[02:23] <igna_> Hello everybody!  My CD tray not works well, so I installed partially Xubuntu 11.04. With GRUB installed, how can I start a USB install of Xubuntu. I mean, is it possible to choose a usb start from the menu start?
[02:24] <KM0201> igna_: did you "install" to a USB, or did you just create a live USB, so you can partition your hard drive?... either way, if your machine is capable of booting USB, you'll have to set that in your BIOS>
[02:28] <igna_> No, this is a Pentium 3 and in my BIOS I cant choose to boot from USB directly. So I am trying to read the USB . It contains an start up Xubuntu, not just the ISO image
[02:28] <igna_> Read the USB from the menu of the Grub
[02:42] <Josesordo> hello all
[02:42] <Josesordo> I have a weird problem
[02:47] <zenrox> ask away
[02:48] <KM0201> igna_: if you can't boot USB, i'm not sure how you expect to boot it if you installed to it?.. or is something not coming through in the translation?
[02:49] <KM0201> igna_: if you can't boot a USB, your best bet is to burn the ISO to a CD, boot the cd, partition hard drive, install.
[02:51] <Josesordo> I cant delete a files.. even with "sudo rm --force" .. =(
[02:52] <Josesordo> is a Pendrive 2GB.. fat16 ..
[02:53] <KM0201> Josesordo: wel, first, use that sudo rm command sparingly and carefully.... are you sure the path was right to the drive/file?
[02:54] <Josesordo> yeah.. I used it well.. but this pendrive is cursed.. lol
[02:54] <Josesordo> I cant format it with gparted.. lol
[02:57] <KM0201> hmm
[02:57] <KM0201> i'm gonna go out on a limb, and say you probably don't have permission to do anything to that drive.
[02:57] <Josesordo> o_O
[02:57] <KM0201> try this.
[02:57] <KM0201> (this is very very dirty, just so you know)
[02:58] <KM0201> plug in drive
[02:58] <Josesordo> plugged
[02:58] <Josesordo> in properties.. says I have permission to read and write.. o_O
[02:59] <KM0201> hmm
[02:59] <KM0201> obviously you don't.
[02:59] <KM0201> are the files "padlocked"?
[02:59] <KM0201> when you open the drive.
[03:01] <Josesordo> look --> http://bit.ly/m30LrY
[03:05] <igna_> KMB201: The hard disk is partitioned. It contains W2000 and Xubuntu partially, or not well  installed. The problem is that, in the middle of the installation, the tray opens randomly and the installation crash.
[03:05] <KM0201> Josesordo: so there's your problem, ou gotta fix that
[03:06] <KM0201> igna_: hmm, that is strange
[03:06] <KM0201> Josesordo: do this (and this is very dirty, just so you know)
[03:06] <KM0201> plug drive in, let it mount..
[03:06] <igna_> KMB201: Its a motherboard bug, or fail. It happens in windows too
[03:06] <KM0201> open a terminal   gksudo thunar
[03:06] <KM0201> after the "root thunar" opens.
[03:07] <KM0201> go to /media    and find your thumb drive
[03:07] <KM0201> right click it, choose properties, then permissions
[03:07] <KM0201> then change the permissions on the drive,
[03:07] <KM0201> then click close.
[03:07] <KM0201> then unplug drive, and plug back in
[03:08] <Josesordo> oh... lets see
[03:10] <Josesordo> (gksudo:15091): Gtk-WARNING **: Unable to locate theme engine in module_path: "ubuntulooks"
[03:10] <Josesordo> Failed to open "(unreachable)/"
[03:19] <igna__> KM0201: I am at the permission tab, What I have to change?
[03:21] <igna__> Group, Access Group, Others?
[03:24] <KM0201> igna__: that wasn't directed to you... i'm not sure what your prob is
[03:25] <KM0201> Josesordo: sorry, gksudo always gives gtk warnings, but it should still open thunar
[03:26] <Josesordo> KM0201, yeah..but still no open.. give that error..
