/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/05/14/#lubuntu.txt

Elwood_so all the text in title windows and the clock has disappeared.02:57
Elwood_what hap?02:57
Semitoneshey you folks -- i'm on 11.04 :)03:42
Semitoneshow are you all liking natty so far?03:42
jonathan__it's good but a bit buggy03:51
Semitoneshmm03:54
KM0201i'm having zero issues w/ lubuntu03:54
KM0201had a few issues w/ ubuntu (nothing insurmountable though)03:55
Semitonesi think it's kind of annoying that if I want to uninstall Cheese, i also have to remove lubuntu-desktop03:55
Semitoneswhat if some cool new program is backported to 10.0403:55
SemitonesKM0201, I tried to install 11.04 and the installer crashed :/03:55
Semitonesi wonder if it's reproducible03:56
KM0201Semitones: thats a metapackage.. uninstall cheese, it will not remove lubuntu-desktop03:56
Unit193Semitones: How much RAM do you have?03:56
KM0201Semitones: it does the same thing if you uninstall it from gnome, it wants to uninstall gnome-desktop03:56
SemitonesUnit193, how do I check? top?03:58
Semitoneslooks like 512 kb03:59
Semitoneser03:59
Semitoneslol mb03:59
Unit193The installer *should* run just fine on that...03:59
jonathan__there should be a no remove option04:00
jonathan__I think it's --no-remove04:00
KM0201jonathan__: thats still really irrelevant, removing lubuntu-desktop, does not uninstall lubuntu-desktop.... if you look, 90% of the time when you remove a package, it will want to remove that package.04:03
kalithlevhello, I can't seem to use alt+1 in the terminal, anyone know why?04:15
KM0201kalithlev: cuz its alt+f1?04:20
kalithlevi use irssi, you use alt+x to switch between channels04:20
kalithlevalt+2 and above works04:20
KM0201oh i thought you were tryin to get to console04:20
Unit193kalithlev: I think the lxterminal uses that shortcut (You would change it in the options)04:21
Unit193You can also use /win 104:21
kalithlevoh lxterminal uses it for tabs04:22
kalithlevi disabled it, now it works, thanks!04:22
Unit193kalithlev: Do you also use alt+a?04:22
kalithlevno, what's that for?04:23
kalithlevoh, I use it for screen04:23
Unit193Alt+a will go to the window with Act04:23
kalithlevoh, neat04:23
kalithlevhey, you guys know what happened to lxde.org?04:24
KM0201kalithlev: server probs04:24
Unit193kalithlev: Changing hosts and should be back this week(end)04:24
kalithlevphew! i'm trying lubuntu now after the unity fiasco04:25
Unit193kalithlev: How do you like it? (Have you tried any of the other *ubuntus?)04:26
KM0201poor unity.. it's the current target of every ubuntu users ire.04:26
Unit193KM0201: I know a few that like it04:26
KM0201Unit193: i actually kinda like it.. the prob is, my laptop.. it just choked it.04:26
KM0201my PC, i'm sure it can run it.04:26
KM0201but i've not gotten around to updating it yet.04:26
KM0201and i'm leerie, cuz of all the probs i'm reading about w/ nvidia drivers04:27
kalithlevi like lubuntu so far04:27
kalithlevbut is there anything to create launchers?04:28
KM0201kalithlev: for the panel, or the desktop?04:28
kalithlevdesktop04:29
KM0201kalithlev: there is, but it seems more difficult than necessary, so i just made panel icons04:29
Unit193kalithlev: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/FAQ04:30
kalithlevthanks04:31
kalithlevxml files open in chrome for some reason, can i change it to leafpad?04:38
kalithlevfound it, sorry04:39
mr-richHello. I'm trying to install lubuntu on a very old PII 266 laptop. Network is via pcmcia card that works under tinycore. I can see the lights flashing, but auto config for the netowrk always fails. Any help?04:44
mr-richthe laptop has 160MB ram and a 4GB HD ...04:44
mr-richI'm installing from the mino.iso ...04:45
mr-rich11.0404:46
kalithlevwhy do people keep such old computers? just curious :)05:00
Unit193Because they are not broken... (And if you find the correct OS, they will still do a little...)05:01
Unit193...Now I want to rename the ISO to mino....05:01
skritehey all, i am getting only white noise from the clementine music player. I think it uses gstreamer, but i have all the restricted-extras and such..05:06
skriteany ideas?05:06
mr-richkalithlev: it still works ... why not? :)05:14
mr-richany help w/the install?05:14
mr-richis there a boot option I need to put in for pcmcia?05:14
kalithlevoh thank god for the <monitor> option in lubuntu-rc.xml05:18
kalithlevdoes lxrandr save settings anywhere? i have to use a custom xrandr command now to set up my monitors05:20
kalithlevcan i use that instead of making a script execute my xrandr command?05:20
bioterrorkalithlev, I'm wondering the same. C2D's are nowdays junk06:23
kalithlevhm, chrome doesn't like lxde :( i can't get it to use my proxy06:28
KM0201kalithlev: id suspect thats more a configuration area.. .chrome works flawlessly here06:32
kalithlevin the chrome error log it says that it only support gnome/kde06:32
kalithlevi tried the env variable too, not working06:32
bioterrorFor other desktop environments, Chromium's proxy settings can be configured using command-line flags or environment variables. These are documented on the man page (man google-chrome or man chromium-browser).06:34
