[02:57] so all the text in title windows and the clock has disappeared. [02:57] what hap? [03:42] hey you folks -- i'm on 11.04 :) [03:42] how are you all liking natty so far? [03:51] it's good but a bit buggy [03:54] hmm [03:54] i'm having zero issues w/ lubuntu [03:55] had a few issues w/ ubuntu (nothing insurmountable though) [03:55] i think it's kind of annoying that if I want to uninstall Cheese, i also have to remove lubuntu-desktop [03:55] what if some cool new program is backported to 10.04 [03:55] KM0201, I tried to install 11.04 and the installer crashed :/ [03:56] i wonder if it's reproducible [03:56] Semitones: thats a metapackage.. uninstall cheese, it will not remove lubuntu-desktop [03:56] Semitones: How much RAM do you have? [03:56] Semitones: it does the same thing if you uninstall it from gnome, it wants to uninstall gnome-desktop [03:58] Unit193, how do I check? top? [03:59] looks like 512 kb [03:59] er [03:59] lol mb [03:59] The installer *should* run just fine on that... [04:00] there should be a no remove option [04:00] I think it's --no-remove [04:03] jonathan__: thats still really irrelevant, removing lubuntu-desktop, does not uninstall lubuntu-desktop.... if you look, 90% of the time when you remove a package, it will want to remove that package. [04:15] hello, I can't seem to use alt+1 in the terminal, anyone know why? [04:20] kalithlev: cuz its alt+f1? [04:20] i use irssi, you use alt+x to switch between channels [04:20] alt+2 and above works [04:20] oh i thought you were tryin to get to console [04:21] kalithlev: I think the lxterminal uses that shortcut (You would change it in the options) [04:21] You can also use /win 1 [04:22] oh lxterminal uses it for tabs [04:22] i disabled it, now it works, thanks! [04:22] kalithlev: Do you also use alt+a? [04:23] no, what's that for? [04:23] oh, I use it for screen [04:23] Alt+a will go to the window with Act [04:23] oh, neat [04:24] hey, you guys know what happened to lxde.org? [04:24] kalithlev: server probs [04:24] kalithlev: Changing hosts and should be back this week(end) [04:25] phew! i'm trying lubuntu now after the unity fiasco [04:26] kalithlev: How do you like it? (Have you tried any of the other *ubuntus?) [04:26] poor unity.. it's the current target of every ubuntu users ire. [04:26] KM0201: I know a few that like it [04:26] Unit193: i actually kinda like it.. the prob is, my laptop.. it just choked it. [04:26] my PC, i'm sure it can run it. [04:26] but i've not gotten around to updating it yet. [04:27] and i'm leerie, cuz of all the probs i'm reading about w/ nvidia drivers [04:27] i like lubuntu so far [04:28] but is there anything to create launchers? [04:28] kalithlev: for the panel, or the desktop? [04:29] desktop [04:29] kalithlev: there is, but it seems more difficult than necessary, so i just made panel icons [04:30] kalithlev: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/FAQ [04:31] thanks [04:38] xml files open in chrome for some reason, can i change it to leafpad? [04:39] found it, sorry [04:44] Hello. I'm trying to install lubuntu on a very old PII 266 laptop. Network is via pcmcia card that works under tinycore. I can see the lights flashing, but auto config for the netowrk always fails. Any help? [04:44] the laptop has 160MB ram and a 4GB HD ... [04:45] I'm installing from the mino.iso ... [04:46] 11.04 [05:00] why do people keep such old computers? just curious :) [05:01] Because they are not broken... (And if you find the correct OS, they will still do a little...) [05:01] ...Now I want to rename the ISO to mino.... [05:06] hey all, i am getting only white noise from the clementine music player. I think it uses gstreamer, but i have all the restricted-extras and such.. [05:06] any ideas? [05:14] kalithlev: it still works ... why not? :) [05:14] any help w/the install? [05:14] is there a boot option I need to put in for pcmcia? [05:18] oh thank god for the option in lubuntu-rc.xml [05:20] does lxrandr save settings anywhere? i have to use a custom xrandr command now