[00:00] <James147> but you will have to reinstall any packages and reconfigure system wide changes
[00:00] <Belial> James147: Not at all, the biggest driver for the upgrade is to get a newer kernel to workaround a touchpad issue. I'm more than able to upgrade it, but the machines only used off on client sites, so keep it stock
[00:00] <James147> but will give you a cleaner install
[00:00] <Belial> my /home is backed up nightly on and offsite, so no problem there :) Sounds liek the path of least resistence will be a clean install and restoring the data
[00:01] <Belial> Thanks for the advice
[00:01] <James147> Belial: you might not even have to restore the data if you make sure you dont format the partiion with /home on :0
[00:02] <Belial> James147: SSD, small disk, one partition. Saves any profanity when it fills :)
[00:03] <Cammy> Sorry for the late reply, I was having a shower
[00:03] <orys_> Belial: I have my install not customized at all and it crashed
[00:03] <orys_> go for starting from scratch ;-)
[00:03] <Cammy> Thinkerer68, of course you can run Amiga OS on an A500, that is the native OS it comes with. You can replace the Kickstart ROM with a later one to run the latest 68k version of the OS too
[00:04] <Cammy> Aros is the Open Source Amiga OS
[00:04] <Cammy> It was developed on x86 but has been ported to PPC, ARM and 68k now too
[00:04] <Belial> Got to say, KDE 4 has come on a good bit in the polish dept. since I first seen it
[00:05] <orys_> belial: you mean translations?
[00:05] <Belial> No, the well rounded feel, sorry lol
[00:05] <orys_> :)
[00:05] <James147> Belial: Thats generally what happens when software matures :)
[00:06] <ybit> so...
[00:06] <melkor> Okay, where are the power settings?
[00:06] <James147> ybit: ...
[00:06] <James147> melkor: system settings > power managment?
[00:06] <Belial> Not that... ahem.. I was a disbeliver. Anyway, I'm late to this KDE party, so off to the land of progress bars I go, Thanks again
[00:07] <melkor> James147: don't see it, which section is it.
[00:07] <James147> System settings > (Hardware >) Power managment
[00:07] <melkor> James147: found it using the search
[00:07] <orys_> James147:  you got any idea where pulseaudio saves its settings?
[00:08] <orys_> As I can't get over my double card problem.
[00:08] <James147> orys_: ~/.pulse
[00:08] <James147> (at least I think thats it :) )
[00:09] <melkor> I have never met anybody who wants to 'hibernate' when the laptop lid closes.
[00:10] <orys_> James: do you think if I just delete device manager tdb it will help?
[00:12] <James147> orys_: dont know
[00:13] <James147> melkor: With kde able to restore the state of most programs I dont know why anyone needs to hybernate :)
[00:14] <melkor> James147: I could understand wanting to hibernate, but when you close the laptop lid?  I'm new the KDE 4, I used kde back on ubuntu 6.04 for awhile and now I want to try it out a bit.
[00:15] <James147> melkor: well, once you have the famework for sleeping on lid close hibernate isnt hard to add on... (and who knows, someone might want it)
[00:16] <melkor> I always disable that first thing, lid closes = do nothing.  It is easy enough to do it on your own.  Oh, how do I shutdown w/out logging out first?
[00:17] <James147> melkor: click the shutdown button?
[00:17] <James147> melkor: its not on hibernate by default on lib close, should be on sleep on lib close (which is far more useful)
[00:19] <melkor> James147: Mine has a 'leave' button, with logout lock sleep hibernate in the menu
[00:19] <James147> melkor: you loged in from kdm?
[00:19] <melkor> James147: gdm
[00:20] <James147> melkor: hmm, think kde has some issues with gdm (or gdm has issues with kdm)
[00:20] <melkor> James147: I thought it was an option to leave it off of the menu, so that people don't inadvertantly shutdown.
[00:20] <James147> ^^ kdm (and gdm for gnome) is used to run the shutdown commands as it is run by root where as the session is run by your user (which dosnt have the premissions to shutdown)
[00:21] <James147> kde removes the shutdown options when it detects it cant shut down (ie when kdm isnt running... or some other compatable login manager)
[00:22] <melkor> so I actually have to run shutdown, or log out first.
[00:22] <James147> melkor: or use kdm
[00:23] <melkor> Me and kde are on a trial period.  I like gnome, and I had some issues last time I tried to switch.
[00:25] <melkor> How do I switch sound output device?
[00:26] <James147> system settings > multimedia > phonon
[00:30] <orys_> melkor, tell me if it saves your setting in your case
[00:30] <orys_> as in mine - not ;-)
[00:30] <melkor> No go, I set the priorities but it doesn't switch to the hdmi.
[00:31] <James147> melkor: for all catigories?
[00:31] <orys_> James147: in my case, only in one chosen now
[00:31] <orys_> so I don't have system sounds, or communicator sounds, as it pushes them through non existent
[00:31] <melkor> James147: yes, and the 'test' function works fine.
[00:32] <orys_> but i got web browser or rhythmbox sounds...
[00:35] <melkor> Ill try logging out.
[00:37] <chrisql> Hi, we've got a problem with kubuntu 11.04: changing global keyboard shortcuts won't stick. Just wondering if it is a known and common issue... I found hardly anything through Google.
[00:38] <orys_> hm
[00:39] <orys_> I think that sticking some settings might be a common issue in general...
[00:40] <chrisql> I see... is this a fairly random variety of settings, or some in particular?
[00:40] <melkor> yeah no go.  It will play sounds out of my hdmi using test, but it won't put anything else out there.
[00:41] <James147> chrisql: hmm, see what happens if you try it on a new user
[00:42] <chrisql> Hm, thing is, this is a new user. It's a fresh install.
[00:43] <chrisql> Still, I'll try that anyway tomorrow. Too late in the evening now, I'm just hunting for solutions in my spare time here. :)
[00:44] <chrisql> The only thing that I think might be different is that I made a custom shortcut for something before changing the global one.
[00:45] <chrisql> ... come to think of it, that was probably a really dumb idea... the custom shortcut will almost certainly be a standard one.
[00:46] <orys_> melkor: so welcome in the club ;-)
[00:49] <melkor> wow, amorak won't play mp3's
[00:49] <James147> melkor: doy ou have the codecs installed?
[00:49] <melkor> I did
[00:50] <melkor> In gnome
[00:50] <James147> then it should
[00:50] <melkor> I suppose I was using gstreamer for those.
[00:50] <uabn93> does anyone know the minimum requirements for kde off the top of their head?
[00:50] <James147> melkor: kde should be using gstreamer in 11.04
[00:51] <James147> uabn93: not sure there are any ^^ since you can use it in so many different ways
[00:51] <James147> uabn93: what are you trying to run it on?
[00:52] <melkor> uabn93: its pretty resource intensive.
[00:53] <melkor> James147: I can play an ogg file, and it comes out of the hdmi out.  But flash does not.
[00:53]  * James147 grumbles at flash
[00:53] <melkor> Pretty neat I've never had this happen before, I've got output from multiple audio devices.
[00:53] <James147> melkor: and it depends on what your using, desktop effects and indexing are, but other parts of kde arnt
[00:54] <uabn93> an old amd athlon 3000+, 1GB ram. I tried running it a week ago without a graphics card because i didnt have one, but i just got an nvidia 6200 today and was hoping it would work now.
[00:54] <xboxowns> Hey guys
[00:54] <xboxowns> I own a kubundu
[00:54] <James147> uabn93: that should be enough to run it
[00:54] <orys_> damn. I thought it's free source. And now he owns it :(
[00:54] <James147> uabn93: you may want to turn off desktop effect (or at least the ones you dont want) to help speed things up
[00:54] <chrisql> D'oh.
[00:55] <xboxowns> I want to ask you guys a question, I am right now loving and enjoying the new installation of kubuntu and theme..but what if...for some reason...it reverts to the horrible gnome theme
[00:55] <xboxowns> how do I return back to the original theme of kubundu when it is fresh installed?
[00:55] <James147> orys_: that just means everyone owns it :)
[00:55] <chrisql> Is that really a "what if"? Or is it something that actually happened?
[00:56] <xboxowns> actually happened.
[00:56] <orys_> James147: been there, was born in communist country. It do not works that way ;-)
[00:56] <Fluttershy> xboxowns: did you accidentally log in using GNOME?
[00:56] <xboxowns> no
[00:56] <xboxowns> it crashed with...something your laptop cannot handle this kde theme or some such (which is false) and now I am forced to reinstall the system
[00:57] <xboxowns> to get it back to normal..so how do I avoid this in the future?
[00:57] <James147> xboxowns: gnome and kde are not themes, they are desktop enviroments... you can loginto either (if you have them installed) at the login screen
[00:58] <xboxowns> so how do i fix it?
[00:58] <xboxowns> if it happens again without the reinstalling the entire os
[00:58] <uabn93> James147: Cool. This pc was a gift and now I'm giving it away to my grandmother. I want to do an experiment w/ her and see what her first impressions are of Linux :)
[00:59] <James147> xboxowns: not an easy questions to answer without knowing the source
[00:59] <orys_> James147 Maybe he picked the kubuntu as a default but (hey hey, look there) somehow his settings are not saved and now he starts again in gnome ;-)
[00:59] <uabn93> James147: She has never owned a pc. Never used windows
[00:59] <xboxowns> I HATE GNOME by the way
[00:59] <xboxowns> worst look ON PLANET earth
[00:59] <James147> uabn93: well, you can always install it play with it and see if it runs fast enough for her...
[00:59] <melkor> uabn93: I did that with my mother, it worked well but when I gave her my old laptop and gave her the choise of windows or linux, she chose windows this time.
[00:59] <xboxowns> Anyways I like kubuntu the way it is :D
[00:59] <xboxowns> Time to intall games and stuff
[01:00] <James147> uabn93: also, kde can be costomised allot... i would recomend changing some things that might make it easier for her to use
[01:01] <uabn93> melkor:   :(  ..well i guess it windows isn't too bad. I'm interested in seeing how this goes
[01:01] <melkor> uabn93: It should be fine, but make sure you are there for all of the simple stuff at least one time through.
[01:01] <James147> uabn93: if she hasnt used any computer before then she wont really have as many problems as most people (ie getting use to the different ways things work in the different os)
[01:02] <uabn93> James147: True. I think she'll like it cause it has those big buttons and she always complains about small fonts and stuff when she reads. so kde, i think, is perfect
[01:03] <James147> uabn93: :) and since you can change just about anything in kde you can fine tune it to her needs
[01:03] <uabn93> James147: yup, she has 0% computer experience. lol
[01:04] <uabn93> Well...gotta go. thanks everyone
[01:05] <xboxowns> actually I have one more help I need to ask you guys and I am gone. Is there a program for kubuntu where I can make an image backup of my HD if for some reason my Hd fails or I get the same problem as I mentioned before...i can reimage my drive back to normal?