jmarsdenChrome?  Or Chromium?  Are people really installing the (closed, proprietary) Chrome into the free Lubuntu, instead of Chromium, and if they are, why is this being done?  Flash support, or something??06:34
kalithlevcommand line seems to work06:35
kalithlevso i can get google account sync06:35
bioterrorjmarsden, for most of the people they are same. another one just has funny blue icon06:37
jmarsdenbioterror: I sort of agree, but from a support viewpoint, we need to encourage clarity about which one someone is asking for help with; one is included in Lubuntu by default, and bugs in it can be fixed in the open source world; the other is not in Lubuntu, and bugs in it cannot be fixed by us.06:38
kalithlevoh chromium got syncing06:39
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kalithlevchromium seems to ignore http_proxy too06:42
EagleScreenhello06:42
EagleScreensynaptic says that i have all these auto-removable packages: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5957284/2011-05-13-124705_1440x900_scrot.png06:43
EagleScreencan I go ahead and remove them?06:43
bioterroryeah06:44
bioterrorgo with the flow!06:44
bioterrorthose are needed by the installer or something like that06:44
EagleScreenanother question: is there some kind of "inhibit powersave" applet like in Gnome for LXDE?06:44
bioterroryou're using laptop?06:45
EagleScreenyes06:45
bioterrorunplug power cable06:45
bioterrorTA-DAA!06:45
EagleScreenwhen i am with a presentation or watching a video, I would like to disable powersave features06:45
bioterrorthere you have gnome-power-manager when you unplug the cable from your laptop06:46
bioterrorand you can say to it that "always display icon"06:46
EagleScreenI already saw it06:47
jmarsdenbioterror: ... um... no way is libcheese needed by the installer :)06:54
jmarsdenDid you read his list??06:54
bioterrorquickly looked at it06:56
jmarsdenSome of them are the ones that are accidentally left in from the install, others I don't know where they came from, but they are not left around after an install when I test... so something else happened on that machine...06:56
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bioterrorjmarsden, apt-get purge has been singing ;)06:57
jmarsdenThere was a bug about removing some of the "left behind by installer" packages breaking encrypted home directory stuff, I think that was fixed in 11.04 but I am not sure... I would therefore be very wary about removing cryptsetup on machines with home dir encryption enabled.06:59
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EagleScreen_mine has home encrypted07:19
jmarsdenEagleScreen_: Did you reboot it after you removed cryptseup?  If not, I'd suggest   sudo apt-get add cryptsetup     just to be safe.07:20
jmarsdenEagleScreen_: if you already rebooted it and all is well without cryptsetup, then I'm just being over cautious :)07:23
EagleScreen_i want to do the test, but i can't reboot right now07:24
EagleScreen_i will tell the result07:24
jmarsdenNo!  If you test and it fails, you will lose all your home dir and be unhappy!07:24
jmarsdenJust do the     sudo apt-get install cryptsetup07:25
EagleScreen_but i have the passpphrase to decrypt07:25
EagleScreen_and i can install it from a Live enviroment07:25
jmarsdenYour choice.  Just don't blame me if you end up unable to get at your files in home dir.07:26
jmarsdencryptsetup is not a big package... I'd just install it and play safe.07:26
EagleScreen_and then.. how would we know if there is a bug in Lubuntu?07:27
jmarsdenTest it on a test machine, one with nothing of value in its /home .07:28
EagleScreen_like this one07:28
jmarsdenIf your machine has nothing of value in /home, why did you encrypt your home dir????07:29
EagleScreen_there isn't valuable data by the moment07:29
jmarsdenOK.07:29
EagleScreen_if all works ok, then will be07:30
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kalithlevi installed lubuntu on a new vm, and gksu won't accept my password... sudo accepts it08:38
jmarsdenkalithlev: Graphical sudo, so use gksudo.  IF you want graphical su, use gksu instead :)08:44
jmarsdenkalithlev: su would ask for the password of the root user, and there is no such password by default in Ubuntu, by design.08:44
kalithlevi'm just using the synaptic link..08:46
kalithlevi see it uses gksu08:46
jmarsdenkalithlev: Describe step by step what you are doing so I can try to reproduce the issue...?08:47
kalithlevi installed lubuntu with mini.iso and apt-get install lubuntu-desktop08:47
kalithlevrebooted, logged in and clicked synaptic08:47
jmarsdenHmmm.  OK.  Synaptic is not part of Lubuntu if you install it from the Lubuntu CD... which is what I do :)  Let me install synaptic in Lubuntu and then see if I can duplicate the issue...08:49
jmarsdenWait... my mistake.. it is there... and it works for me... hmmm.08:50
kalithlevweird08:50
bioterrorsynaptic.desktop had bug08:50
bioterrorit has gksu in fron of it08:51
bioterrorinstead of gksud08:51
bioterroro08:51
bioterrorI remember so08:51
jmarsdenkalithlev: If you click start -> Run and then type in   gksudo synaptic      does it work fine?08:51