[03:26] <KM0201> Josesordo: did you try putting a path in there?.. just put gksudo thunar
[03:27] <KM0201> then use the GUI to navigate (filesystem/media/whatever your usb is)
[03:28] <igna__> is /media/PENDRIVE
[03:28] <Josesordo> mm.. I delete it better with thunar?..or only change permission?
[03:30] <Josesordo> KM0201, delete with thunar or only change permission?
[03:30] <KM0201> Josesordo: just change the permissions
[03:31] <KM0201> make sure you you give yourself read/write also.
[03:31] <KM0201> igna__: i have no idea what your problem is... so if you're following my instructions, do so at your own peril, i made clear i was talking to Josesordo
[03:32] <Josesordo> WTF
[03:33] <Josesordo> I changed the permission.. then I tried to delete it permantly ..and when I press refresh..the file still there.. Damn
[03:33] <igna__> Ok, thanks anyway
[03:33] <KM0201> Josesordo: you don't need to delete it permanently
[03:34] <KM0201> Josesordo: change the permissions so that "access: read and write"   "group"  your username.. " and put the last "access" to read and write also... others.. you can leave at none, or change that to whatever grants others access
[03:36] <Josesordo> KM0201, I tried that..but it still in None or Read only =( .. it change by himself when I try to change it.. lol
[03:37] <KM0201> Josesordo: hmm, i dunno, you're doing something wrong
[03:37] <KM0201> that should've handled it
[03:42] <Josesordo> KM0201, well...I guess I will need to tell to the owner.. "buy a another pendrive" .. haha
[03:45] <KM0201> Josesordo: really shouldn't be necessary
[03:45] <KM0201> do you have a windows machine you can boot it under?
[03:46] <Josesordo> in windows..says its a virus..I cant format the pendrive..
[03:46] <KM0201> ridiculous... wonder if you could do it from a live cd?
[03:46] <Josesordo> seems like this pendrive is blocked.. Damn Maxell .. lol
[03:47] <KM0201> naa, ther's something up.
[03:47] <Josesordo> ok..lets begin..
[03:47] <Josesordo> is a fat16 pendrive
[03:48] <Josesordo> with 1 file and a folder I cant delete.. well, when I try.. seems like was deleted..but when I refresh..they appear again
[03:48] <Josesordo> I tried with sudo rm --force ..nothing
[03:48] <Josesordo> I tried to format it with gparted..and nothing
[03:48] <Josesordo> thunar... nothing..
[03:49] <KM0201> Josesordo: dunno, i've had tha tproblem lots of times, and gksudo thunar, and setting the permissions, always fixing it
[05:08] <KM0201> bin_bash: which macbook do you have again?
[05:08] <bin_bash> MacBook Pro 13" 8,1
[05:08] <KM0201> ok
[05:09] <KM0201> someone in #ubuntu having probs w/ an 8.2 (that must be evennewer than yours)
[05:09] <bin_bash> no that's the 15"
[05:10] <KM0201> oh.
[05:10] <bin_bash> i dont want to venture there
[05:10] <bin_bash> tell then to come here or PM me
[05:10] <KM0201> lol, why not?
[05:10] <KM0201> oh, here he is.
[05:10] <KM0201> lol
[05:10] <bin_bash> because thjat channel is a clusterfuck
[05:10] <KM0201> lol
[05:10] <KM0201> well, you can tell him all about how awesome macs are..lol
[05:11] <bin_bash> ha
[05:11] <bin_bash> Okay, davel_ What's your problem, broski
[05:11] <KM0201> i think he's getting that same boot problem you did... where you had to make the USB, and the CD.. could be wrong though.
[05:11] <davel_> I boot, and get: initramfs: unable to find a medium containing a live filesystem
[05:12] <bin_bash> Yeah you have to use a CD and USB simultaneously
[05:12] <KM0201> did AIM just go down for anyone else?
[05:12] <bin_bash> no
[05:12] <KM0201> hmm
[05:13] <davel_> bin_bash: howdy. I hear you know how to get 10.10 to boot on a macbook pro 8,2?
[05:13] <bin_bash> I just told you
 Yeah you have to use a CD and USB simultaneou
[05:13] <KM0201> davel_: she just told you want to do..lol
[05:13] <davel_> tried that. does the usb have to be empty?