[01:06] <melkor> well rhythm box still plays mp3s but they don't come out of the hdmi.
[01:06] <James147> xboxowns: rsync is used to backup files (can even do / ) ^^ this is generally used as it saves more space then doing a cmplete disk dump
[01:06] <melkor> damn frankenstein system with gnome + kde
[01:07] <James147> xboxowns: however if you do want to use can use the "dd" command to diskdump a drive to a nother driver (or a file)
[01:07] <James147> melkor: doupt this will help but what if you install kubuntu-restricted-extras
[01:08] <melkor> I don't care for amorak anyways.  I had to use gnome-volume control and I got the hdmi going.
[01:08] <James147> xboxowns: luckybackup is a very nice frountend tool to rsync
[01:09] <melkor> It even gets the flash to work.
[01:09] <orys_> melkor: keep working, I am reading you :-) I tried a lot of ideas, but nothing seemed to work, but you seems to be better in this than me ;-)
[01:09] <melkor> alright one more question before I leave.  Can I get the right click to have an 'open terminal' where it opens Konsole at that location.(similar to  f4 but an actual consol)
[01:10] <orys_> at the moment you seems to have the same problem - rhytmbox and flash gives you sounds, the other not even though the test works well.
[01:10] <James147> melkor: shift+f4
[01:11] <melkor> orys_: amorak played sound ok, but it wouldn't play mp3's.  Everything else seems to use gnome-volume control.
[01:11] <James147> melkor: also rightclick > actions> open terminal here
[01:11] <melkor> James147: I don't have 'actions'
[01:12] <James147> melkor: check the settings
[01:12] <orys_> melkor: I hate amarok, so never tried it.
[01:12] <xboxowns> what i really want is an image of my entire drive, I can burn it on a dvd and on dos..i reimage the drive back again
[01:12] <orys_> i mean, never tried it now, as I hate it for years :D
[01:12] <xboxowns> without the hassle of formatting the drive, reinstalling kubuntu, reinstalling programs etc
[01:12] <melkor> orys_: yeah I don't enjoy it none either.
[01:12] <xboxowns> that is what i want
[01:12]  * James147 assumes melkor means in dolphin
[01:12] <xboxowns> is there something like that i can do?
[01:13] <orys_> melkor: I really liked Xmms, it was looking like old winamp and I found it most ultimate way to listen to music, but now it's not supported (or it's not suppoeted properly)
[01:13] <gennro> http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=clonezilla that is what you are looking for xboxowns
[01:13] <James147> xboxowns: you can use tar to archive / and burn the archive to a disk
[01:13] <melkor> James147: yes, I have a dolphin window open,and I right click, no options for 'actions' or open a terminal, but shift f4 works.
[01:13] <xboxowns> how do I tar to archive and entire drive?
[01:14] <xboxowns> is there a command or something?
[01:14] <xboxowns> does it work when it comes extracting it back and can it be extracted without being on an OS from the first place?
[01:14] <xboxowns> can it be extracted on dos
[01:14] <melkor> Thanks for the help...Ill be back I want to give kde a fair shake.
[01:15] <gennro> xboxowns: http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=clonezilla
[01:16] <James147> xboxowns: generally you would need some sort of livecd... but its a good idea to have a livecd around anyway
[01:17] <xboxowns> THANK YOU
[01:17] <xboxowns> I iwll work on this IMMEDIATELY
[01:17] <xboxowns> kubuntu is truly the best linux OS right now
[01:17] <xboxowns> I will stick with this version for life :D
[01:18]  * James147 would think its a good idea to upgrade at least sometime in the future
[01:18] <gennro> just get a 16gb usb thumb drive and install clonezilla on it and backup your current install using clonzilla onto the 16gb thumb drive..... cake
[01:18] <slinker1> hehe good catchphrase KDE-It doesn't suck :)
[01:20] <xboxowns> sooooorrry but I have to ask this
[01:21] <xboxowns> I want a ram disk permenantly and showing on my desktop on boot
[01:21] <xboxowns> can you guys show me how?
[01:22] <James147> xboxowns: and an entry to /etc/fstab to mount tmpfs to a location then place a shortcut to that folder on the desktop
[01:22] <slinker1> or look at http://warrenjones.blogspot.com/2010/12/create-ramdisk-ubuntu-kubuntu-ramdrive.html
[01:22] <xboxowns> so on the terminal
[01:22] <xboxowns> I type tmpfs?
[01:24] <James147> slinker1: xboxowns: more like http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=119975
[01:24] <slinker1> even better :)
[01:25] <xboxowns> but it doesn't work
[01:25] <xboxowns> it says cannot find gedit
[01:26] <xboxowns> sudo: gedit: command not found
[01:26] <James147> xboxowns: gedit is the editor for gnome, use "kdesudo kate /etc/fstab" to open the fle
[01:27] <xboxowns> and in there
[01:27] <xboxowns> I write the script?
[01:27] <James147> xboxowns: no.. /etc/fstab is the file that defines wher to mount things at boot
[01:28] <James147> xboxowns: just add the line from that link and replace <dir> with where you want to mount it
[01:32] <greek> how can i check shutdown log files, else if not present, how do i enable logging of shut down ? kubuntu 11
[01:33] <greek> i have shut down problems...
[01:33] <kavurt> greek: what's the problem exactly?
[01:35] <greek> kavurt: it seems to hang, as if it is waiting for somehting.. turn my wifi on or off, i get gui pop up on my blanked out screen telling me the network is gone or has returned. there for i know it is not froze..
[01:35] <greek> this laptop has a wireless machanical switch
[01:37] <greek> i decided if i could see a terminal type of shut down proccess or read a log file i will be able to learn more about this issue.
[01:37] <LINKSWORD2> Hey guys, I'm running Kubuntu 10.04 LTS and I'm locked out of my primary account. How can I recover my password?
[01:37] <greek> the last three shutdowns ended in me terminiting power (power button 4~ second hold)
[01:38] <greek> does root have a set password LINKSWORD2 ?
[01:38] <kavurt> greek: i have the same problem. and i use this to shutdown: http://nowardev.wordpress.com/2009/05/04/bash-close-kde-with-bash-using-dbus/
[01:38] <greek> thanks kavurt :)
[01:38] <LINKSWORD2> [ Yes, I believe so.
[01:39] <greek> i think if you can log in as root, you will be able to change  your main account password
[01:39] <LINKSWORD2> If I can't log in as root?
[01:39] <greek> i am basicly new to linux as well
[01:40] <greek> then this problem is beyond my ability to assist you with ..
[01:40] <LINKSWORD2> xD
[01:40] <LINKSWORD2> I'm screwed, then.
[01:40] <kavurt> LINKSWORD2: you can log in as root using recovery option at boot as i remember
[01:40] <James147> LINKSWORD2: reboot to recovery mode that will give you a root sheel, run "passwd USERNAME" to change the password of that user
[01:41] <LINKSWORD2> I didn't even know Linux had a recovery mode. I figured I would have to do a new installation... again....
[01:46] <greek> nice :) shut down ...
[01:48] <LINKSWORD2> James147 how do I get into recovery?
[01:48] <tertl3> recovery = new install for me :)
[01:51] <greek> when i boot LINKSWORD2, i get a couple of options in a text menu .. basicly -boot linux- boot in some kind of trouble shooting mode -- a couple of other options for memory testing -- and booting into what ever other bootable partition i have
[01:51] <greek> what do you see when you boot your computer ?
[02:25] <o_oll> It's strange. Opendesktop.org, KDE-look.org and Sourceforge are all down for me?
[02:26] <o_oll> Anyone else having issues?
[02:26] <o_oll> downforeveryoneorjustme shows it's down..
[02:46] <Captainkrtek> o_oll, is it still down?
[02:53] <o_oll> Let me check
[02:53] <o_oll> Sourceforge UP, kde-look and opendesktop down
[03:06] <briandw1969> need some guru help
[03:08] <briandw1969> anyone?
[03:19] <wsr3193> Ask away briandw
[03:19] <briandw1969> its bout kpackage
[03:20] <briandw1969> ive tried to install stuff,but it isnywhere on my system
[03:20] <briandw1969> ^isnt
[03:21] <wsr3193> How are you installing it, terminal, software manager
[03:21] <wsr3193> package manager?
[03:21] <briandw1969> software manager
[03:22] <briandw1969> it shows it installing,but cant find it
[03:22] <wsr3193> What are you installing
[03:23] <briandw1969> diff things,kompozer,audacity,Nintendo DS emulatator
[03:24] <wsr3193> Well, I am a ubuntu user, not very familar with kubuntu
[03:25] <wsr3193> After installing they should show up on your application menu, or try starting them from the terminal
[03:26] <briandw1969> u know the syntax for installing from the term?
[03:27] <wsr3193> Yes, dpkg -i (filename)
[03:28] <wsr3193> You must first find the file and cd to that folder and then use the above command
[03:29] <briandw1969> this is on a dual OS sys so should b in default drive correct?
[03:30] <wsr3193> Duel boot?
[03:30] <briandw1969> yes
[03:31] <wsr3193> What operating systems?
[03:32] <briandw1969> kubuntu 11.04 and win7 home
[03:34] <wsr3193> Well, you want to boot kubuntu, have you tried to download your files using the terminal, sudo apt-get install (filename)
[03:34] <briandw1969> ill try that way
[03:35] <wsr3193> Where do you have the file download set to, desktop? Download?
[03:37] <briandw1969> couldnt find that option
[03:37] <briandw1969> cant get eula to go thru now?
[03:38] <wsr3193> You can set the download folder in you browser, firefox? go to preferences and set the download directory to download
[03:38] <wsr3193> That you want to down load to
[03:39] <wsr3193> Are you running the beta of 11.04, it has a lot of bugs
[03:40] <briandw1969> that could b the prob
[03:41] <wsr3193> I think the 11.04 stable is available, go to the terminal and upgrade
[03:41] <briandw1969> last time i upgraded from 10 it had probs
[03:42] <briandw1969> couldnt get front page login,kept giving me a terminal
[03:42] <wsr3193>  Yea, I upgraded to beta 11.04 and had all kinds of problems, I went back to 10.10
[03:44] <wsr3193> Another way to upgrade is to hit alt F2 and run the command update-manager -d and you can update that way
[03:45] <briandw1969> hmn
[03:46] <briandw1969> wouldnt run the command
[03:49] <briandw1969> maybe i should revert back til some more bugs are fixed
[03:51] <wsr3193> Well, I would  upgrade to 11.04 before you go back to 10
[03:52] <briandw1969> im on 11.04 right now
[03:52] <wsr3193> Beta?