to set up my monitors [05:20] can i use that instead of making a script execute my xrandr command? [06:23] kalithlev, I'm wondering the same. C2D's are nowdays junk [06:28] hm, chrome doesn't like lxde :( i can't get it to use my proxy [06:32] kalithlev: id suspect thats more a configuration area.. .chrome works flawlessly here [06:32] in the chrome error log it says that it only support gnome/kde [06:32] i tried the env variable too, not working [06:34] For other desktop environments, Chromium's proxy settings can be configured using command-line flags or environment variables. These are documented on the man page (man google-chrome or man chromium-browser). [06:34] Chrome? Or Chromium? Are people really installing the (closed, proprietary) Chrome into the free Lubuntu, instead of Chromium, and if they are, why is this being done? Flash support, or something?? [06:35] command line seems to work [06:35] so i can get google account sync [06:37] jmarsden, for most of the people they are same. another one just has funny blue icon [06:38] bioterror: I sort of agree, but from a support viewpoint, we need to encourage clarity about which one someone is asking for help with; one is included in Lubuntu by default, and bugs in it can be fixed in the open source world; the other is not in Lubuntu, and bugs in it cannot be fixed by us. [06:39] oh chromium got syncing === EagleScreen is now known as rafael === rafael is now known as EagleScreen [06:42] chromium seems to ignore http_proxy too [06:42] hello [06:43] synaptic says that i have all these auto-removable packages: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5957284/2011-05-13-124705_1440x900_scrot.png [06:43] can I go ahead and remove them? [06:44] yeah [06:44] go with the flow! [06:44] those are needed by the installer or something like that [06:44] another question: is there some kind of "inhibit powersave" applet like in Gnome for LXDE? [06:45] you're using laptop? [06:45] yes [06:45] unplug power cable [06:45] TA-DAA! [06:45] when i am with a presentation or watching a video, I would like to disable powersave features [06:46] there you have gnome-power-manager when you unplug the cable from your laptop [06:46] and you can say to it that "always display icon" [06:47] I already saw it [06:54] bioterror: ... um... no way is libcheese needed by the installer :) [06:54] Did you read his list?? [06:56] quickly looked at it [06:56] Some of them are the ones that are accidentally left in from the install, others I don't know where they came from, but they are not left around after an install when I test... so something else happened on that machine... === EagleScreen is now known as Guest25946 [06:57] jmarsden, apt-get purge has been singing ;) [06:59] There was a bug about removing some of the "left behind by installer" packages breaking encrypted home directory stuff, I think that was fixed in 11.04 but I am not sure... I would therefore be very wary about removing cryptsetup on machines with home dir encryption enabled. === Unit193 is now known as Unit193|AFK [07:19] mine has home encrypted [07:20] EagleScreen_: Did you reboot it after you removed cryptseup? If not, I'd suggest sudo apt-get add cryptsetup just to be safe. [07:23] EagleScreen_: if you already rebooted it and all is well without cryptsetup, then I'm just being over cautious :) [07:24] i want to do the test, but i can't reboot right now [07:24] i will tell the result [07:24] No! If you test and it fails, you will lose all your home dir and be unhappy! [07:25] Just do the sudo apt-get install cryptsetup [07:25] but i have the passpphrase to decrypt [07:25] and i can install it from a Live enviroment [07:26] Your choice. Just don't blame me if you end up unable to get at your files in home dir. [07:26] cryptsetup is not a big package... I'd just install it and play safe. [07:27] and then.. how would we know if there is a bug in Lubuntu? [07:28] Test it on a test machine, one with nothing of value in its /home . [07:28] like this one [07:29] If your machine