jmarsdenbioterror: In 11.04?08:51
bioterrorjmarsden, at least in 10.1008:51
bioterrorI have not upgraded my wife's laptop to 11.04 :D08:52
kalithlevit works with gksudo08:52
jmarsdenkalithlev: Good.  are you running Nattty 11.04, or Maverick 10.10 ?08:52
bioterrorExec=gksu --description /usr/share/applications/synaptic.desktop /usr/sbin/synaptic08:53
kalithlevit should be 11.04, kernel 2.6.38 at least08:53
bioterrorsays 10.1008:53
jmarsdenkalithlev: To check, in LXterminal type the command     lsb_release -cd     # and tell me what it outputs08:54
kalithlevnatty08:54
bioterrorjmarsden, -rc! ;)08:54
jmarsdenOK... and where did you download the mini ISO for Natty?08:55
kalithlevhttps://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD08:55
kalithlev64bit08:55
jmarsdenbioterror: -ircd if you want :)08:55
bioterrorrelease and codename are good ;)08:56
bioterrorjmarsden, -a to rule them all!08:56
jmarsdenkalithlev: OK... I suppose I will need to try it and see if I can duplicate the problem here...08:56
kalithlevis http://people.ubuntu.com/~gilir/lubuntu-11.04.iso 32 or 64bit?08:57
bioterrorkalithlev, can you edit /usr/share/applications/synaptic.desktop08:57
jmarsdenkalithlev: 32bit.08:57
bioterrorthere's that exec= -line08:57
bioterrorreplace gksu with gksudo08:57
kalithlevi fixed it bioterror08:57
bioterrorhead_victim, you had previously gksu -problem with synaptic, dont I recall correctly?08:58
kalithlevis there a 64bit lubuntu iso?08:58
bioterroryes08:58
bioterrorI'm seeding it :D08:58
jmarsdenkalithlev: No official one, but Kendall created an unofficial one08:58
jmarsdenbioterror: ALWAYS make it clear that it is an unofficial ISO, please... :)08:59
bioterrorhttp://linuxtracker.org/index.php?page=torrent-details&id=b29819701aedf1470ee098112fb2003eb881da2508:59
bioterrorjmarsden, it does the job08:59
jmarsdenbioterror: Indeed, and Kendall has specifically requested that we make it clear it is unofficial when we point to it.  Respect his wishes, and mine.08:59
bioterrortechnically that download link should have been posted to https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-dev mailing list09:01
bioterrorwhen you create one :-----D09:01
jmarsdenWhen and if I create one for 11.04 (I may just wait for 11.10), I'll post a link to it somewhere you will see it :)09:03
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leszekhi14:27
stlsaintleszek: sup14:30
mr-richHello. I'm trying to install lubuntu on a very old PII 266 laptop. Network is via pcmcia card that works under tinycore. I can see the lights flashing, but auto config for the netowrk always fails. Any help?14:51
mr-richthe laptop has 160MB ram and a 4GB HD ...14:52
mr-richI'm installing from the mino.iso ...14:52
mr-rich11.0414:52
bioterrorsudo ifconfig eth0 down14:53
bioterrorsudo ifconfig eth0 up14:53
bioterrorsudo dhclient eth014:53
bioterroror what evern your ethernet is if it's not eth0 ;)14:54
mr-richbioterror: This happens during install of the mini.iso. It is trying to discover the dhcp server and for some reason, it can't ... I can see the the lights flashing on the pcmcia card, but it never gets an address.14:59
bioterrorwhat ifconfig says?15:00
bioterrorbut to be honest, I'm interested in dhclient output instead of nm-applet15:00
mr-richwhen I switch to a console and try ifconfig, it sez command not found ...15:00
bioterrorhow's that possibl15:02
bioterrore15:02
mr-richdonno ... I'm using the mini.iso for 11.04 ...15:03
bioterrormmm15:03
bioterroroh well mini iso :P15:04
bioterrorgotta think15:05
broboOk then, I'm joining the bug squad right now15:06
bioterrormr-rich, what's your PCMCIA card?15:08
broboSince I never did get a very clear answer yesterday, I want to double check one last time. I need to be joining the Ubuntu Bug Squad despite the fact that I want to be participating in the Lubuntu project, correct?15:11
bioterrorwe never heard what you can do, what you have done, in what you're good at and so on15:13
bioterrorso the good starting point is bug squad15:13
rob0917I've got "Lubuntu" fever !!!!15:13
bioterrorrob0917, you know what's the prescription15:14
brobook, even though I do have some programming experience I'm not confident that it's enough to code without hindrance to other people15:14
rob0917bioterror,  Just more 'Lubuntu'15:14
broboI'm following the OpenPGP Key guide on Launchpad. I follow the first two steps, but I don't see any keys under the "Personal Keys" tab in Passwords and Encryption Keys15:15
bioterrorbrobo, what I noticed is that you entered #lubuntu-offtopic slamming your suspenders and saying "I've got Lubuntu installed on VM, I want to contribute now!"15:16
brobowhich is one reason why I chose to follow your advice and join the bug squad while I get more acclimated to Lubuntu. I've stated several times that this is my first time in a project like this, and so I may need more guidance. If I'm not welcome here let me know and I'll go my own way and leave you be.15:19
mr-richbioterror: Kingston EtherRx IC PC Card15:20
mr-richbioterror: this card works fine with tinycore ...15:21
bioterrormr-rich, lspci |grep Ether15:22
bioterrorcan you provide me the chipset it shows15:22