[03:52] <briandw1969> i belive
[03:52] <briandw1969> is there a version checker?
[03:54] <briandw1969> still new to Kubuntu
[03:57] <wsr3193> I am not very familar with Kubuntu, played with it a little, did not like went back to ubuntu
[03:58] <briandw1969> im not sure of the diffs on them
[03:59] <briandw1969> i tired ubuntu on virtual box and someone told me to use kubuntu
[03:59] <briandw1969> ows
[03:59] <briandw1969> i just know i like it better than winblows
[04:01] <briandw1969> is there a command to disable touchpad thru ubuntu/kubuntu?
[04:30] <demanou> #phpfrance
[05:47] <o_oll> Warning for anyone with NVIDIA graphics running Kubuntu
[05:47] <o_oll> With the current nonfree driver resizing a console window will crash the whole system
[05:48] <o_oll> (Konsole or GNOME Terminal)
[05:48] <Graf_Westerholt> thx o_oll
[05:48] <o_oll> Workaround is starting Konsole with --notransparency
[05:48] <Graf_Westerholt> I exerienced that problem :)
[05:48] <Graf_Westerholt> thx
[05:48] <o_oll> Just found out about the workaround on launchpad today and it saved me many frustrations
[05:49] <o_oll> Hope nvidia fixes this one soon, pretty big issue
[05:52] <multipass> anyone know why my compiz settings manager dosnt seem to be working? i change something, but nothing happens
[05:52] <valorie> compiz is a gnome thing
[05:52] <valorie> we have plasma in Kubuntu
[05:52] <valorie> systemsettings > Desktop effects
[05:53] <multipass> oic
[05:53] <multipass> makes sense lol
[05:53] <Graf_Westerholt> !compiz
[05:53] <dan___> multipass:  most of the compizzy stuff can be done inp lasma
[05:53] <dan___> actually
[05:53] <multipass> is there cursor edge flipping
[05:53] <multipass> so the desktop flips to next when u drag a window or mouse cursor?
[05:54] <dan_l> Um.
[05:54] <dan_l> What do you mean?
[05:54] <dan_l> so you want to move a window to the next desktop with the mouse?
[05:54] <multipass> ya like u drag a window as far as it can go and it flips to next desktop
[05:54] <multipass> or if u move mouse cursor
[05:54] <multipass> to edge of screen
[05:54] <dan_l> good question.  lemme look
[05:54] <multipass> ok cool
[05:55] <valorie> !plasma
[05:55] <valorie> silly bot
[05:55] <Graf_Westerholt> multipass, that exist in plasma.
[05:55] <valorie> !desktop effects
[05:56] <valorie> we need to add a couple of blurbs there
[05:56] <multipass> o yeah, and i just did a apt-get kubuntu-desktop in ubuntu... should i have done a full reinstall?
[05:56] <valorie> no
[05:56] <valorie> kubuntu-desktop will do ya
[05:56] <multipass> everything should be ok with this pack? ok
[05:56] <valorie> yes
[05:57] <Magnusson> is it possible to diasble the new "remember authorization" dialog in kde 4.6?
[05:57] <valorie> as long as you have an updated and upgraded system
[05:57] <valorie> why do people hate on kwallet?
[05:57] <valorie> it works so well
[05:57] <valorie> you put in your passw once, and it remembers everything else
[05:57] <valorie> once per login
[05:58] <dan_l> Multipass:  I don't see it.  But I'm sure it's there
[05:59] <multipass> im looking
[05:59] <dan_l> My 2 cents:  you'll like the window resizing stuff a lot more-----jus sayin:)
[05:59] <multipass> the expo?
[06:00] <dan_l> the expo is, in itself, totally bad ass.
[06:00] <dan_l> But out of the box
[06:00] <dan_l> When you drag a window to a screen edge
[06:00] <dan_l> it will resize it ---either to 50% verticle/horizontal
[06:00] <dan_l> or quarter screen
[06:00] <multipass> yeah
[06:01] <multipass> i noticed that, new to 11.04?
[06:02] <dan_l> No, it was in 10.04 as well.  I think I had it as a feature in 9 as well, but I think it had to be enabled.
[06:02] <dan_l> It's pretty killer for me if you're making heavy use of expose.
[06:03] <multipass> trying to figure out why kde makes HoN laggy
[06:03] <multipass> whereas gnome runs it perfectly smoothly
[06:03] <multipass> i have very good computer, should be ok
[06:04] <dan_l> laggy how?
[06:04] <multipass> FPSwise
[06:04] <multipass> scrolling on the screen
[06:05] <dan_l> and don't be coming in here talking about your gnome.
[06:05] <multipass> its a openGL game
[06:05] <dan_l> what game?
[06:05] <multipass> heroes of newerth
[06:05] <multipass> i like kde, not dissing on it lol
[06:05] <multipass> just stating how it is
[06:05] <multipass> how about the glowing blue border on windows
[06:05] <dan_l> I'm teasing you.
[06:06] <dan_l> you want it off?
[06:06] <multipass> aybe thats czusing it
[06:06] <dan_l> or you want it on?
[06:06] <multipass> off
[06:06] <dan_l> Disable shadows in desktop effects
[06:06] <dan_l> (that's not the glowing blue, but I noticed that can eat up resource)
[06:07] <dan_l> the blue bar
[06:08] <dan_l> is under desktop appearance>window decorations
[06:08] <o_oll> multipass, yes it's there
[06:08] <o_oll> It's on the desktop cube settings afaik
[06:09] <o_oll> or the cube animation settings
[06:09] <o_oll> oops my chat wasn't scrolled down, hope that was still relevant
[06:09] <o_oll> =P
[06:09] <o_oll> "it's there >>> edge flipping
[06:10] <multipass> o cool, leme check
[06:12] <multipass> what is it labled?
[06:17] <o_oll> Desktop cube animation > then...
[06:17] <o_oll> "Start animation when moving windows towards screen edges"
[06:18] <o_oll> It's a simple checkbox. Should work right after you check it and then hit apply
[06:18] <o_oll> if you're used to the usual compiz behavior your'll probably want to uncheck use pager layout for animations, as well.
[06:18] <o_oll> Oops, he went offline, will have to copypaste that i guess =P
[06:57] <Paula> ?
[07:01] <Ubuntufreak> I am not able to open GIMP by clicking it's icon so when i tried to run it through konsole i get this error http://paste.kde.org/66685/
[08:05] <Wojtulas> hi, how much ram takes xorg conf on your computers
[08:09] <valorie> Wojtulas: I don't even see it in htop
[08:09] <ehsan> kwin freeze when i resize windows and using oxygen transparent. kubuntu 11.04
[08:10] <valorie> have you updated since you installed?
[08:10]  * valorie resizes konsole
[08:10] <valorie> oh, oxygen transparent
[08:11] <ehsan> use sudo pppoeconf to connect internet
[08:12] <valorie> I'm using oxygen classic
[08:12] <valorie> not transparent
[08:13] <ehsan> compiz work fine but kwin freeze when i resize qt programs
[08:13] <valorie> you might look at the bugs -- I read a post recently from the kwin devel
[08:13] <valorie> which basically said "it isn't kwin"
[08:14] <valorie> I've never use compiz
[08:14] <valorie> so dunno
[08:16] <valorie> Wojtulas: in system activity, I see between 6 and 7% for xorg
[08:20] <ehsan> how to connect google talk in Kopete
[08:20] <ehsan> i use jabber but wont connect
[08:27] <Jimini> hey there, I have the problem, that none of my users can log in via kdm. these lines are logged in auth.log when I try to log in: http://nopaste.info/c2f5722b39.html
[08:30] <valorie> wow, nopaste is slow
[08:31] <valorie> paste.ubuntu.com or paste.kde.org are much better
[08:31] <valorie> still a blank page
[08:32] <valorie> jimini, it finally loaded, but the readout doesn't tell me anything that I can help with
[08:32] <Jimini> alright, valorie, I'll paste it there
[08:32] <valorie> !kdm
[08:33] <valorie> no, please
[08:33] <valorie> it finally opened
[08:33] <Jimini> yep
[08:33] <valorie> I hope someone else can help
[08:33] <Jimini> me too ;)
[08:36] <valorie> Jimini: do you have some sort of startup script for your users?
[08:36] <valorie> while googling, I came across this: http://www.unix.com/shell-programming-scripting/20812-inappropriate-ioctl-device.html
[08:37] <Jimini> valorie: no. I'll take a look at that link, thank you
[08:37] <valorie> oh ho: http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3101895
[08:38] <valorie> much more likely, if you have no script
[08:38] <valorie> sec
[08:43] <Jimini> valorie: I created a new user for testing purposes, but I still can not log in
[08:45] <valorie> !dpkg
[08:45] <valorie> hmmm
[08:46] <Jimini> valorie: I have to say that I am not that familiar with debian and *ubuntu, since I'm a gentoo user
[08:46] <valorie> have you tried running 'dpkg --configure -a' with no quotes?
[08:47] <valorie> it is possible that you have that problem of a broken package somewhere
[08:48] <Jimini> valorie: I executed that command, but got no output or any "feedback" at all
[08:49] <Jimini> valorie: the system seems to be up to date, I even reinstalled kdm and kde, which had no effect
[08:50] <valorie> well, I'm not the person you need
[08:50] <Jimini> thank you for your effort though
[08:50] <valorie> I just don't know enough to help, sorry
[08:50] <Jimini> no problem :)
[08:51] <valorie> our usually awesome helpers must be asleep or at the movies or something
[08:52] <Jimini> hehe, first I will search for help in the forums, but I guess that I will look into this chan later on
[08:52] <koz_> noticed  when trying to downlad new themes etc in the      dialog,, I keep getting      "Network error, (1) "
[08:53] <cannavist> good morning
[08:53] <cannavist> whats the command to edit the network interfaces file
[08:53] <cannavist> ?
[08:54] <Jimini> cannavist: you can either use ifconfig or edit /etc/network/interfaces with any editor
[08:55] <Jimini> (I use nano to edit that file)
[08:56] <cannavist> No protocol specified
[08:56] <cannavist> (gedit:1936): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: :0
[08:57] <cannavist> tried gedit
[09:27] <rbelem> [5. /bin/byobu-reconnect-sockets
[09:35] <slaip_> miksi täällä ei pysty vaihtaan servua suoraan vai sähläänkö ite ja pahasti?
[10:07] <valorie> anybody know how to get right-click to work in FF again?
[10:07] <valorie> so annoying that it no longer does automatically
[10:12] <Graf_Westerholt> Rightclick works fine in ff here, valorie.