has nothing of value in /home, why did you encrypt your home dir???? [07:29] there isn't valuable data by the moment [07:29] OK. [07:30] if all works ok, then will be === Mike is now known as Guest99743 [08:38] i installed lubuntu on a new vm, and gksu won't accept my password... sudo accepts it [08:44] kalithlev: Graphical sudo, so use gksudo. IF you want graphical su, use gksu instead :) [08:44] kalithlev: su would ask for the password of the root user, and there is no such password by default in Ubuntu, by design. [08:46] i'm just using the synaptic link.. [08:46] i see it uses gksu [08:47] kalithlev: Describe step by step what you are doing so I can try to reproduce the issue...? [08:47] i installed lubuntu with mini.iso and apt-get install lubuntu-desktop [08:47] rebooted, logged in and clicked synaptic [08:49] Hmmm. OK. Synaptic is not part of Lubuntu if you install it from the Lubuntu CD... which is what I do :) Let me install synaptic in Lubuntu and then see if I can duplicate the issue... [08:50] Wait... my mistake.. it is there... and it works for me... hmmm. [08:50] weird [08:50] synaptic.desktop had bug [08:51] it has gksu in fron of it [08:51] instead of gksud [08:51] o [08:51] I remember so [08:51] kalithlev: If you click start -> Run and then type in gksudo synaptic does it work fine? [08:51] bioterror: In 11.04? [08:51] jmarsden, at least in 10.10 [08:52] I have not upgraded my wife's laptop to 11.04 :D [08:52] it works with gksudo [08:52] kalithlev: Good. are you running Nattty 11.04, or Maverick 10.10 ? [08:53] Exec=gksu --description /usr/share/applications/synaptic.desktop /usr/sbin/synaptic [08:53] it should be 11.04, kernel 2.6.38 at least [08:53] says 10.10 [08:54] kalithlev: To check, in LXterminal type the command lsb_release -cd # and tell me what it outputs [08:54] natty [08:54] jmarsden, -rc! ;) [08:55] OK... and where did you download the mini ISO for Natty? [08:55] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD [08:55] 64bit [08:55] bioterror: -ircd if you want :) [08:56] release and codename are good ;) [08:56] jmarsden, -a to rule them all! [08:56] kalithlev: OK... I suppose I will need to try it and see if I can duplicate the problem here... [08:57] is http://people.ubuntu.com/~gilir/lubuntu-11.04.iso 32 or 64bit? [08:57] kalithlev, can you edit /usr/share/applications/synaptic.desktop [08:57] kalithlev: 32bit. [08:57] there's that exec= -line [08:57] replace gksu with gksudo [08:57] i fixed it bioterror [08:58] head_victim, you had previously gksu -problem with synaptic, dont I recall correctly? [08:58] is there a 64bit lubuntu iso? [08:58] yes [08:58] I'm seeding it :D [08:58] kalithlev: No official one, but Kendall created an unofficial one [08:59] bioterror: ALWAYS make it clear that it is an unofficial ISO, please... :) [08:59] http://linuxtracker.org/index.php?page=torrent-details&id=b29819701aedf1470ee098112fb2003eb881da25 [08:59] jmarsden, it does the job [08:59] bioterror: Indeed, and Kendall has specifically requested that we make it clear it is unofficial when we point to it. Respect his wishes, and mine. [09:01] technically that download link should have been posted to https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-dev mailing list [09:01] when you create one :-----D [09:03] When and if I create one for 11.04 (I may just wait for 11.10), I'll post a link to it somewhere you will see it :) === szczur_ is now known as szczur === szczur_ is now known as szczur [14:27] hi [14:30] leszek: sup [14:51] Hello. I'm trying to install lubuntu on a very old PII 266 laptop. Network is via pcmcia card that works under tinycore. I can see the lights flashing, but auto config for the netowrk always fails. Any help? [14:52] the laptop has 160MB ram and a 4GB HD ... [14:52] I'm installing from the mino.iso ... [14:52] 11.04 [14:53] sudo ifconfig eth0 down [14:53] sudo ifconfig eth0 up [14:53] sudo dhclient eth0 [14:54] or what evern your ethernet is if it's not eth0 ;) [14:59] bioterror: This happens during install of the