[05:15] <KM0201> davel_: i think you have to unpack the ISO onto the USB, then burn the ISO to the cd.. at least i recall her using that procedure
[05:16] <bin_bash> oh my god
[05:16] <davel_> huh?
[05:17] <KM0201> davel_: why don't you try ubuntu 11.04 (for starters)...?
[05:17] <davel_> need 10.10
[05:17] <KM0201> why?
[05:18] <bin_bash> http://www.ubuntu.com/download/ubuntu/download
[05:18] <davel_> meego sdk qemu emulator only works fast on 10.10
[05:18] <KM0201> lol
[05:18] <bin_bash> now i trust you can figure it out from there
[05:18] <KM0201> creating the USB, is just to big a PITA w/ a mac
[05:19] <davel_> you are correct (if I wanted 10.4) are you saying 10.4 will boot on a macbookpro8,2?
[05:19] <KM0201> there is no 10.4
[05:19] <bin_bash> KM0201: Can you please pass me that glock?
[05:19] <KM0201> lol
[05:20] <bin_bash> No
[05:20] <bin_bash> You cannot use 10.4
[05:20] <bin_bash> Because A)
[05:20] <bin_bash> 10.4 doesn't exist
[05:20] <bin_bash> and B) 10.04 doesn't run on the new MBPs
[05:21] <davel_> good thing I don't want 10.4 OR 11.4  If 10.10 doesn't work I'll go elsewhere
[05:21] <bin_bash> lol where are you going to go?
[05:21] <KM0201> davel_: 10.4 and 11.4 don't exist, so it is a good thing you don't want them.
[05:21] <bin_bash> ^
[05:22] <KM0201> davel_: i would try debian... they are super friendly and helpful in #debian
[05:22] <bin_bash> AHAHAHAHA
[05:22] <bin_bash> omg
[05:22] <bin_bash> You so troll
[05:22] <davel_> why do you say 10.4 and 11.4 don'e exist? Is it because I didn't type 11.04 and 10.04?
[05:22] <bin_bash> Now, now, KM0201. It's not nice to troll newbies.
[05:22] <KM0201> i think honestly, just that macbook(that particular one) is so freaking new, its just tough to get working.
[05:23] <KM0201> davel_: that would be correct.. there's a difference between .4 and .04
[05:23] <davel_> you all have been very helpful
[05:23] <davel_> night.
[05:24] <KM0201> davel_: if you google, you'll find several threads directing you what to do
[05:24] <bin_bash> >inb4 he goes to #debian and get confused
[05:24] <KM0201> i mean.. it's gonna be an uphill battle... hate to tell you.
[05:24] <KM0201> even as l33t as bin_bash is, she still ahs probs
[05:24] <bin_bash> LOL
[05:24] <davel_> so nobody has installed 10.10 on the latest macbook? I coiuldn't find anything on google.
[05:24] <bin_bash> dude
[05:24] <bin_bash> DUDE
[05:25] <KM0201> ..
[05:25] <bin_bash> It's on like THE FRONT PAGE of the ubuntu forums
[05:25] <bin_bash> Go to the apple page
[05:25] <bin_bash> and it's like in the top 5
[05:25] <davel_> will do. You are so kind to newbies!
[05:25] <KM0201> davel_: just for the record, i got a ton of hits on it.
[05:26] <davel_> maybe past the url here?
[05:26] <davel_> paste
[05:27] <bin_bash> http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=328
[05:27] <davel_> Thanks!
[05:27] <KM0201> http://lmgtfy.com/?q=ubuntu+10.10+macbook+pro+8.2&l=1
[05:27] <bin_bash> ^
[05:28] <Soupermanito> sometimes i wish there where a lmfgtfy
[05:28] <lighta> hi guys, how can I add libpcap on java librairie under linux ?
[05:28] <KM0201> huh?
[05:28] <KM0201> Soupermanito: what do you mean
[05:28] <Soupermanito> you know the f for effing
[05:28] <KM0201> ohhhhh.
[05:28] <KM0201> lol
[05:28] <KM0201> man, you're abrasive.