[10:27] <kottlett> hi! I got a workstation with an ati card (radeon driver) and two monitors. kdm/X always starts with clone mode, during runtime I can switch using randr/systemsettings to an extended desktop. Is it possible to configure that randr setting statically in xorg.conf?
[10:38] <erebus> g
[11:34] <luca> buongiorno
[11:35] <alar> Hi
[11:35] <Peace-> hi
[11:35] <Peace-> luca: english
[11:35] <luca> !it
[11:36] <alar> ee,se,fi,no
[12:19] <Belial> Anyone know of nay ip subnet calculator widgets?
[12:39] <Sethiroth> hello
[12:42] <Sethiroth> i am having trouble with hdmi and sound
[12:42] <Sethiroth> i am getting no sound
[12:46] <frogonwheels> Sethiroth: yeah - I've had problems with that.
[12:46] <Sethiroth> you have any tips ?
[12:46] <frogonwheels> Sethiroth: ended up getting it working with Myth ..
[12:46] <frogonwheels> Sethiroth: but not with anything else :(
[12:47] <Sethiroth> hmm ok ill try it
[12:48] <frogonwheels> ... so I just use the standard soundcard for normal stuff.
[12:48] <frogonwheels> (mythtv I'm talking about)
[12:48] <frogonwheels> Sethiroth: is there a reason you need sound coming out the hdmi port?
[12:49] <frogonwheels> (I mean of course it'd be good)..
[12:49] <frogonwheels> oh yeah, it might help if I told you that when I just played aplayer or something over the hdim sound card, the tv reported an unrecognised audio format or something
[12:50] <frogonwheels> might have been unrecognised encoding or something like that.
[12:51] <Sethiroth> i am using onboard ati 3000 HD
[12:52] <Sethiroth> i have the closed source drivers from amd installed
[12:52] <frogonwheels> mine is something similar.
[12:52] <frogonwheels> anyway gl. gg
[12:55] <acid> hi
[12:56] <acid> I recently bought a laptop with core i5 2410M processor (which is 64 bits)
[12:56] <acid> dumb question : should I download and install the "AMD64" iso or the "intel x86" one ?
[12:56] <acid> :/
[12:57] <James147_> acid: amd64 will work on any 64bit computer, x86 will work on any 32bit or 64bit system
[12:59] <acid> ok, but then I guess the x86 install won't use the 64 bits capacity, like managing more than 4GB RAM ?
[13:00] <James147_> acid: yes, though 32bit system can use more then 4gigs of ram (though you need to install an alternitive kernel) but no application can have see more then 4gigs
[13:01] <acid> ok then, I'll just download and install the amd64 iso (perhaps changing it's name removing the "amd" part would be a good idea btw. It's confusing)
[13:02] <James147_> acid: but thats the architecture name ^^
[13:02] <acid> ah ?!
[13:02] <acid> :)
[13:02] <acid> nevermind then
[13:03] <James147_> acid: and the generic download page lists 32 and 64 as the options ^^
[13:04] <acid> ok ok !
[13:05] <acid> while I download the iso, I just have to figured out the "geom error / Insert system disk in drive." boot error I get after installing the 32 bit version
[13:05] <acid> :o
[13:24] <tchuya> hello
[13:24] <tchuya> please help me about wireless card
[13:25] <James147_> !details | tchuya
[13:27] <tchuya> when i installed kubuntu 11.4  i can see wireless card in netword connetions, but after i install driver for broadcom STA wireless and restart i cant see wireless card in network connections .
[13:28] <James147_> tchuya: who did you install the driver?
[13:28] <James147_> how ^^
[13:29] <tchuya> I installed by Additional Drivers in system
[13:35] <acid> when you have to choose "Device for boot loader instruction", should you use /dev/sda or /dev/sda1 (as /dev/sda1 is the win7 system partition with boot flag) ?
[13:37] <James147_> acid: grub should be installed to the disk not the partition unless your doing something funky (like installing on a mac :P)
[13:38] <acid> James147_: nothing like that, thank you !
[13:46] <BluesKaj> Hiyas
[13:48] <nata> upgrade to kubuntu 11.04 let me suffer enough
[13:49] <BluesKaj> nata, suffer how ?
[13:50] <nata> xorg slower enough
[13:50] <nata> all the motion slow
[13:50] <BluesKaj> which graphics card?
[13:51] <nata> i use vesa to support my old card
[13:52] <nata> 11.04 cannot compare to previous version in term of graphic speed
[13:52] <nata> whole things become slow
[13:52] <oversize> hi, with a dual monitor setup (official nvidia from oficial repo) everything works fine, but since 11.04 if i boot without the second monitor, the desktop loads, but no windows are painted, including bars, alt+f2 works but the windows of all apps are just empty. any ideas where to start debugging? ^^ thanks
[13:53] <BluesKaj> nata, which old card?
[13:53] <nata> do you all know how to change the setting so that my mouse pointer will not auto hide when point to something?
[13:54] <nata> VIA build in graphic card. hehe
 what the %$@ do you want to do that for?
[13:57] <BluesKaj> nata , it may not be your graphics , it could be the memory and cpu , perhaps a different desktop like XFCE might work better
[13:57] <BluesKaj> !desktop | nata
 oops sorry i thought you Wanted it to....:)
[13:58] <cbone> too early
[13:59] <nata> nonono BluesKaj, in previous version is work well. memory all fine
[13:59] <nata> hehe cbone
[14:00] <cbone> a little......k-omedy
[14:00] <nata> wan install back 10.10 if got time
[14:05] <acid> I haven't found any answer on the net so here is my question : I'd like to upgrade my RAM in a toshiba portégé r830 core i5 2410m, is 8GB an hardware limit, or can I upgrade it to 16GB ?
[14:05] <acid> i'm now using kubuntu 64 bits too
[14:11] <dan_l> Acid:  did you get that?
[14:11] <BluesKaj> what Ram do you have now, acid?
[14:12] <nata> acid: depend your motherboard got how many RAM slot allow you to put in new RAM. 64bit OS can support 16G is no problem
[14:13] <dan_l> and the more gb's and the more bits you have the better ;)
[14:20] <dan_l> !irc
[14:21] <dan_l> !guidelines
[14:42] <mime1111> hello linux users. i have an external hdd, once i plug it, it makes a strange sound (like writting, more high and noisy), kubuntu doesnt automount it; no detection tiping fdisk -l in konsole, no folder in /...media..., in sh*itdows it works. any help? thank you all.
[14:45] <BluesKaj> mime1111, try a live cd of any OS to see if the hdd is recognized
[14:46] <mime1111> no. only works on windows via usb
[14:46] <mime1111> O_O
[14:46] <BluesKaj> mime1111, try lsusb in the terminal
[14:46] <mime1111> ok
[14:47] <mime1111> if I should find ''fujitsu hdd'' in there, it isnt
[14:48] <mime1111> it just make scratching noise
[14:48] <BluesKaj> and windows sees  the drive as ok and accessible ?
[14:49] <mime1111> yeah, sure! even i can change to fat and ext, etc
[14:52] <mime1111> after tipping lsub before the scratching noise, it detect that and then , it ''disappears''    ID 05e3:0702 Genesys Logic, Inc. USB 2.0 IDE Adapter
[14:52] <MiniSanky> Hello, I installed the kubuntu-desktop bundle, but dead keys (for typing accented characters) don't seem to be working in KDE apps.  Upon hitting a dead key, I just get the character itself (i.e., ˇ).  Any ideas?
[14:54] <BluesKaj> mime1111, check it on windows to make sure it's still working ...sounds like there might be a readhead problem
[14:54] <mime1111> look, that occured while installing an opensuse distro in ti
[14:54] <mime1111> yeah, it works
[14:55] <mime1111> you mean the ''disks'' are moved?
[15:00] <MiniSanky> Also, is there a way to prevent KDE apps from using the GTK+ theme?  It's white-on-black and it seems like most KDE programs don't respect text color.  (I'm still on Ubuntu.)
[15:00] <BluesKaj> mime1111, perhaps , try this after connecting on kubuntu , if you can figure out what the drive is listed as. ' mount -o remount,rw /path/to/drive '
[15:02] <mime1111> wich is suposed to be the ''pathtodrive''? i dont know :$
[15:03] <mime1111> so i crete a folder where to mount it¿
[15:04] <BluesKaj> mime1111, if the drive is recognized it will show up as an hdd in dolphin/places
[15:04] <mime1111> ok
[15:06] <mime1111> i go to dolphin, then enter to /places, place that doesn't exist
[15:07] <mime1111> information: im a  bit noob
[15:08] <BluesKaj> mime1111, well , I'm not experienced with outboard hdds either, so that's about all i can help you with.
[15:09] <mime1111> no problem, thnx anyway 4 ur time
[15:09] <mime1111> thnx a lot
[15:10] <BluesKaj> mim if it shows up in dolphin it will be listed with the other drives and partitions , usually on the left
[15:10] <BluesKaj> bummer
[15:18] <Starwatcher> hi all have a question, I updated to 11.04 and now I do not get the grup menu because the monitor complains of un sopported res. the loader goes on in the background and the loads the os,that then brings the right res. where can I find a place to change the res for the bootloader?
[15:34] <Warlock969> is there an easy way to extract iso's using ark in kubuntu?  in ubuntu you just right click and extract it....kind of looking for the same in kubuntu
[15:38] <kubu2> Warlock969: right click iso and then open with - ark?
[15:38] <BluesKaj> Warlock969,  create a folder cut the to iso to it, then extract here
[15:39] <Warlock969> kubu2 - doesnt worl  :(
[15:39] <BluesKaj> that's my method anyway
[15:39] <kubu2> Warlock969: I just did
[15:40] <Warlock969> it says unable to determine archive type...ive tried this on several good iso's already
[15:41] <Warlock969> im stuck
[15:41] <Warlock969> using 11.04
[15:41] <kubu2> Warlock969: in fact when you right click an iso file yhere would be a bunch of ark context menus at the bottom - extract to...so on
[15:41] <Warlock969> it then gives me several choices for archive types...zip, rar, etc
[15:42] <Warlock969> where can i send you a screen shot?
[15:42] <kubu2> Warlock969: nevre mind the open with..just look for the bunch of ark menu context
[15:43] <Warlock969> The following files could not be extracted:
[15:43] <kubu2> Warlock969: with the open with slect tar lz compressed
[15:43] <Warlock969> oh
[15:43] <kubu2> Warlock969: of course make sure you have all the supporting compression libs installed
[15:44] <Warlock969> hooya!
[15:44] <Warlock969> got it - selected 7zip method....that worked
[15:44] <Warlock969> thanks guys
[15:44] <kubu2> Warlock969: do you see those menus when right click at the bottom?