mini.iso. It is trying to discover the dhcp server and for some reason, it can't ... I can see the the lights flashing on the pcmcia card, but it never gets an address. [15:00] what ifconfig says? [15:00] but to be honest, I'm interested in dhclient output instead of nm-applet [15:00] when I switch to a console and try ifconfig, it sez command not found ... [15:02] how's that possibl [15:02] e [15:03] donno ... I'm using the mini.iso for 11.04 ... [15:03] mmm [15:04] oh well mini iso :P [15:05] gotta think [15:06] Ok then, I'm joining the bug squad right now [15:08] mr-rich, what's your PCMCIA card? [15:11] Since I never did get a very clear answer yesterday, I want to double check one last time. I need to be joining the Ubuntu Bug Squad despite the fact that I want to be participating in the Lubuntu project, correct? [15:13] we never heard what you can do, what you have done, in what you're good at and so on [15:13] so the good starting point is bug squad [15:13] I've got "Lubuntu" fever !!!! [15:14] rob0917, you know what's the prescription [15:14] ok, even though I do have some programming experience I'm not confident that it's enough to code without hindrance to other people [15:14] bioterror, Just more 'Lubuntu' [15:15] I'm following the OpenPGP Key guide on Launchpad. I follow the first two steps, but I don't see any keys under the "Personal Keys" tab in Passwords and Encryption Keys [15:16] brobo, what I noticed is that you entered #lubuntu-offtopic slamming your suspenders and saying "I've got Lubuntu installed on VM, I want to contribute now!" [15:19] which is one reason why I chose to follow your advice and join the bug squad while I get more acclimated to Lubuntu. I've stated several times that this is my first time in a project like this, and so I may need more guidance. If I'm not welcome here let me know and I'll go my own way and leave you be. [15:20] bioterror: Kingston EtherRx IC PC Card [15:21] bioterror: this card works fine with tinycore ... [15:22] mr-rich, lspci |grep Ether [15:22] can you provide me the chipset it shows [15:28] probably kne100tx [15:28] bioterror: no entry in lspci for Ether ... card is not being detected ... ?? [15:29] mr-rich, dmesg |less [15:29] and search for it [15:29] or just [15:29] lspci [15:29] somewhere it should be [15:33] mr-rich, sure you can boot that tinycore and tell it from there [15:43] mr-rich, will you respond something [15:44] bioterror: sorry ... had to step out for a minute ... [15:46] bioterror: When I had other distros on there, I would hear a double beep telling me that pcmcia was active and the card had been detected ... I only hear 1 beep when booting the mini.iso ... [15:46] mr-rich: for ifconfig... try running it as /sbin/ifconfig in case you have a PATH issue? [15:47] bioterror: also sez something about loading a "USB mass storage device" ... [15:47] pcmcia hard has nothing to do with USB [15:47] bioterror: tried that, too ... [15:47] card [15:47] google gives nothing about that card [15:47] only windows drivers [15:47] I'll boot tinycore and and see what it sez ... [15:49] http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/dapper/en/man4/pcnet_cs.4.html [15:55] bioterror: tinycore sez NE2000 compatible ... [15:57] hmmm [15:57] does it give any specific chipset [15:57] I'm downloading the lubuntu iso now ... I'll burn it tonight and try installing from there ... [15:57] Not that I can see ... [15:58] This card has worked fine before ... [15:58] http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/natty/man4/ed.4freebsd.html I'm not getting this :D [15:58] Lubuntu rebooted well after uninstalling cryptsetup with encrypted /home [16:00] damn ... gotta get ready for work ... I'll try more tonight ... [16:43] bioterror: Found the problem ... it involved 2 cats ... one mammalian, one cable ... :) [16:44] hahahaha [16:47] I would not take a room mate who sits on my keyboard, sleeps on my underwear/clothes, terrorizes sofa with "knives" and craps into a plastic box and after than spreads sand