bioterrorprobably kne100tx15:28
mr-richbioterror: no entry in lspci for Ether ... card is not being detected ... ??15:28
bioterrormr-rich, dmesg |less15:29
bioterrorand search for it15:29
bioterroror just15:29
bioterrorlspci15:29
bioterrorsomewhere it should be15:29
bioterrormr-rich, sure you can boot that tinycore and tell it from there15:33
bioterrormr-rich, will you respond something15:43
mr-richbioterror: sorry ... had to step out for a minute ...15:44
mr-richbioterror: When I had other distros on there, I would hear a double beep telling me that pcmcia was active and the card had been detected ... I only hear 1 beep when booting the mini.iso ...15:46
jmarsdenmr-rich: for ifconfig... try running it as /sbin/ifconfig      in case you have a PATH issue?15:46
mr-richbioterror: also sez something about loading a "USB mass storage device" ...15:47
bioterrorpcmcia hard has nothing to do with USB15:47
mr-richbioterror: tried that, too ...15:47
bioterrorcard15:47
bioterrorgoogle gives nothing about that card15:47
bioterroronly windows drivers15:47
mr-richI'll boot tinycore and and see what it sez ...15:47
bioterrorhttp://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/dapper/en/man4/pcnet_cs.4.html15:49
mr-richbioterror: tinycore sez NE2000 compatible ...15:55
bioterrorhmmm15:57
bioterrordoes it give any specific chipset15:57
mr-richI'm downloading the lubuntu iso now ... I'll burn it tonight and try installing from there ...15:57
mr-richNot that I can see ...15:57
mr-richThis card has worked fine before ...15:58
bioterrorhttp://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/natty/man4/ed.4freebsd.html I'm not getting this :D15:58
EagleScreenLubuntu rebooted well after uninstalling cryptsetup with encrypted /home15:58
mr-richdamn ... gotta get ready for  work ... I'll try more tonight ...16:00
mr-richbioterror: Found the problem ... it involved 2 cats ... one mammalian, one cable ... :)16:43
bioterrorhahahaha16:44
bioterrorI would not take a room mate who sits on my keyboard, sleeps on my underwear/clothes, terrorizes sofa with "knives" and craps into a plastic box and after than spreads sand all over the place16:47
bioterrors/than/that/16:47
Ahmuckhi.  i'd like to remove chromium from my computer without removing lubuntu-desktop.  how can i accomplish this?16:48
bioterrorremove lubuntu-deskto16:48
bioterrorit's a meta package16:48
bioterrorit is used to pull bunch of packages16:48
bioterrorif you're going to upgrade your release, then it's first suggested to install lubuntu-desktop16:50
Ahmuckwill removing lubuntu-desktop cripple my lubuntu install?16:50
jmarsdenNo16:50
jmarsdenIt is just a list of other packages, no software is removed by removing lubuntu-desktop16:51
Ahmuckis there a term tool such as guake for lubuntu?16:51
bioterrorhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp/RemoveLubuntuDesktop16:51
Ahmuckhai hai, sudo aptitude purge lubuntu-desktop16:51
* Ahmuck customizing a desktop for my 70yr old aquaintance16:52
KM0201Ahmuck: i'm guessing you coud just install guake if you wanted to.16:55
KM0201it probably wouldn't work though16:55
bioterror    is a drop-down terminal for Gnome Desktop Environment16:56
bioterror:G16:56
KM0201Ahmuck: yea, it works in lubuntu, but wouldn't it be just as easy to make a keyboard shortcut to lxterminal?16:57
Ahmucki'm a key kind of guy, and lxterminal would require me clicking on a icon?16:57
Ahmucknm, i didn't read16:58
bioterroralt+f2 and type lxterm16:58
Ahmuckdoes lxterminal drop down and up out of the way?16:58
bioterroror bind something like super+t to launch your favourite terminal16:58
Ahmuckor always in the taskbar?16:59
bioterrordoes drop down mean "system tray"?16:59
Ahmucknope16:59
Ahmuckdrops down from top, with F12, esc rolls up16:59
KM0201Ahmuck: guake will work just fine if thats what you want...16:59
AhmuckKM0201 i'm happy to switch as it'd be one less program, but that drop down functionality is really important17:00
KM0201Ahmuck: well, i'm not aware of anything that does the drop down thing, except guake17:00
bioterrorAhmuck, http://ricecows.org/dropdown.png something like that?17:01
Ahmuckyakuake17:01
Ahmuckbioterror nope17:02
bioterrorhmmm17:02
Ahmuckbioterror, on the ubuntu side, it drops down with now menu bar in sight17:02
bioterrorA drop-down terminal pops up from the top of the screen in video game console fashion and can be toggled with a single hotkey.17:03
Ahmuckit's kinda nice17:03
Ahmuckyes yes17:03
bioterrorlike when you press esc17:03
bioterroryou get that terminal17:03
bioterroroh well, I learned something new17:05
stlsaintbioterror: i used to use guake until i discovered terminator then screen17:06
bioterrorterminator emulates not the way I like17:07
stlsaintbioterror: alright well what about screen?17:07
bioterrorI have some function key bindings in .screenrc17:07
bioterrorotherwise it's stock17:08
bioterrornowdays people says tmux > screen17:08
stlsaintbioterror: SCREEN FTW!! lol17:08
stlsaintscreen is invaluable with a server and ssh17:08
bioterrorthat's why I have screen windows 0 in f1, 1 in f2 and so on17:09
bioterrorhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Dwi9qCULHI horrible desktop17:10
bioterrorthat's like watching powerpoint show from hell17:10
Ahmuckbtw, looking over sylpheed, it looks nice and simple17:19
Ahmucksudo aptitude purge xfburn17:30
AhmuckThe following packages will be REMOVED:17:30
Ahmuck  libburn4{u} libexo-1-0{u} libexo-common{u} libisofs6{u} libxfce4util-common{u} libxfce4util4{u} libxfcegui4-4{u}17:30
Ahmuck  xfburn{p} xfce-keyboard-shortcuts{u}17:30
Ahmucki noticed xfc-gui.  doing this action is going to kill my gui?17:30
Ahmuck-Jrsooo ... i want lxterm to fire up with F12.  in lubuntu i can bind a key to lxterm?17:46
Ahmuck-Jri've almost got lubuntu stripped down17:47
KM0201how old is this machine that you're putting it on, that you want it stripped down so much (you mentioned it was for a 70yr old, so i'm curious how good "stripped down" would be)17:48
KM0201Ahmuck-Jr: why don't you just instal guake, if that functionality is that important to you?...17:49
jmarsden70 year olds who can't live withour guake?  Interesting! :)17:52
Ahmuck-JrKM0201: browser, office suite, e-mail client, file manager17:56
KM0201ok.. well, guake isn't gonna take up much space, if you want it.17:56
Ahmuck-Jrthe term is for me, not for the 70yr elder17:56
Ahmuck-JrKM ya, i might do that.  i like lxterm however17:58
Ahmuck-Jri'm looking for a unity type of bar in lubuntu.  in ubuntu i've set up my desktop with an extra taskbar because unity did not provide me with enough functionality18:01
KM0201Ahmuck-Jr: not really sure there's a "unity like bar" in lxde... you could probably make one though18:03
Ahmuck-Jrnm, got it18:05
Ahmuck-Jrjust added a new panel18:06
KM0201thats what i was gonna suggest18:06
KM0201you coud even put it on the side, add icons or whatever, make it slightly transparent, etc,.18:06
Ahmuck-Jrhow do you load program icons into it?18:09
KM0201add panel...18:09
KM0201then panel applets, then add "Application launch bar".18:09
KM0201then once that is added, go to panel applets, highlight it, choose "edit" and add the programs you want18:10
Ahmuck-Jrah18:10
KM0201brilliantly simple18:10
KM0201lol18:10
Ahmuck-Jrnot like selecting /usr/bin/firefox18:10
KM0201i'm not sure how you'd add a custm launcher to it.. neer tried.18:11
Ahmuck-Jri'll post a pic later18:13
bioterrorAhmuck-Jr, how about docky or another that kind of thingy18:14
* Ahmuck-Jr found a bug18:15
bioterrorhttp://lubuntu.net/blog/lubuntu-screencast-turn-lubuntu-ubuntu-look some panel guidance18:16
Ahmuck-Jrbioterror: thx, am looking at docky now.  i've replicated unity functionality already, however there are some focus bugs as well as ordering bugs18:17
* Dackel congratulates the developers on a little OS for perfect working on travel 18:17
bioterrorAhmuck-Jr, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CairoDock18:17
Ahmuck-Jris docky a cairo dock?18:20
* Ahmuck-Jr is looking to refurb some 600mhz computes18:20
bioterrorwhere do you guys get all those computers18:21
bioterrorare you like working in a museum of ancient hardware? ;)18:21
bioterrorplace where I work just recycled all the 19" LCD's ;)18:23
Ahmuck-Jrbioterror: is docky == cairo dock?18:25
bioterrorno18:25
bioterrorthere's AWN, Docky and Cairo-Dock18:26
bioterrorwhat I know18:26
bioterrorall OS X kind of "panels"18:26
bioterrorfor launching applications18:26
Ahmuck-Jrand unity :)18:27
Ahmuck-Jroh, i forgot, enlightenment18:27
bioterrorE17 is18:27
bioterrorE Dr1718:28
Ahmuck-Jrthe panel launcher acutally works well for older people18:28
bioterrorit's huge pile of dung18:28
Ahmuck-Jrtaking away options works well18:28
Ahmuck-Jrand simple options18:28
bioterrorhahah "kiosk mode"18:28
Ahmuck-Jrand i'm getting older as well, however i'm falling back into the cl world18:28
Ahmuck-Jrgeratric computing18:29
bioterrorit could be okay if by pressing power button it boots directly to desktop and launches browser and email client ;)18:29
bioterrorand when acpid listens for the power button and shutdowns if pressed again18:29
* Ahmuck-Jr thinks somebody tried that18:29
Ahmuck-Jrbut it failed a bit18:29
bioterrorwhen my parenst turns 70, I'll do that18:30
Ahmuck-Jri don't recall why, perhaps there wasn't enough soy in people's food to make them that dim yet18:30
bioterrorhmmm18:30
* Ahmuck-Jr has older people writing for a community magazine18:30
bioterrorAhmuck-Jr, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CeZlih4DDNg18:30
Ahmuck-Jrso it's got to be simple.  my 99yr old grandfather can still read and I think he could move around project gutenberg18:31
Ahmuck-Jrone could say i'm programming for my future :)18:31
Ahmuck-Jrautomated backups are something i need to look at now18:32
bioterrorprobably rsync18:33
Ahmuck-Jrin that i need a gui18:33
Ahmuck-Jrhrm, maybe not18:33
Ahmuck-Jris unity it's own thing?  or is it based from something else18:34
bioterrorI've tried 6months to do backup script18:34
bioterrorI dunno where's my motivation18:34
kalithlevWhen i start my computer, lxdm complains that the gnome session is missing, and it's using a fallback session (lxde). How can I make it start Lubuntu?18:35
bioterrorhmm18:35