[15:44] <Warlock969> just needed an audience i guess - lol
[15:45] <Warlock969> kubu2:  yes, had already tried that
[15:45] <kubu2> good
[15:46] <BluesKaj> Warlock969, Question why are you extracting this iso ..what are you looking for ?
[15:46] <Warlock969> just installing some games in q4wine - goofing around.  didn't want to mount the iso
[15:47] <Warlock969> it's some boot leg games and such - nothing mission-critical
[15:48] <BluesKaj> oh so the iso was merely a "wrapper"
[15:49] <Warlock969> i guess - yea.  downloaded warcraft 3 and it was in iso format
[15:49] <BluesKaj> right
[17:02] <c2tarun> anyone used a 3G stick on kubuntu for internet access?
[17:17] <cousin_mario> hello
[17:17] <cousin_mario> fontsizes get reset at every login, is this normal? (kubuntu 11.04/64 bit)
[17:55] <Ubuntufreak> I have problem installing Haskell-platform in my Kubuntu 11.04 http://paste.kde.org/67615/ any help ?
[18:01] <DarthFrog> Ubuntufreak: What happens if you install ghc6 first?
[18:02] <Ubuntufreak> It install the 6.12.1+ version
[18:02] <Ubuntufreak> and shows the same error
[18:03] <yofel> it's bug 742052
[18:03] <DarthFrog> yofel: How do you find those bug reports so quickly?  Do you have a mental database that you can do an SQL query upon? :-)
[18:04] <Ubuntufreak> yofel: thanks for the info :-)
[18:04] <yofel> nope, the source of haskell-platform is haskell-platorm, meaning the bug list for it is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/haskell-platform and there you see it already
[18:05] <yofel> you just need to know how LP works
[18:05] <DarthFrog> Makes sense.  I've not spent much time in Launchpad - it frustrates me every time I try to file a bug so I've given up.
[18:05] <yofel> what's the problem with filing bugs?
[18:06] <DarthFrog> It always comes to a circularity that I can't seem to break out of.
[18:06] <DarthFrog> Before I can file a bug, I have to search for already opened bugs.  And no matter what, it circles back to that.
[18:07] <yofel> odd, it's not supposed to do that...
[18:07] <DarthFrog> I gave up filing bugs years ago.
[18:07] <DarthFrog> Sometimes I feel guilty about that. :-)
[18:08] <DarthFrog> But I don't need the aggravation.
[18:09] <yofel> well, you're not the only one...
[18:25] <alexis_> hola
[18:28] <george_> hello Kubuntuers
[18:30] <mxdude> When I try to enable desktop effects, it errors out, anybody else having similar issues? this is on Ubuntu 11.04 with kubuntu-full installed
[18:31] <Peace-> mxdude: video card? nvidia?
[18:32] <mxdude> Peace:let me check, hold on
[18:32] <mxdude> Peace: its Intel
[18:33] <Peace-> mxdude: i have intel
[18:33] <Peace-> lspci | grep -i vga
[18:34] <mxdude> Peace: btw here's the error message... Failed to activate desktop effects using the given configuration options. Settings will be reverted to their previous values.
[18:34] <mxdude> Check your X configuration. You may also consider changing advanced options, especially changing the compositing type.
[18:34] <Peace-> mxdude: that because yo have chosed wrong settings...
[18:34] <Peace-> i guess it's clear
[18:34] <yofel> mxdude: can you disable the 'Blur' effect and try again?
[18:34] <Peace-> not all settings are compatbile with all video cards
[18:35] <yofel> intel has some issues in natty :/
[18:35] <Peace-> yofel: nope it's not that
[18:35] <yofel> well, unless I either disable blur and some other effects or use xrender instead of opengl I can't use effects here
[18:36] <mxdude> let me see if by disabling Blur fixes it...
[18:36] <Peace-> 9/10 no
[18:36] <mxdude> nope, same error
[18:36] <yofel> it could be something else too, but we don't have enough info yet
[18:36] <Peace-> mxdude: this is my intel configuration , on natty it seems opengl doens't work well
[18:36] <Peace-> mxdude: http://wstaw.org/m/2011/05/14/plasma-desktopOk1707.jpg
[18:37] <Peace-> intel driver sucks a lots on natty , opengl doesn'ìt work at all here on 945gm
[18:38] <mxdude> Peace: wow nice desktop =0
[18:38] <Peace-> or maybe it works but not how it worked on
[18:38] <Peace-> 10.04
[18:38] <Peace-> mxdude: tht is an activity that i have created via javascript , similar to unity
[18:38] <Peace-> i have some script for gnome2 and mac
[18:38] <Peace-> xD
[18:39] <BluesKaj> I'm looking for a simple script to run sshfs to automount remote folders , after login ...I found one that looked promising but it failed with an error  at aline theat had an unexpected } . tried removing it but still got the same error
[18:41] <Peace-> BluesKaj: script?
[18:41] <Peace-> paste
[18:41] <mxdude> Peace: holy crap that worked!!
[18:41] <BluesKaj> this the guide . http://taggedzi.com/articles/display/bash-shell-script-to-mount-remote-systems-using-sshfs
[18:41] <yofel> I'm using kwin with opengl here on my 945GME, but I had to disable all effects that don't work with xrender. If I didn't the effects either disabled themselves immediately or had like 0.5 FPS with functionality checks disabled
[18:41]  * Peace- reading scriopt
[18:42] <mxdude> Peace: only thing i had to uncheck was the VSync in the Advanced tab
[18:42] <Peace-> yep
[18:43] <mxdude> at least i can see some decent effects, i don't use the desktop cube and other fancy effects
[18:44] <mxdude> well im out thanks Peace =D
[18:44] <Peace-> BluesKaj: your error=?
[18:45] <Peace-> BluesKaj: replace the first line with [18:45] <Peace-> BluesKaj: that makes script more verbose
[18:46] <Peace-> this could help you find where is your probolem
[18:46] <jmcantrell_> anyone use chromium and lastpass? the "copy password" thing doesn't work in natty
[18:47] <Peace-> jmcantrell_: ppa? chromium?
[18:47] <Peace-> or the repository standard version ?
[18:47] <jmcantrell_> Peace-: ppa:chromium-daily/dev
[18:47] <BluesKaj> ok Peace- , I'll try that
[18:47] <BluesKaj> thx
[18:47] <Peace-> jmcantrell_: no support for ppa stuff
[18:48] <Peace-> it brokes feauters
[18:48] <Peace-> jmcantrell_: try with the repository version
[18:48] <jmcantrell_> Peace-: do you know which version the standard one is?
[18:49] <Peace-> jmcantrell_: a) remove chromium b) sudo apt-get clean c) remove the ppa d) reinstall chromium = you will get chromium from standard reposiotry
[18:49] <jmcantrell_> Peace-: going to try that
[18:54] <jmcantrell_> Peace-: that did it. so, is this an issue with the chromium folks just needing to catch up with natty?
[18:56] <Peace-> jmcantrell_: if it doesn't work...
[18:56] <Peace-> with standard version you should write to google chrome
[18:56] <Peace-> i dunno where
[18:57] <Peace-> anyway... i have to go, BluesKaj if you have time try this i just did it , it should record the screen anc it should create gif http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=141720
[18:57] <Peace-> bye
[18:58] <BluesKaj> ok Peace-, later
[19:10] <erebus> how can i install skype?
[19:13] <slinker1> http://www.skype.com/intl/en-us/get-...omputer/linux/
[19:14] <slinker1> sorry :) http://www.skype.com/intl/en-us/get-skype/on-your-computer/linux/
[19:14] <erebus> slinker1: we dont have a package?
[19:17] <Peace-> !skype | erebus
[19:17] <erebus> erebus@ErebusPC:~$ sudo apt-get install skype
[19:17] <erebus> Reading package lists... Done
[19:17] <erebus> Building dependency tree
[19:17] <erebus> Reading state information... Done
[19:17] <erebus> Package skype is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[19:17] <FloodBotK1> erebus: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[19:17] <erebus> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[19:17] <slinker1> well you can add partners repo first
[19:17] <xboxowns> Hey guys I have a kubuntu question
[19:17] <erebus> slinker1: how?
[19:18] <xboxowns> When everytime I watch a movie and after a while the screen becomes a little darker and darker and darker
[19:18] <slinker1> hang on one
[19:18] <xboxowns> until I move the mouse before it becomes bright again
[19:18] <xboxowns> how do I disable this feature?
[19:18] <Peace-> xboxowns: energy save settings
[19:18] <xboxowns> how do I disable it?
[19:19] <Peace-> xboxowns: systemsettring , top right , there is a filter bar
[19:19] <Peace-> xboxowns: type energy
[19:19] <slinker1> erebus: sstem settings software settings edit origins second tab enable partner
[19:20] <xboxowns> it says when it is plugged performance
[19:20] <xboxowns> is that what I want?
[19:21] <Peace-> omg ... xboxowns http://wstaw.org/m/2011/05/14/plasma-desktopuX1707.jpg
[19:22] <erebus> slinker1: any video software for linux?\
[19:22] <erebus> to video call?
[19:22] <Peace-> erebus: google talks
[19:23] <Peace-> works on firefox , chrome chromium
[19:23] <erebus> Peace-: does it work with skype?
[19:23] <Peace-> nope
[19:23] <xboxowns> thanks
[19:23] <erebus> Peace-: how can i install googletalk from terminal
[19:23] <Peace-> erebus: if you have to talk , say to the other to register a mail.
[19:23] <xboxowns> I tried google talk on the latest version wine
[19:23] <xboxowns> it doesn't work well still
[19:23] <xboxowns> extremely buggy
[19:23] <Peace-> xboxowns: ?
[19:23] <Peace-> xboxowns: wth in wine?
[19:23] <xboxowns> yeah
[19:23] <Peace-> fail
[19:23] <xboxowns> because there is no linux google talk
[19:23] <Peace-> it works on firefox.
[19:24] <xboxowns> OH
[19:24] <Peace-> xboxowns: are you mad?
[19:24] <xboxowns> Ah
[19:24] <xboxowns> Hey I am new here :s
[19:24] <Peace-> -..-
[19:24] <xboxowns> i am a complete n00b
[19:24] <erebus> Peace-: how is the google talk package called
[19:25] <xboxowns> hehe at least I am downloading at 1 Mb/sec
[19:25] <slinker1> erebus: ekiga also
[19:25] <Peace-> erebus: , google ?==> google video talks [19:25] <xboxowns> Do you think wine will reach a stage where it can run .net framework 4.0, xna 4.0 and visual studio 2010?
[19:26] <Peace-> erebus: xboxowns http://wstaw.org/m/2011/05/14/plasma-desktopdM1707.jpg
[19:26] <Peace-> it works much better than msn on windows.