[05:29] <bin_bash> Soupermanito: A man after my own heart.
[05:29] <Soupermanito> or is too late and i have been reading articles about wikipedia versus standard encyclopedias for too long...
[05:29] <bin_bash> I WISH THERE WAS LMFGTFYYWF
[05:29] <bin_bash> If you want to know what trhat means, you can PM me
[05:32] <KM0201> i notice ubuntu+1 is now open on the forum
[05:32] <Soupermanito> pretty obvious that it means; Let Me Google, Friend, That For You, You Will Flatter
[05:32] <bin_bash> totallt.
[05:33] <Soupermanito> :D GODS MONGOLIAN SONGS ARE AWESOME
[05:33] <Soupermanito> totally ot, i know
[05:33] <bin_bash> I'm watching The Social Network
[05:33] <Soupermanito> D: GOOD GODS
[05:33] <bin_bash> And Mark ZUckerberg is a total douche
[05:34] <Soupermanito> >ZUCK
[05:34] <KM0201> the Social network? what is that
[05:34] <KM0201> oh, he made faceboook
[05:34] <KM0201> well, he's a gazillionaire now.
[05:34] <bin_bash> It's the movie about that facebook fgt
[05:34] <bin_bash> I plan on being a gazillionaire someday
[05:34] <KM0201> bin_bash: i take it you don't use facebook?..lol ( i don't either)
[05:34] <Soupermanito> its a movie someone wrote about facebook, but not knowing shit about anything so they made half of the movie up
[05:34] <bin_bash> I use facebook
[05:34] <bin_bash> I have at least 2 accounts
[05:35] <Soupermanito> if you think the movie even resambles half of something similar to the actual story, i have bad news for you
[05:35] <KM0201> hat i don't understnad
[05:35] <KM0201> is how he got so freaking rich off facebook?...
[05:35] <KM0201> he doesn't charge anything to use it.
[05:36] <KM0201> all it is is mindless drivel posted by people.
[05:36] <KM0201> i don't use it, but what little i have seen it, it doesn't seem to have lots of ads
[05:36] <bin_bash> he sells personal information
[05:36] <KM0201> lol
[05:36] <Soupermanito> except there is lots of people using it, and people will pay lots of money to put ads there, and most of the time people dont even notice they are moving ads around
[05:37] <KM0201> Soupermanito: are there ads on facebook? i've never seen them, but honestly, i've probably only been there a total of 5x
[05:37] <bin_bash> they're partnered with gogole as well
[05:38] <KM0201> hmm
[05:38] <Soupermanito> okay people, lets get back on the topic of helping people whit xubuntu and leave the chipchat to #xubuntu-offtopic
[05:38] <bin_bash> right.
[05:38] <bin_bash> I'm expecting my system to freeze/crash at any moment
[05:38] <KM0201> lol
[05:39] <bin_bash> I'm getting another computer sometime next week
[05:39] <Soupermanito> talking about freezes i purged half the stuff lubuntu installed on me XD
[05:39] <bin_bash> and i'm installing arch
[05:39] <bin_bash> And if I like it, then I'm installing it on this machine
[05:39] <KM0201> uh oh
[05:39] <KM0201> bin_bash: won't be hanging out w/ us anymore
[05:39] <KM0201> lol
[05:40] <bin_bash> :P
[05:40] <bin_bash> Nah. I'll still hang out with you silly fgts and help with xubuntu
[05:40] <bin_bash> i'm stll going to use xfce4
[05:40] <KM0201> oh ok...lol
[05:41] <bin_bash> Yah I like xfce a lot
[05:41] <bin_bash> friend of mine uses arch with afce
[06:38] <inaety> where can i find this wallpaper http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/65/Xubuntujaunty-GDM.png
[06:59] <bin_bash> google
[07:08] <inaety> no lcj
[07:08] <inaety> luck*
[07:15] <istok> inaety, it may be in /usr/share/xfce4/backdrops
[07:17] <inaety> istok, its not.  the picture must be too old
[07:17] <istok> :\
[07:17] <istok> that was the only place i could think of, sorry
[07:17] <Unit193> inaety: All I can find are the GDM snapshots...