Ahmuck-Jrhrm, so, i see unity2d, and docky has the niceest screenshots18:35
kalithlevi installed plain ubuntu first, cursed about unity and installed lubuntu-desktop18:35
bioterrorkalithlev, do you have autologin in use?18:35
kalithlevyes bioterror18:36
bioterrorkalithlev, disable that?18:36
bioterrorif that works18:36
Ahmuck-Jri logged out and picked ubuntu classic18:36
bioterrorAhmuck-Jr, unity needs compiz18:36
kalithlevthe lxde config file says session=startlubuntu18:36
Ahmuck-Jrunity is a nice directional step, but it's customizabilty is limited.  for one, it hides itself18:36
bioterrorawn or docky should work with dcompmgr18:36
kalithlevlxdm*18:37
bioterrorkalithlev, /etc/lxdm/default.conf18:37
bioterrorand lxdm.conf18:37
bioterrorput # (hashmark) in front of autologin -line18:38
kalithlevi did, going to try rebooting18:38
bioterrorno need for reboot18:38
bioterrorsudo service lxdm restart18:38
bioterrorwe are not using windows, right?18:38
Ahmuck-Jrerk, docky is all tied up with mono18:40
Ahmuck-Jru know a "desktop restart button" or "refresh" button would be nice18:40
kalithlevit works like i want it to be without autologin, lubuntu is default18:41
kalithlevhow can i get autologin to start the lubuntu session?18:42
bioterrorkalithlev, did you get rid of that message?18:42
kalithlevyes18:42
bioterrorgood18:42
Ahmuck-Jrso does lubuntu have an installation mode where one can subtract/add programs via scirpt before installation of lubuntu?18:45
bioterrorno18:45
Ahmuck-Jra custom program selection list?18:45
bioterrorit's a complete package18:45
Ahmuck-Jrlooks like AWN needs a composting manager, (one suggested was Cairo (assume CairoDock is based on Cairo))18:46
bioterrorAhmuck-Jr, dcompmgr18:46
Ahmuck-Jrsudo aptitude purge docky18:47
Ahmuck-Jrer, sorry18:47
Ahmuck-Jr@#$#%@# ... i need my F12 drop down18:50
meetingologyAhmuck-Jr: Error: "#$#%@#" is not a valid command.18:50
bioterrorhahaha18:51
bioterrorhow we could do a funny dropdown hack18:51
bioterrorI have to think about that18:55
Ahmuck-Jri'm not sure why, but when "edit" applicaiton bar, the resulting window opens behind18:56
KM0201Ahmuck-Jr: its done that to me before to.18:57
Ahmuck-Jrwhen sorting using up/down, the icon bar and the list sometimes don't match and it takes it a sec or two to get things working right18:57
KM0201i just move crap around18:57
Ahmuck-Jrnot exptected behavior18:57
KM0201never had that prob.18:57
bioterrorAhmuck-Jr, I know a hack18:57
bioterrorI think I'll18:58
bioterrortry first19:00
Ahmuck-Jrbbl.  going to move office home so i can do more OSS work19:02
Ahmuck-Jrtoday19:02
bioterrorhmmmmm19:04
Ahmuck-JrSylpheed is the best choice in e-mail client imho.  It's nice, simple, cross platform.19:06
Ahmuck-Jrsuggestion for a screenshot program?19:08
bioterrorscrot19:09
bioterrorin lubuntu it's binded to prtscrn19:09
yateendraI'm interested in installing lubuntu on an acer travelmate 505DX with 160M RAM, NeoMagic video driver. There is no native ethernet (said to be required for alternate install), but I have a USB ether adaptor and a wireless adaptor. Can I install?19:10
bioterrorgive it a shot :D19:10
yateendraAny idea of whether the alternate install program can recognize and install USB drivers? The USB wi-fi was recognized natively by win2k (if memory serves). Wifi would be the easiest way.19:12
KM0201yateendra: it depends... my wireless device(internal) is supported the alternate install cd... but i imagine it is in the minority19:13
KM0201yateendra: you could try the minimal install cd... as it installs the kernel, then boots an install process similar to the alt. cd.19:13
yateendraThanks for the suggestion of using the mini-install. I think I got mixed up with my terms (mini versus alternate install). I believe mini install is the one recommended for my (low RAM) situation anyway.19:15
bioterrorAhmuck-Jr, I'm trying to figure out how "yeahconsole" works. that's what you want19:15
bioterrorOH YEAH19:17
bioterrorI have now awesome dropdown terminal19:17
bioterrorwith URxvt19:17
bioterrorwith F12 it comes down19:17
yateendraThanks, all, for your assistance. It's great to be able to talk here with a low-bandwidth modem connection!! :).19:17
bioterrorF11 puts it full screen19:17
bioterrorand no stupid 3D effects or anything19:18
bioterrorAhmuck-Jr, sudo apt-get install yeahconsole19:18
bioterrorAhmuck-Jr, http://paste.ubuntu.com/607498/ add those lines to your .Xdefaults19:18
bioterrorAhmuck-Jr, launch yeahconsole into background and press F1219:19
bioterrorAhmuck-Jr, you're then ready to roll19:19
bioterrorAhmuck-Jr, I'm using rxvt-unicode19:20
bioterror!next19:23
bioterrorAhmuck-Jr, did you get what I wrote?19:36
Ahmuck-Jrhttp://imagebin.org/15331119:36
Ahmuck-Jrdoubt it19:36
bioterrorI gave you a dropdown terminal19:36
Ahmuck-Jrwhen i try to change the background to a flat color, it causes the monitor to fill with jibberish19:36
Ahmuck-Jrso i had to re-boot19:36
KM0201Ahmuck-Jr: i think thats a bug...19:37
KM0201i had the same prob.19:37
KM0201Ahmuck-Jr: just create a .jpg with the flat color of choice...19:37
bioterrorSat21:18 <bioterror> Ahmuck-Jr, sudo apt-get install yeahconsole19:38