[19:27] <Peace-> xboxowns: erebus this is my webcam http://nowardev.wordpress.com/2011/04/16/google-talks-logitech-linux-kubuntu/
[19:27] <Peace-> and that is my blog.
[19:28] <erebus> Peace-: this is a plugin
[19:28] <erebus> isnt there googletalk for linux?
[19:29] <xboxowns> I thought there isn't.
[19:29] <xboxowns> Although why....I really like google talk....it is an awesome little program
[19:29] <erebus> ok
[19:29] <Peace-> erebus: ... omg
[19:29] <erebus> Peace-: ok i got the deb
[19:29] <Peace-> erebus: use that, it will be added to firefox
[19:29] <erebus> how do i install it
[19:30] <Peace-> double click on it?
[19:30] <Peace-> like in windows?
[19:30] <erebus> og
[19:30] <erebus> ok
[19:30] <erebus> Peace-: the thing is
[19:30] <erebus> everyone has to have gmail
[19:30] <erebus> for that
[19:30] <Peace-> yes
[19:31] <Peace-> who cares it's free
[19:31] <xboxowns> YAY
[19:31] <xboxowns> there is a google talk for linux after all
[19:31] <slinker1> erebus: you loking for sip or chat or what?
[19:31] <xboxowns> I am installing a native google talk installation
[19:32] <Peace-> xboxowns: make sure it doens't use wine
[19:32] <Peace-> or...
[19:32] <Peace-> it will be bad
[19:32] <xboxowns> nope..not wine
[19:32] <slinker1> erebus also see http://www.kubuntuguide.info/index.php/Natty
[19:32] <xboxowns> But shouldn't wine be able to run it?
[19:32] <Peace-> wine = fail
[19:33] <slinker1> i wonder if they will rename skype ms-talk :)
[19:33] <Peace-> slinker1: skype i guess will not work on linux
[19:34] <Peace-> few time and it will be
[19:34] <slinker1> Peace-: heh we shall see i suppose probably just more ads than i want to see
[19:34] <Peace-> if you use google talks no stuff
[19:35] <Peace-> ads or whatever
[19:35] <slinker1> true true
[19:35] <Peace-> i have tried here on italy and it works pretty well
[19:35] <Peace-> if you are in america and canada you can use like skype
[19:35] <Peace-> because you can even  call phones
[19:36] <slinker1> i havent really looked at gtalk i normally use ekiga cause most of the folks i need to talk to are on sip of some type
[19:37] <Peace-> slinker1: does it work with video ?
[19:37] <Peace-> or it's just a joke?
[19:37] <barth_> hey!
[19:37] <slinker1> well to be honest i havent used it most people just seem to want to look at me
[19:38] <slinker1> :)
[19:38] <slinker1> change want to do not want
[19:39] <Peace-> ok :)
[19:40] <Peace-> i have to go bye
[19:40] <slinker1> peace out :)
[19:44] <kara> can i install the "Konversation" in my other laptop
[19:44] <kara> it doesn't have ubuntu
[19:53] <xboxowns> uuuuuuuuuuh
[19:53] <xboxowns> I have a problem O_O
[19:53] <xboxowns> No sound is coming out!!!
[19:53] <xboxowns> I want to watch family guy online an no sound is coming out
[19:54] <gennro> well turn the sound on
[19:55] <xboxowns> I did
[19:55] <xboxowns> Everything
[19:55] <xboxowns> Max volume
[19:55] <gennro> whats the website fox's?
[19:55] <xboxowns> It is not just the website
[19:55] <xboxowns> it is my entire computer
[19:55] <xboxowns> I am going to reboot the system
[19:55] <xboxowns> But wait
[19:55] <xboxowns> I just remembered
[19:55] <FloodBotK1> xboxowns: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[19:55] <xboxowns> rebooting fixes nothing
[19:56] <xboxowns> ok
[19:56] <gennro> woah fox's website sucks
[19:57] <gennro> i'm not real familier with pulse audio
[19:57] <gennro> so can't help ya
[19:58] <gennro> was it working and just stopped xboxowns?
[21:08] <andresncp> tengo un problema con el dolphin, alguien me podria ayudar?
[21:09] <Graf_Westerholt> !uy
[21:12] <andresncp> cada vez que abro Dolphin, aparece un mensaje que dice "No se puede escribir en el archivo de configuracion <</home/usuario/.kde/share/config/dolphinrc>>
[21:12] <andresncp> Como puedo hacer para que esto no aparezca mas y pueda entrar normalmente en Dolphin?
[21:19] <gennro> check out this awesome task manager Kubuntu users http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/Smooth+Tasks?content=101586
[21:21] <James147_> gennro: its also largly unmaintained atm
[21:21] <gennro> James147 works fine and is animated for me
[21:22] <supermagnum> Hi, i have a chmod problem. When i try to chmod a directory that is listed with the ls commando chmod spits out: No such file or directory
[21:22] <supermagnum> how do i fix that ?
[21:23] <supermagnum> it looks to me like chmod does not like that there is spaces in the directory name.
[21:24] <James147_> supermagnum: no commands do quote the name or escape the spaces
[21:24] <supermagnum> James147_:  it states : CHMOD 2755 Johnny Cash Discography 550 Johnny Cash Discography: No such file or directory
[21:25] <James147_> supermagnum: surround the file name in quites
[21:25] <James147_> quotes
[21:25] <supermagnum> James147_:  like " ?
[21:25] <James147_> yes
[21:25] <supermagnum> ok
[21:27] <supermagnum> James147_: chmod: cannot access «Johnny Cash Discography»:
[21:27] <James147_> supermagnum: what are you typing into the terminal?
[21:28] <supermagnum> James147_: oh, i fixed it, a space at the end was missing
[21:29] <supermagnum> James147_:  the correct command was : chmod 2755 "Johnny Cash Discography "
[21:33] <duncan-nz> I can't get kubuntu desktop to run. After login (using gdm, I have ubuntu installed) on the way to the desktop it just hangs. How should I proceed?
[21:35] <dniMretsaM> is it possible that it's just taking a while to load?
[21:36] <duncan-nz> no, don't think so. I've left it to sit for a long time after the HDD spins down.
[21:36] <dniMretsaM> hmm. try using KDM instead of GDM
[21:36] <duncan-nz> long time = maybe a minute on a dual core 4gb laptop, that's ages.
[21:36] <dniMretsaM> lemme go find the command to change it
[21:37] <duncan-nz> I was on kdm to start with after I installed kubuntu-desktop, I've just switched back because the default login in kdm takes more clicks (I have to type my name).
[21:37] <duncan-nz> sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm
[21:38] <dniMretsaM> yeah, that's it
[21:38] <dniMretsaM> I don't have to type my name
[21:39] <duncan-nz> The problem started after I tried to clean away unneeded packages after installing kdenlive. I didn't want to run the kde desktop anyway. Now I want to have a look - haven't seen it in several years. So I tried, that failed, so I installed kubuntu-desktop assuming that would grab all the dependencies - is that assumption correct?
[21:40] <dniMretsaM> yes, it should
[21:40] <duncan-nz> Isn't there a log file somewhere we can look at which records the path to the running desktop?
[21:40] <duncan-nz> path as in series of events.
[21:40] <dniMretsaM> I'm not sure.
[21:41] <duncan-nz> ok, any idea what that part of the procees is called. The bit between logging in and having a working desktop?
[21:42] <dniMretsaM> have an idea, one sec
[21:43] <dniMretsaM> did you install kubuntu plasma desktop?
[21:43] <duncan-nz> yes.
[21:43] <duncan-nz> oh wait, a specific package? not sure
[21:43] <duncan-nz> i'll look
[21:44] <dniMretsaM> when I installed KDE over Ubuntu I followed these instructions: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/kde
[21:44] <duncan-nz> I installed kubuntu-desktop which describes itself as 'Kubuntu Plasma Desktop/Netbook system'
[21:45] <duncan-nz> So I guess that's a yes.
[21:45] <duncan-nz> i'll have a look
[21:47] <duncan-nz> looking at this picture: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/images/kdelucid07.png I get the first four icons, but the fourth one isn't there at all and just nothing happens.
[21:49] <dniMretsaM> the 4th one is a large "K" icon if it's not loading, something might be missing in the install
[21:49] <Thinkerer68> I've got a bizarre error message on tty8: "init: ureadahead-other main process (893) terminated with status 4"
[21:50] <Thinkerer68> Any ideas what that might mean and what to do about it?
[21:51] <dniMretsaM> nope, no idea, sorry
[21:51] <dniMretsaM> google aroung until u find something
[21:51] <duncan-nz> Thinkerer68, I get plenty of hits with that error string on google. have you looked at them?
[21:52] <Thinkerer68> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1583583
[21:52] <duncan-nz> great minds think alike ;-)
[21:52] <dniMretsaM> haha
[21:52] <Thinkerer68> Yeah, I'm searching too, but I wanted to get the question in here just in case it is something well known  ;)
[21:52] <dniMretsaM> google is your best friend for pretty much anything
[21:52] <dniMretsaM> I've come to love it
[21:53] <Thinkerer68> I know all about it. Been searching the web for decades
[21:53] <duncan-nz> Thinkerer68, it's very quiet in here. Maybe you can help me? I can't get the desktop to load past the fourth icon. Any idea where a log file might be?
[21:53]  * Thinkerer68 remembers Alta Vista fondly
[21:53] <dniMretsaM> after switching to Linux I've probably like increased my googling by like 50%
[21:53] <dan_l> what do you mean "the 4th icon"
[21:53] <dan_l> ?
[21:54] <dniMretsaM> on the splash screen
[21:54] <Thinkerer68> He means the icons that appear after X has started
[21:54] <dan_l> !amarok
[21:54] <duncan-nz> dniMretsaM, using linux increases you self-reliance. Mostly because usually there is a way to fix it. With windows if it doesn't work it can be very hard to fix.
[21:54] <dan_l> so it's freezing in the log in?
[21:55] <dniMretsaM> yep @duncan-nz
[21:56] <duncan-nz> dan_l, after logging in we get the cute background with icons coming up one at a time before the desktop. I only get the first four, then nothing.
[21:56] <dan_l> duncan-nz,  is this a new install, an existing install, or a recently upgraded install?
[21:56] <duncan-nz> dan_l, right now I'm asking where I can find a log of what is going on.
[21:57] <duncan-nz> dan_l, this was ubuntu upgraded a few times. then kdenlive, a bit of messing around, then installing kubuntu-desktop.
[21:57] <duncan-nz> ubuntu upgraded a few version I mean. originally 10.04, now 11.04.
[22:00] <duncan-nz> dan_l, do I need kdeplasma-addons? It doesn't look to me like I'm missing anything obvious for plasma to fail.