[07:19] <Seqis> another option would be to try to download whatever xubuntu version was out around the time of that 2009 post.. and install it in a VM to get the wallpaper
[07:19] <inaety> Unit193, yeah that's what i kept finding
[07:19] <inaety> Seqis, that seems like a lot of trouble to find an old wallpaper haha
[07:20] <Seqis> your question implies a lot of work anyway.
[07:20] <Sysi> i found that, wait a sec i'll upload
[07:20] <Seqis> ..I'm also willing to bet that the time you've spent on it so far, may make it worth the effort.
[07:21] <inaety> Seqis, yeah haha
[07:21] <inaety> surprisingly hard
[07:21] <inaety> Sysi, really? where?
[07:21] <Seqis> wormhole, created with chronometric particles
[07:22] <Sysi> https://launchpad.net/~gnome-colors-packagers/+archive/ppa/+files/xubuntu-gdm-theme_0.28%7Eppa1_all.deb
[07:22] <inaety> Sysi, wow nice find
[07:22] <Sysi> open that with archive manager, you should find it after little browsing
[07:23] <inaety> Sysi, got it
[07:23] <inaety> is there any way I could make my GDM look like that too?
[07:23] <inaety> that GDM is the best i've seen
[07:24] <Sysi> launchpad page for xubuntu artwork, at the bottom link for nonsupported stuff
[07:24] <Sysi> i don't really know about gdm theming.. i never login manually
[07:24] <Seqis> inaety, best in terms of your preference for a graphical backdrop?
[07:25] <Sysi> the one in 11.04 is nice too
[07:25] <inaety> Seqis, nah http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/65/Xubuntujaunty-GDM.png the placement of the login area and top row bar
[07:25] <Seqis> sysi you choose for it to remember your login credentials?
[07:25] <inaety> looks really nice
[07:26] <inaety> Sysi, not on 11.04 :( having trouble updating
[07:26] <Seqis> I'm willing to bet Xubuntu downloads/usage goes up 40% from the Unity thing/gnome 3
[07:27] <Sysi> i really liked gnome3, it just isn't quite made for dualscreen
[07:29] <Unit193> X/K/L might all get a pickup
[07:29] <Seqis> I think less K
[07:29] <Sysi> i'll maybe go for gnome3 on this netbook
[07:29] <Seqis> anyone using gnome will be less likely to switch to gnome methinks
[07:30] <Seqis> err kde
[07:30] <Sysi> if you like some kind of setup, you can have it with kde
[07:30] <Unit193> A guy in the LoCo posted pics of Gnome3, it's not bad...
[07:30] <Sysi> thing that matters if you have enough passion to set it up
[07:31] <Seqis> I removed the bottom panel in xfce 4.8 and put the application button panel, and workspace switcher at the bottom ala Gnome 2.x ... it looks almost like i: yay.
[07:31] <Seqis> I tried it .. gnome3 is not something I'll try again for some time...
[07:31] <Sysi> gnome3 added things that i hated gnome2 for lacking
[07:32] <Seqis> (my PC != oversized smartphone)
[07:32] <Sysi> hotkey setup mostly
[07:32] <inaety> how do i remove a ppa install of 4.8 on 10.10 and install 11.04?
[07:32] <Unit193> Last I had Gnome was Ubuntu 6.10 :/
[07:32] <Unit193> inaety: I would say ppa-purge
[07:33] <inaety> Unit193, im not sure how to find the correct parameters
[07:34] <bazhang> !info ppa-purge
[07:34] <bazhang> also in 10.10
[07:34] <inaety> bazhang, im not sure how to designate which ppa it is
[07:35] <bazhang> inaety, you want to version upgrade? all PPA are disabled in that event
[07:35] <inaety> bazhang, it throws me an error because xfce 4.8 is installed
[07:35] <inaety> im guessing i need to revert?
[07:35] <bazhang> inaety, did you install the package?
[07:36] <inaety> yeah
[07:36] <inaety> using some ppa repository i found online
[07:36] <bazhang> no help file? or man page?