bioterrorSat21:19 <bioterror> Ahmuck-Jr, http://paste.ubuntu.com/607498/ add those lines to your .Xdefaults19:38
bioterrorSat21:19 <bioterror> Ahmuck-Jr, launch yeahconsole into background and press F1219:38
bioterrorSat21:19 <bioterror> Ahmuck-Jr, you're then ready to roll19:38
bioterrorAhmuck-Jr, replace urxvt with your desired terminal19:39
Ahmuck-Jrwhat is yeahconsole?19:40
bioterrordropdownmenu19:40
bioterrorasdasd19:41
bioterrordropdown terminal19:41
bioterrorlightweight19:41
bioterrordo as I told and you're a happy camper19:41
GreenDanceHi19:41
bioterrorGreenDance, hi19:41
GreenDanceI was wondering, on a minimal install of ubuntu and LXDE, LXDE has a "other" in the menu with the sub-menu having "openbox", but in lubuntu this has been removed from the menu, I was wondering how it was done please?19:43
Ahmuck-Jrthx bioterror, i'll do as I told :)19:43
Ahmuck-Jrbioterror: seen ylmf linux?19:44
GreenDancei could post/link to a screenshot showing what I mean if it makes my question any easier19:44
Ahmuck-Jrvery fast openbox implementation.  couldn't nuetuer it satisfactorily so i moved back to lubuntu.19:45
Ahmuck-Jrparticuallry firefox19:46
* Ahmuck-Jr needs spellchecking in irssi19:47
Ahmuck-Jrl8r, packing the office up.19:47
bioterrorAhmuck-Jr, did you get it working?19:47
bioterrorGreenDance, gimme a screenshot19:47
GreenDancebioterror: http://i.imgur.com/7apxR.png19:52
bioterrorGreenDance, probably becouse of /usr/share/applications/openbox.desktop19:55
GreenDanceis that safe to delete?19:56
bioterrorhttp://paste.ubuntu.com/607507/19:56
bioterrorthat's what lubuntu has19:56
bioterrorwhat you have?19:56
GreenDanceyes19:57
bioterroris your file same?19:57
GreenDanceyes19:58
bioterrorhmmm19:58
bioterrorstill wondering that :D20:03
Ahmuck-Jrhttp://imagebin.org/153316 - panel nasties20:05
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bioterrorthoho20:06
bioterrorAhmuck-Jr, fix that dropdown now!20:06
Ahmuck-Jrfound the background image bug problem ... seems like it has something to do with solid color rendering and perhaps opacity settings.  it happens on the panel as well20:08
Ahmuck-Jrwhich prevents panel resizing because you get double image unless you edit the panel img.  a gradiant might work here with a solid color, but may add overhead to the desktop code (?)20:09
bioterrorhey, now that dropdown terminal!! ;D20:10
Ahmuck-Jryes20:10
bioterrorI spent 30mins of my life for that20:10
Ahmuck-Jrkk, i understand20:10
Ahmuck-Jrcan you post a txt file for the instructions, when i logged out i lost the instructions20:10
Ahmuck-Jri've not got irssi set up for logging yet20:11
Ahmuck-Jror a pastebin20:11
bioterrorhttp://paste.ubuntu.com/607513/20:12
Ahmuck-Jryeahconsole*term: urxvt20:17
Ahmuck-Jrer, sorry20:17
bioterroryou can use xterm20:18
bioterrormrxvt20:18
bioterroranything you want20:18
bioterrorrxvt-unicode is my weapon of choice20:18
Ahmuck-Jrclear20:33
GreenDancebioterror: are you still there?20:36
bioterrorda20:37
bioterrorwatching eurovision song contest20:37
GreenDanceI don't know if it's "ok" but I deleted openbox.desktop and it removes the link on the menu, but in lubuntu the file isn't deleted and it's not on the menu.20:38
bioterrorwell, technically it did the trick20:39
GreenDanceyeah, but will it cause any problems do you think?20:40
bioterrorwhy would it20:40
GreenDancei wasn't sure, just asking :)20:40
kristian_hi all21:28
kristian_the new Lubuntu I just upgraded to (11.04, I believe) looks great21:28
kristian_I even think it is a bit snappier than 10.10 was21:29
kristian_what's with the gradient look? Is it made with theming or has lxde/openbox been changed?21:29
Ahmuck-Jrkristian_: gradient where?21:35
kristian_hi Ahmuck-Jr21:36
kristian_the panel and the window frames21:36
Ahmuck-Jrkristian_: the panel is a jpg/png21:41
Ahmuck-Jrpng21:41
kristian_ah21:41
kristian_I gotta go21:41
kristian_see ya21:41
Ahmuck-Jrfwiw, working with unity for a short time, moving the menu bar up was a good idea, however, it became cluttered because the vanitiy icon, and title were not removed from the bar21:42
bioterrorAhmuck-Jr, does your dropdown terminal work?21:43
Ahmuck-Jrremoving the vanity icon and title would allow the max, min, close button to be moved to the left21:43
Ahmuck-Jrbioterror: nope21:43
bioterrorAhmuck-Jr, why not?21:43
bioterroryou add those settings to .Xdefaults21:44
bioterroryou start yeahconsole21:45
bioterrorand you press f1221:45
bioterrorcant be that hard21:45
bioterrorofcourse you have to install urxvt if you dont change it to your desired terminal21:45
Ahmuck-Jreahconsole*term: urxvt21:45
Ahmuck-Jryeahconsole*term:: command not found21:45
Ahmuck-Jrah21:45
Ahmuck-Jrkk21:45
bioterrorsudo apt-get install rxvt-unicode21:45
bioterroras I said21:45
bioterrorit would be smart also reload Xdefaults21:46
bioterrorxrdb -merge .Xdefaults21:46
Ahmuck-Jrso i notice that lubuntu doesn't have "search" or "locate"21:46
bioterrorAhmuck-Jr, find / |grep word21:46
* Ahmuck-Jr is a begginer at some of this stuff21:47
Ahmuck-Jrlook what a gui did to me21:47
bioterrorand if you want to use locate21:48
bioterrorupdatedb21:48
bioterrorbasic stuff21:48