[22:01] <dan_l> I'm trying to remember how to do this:
[22:01] <dan_l> at grub find your kubuntu line item
[22:01] <dan_l> hit e
[22:01] <dan_l> and edit out the word spalsh
[22:03] <duncan-nz> I guess you mean 'splash'? OK, but I don't have a kubuntu kernel line. I want two desktops on one *ubuntu install.
[22:04] <dan_l> Yes.  In fact I did. mean 'splash'.  Naturally, I apologize for my offending of your spelling sensibilities.  In fact, had you not brought it up, I would be so ignorant as to not notice.
[22:06] <DarthFrog> duncan-nz: You can install ubuntu-desktop, kubuntu-desktop, lubuntu-desktop and/or xubuntu-desktop and select which one you wish to run each time at the graphical login screen.
[22:06] <wafa> HI
[22:06] <wafa> i have some troubles with ubuntu 10.10
[22:07] <duncan-nz> DarthFrog, that's just it. I've got Ubuntu 11.04 and installed kubuntu-desktop, but the kubuntu desktop won't load when I select it.
[22:07] <duncan-nz> wafa, you want the #ubuntu channel. This is kubuntu.
[22:07] <wafa> can you help me pls
[22:07] <dniMretsaM> i dislike the #ubuntu channel
[22:07] <duncan-nz> wafa, always just say what the problem is. please don't ask first.
[22:08] <wafa> ok
[22:08] <duncan-nz> dniMretsaM, why? it's far too busy I guess, but that's the price of success
[22:08] <dniMretsaM> they're too strict
[22:08] <wafa> while trying to free some space using the synaptic admin
[22:09] <dniMretsaM> they won't let you type b for be, u for you, etc
[22:09] <duncan-nz> wafa, you still want the #ubuntu channel
[22:09] <DarthFrog> duncan-nz: Is there anything in the log files?  /var/log/meesages perhaps?  You can press CTL-ALT-F1 (to F6) to switch to a virtual TTY session and log in from there.
[22:10] <DarthFrog> wafa: For help with Synaptic, you should ask in #ubuntu not here.  Kubuntu uses Kpackagekit, not synaptic.
[22:11] <dniMretsaM> I thought KPackageKit was a replacement for the Software Center
[22:11] <dniMretsaM> and Adept was a replacement for Synaptic
[22:11] <DarthFrog> dniMretsaM: They're pretty much the same thing.
[22:11] <wafa> ok thanks
[22:11] <DarthFrog> Kpackagekit replaces Adept.
[22:12] <dniMretsaM> I thought synaptic/adept were only for libs and stuff
[22:13] <dniMretsaM> not programs like GIMP and Chromium (which is a bad browser)
[22:13] <DarthFrog> dniMretsaM: Nope.  They are fully fledged GUI package management tools.
[22:13] <dniMretsaM> oh well, I have synaptic and kpackagekit installed. maybe I'll remove synaptic now that I know that
[22:13] <duncan-nz> DarthFrog, nothing even remotely recent there. odd.
[22:13] <DarthFrog> dniMretsaM: Use whichever one you prefer.
[22:14] <DarthFrog> duncan-nz: Well, poke around in /var/log/ and see if you can find anything relevant.
[22:14] <duncan-nz> wafa, you can ask me direct if you want. #ubuntu can be a bit crowded.
[22:14] <dniMretsaM> anybody know y u can't get the google reader widget from google gadgets in 11.04?
[22:16] <duncan-nz> DarthFrog, nothing since the 14 of april.
[22:17] <DarthFrog> duncan-nz: You can also try ~/.xsession-errors
[22:19] <DarthFrog> duncan-nz: And another option: rename your KDE director (mv ~/.kde ~/.kde.saved) and retry the login.
[22:21] <DarthFrog> Is there anything in /var/log/kdm.log?
[22:21] <Thinkerer68> What's the safest way to reboot Kubuntu from the command line? My GUI is still broken  :(
[22:21] <duncan-nz> DarthFrog, it's a 41 MB text file, I'm still looking ...
[22:21] <DarthFrog> Thinkerer68:  sudo reboot
[22:21] <DarthFrog> duncan-nz: Look at the bottom. :-)
[22:21] <dniMretsaM> I'm out guys
[22:21] <dniMretsaM> see you later
[22:21] <DarthFrog> Thinkerer68: CTL-ALT-DEL should work, too.
[22:22] <Thinkerer68> DarthFrog: thanks, I don't think I've seen that one before  :)
[22:22]  * Thinkerer68 searches up man reboot
[22:22] <DarthFrog> Thinkerer68: You've never seen the 3 fingered salute?  I envy you. :-)
[22:22] <Thinkerer68> ^ I meant "reboot", goose  :P
[22:22] <gennro> Anyone know how to get scripts installed on amarok?
[22:23] <DarthFrog> gennro: I believe the Tools menu has a script installer.
[22:23] <Thinkerer68> What exactly is this "ureadahead-other" process anyway?
[22:24] <gennro> darthfrog: unfortuanly that script manager is not there.....
[22:24] <yofel> ureadahead does some boot profiling so the system is supposed to start faster
[22:24] <darius> had a problem with my default  panel in KDE, it was unclickable. had to edit the config manually. anyone experienced this?
[22:25] <Thinkerer68> yofel: It doesn't have a manpage?
[22:25] <yofel> man ureadahead
[22:25] <Thinkerer68> yofel: I tried "man ureadahead-other" and got nothing  :-/
[22:26] <yofel> it's not a command, it's a service, see /etc/init/ureadahead-other.conf
[22:26] <yofel> it still runs ureadahead
[22:26] <DarthFrog> gennro: Amarok/Tools/Script Manager.  Down in the bottom left is "Install Scripts" button.
[22:27] <Thinkerer68> yofel: Is it possible that the "ureadahead-other" error is related to some random file corruption I've been experiencing?
[22:27] <yofel> what's the error number?
[22:28] <yofel> 0 and 4 are non-error exit states, you might see a 4, but that's a bug (that you actually see the message)
[22:28] <Thinkerer68> yofel: on tty8: "init: ureadahead-other main process (893) terminated with status 4"
[22:29] <yofel> yeah, that's not an error, ignore it
[22:29] <Thinkerer68> yofel: Good to know, thanks. I'm still a bit worried about the filesystem corruption though, because I have no clue why it happened.
[22:30] <Thinkerer68> Wow, thanks to yofel my time on #kubuntu has been very productive today  :-
[22:31] <duncan-nz> yofel, got an idea where I might find logged info on why the plasma desktop won't load? ~/.xsession-errors look clean.
[22:32] <yofel> hard to say, that's the file you would usually look at
[22:33] <yofel> you could try to open a konsole, kill any plasma process and start it in konsole so you see the stderr output in the shell
[22:33] <yofel> not mixed in xsession-errors
[22:36] <duncan-nz> yofel, interesting. Once I've got a terminal how would I do the rest?
[22:36] <tertl3> best fps for linux?
[22:37] <yofel> duncan-nz: I would try 'pkill plasma-desktop', then check 'ps -e | grep plasma' that indeed nothing is running, and then simply run 'plasma-desktop'
[22:37] <yofel> that's assuming the session has loaded far enough so krunner opens when you press alt+f2
[22:38] <Thinkerer68> In Bash, how can I redirect both STDOUT and STDERR to the same file?
[22:38] <duncan-nz> ah, well. I'm not sure it does. I get four of the five pretty icons then nothing.
[22:38] <yofel> tertl3: "fps" ?
[22:38] <tertl3> first person shooter game
[22:39] <yofel> Thinkerer68: COMMAND > file 2>&1
[22:39] <yofel> that redirects stdout to file and stderr to stdout
[22:39] <Thinkerer68> Why not "COMMAND 2>&1 file"?
[22:41] <yofel> not sure, except that this doesn't do what you want
[22:42] <Thinkerer68> k thanks  :)
[22:42]  * Thinkerer68 is taking notes  :D
[22:42] <yofel> Thinkerer68: http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashGuide is a good read on bash
[22:43] <duncan-nz> yofel, that was exciting. Now I have a mix of the gnome (unity-2d) and plasma desktops running... interesting look.
[22:43] <yofel> o.O
[22:45] <darius> hi, when i shutdown it shows this ugly blue text-mode screen. is there a way to change the background color? say to black?
[22:46] <DarthFrog> duncan-nz: Wow! :-)  Post a screenshot, willya?
[22:48] <darius> anyone? that thing look like bsod, i hate it.
[22:49] <yofel> well, blue was choosen so we don't have ubuntus aubergine/violet
[22:49] <yofel> that's set somewhere in the plymouth theme I think
[22:51] <duncan-nz> DarthFrog, http://dl.dropbox.com/u/183092/Screenshot.png
[22:53] <darius> yofel, thanks.
[22:54] <duncan-nz> pretty huh?
[22:54] <DarthFrog> duncan-nz: Cute!  I wonder how functional it is?  It certainly is funky!
[22:54] <wafa> yofel
[22:55] <duncan-nz> doesn't work very well, simple things like layering windows and ALT-TAB don't work.
[22:55] <wafa> are you using ubuntu 10.10
[22:56] <yofel> nope, 11.04
[22:56] <yofel> duncan-nz: what session did you select on the login screen?
[22:58] <duncan-nz> unity-2d - but then I ran plasma-desktop. At least we know that the plasma desktop runs - I just can't get into it.
[22:58] <duncan-nz> unity-2d is Unity for older graphic cards.
[22:59] <duncan-nz> (a seperate upgrade from 10.10 to 11.04 said 5 hrs earlier, down to two now. so I will get to bed tonight after all)
[22:59] <Thinkerer68> Hooray! The "ureadahead-other" error is fixed  :D
[23:00] <yofel> er, sure... but then what the screenshot shows is the expected result
[23:00] <yofel> to login to kde you should select KDE Plasma Workspace on login
[23:00] <Thinkerer68> All I had to do was comment out the mountline for sdb1 in /etc/fstab
[23:01] <duncan-nz> yofel, yeah I guess so. I'm just glad that plasma works. I've renamed ~/.kde as DarthFrog suggested. I'll try logging in again to plasma and see if KDE it works this time.
[23:01] <Thinkerer68> Also, I didn't get any errors from Samba on this reboot  :-/
[23:01] <duncan-nz> yofel, remember I'm here because I couldn't log in to plasma. c u soon.
[23:01] <Thinkerer68> Hiya sithlord48   :)
[23:01] <sithlord48> hi
[23:06] <dobreic> i have xfonts installed i would like misc as Konsoles font, but Konsole is only displaying limited fonts, is there a way around this?
[23:11] <EldonG> Hey...I'm new to Linux...and Kubuntu...been running it for 3 days, now, and I figured this might be a good place to ask questions.