[07:36] <bazhang> no, for ppa-purge
[07:36] <inaety> ohhh
[07:36] <bazhang> sudo apt-get install ppa-purge
[07:38] <inaety> bazhang, yeah i see it
[07:38] <inaety> im trying to find which ppa server i used
[07:38] <inaety> cause it was a long time ago
[07:38] <Unit193> ls /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
[07:39] <bazhang> inaety, and you tried running sudo ppa-purge ? or check for arguments with it?
[07:40] <inaety> Unit193, nice found it. it gave me koshi-xfce-4_8-maverick.list
[07:40] <inaety> so what would the argument be
[07:40] <inaety> sudo ppa-purge -p koshi-xfce-4_8-maverick.list ?
[07:43] <Unit193> inaety: cat /etc/apt/sources.list.d/koshi-xfce-4_8-maverick.list ?
[07:44] <Unit193> Welcome back, charlie-tca
[07:45] <inaety> Unit193, cat /etc/apt/sources.list.d/koshi-xfce-4_8-maverick.list
[07:45] <inaety> Unit193, still cant get the correct parameter
[07:45] <inaety> i think ive tried everything
[07:46] <Unit193> What is the line?
[07:46] <Sysi> you *could* just remove all xfce-stuff (packages listed on the webpage of ppa) from virtual console and then remove the ppa
[07:47] <inaety> Unit193, what line?
[07:47] <inaety> Sysi, im afraid of breaking the system
[07:48] <inaety> Sysi, can't do that, its my only computer up at college
[07:48] <bazhang> inaety, thats hardly likely
[07:48] <Sysi> how could it break on that
[07:48] <Sysi> upgrading is greater risk
[07:49] <inaety> i don't know, i've just always had trouble with ubuntu when i have a different version desktop environment
[07:50] <bazhang> inaety, adding PPA is *way* more risky
[07:50] <inaety> bazhang, haha
[07:51] <bazhang> inaety, not kidding.
[07:51] <inaety> bazhang, trying to be safe now
[07:51] <bazhang> if thats your only system steer clear of all PPA
[07:52] <inaety> yeah
[07:52] <inaety> i just realized that i have the correct ppa-purge command but the packages list had been commented out in sources.list.d
[07:52] <bazhang> I only use a single one (handbrake) and thats from a very trusted source
[07:53] <inaety> thus ppa-purge is saying it cant find any packages
[07:53] <inaety> should i uncomment those? that sounds wrong
[08:08] <inaety> this is what i get when i try to do the dist upgrade
[08:08] <inaety> http://pastebin.com/0QQ9TJYd
[08:08] <inaety> its a log printed out by the instaler
[08:13] <Sysi> you need to remove either ubuntu-desktop or xubuntu-desktop, not entire desktop but other of those metapackages
[08:14] <inaety> just apt-get remove ubuntu-desktop ?
[08:14] <Sysi> should work
[08:14] <Sysi> how were you doing the update, do-release-upgrade?
[08:15] <inaety> just the notification icon :)
[08:15] <inaety> removed it
[08:15] <inaety> should i do a command line install
[08:15] <Sysi> shouldn't matter
[08:16] <inaety> k im doing GUI
[08:16] <inaety> why does removing the ubuntu-desktop package not remove the whole ubuntu-desktop?
[08:16] <inaety> those meta packages always confuse me
[08:16] <bazhang> !metapackage
[08:17] <inaety> ah
[08:17] <Sysi> because apt-get isn't good enough to remove all dependencies
[08:17] <Sysi> aptitude sometimes isn't either
[08:19] <inaety> aptitude has failed for me several times
[08:20] <inaety> bazhang, why is yigal being such a dick
[08:21] <Sysi> language please
[08:21] <Sysi> (yigal?)
[08:21] <bazhang> lets move on
[08:21] <inaety> Sysi, removing ubuntu-desktop worked
[08:21] <inaety> Sysi, over in #ubuntu
[08:21] <Sysi> ah
[08:23] <inaety> well off to bed. thanks for the help guys
[11:51] <exs> hi
[11:51] <exs> i have an important question. my clipboard doesnt function in xfce4.8. any ideas?