all over the place [16:47] s/than/that/ [16:48] hi. i'd like to remove chromium from my computer without removing lubuntu-desktop. how can i accomplish this? [16:48] remove lubuntu-deskto [16:48] it's a meta package [16:48] it is used to pull bunch of packages [16:50] if you're going to upgrade your release, then it's first suggested to install lubuntu-desktop [16:50] will removing lubuntu-desktop cripple my lubuntu install? [16:50] No [16:51] It is just a list of other packages, no software is removed by removing lubuntu-desktop [16:51] is there a term tool such as guake for lubuntu? [16:51] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp/RemoveLubuntuDesktop [16:51] hai hai, sudo aptitude purge lubuntu-desktop [16:52] * Ahmuck customizing a desktop for my 70yr old aquaintance [16:55] Ahmuck: i'm guessing you coud just install guake if you wanted to. [16:55] it probably wouldn't work though [16:56] is a drop-down terminal for Gnome Desktop Environment [16:56] :G [16:57] Ahmuck: yea, it works in lubuntu, but wouldn't it be just as easy to make a keyboard shortcut to lxterminal? [16:57] i'm a key kind of guy, and lxterminal would require me clicking on a icon? [16:58] nm, i didn't read [16:58] alt+f2 and type lxterm [16:58] does lxterminal drop down and up out of the way? [16:58] or bind something like super+t to launch your favourite terminal [16:59] or always in the taskbar? [16:59] does drop down mean "system tray"? [16:59] nope [16:59] drops down from top, with F12, esc rolls up [16:59] Ahmuck: guake will work just fine if thats what you want... [17:00] KM0201 i'm happy to switch as it'd be one less program, but that drop down functionality is really important [17:00] Ahmuck: well, i'm not aware of anything that does the drop down thing, except guake [17:01] Ahmuck, http://ricecows.org/dropdown.png something like that? [17:01] yakuake [17:02] bioterror nope [17:02] hmmm [17:02] bioterror, on the ubuntu side, it drops down with now menu bar in sight [17:03] A drop-down terminal pops up from the top of the screen in video game console fashion and can be toggled with a single hotkey. [17:03] it's kinda nice [17:03] yes yes [17:03] like when you press esc [17:03] you get that terminal [17:05] oh well, I learned something new [17:06] bioterror: i used to use guake until i discovered terminator then screen [17:07] terminator emulates not the way I like [17:07] bioterror: alright well what about screen? [17:07] I have some function key bindings in .screenrc [17:08] otherwise it's stock [17:08] nowdays people says tmux > screen [17:08] bioterror: SCREEN FTW!! lol [17:08] screen is invaluable with a server and ssh [17:09] that's why I have screen windows 0 in f1, 1 in f2 and so on [17:10] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Dwi9qCULHI horrible desktop [17:10] that's like watching powerpoint show from hell [17:19] btw, looking over sylpheed, it looks nice and simple [17:30] sudo aptitude purge xfburn [17:30] The following packages will be REMOVED: [17:30] libburn4{u} libexo-1-0{u} libexo-common{u} libisofs6{u} libxfce4util-common{u} libxfce4util4{u} libxfcegui4-4{u} [17:30] xfburn{p} xfce-keyboard-shortcuts{u} [17:30] i noticed xfc-gui. doing this action is going to kill my gui? [17:46] sooo ... i want lxterm to fire up with F12. in lubuntu i can bind a key to lxterm? [17:47] i've almost got lubuntu stripped down [17:48] how old is this machine that you're putting it on, that you want it stripped down so much (you mentioned it was for a 70yr old, so i'm curious how good "stripped down" would be) [17:49] Ahmuck-Jr: why don't you just instal guake, if that functionality is that important to you?... [17:52] 70 year olds who can't live withour guake? Interesting! :) [17:56] KM0201: browser, office suite, e-mail client, file manager [17:56] ok.. well, guake isn't gonna take up much space, if you want it. [17:56] the term is for me, not for the 70yr elder [17:58] KM ya, i might do that. i like lxterm however [18:01] i'm looking for a unity type of bar in lubuntu. in