[23:12] <yofel> sure, fire away
[23:12] <DarthFrog> EldonG:  Ask away.  Answers are $1.  Correct answers are $10.  Dumb looks are still free. :-)
[23:12] <yofel> heh ^^
[23:12] <sithlord48> EldonG:  basicly
[23:13] <sithlord48> ah DarthFrog good to see another sith here ;)
[23:13] <EldonG> Right now, I'm upgrading to Lucid...I hope that's a good idea...
[23:13] <DarthFrog> EldonG: Lucid (10.04) is a LTS so, yes, it's a good idea.
[23:14] <sithlord48> what are you upgrading from ?
[23:14] <DarthFrog> !LTS
[23:14] <EldonG> ...I ultimately want to get a couple of games up and running through wine.  I have friends getting impatient.  :p
[23:14] <DarthFrog> EldonG: Do you know your games run well under WINE?  It can be quite tricky.
[23:15] <sithlord48> Good luck w/ that games on wine can be tricky , but it really depends on teh game
[23:15] <sithlord48> you sould look on teh appdb. over @ http://appdb.winehq.org
[23:15] <EldonG> I can start Guild Wars, but it has graphics issues.  I'm going to be upgrading my drivers...
[23:15] <DarthFrog> EldonG: www.winehq.org has a searchable database of apps/games, which tells you how well they run.
[23:16] <EldonG> Yup, been to winehq.
[23:16] <ronnoc> EldonG: I would also check out PlayOnLinux - It's a tweaked Wine for gaming
[23:16] <sithlord48> what video card do you have ?
[23:16] <EldonG> The other is D2.  Can't seem to get anywhere with it, so far.
[23:16] <DarthFrog> And PlaysOnLinux has an Ubuntu package.
[23:16] <sithlord48> DII works perfectly :D
[23:17] <sithlord48> i've managed to contain that game to a single archive i just open when i want to play
[23:17] <DarthFrog> sudo apt-get install playonlinux
[23:17] <EldonG> GeForce 9600m on my notebook.  1 gig of graphics memory.  :D
[23:17] <sithlord48> have you installed the properitary driver for that card ?
[23:18] <ronnoc> EldonG: http://www.playonlinux.com/repository/?script=5
[23:18] <[Relic]> Hello :)
[23:18] <EldonG> Darth...I need Lucid for that, am I right?  I've been using the apt-get...but the format seems changed...
[23:18] <DarthFrog> EldonG: Nope.
[23:18] <EldonG> I have the drivers...need to do the install yet.
[23:19] <sithlord48> what do u mean "have" ?
[23:19] <[Relic]> are there any find file programs?  it seems that it is no longer in dolphin in 11.04
[23:19] <ronnoc> EldonG: that link is for Guild Wars...it's a gold rating. you shouldn't have issues once your system is set up.
[23:19] <sithlord48> you should install them thru the additiontal drivers program (jockey)
[23:19] <EldonG> I downloaded the drivers...
[23:19] <EldonG> jockey?  Gah...
[23:20] <yofel> erm, the nvidia drivers? we don't really support installing them by hand. You can do so of course if you know how to do it
[23:20] <DarthFrog> EldonG: Don't download graphics drivers.  Use jockey-kde to install proper Ubuntu driver packages.
[23:20] <EldonG> Hmmm...is jockey a part of the package?
[23:21] <yofel> no, it's an application from the archive.  installed by default
[23:21] <yofel> jockey-kde or jockey-text
[23:21] <sithlord48> no jockey is the name of the program you can run it by pressing alt+f2 and using the command jockey-kde
[23:21] <EldonG> yofel...I was following instructions from the NVidia site...
[23:21] <ronnoc> [Relic]: <CTR> + F works in Dolphin
[23:21] <sithlord48> yea don't do that nvidia is wrong
[23:21] <yofel> EldonG: IIRC they recommend using the distro drivers too
[23:21] <yofel> but they'll have instructions on how to install  their drivers too ofc
[23:22] <EldonG> ok...cool...I'll do that.
[23:22] <sithlord48> they are more likey to work form jockey as thats the version tested w/ that version of *buntu
[23:22] <yofel> and we have pretty up-to-date drivers, at leats in natty
[23:22] <sithlord48> yofel:  he's installing lucid.
[23:22]  * yofel checks something
[23:23] <[Relic]> ronnoc, someone didn't put any options in the listing so all that showed was 20 of the same file name with no paths
[23:24] <BluesKaj> EldonG, I tried the drivers from the nvidia site , they're bogus on 10.10 and 11.04
[23:24] <[Relic]> Any idea when flash will be properly updated to the new version or do I just download and install it from the site?
[23:24] <sithlord48> relic you can use kfind also (you might have to install it first however i can't remember(
[23:24] <EldonG> Thanks...just tried jockey...dunno if it worked...we'll see soon.  :)
[23:25] <[Relic]> finding the options in a weird place worked so I could see the paths
[23:25] <sithlord48> relic, you can just reinstall the flashplugin-installer that should dl it for you
[23:25] <ronnoc> [Relic]: You can go into your settings and check the option "editable location bar" to make it easier to navigate around the results, or open a terminal ans use the "locate" command
[23:26] <ronnoc> sithlord48: good call also on KFind :) I forgot about that
[23:26] <EldonG> Hmmm...problem...do I need to use sudo jockey-kde?
[23:27] <James147_> EldonG: no
[23:27] <[Relic]> that installs 10.2 not 10.3 so that doesn't work to update flash
[23:27] <EldonG> it said I didn't have permissions.  :(
[23:27] <Thinkerer68> My Kubuntu desktop is back, thanks to yofel and James147_ . But the first time I logged in there was a dialog displayed that said "Akondai Self Test Errors" or something like that. Before I coud do anything with it, it disappeared! What to do?
[23:27] <sithlord48> [Relic] iirc it should dl the version from them and untar to the correct folder for you
[23:28] <sithlord48> EldonG:you can run it w/ kdesudo (but never sudo for gui programs )
[23:28] <James147_> Thinkerer68: ignore it until it comes back... if it comes back
[23:28] <sithlord48> althought it should ahve prompted for a password automaticly
[23:28] <yofel_> agreed
[23:28] <EldonG> Ah...I see.
[23:29] <ronnoc> [Relic]: Are you using Firefox?
[23:29] <sithlord48> ms.sith's machine has problems w/ FF4 and flash , for now she's using chromium, me i use rekonq and barely view flash in my browser anyway
[23:30] <Thinkerer68> James147: Okay, I'll ignore it for now, but what is the Akondai thing?
[23:30] <[Relic]> yep using FF was working till I tried reinstall
[23:30] <EldonG> hmmm...I think I need to wait until my update is complete.
[23:31] <EldonG> So...is there a good repository of all the Kubuntu commands and a general guide...perhaps a .pdf?
[23:31] <ronnoc> [Relic]: Install the FF plugin called FlashAid. you'l never worry about Flash in Kubuntu again. Even purges older versions automatically =)
[23:31] <sithlord48> EldonG:  yes you do only one package manager at a time
[23:32] <EldonG> cool.
[23:32] <ronnoc> because having multiple versions of Flash usually leads to disaster
[23:33] <gennro> I second FLash Aid
[23:33] <EldonG> so...any reason I shouldn't just run an upgrade to Natty, once I'm up to Lucid?
[23:35] <[Relic]> looks like that worked
[23:36] <ronnoc> [Relic]: cool
[23:36] <sithlord48> EldonG:  you might consider backing up your data and doing a fresh install ..  to many upgrades can have odd side effects (sometimes)
[23:36] <[Relic]> no more blocky oddness on the flash stuff I wanted to run
[23:37] <[Relic]> Thanks
[23:37] <ronnoc> [Relic]: np dude
[23:37] <EldonG> cool...not that I have much data to worry about...it's a pretty fresh install on a clean drive...(500 gigs.  I love my notebook.  ;)  )
[23:38] <Thinkerer68> thanks for all the help  :)
[23:38]  * Thinkerer68 AFK
[23:38] <sithlord48> well keep that in mind just incase
[23:38] <EldonG> Most definitely.  :)
[23:48] <EldonG> Ok...next question...I looked at the plethora of possibilities...recommendations for mounting an ISO?
[23:49] <sithlord48> mount -loop <iso> <mount point>
[23:49] <MrGizmo757> i Need help with some Printer problem. anybody available??
[23:49] <sithlord48> MrGizmo757:  waht kind of printer?
[23:49] <MrGizmo757> HP deskjet
[23:49] <EldonG> lol...I used to support those...but never in Linux.  :p
[23:49] <sithlord48> and what seams to be your issue?
[23:49] <MrGizmo757> i am having problems with printing pdf documents.
[23:49] <sithlord48> i fix them ...
[23:49] <sithlord48> only pdf's?
[23:50] <MrGizmo757> yes only pdf's  it will print everything else just fine but if i send a pdf to print My printer start acting strange and i get communication errors
[23:50] <EldonG> ...sounds like a driver issue...
[23:51] <sithlord48> you know MrGizmo757 i seam to recall  an similar issue w/ an HP LJ4000 we have at work . seams to work on natty just fine
[23:51] <sithlord48> MrGizmo757:  check if you have updates for cups or hplib
[23:51] <MrGizmo757> hplib     i couldn't get cups configured correctly
[23:52] <sithlord48> open a web browser and go to localhost:631 use that to set up cups
[23:54] <MrGizmo757> when i go to the localhost:631   when i click to add printer its asking me for a username and password.  i enter mine for the system and it dosent work.  what do i put here?
[23:55] <sithlord48> just put in your user name
[23:55] <sithlord48> and password
[23:56] <MrGizmo757> i did when i enter it it says forbidden.
[23:56] <sithlord48> but iirc that only works if that user has sudo access
[23:56] <EldonG> sithlord...is there a GUI you'd recommend for ISOs?  Perhaps multipurpose?
[23:56] <MrGizmo757> so do i need to log in as root?
[23:56] <sithlord48> um there is a service menu for dolphin you can get from get new stuff. open dolphin and under
[23:57] <sithlord48> MrGizmo757:  no the user just has to be able to use sudo
[23:57] <MrGizmo757> ok well i have sudo permissions.  But it still wont let Me.  dont know why it wont
[23:57] <sithlord48> EldonG: from dolphin settings-> configure -> services -> get new
[23:58] <sithlord48> MrGizmo757:  thats odd.
[23:58] <EldonG> Thanks.  :)
[23:58] <MrGizmo757> yeah tell me about it
[23:58] <MrGizmo757> thats why i asked about loggin in as root
[23:59] <sithlord48> MrGizmo757:  there is no root account by default in *bubntu