[12:15] <TheSheep> exs: try using clipboard manager
[12:15] <TheSheep> exs: and see if it's not getting copied or not getting pasted
[12:30] <exs> TheSheep: ivh installed the package. need to restart xsystem?
[12:30] <TheSheep> no
[12:30] <TheSheep> just run it
[12:31] <exs> how
[12:31] <TheSheep> or add it to the panel, depending what you installed
[12:32] <exs> dont find it
[12:33] <TheSheep> what did you install?
[14:26] <rtdp> i just install xface desktop over previously installed ubuntu desktop...
[14:27] <bazhang> xfce?
[14:27] <rtdp> I want to configure two monitors, but doesn't allowing me open ATI drivers module for it.
[14:27] <bazhang> using arandr?
[14:28] <rtdp> I have ATI graphics card, and trying have dule monitor conf for same
[15:42] <path_> having an issue trying to do-release-upgrade with the xubuntu-desktop package..  http://paste.ubuntu.com/607012/
[15:43] <path_> the machine was originally ubuntu-desktop, but i added xubuntu-desktop later.  is this a known issue?
[15:43] <beefalo> hey guys can u tell me where i can leave feedback&suggestions ?
[15:44] <path_> i saw http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=10736791&postcount=2 but that doesn't seem to be the optimal way to upgrade to me
[16:06] <path_> FWIW..  it was because i had ubuntu-desktop and xubuntu-desktop packages installed.  got a clue from http://ircanswers.com/xubuntu/620500/successfully-upgraded-maverick-xubuntu-desktop-upgrade
[16:06] <path_> after removing ubuntu-desktop, the upgrade started
[16:55] <Soupermanito> so im installing libreoffice gtk :D hope it works nicely
[17:18] <Soupermanito> :P have the engine but not the editors LOL
[17:53] <xubuntu346> Hi
[17:56] <KM0201> Soupermanito: i don't see any reason it wouldn't work.. i installed it on xfce and it seemed fine, and i've also got it on lxde.. no probs
[17:57] <Soupermanito> :D i forgot to install the libreoffice package directly, so i only had the first menu and all the options where grayed out, so i installed it and now it works
[17:57] <Soupermanito> sadly is not gtk enough
[18:00] <KM0201> lol
[18:00] <KM0201> "not gtk enough"?
[18:12] <Soupermanito> i dont know it doesnt look "correct" but that might be just me
[18:30] <granger_> the menus under the titlebar are not showing since updating to 11.04.
[18:30] <granger_> Is there a way to get them back?
[18:31] <Soupermanito> run >xfwm4
[18:32] <nillerz> Hey
[18:33] <Soupermanito> :) yes?
[18:34] <nillerz> My menus on the top of a window are gone
[18:34] <nillerz> the file/edit/etc menus
[18:34] <Soupermanito> told you, run >xfwm4
[18:35] <nillerz> window manager is already running
[18:35] <nillerz> I can manage windows fine, the window manager is running, it's just not showing the file/edit/settings/whatever menu underneath the title bar
[18:35] <TheSheep> nillerz: did you install something weird, like a global menu?
[18:36] <Soupermanito> thats a windows manager problem, did you installed compiz? it takes away windows borders sometimes
[18:36] <TheSheep> Soupermanito: I think he has the borders, just not the menu
[18:36] <nillerz> TheSheep, no, not that I know of.
[18:36] <nillerz> I am not running compiz, I do not believe, let me check
[18:36] <TheSheep> nillerz: perhaps a screenshot would help
[18:37] <Soupermanito> !pastebin
[18:38] <nillerz> http://imgur.com/FsHHi
[18:38] <nillerz> see? No menu under the title bar
[18:39] <TheSheep> nillerz: did you try a different gtk theme?
[18:40] <Soupermanito> nillerz, while on xchat press F9
[18:40] <nillerz> I only have the default ones but yeah, I tried a few of them. Should I try them all?
[18:40] <nillerz> what does it do?
[18:40] <Soupermanito> takes the menu bar on and off
[18:41] <nillerz> not for me it doesn't, it makes a horizontal black line, 1px by 1440 px, across the screen where the menu bar should be
[18:42] <nillerz> went through all GTK themes and none makea  menu bar appear
[18:42] <TheSheep> nillerz: do you have a .gtkrc-2.0 in your ~?