bioterrorhi hyperair21:48
Ahmuck-Jrit would appear I don't have a .Xdefaults(?)21:49
hyperairhello bioterror21:49
bioterrorAhmuck-Jr, Sat21:19 <bioterror> Ahmuck-Jr, http://paste.ubuntu.com/607498/ add those lines to your .Xdefaults21:50
Ahmuck-Jrcreate .Xdefaults?21:50
Ahmuck-Jrcd /etc/X1121:50
Ahmuck-Jrtouch .Xdefaults21:50
bioterror.Xdefaults is located in ~/21:50
bioterrorAhmuck-Jr, it took from me like 5 minutes to fix it working :D22:03
bioterroryou cant still wonder that yeahconsole22:03
Ahmuck-Jrlooking at the buttons on windows, X should be far left, min next, and max outside right, then file menu, no vanitiy icon or title bar.  that would allow more screen space.  file menu should be visable with a visabilty toggle option upon mouse.22:14
Ahmuck-Jranywho l8r22:14
GreenDancehey bioterror22:17
bioterrorhey hey, my my22:17
GreenDancebioterror: did you know, the LXDE team have lost their domain name lxde.org22:18
bioterrorno they have not22:19
bioterrorwhois says pcman owns it22:19
GreenDancereally?22:19
GreenDanceoh22:19
bioterrorsudo apt-get install whois && whois lxde.org22:19
GreenDanceI don't see their website?22:19
bioterrorput |less too22:19
bioterrorthere's some code in the sauce22:20
bioterrormmmmm22:20
bioterrornow it shows that page22:20
bioterrorCreated On:02-May-2008 12:27:36 UTC22:21
bioterrorLast Updated On:09-May-2011 09:14:37 UTC22:21
bioterrorExpiration Date:02-May-2012 12:27:36 UTC22:21
bioterrorSponsoring Registrar:Answerable.com (I) Pvt. Ltd. (R1305-LROR)22:21
bioterrorStatus:PENDING TRANSFER22:21
bioterrorpending transfer :o22:21
bioterrorusually you get notified that domain is getting expired22:22
GreenDanceyeah22:22
GreenDancethat's what i thought22:22
bioterrorwhat a pity22:22
Ahmuck-Jri get auto renewal22:23
Ahmuck-Jrso i don't have to worry about it22:23
Ahmuck-Jrwhat registar r u using?22:23
bioterror   Registrar: CSL COMPUTER SERVICE LANGENBACH GMBH D/B/A JOKER.COM22:24
bioterrortwo of my domains says that joker.com22:25
bioterrorthird doesnt tell ;)22:25
Ahmuck-Jrdepending upon where it's registared at, if you used www.ldxe.org or ldxe.org in a finicial transaction or on paper with finicial transaction attached and you have a trademark, you should be able to claim trademark infringement22:25
Ahmuck-Jrand nullify the transfer22:26
GreenDanceif in deed the domain owner has lost his domain, it'll be expensive to get it back, or create a new domain which would be cheaper22:28
GreenDancenothing mentioned on their twitter http://twitter.com/#!/lxde22:30
GreenDancenothing even mentioned in the topic on their channel #lxde22:32
GreenDancenite everyone22:36
GreenDancethanks for ur help bioterror22:36
bioterrorgnight22:36
kosaidpohello guys22:37
kosaidpoi've dl the my-weather-indicato but it does nethin when i luache it :P22:38
bioterrorthen you have to look out from window22:38
kosaidpobioterror: didnt got you :P22:39
bioterrorkosaidpo, you have to walk near your window and look outside :D22:42
kosaidpobioterror: haaha and wht abt if i wanna kno abt tom n next days ?? LOL22:43
bioterrorthen you have to watch 22oo news from TV22:43
phillwkosaidpo: you have to log on and ask me :P22:43
bioterrorhaha :D22:44
kosaidpophillw: :D but ur weather isnt mine : ]22:44
phillwkosaidpo: the applet covers the globs, would you like to know the conditions in antartica?22:45
phillw*globe*22:45
bioterrorphillw, there's cold22:45
bioterrorI know!22:45
bioterrorand if I remember right there where kosaidpo lives, there's always too hot22:46
kosaidpophillw: ; ]22:46
bioterrortons of sand and sun is glowing 24/7 ;)22:46
bioterrorand where phillw lives, there only pours22:46
bioterrorsun never shines, only rain22:46
kosaidpono seriously its buggin :P22:47
kosaidpoits so hot here n sunny22:47
bioterrorkosaidpo, try manchester ;)22:47
* phillw ... hmm weather station at antartica is down :(22:47
kosaidpoi was talkin abt the real life not from the app this app its not wokin for me :D22:48
phillwkosaidpo: it works for me fine, not sure what the problem is :(22:48
bioterrorhttp://www.wunderground.com/global/stations/89009.html22:48
bioterror"I dont know but I've been told, escimos .. ... is mighty cold" :D22:49
bioterrorI love Full Metal Jacket22:49
kosaidpophillw: you meann weather indicator ??22:49
phillwWeather Report 2.28.022:50
bioterrorkosaidpo, did you know that penguigs are gathered together in antarctica and the male penguings are holding eggs on their feets22:50
bioterrorkeeping their little tux's warm22:51
kosaidpoyeh for almost 3 months thats we call be father22:51
kosaidpothey stay without food only few food in there mounth n when the lil kid comes to world they give him that food so wonderfull22:52
bioterrorand they doesnt divorce, like swans ;)22:52
kosaidpoidk swans in english :P22:52
bioterrorswans stays together too till the end22:53
bioterrorhttp://www.linutop.com/news/images/ConkyForecast.png why dont you fix yourself something like that22:53
szczurhi :)22:54
kosaidpobioterror: its nice tho but me u kno i want sumthin stay under my eyes ;]22:54
kosaidposzczur: hey22:54
Ahmuck-Jrwhomai23:51

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