[18:43] <Soupermanito> i see. :( i have no idea, if it where me i would try to create a new user and see if it helps
[18:45] <nillerz> according to #xfce it's an Ubuntu thing
[18:45] <nillerz> because apparently Ubuntu knows how I like my GUI better than I do
[18:45] <nillerz> and they put that in the panel, like a dock
[18:45] <nillerz> stupid
[18:45] <TheSheep> that's the global menu, but you said you didn't install it
[18:46] <TheSheep> and it's not installed by default
[18:47] <Soupermanito> also your screenshot doesnt show said feature
[18:47] <TheSheep> Soupermanito: because it's a gnome panel applet, not xfce
[18:47] <Soupermanito> yep
[18:47] <Soupermanito> that was my point
[18:48] <TheSheep> Soupermanito: it's not added automatically, you have to add it yourself
[18:48] <TheSheep> Soupermanito: so if he got it installed somehow by accident, it wouldn't be there
[18:49] <Soupermanito> ... why are you arguing whit me? i said you are right
[18:49] <TheSheep> Soupermanito: I'm thinking aloud
[18:49] <Soupermanito> oh :D
[18:50] <TheSheep> nillerz: is that an xubuntu-only install, or do you also have ubuntu installed?
[19:19] <Soupermanito> i have a problem whit ispell, its not using utf 8 to display special characters, it shows broken symbols instead of proper symbols, i had to unistall it :(
[19:58] <nillerz> I think it's a xubuntu install
[20:03] <Soupermanito> nillerz, rename your .gtkrc-2.0 folder to another thing and restart xfce
[20:04] <Soupermanito> :P i meant file
[20:05] <nillerz> where?
[20:06] <Soupermanito> on /home/you/.gtkrc-2.0
[20:06] <Soupermanito> its a hidden file
[20:06] <Soupermanito> thus the .
[20:24] <nillerz> its not there
[20:25] <nillerz> I know its a hidden file, its still not there
[20:35] <mister_my> I've been having a problem with xubuntu where like, the screen locks randomly, and I am not able to alt tab or close any windows or change focus from wherever the focus was at the time
[20:47] <TheSheep> mister_my: locks -- in the sense that it asks you for password to unlock it?
[20:55] <mister_my> TheSheep, no, I mean more like freezes
[21:06] <TheSheep> mister_my: but the application on which you have focus works?
[21:07] <mister_my> well for example, the last time this happened I was using xchat, and the spot where I am typing had focus (blinking cursor)
[21:07] <TheSheep> mister_my: can you switch to text mode with alt+ctrl+f1 and back with alt+ctrl+f7/8 ?
[21:08] <mister_my> well it isn't happening right now - what will that do?
[21:08] <TheSheep> (I mean when that happens)
[21:08] <TheSheep> it will go to the text mode console, and then back to XWindows
[21:08] <mister_my> I will try that next time
[21:09] <mister_my> I don't know if I am hitting some kind of stray key press or what
[21:09] <TheSheep> also, in the text console you can then check some things
[21:09] <TheSheep> for example, typing 'top' will show you a list of processes, sorted by their cpu use
[21:10] <TheSheep> you migth also check 'dmesg' which displays kernel messages, and look into the file '.xsessionerrors'
[21:10] <TheSheep> in your home directory
[21:16] <mister_my> TheSheep, thanks
[21:17] <TheSheep> you can also check /var/log/Xorg.*.log
[23:14] <xubuntu709> ciao
[23:14] <Soupermanito> ciao
[23:15] <Soupermanito> wait you using ciao for hello or ciao for goodby
[23:15] <xubuntu709> ciao for hello
[23:16] <xubuntu709> i had installed xubuntu
[23:16] <Soupermanito> :D Welcome
[23:17] <Soupermanito> how you liking it?
[23:22] <Unit193> That well, eh?
[23:25] <Soupermanito> question, HOW DO I DISABLE DRAG AND DROPING ON TOTEM?! thats really annoying