ubuntu i've set up my desktop with an extra taskbar because unity did not provide me with enough functionality [18:03] Ahmuck-Jr: not really sure there's a "unity like bar" in lxde... you could probably make one though [18:05] nm, got it [18:06] just added a new panel [18:06] thats what i was gonna suggest [18:06] you coud even put it on the side, add icons or whatever, make it slightly transparent, etc,. [18:09] how do you load program icons into it? [18:09] add panel... [18:09] then panel applets, then add "Application launch bar". [18:10] then once that is added, go to panel applets, highlight it, choose "edit" and add the programs you want [18:10] ah [18:10] brilliantly simple [18:10] lol [18:10] not like selecting /usr/bin/firefox [18:11] i'm not sure how you'd add a custm launcher to it.. neer tried. [18:13] i'll post a pic later [18:14] Ahmuck-Jr, how about docky or another that kind of thingy [18:15] * Ahmuck-Jr found a bug [18:16] http://lubuntu.net/blog/lubuntu-screencast-turn-lubuntu-ubuntu-look some panel guidance [18:17] bioterror: thx, am looking at docky now. i've replicated unity functionality already, however there are some focus bugs as well as ordering bugs [18:17] * Dackel congratulates the developers on a little OS for perfect working on travel [18:17] Ahmuck-Jr, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CairoDock [18:20] is docky a cairo dock? [18:20] * Ahmuck-Jr is looking to refurb some 600mhz computes [18:21] where do you guys get all those computers [18:21] are you like working in a museum of ancient hardware? ;) [18:23] place where I work just recycled all the 19" LCD's ;) [18:25] bioterror: is docky == cairo dock? [18:25] no [18:26] there's AWN, Docky and Cairo-Dock [18:26] what I know [18:26] all OS X kind of "panels" [18:26] for launching applications [18:27] and unity :) [18:27] oh, i forgot, enlightenment [18:27] E17 is [18:28] E Dr17 [18:28] the panel launcher acutally works well for older people [18:28] it's huge pile of dung [18:28] taking away options works well [18:28] and simple options [18:28] hahah "kiosk mode" [18:28] and i'm getting older as well, however i'm falling back into the cl world [18:29] geratric computing [18:29] it could be okay if by pressing power button it boots directly to desktop and launches browser and email client ;) [18:29] and when acpid listens for the power button and shutdowns if pressed again [18:29] * Ahmuck-Jr thinks somebody tried that [18:29] but it failed a bit [18:30] when my parenst turns 70, I'll do that [18:30] i don't recall why, perhaps there wasn't enough soy in people's food to make them that dim yet [18:30] hmmm [18:30] * Ahmuck-Jr has older people writing for a community magazine [18:30] Ahmuck-Jr, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CeZlih4DDNg [18:31] so it's got to be simple. my 99yr old grandfather can still read and I think he could move around project gutenberg [18:31] one could say i'm programming for my future :) [18:32] automated backups are something i need to look at now [18:33] probably rsync [18:33] in that i need a gui [18:33] hrm, maybe not [18:34] is unity it's own thing? or is it based from something else [18:34] I've tried 6months to do backup script [18:34] I dunno where's my motivation [18:35] When i start my computer, lxdm complains that the gnome session is missing, and it's using a fallback session (lxde). How can I make it start Lubuntu? [18:35] hmm [18:35] hrm, so, i see unity2d, and docky has the niceest screenshots [18:35] i installed plain ubuntu first, cursed about unity and installed lubuntu-desktop [18:35] kalithlev, do you have autologin in use? [18:36] yes bioterror [18:36] kalithlev, disable that? [18:36] if that works [18:36] i logged out and picked ubuntu classic [18:36] Ahmuck-Jr, unity needs compiz [18:36] the lxde config file says session=startlubuntu [18:36] unity is a nice directional step, but it's customizabilty is limited. for one, it hides itself [18:36] awn or docky should work with dcompmgr [18:37] lxdm* [18:37] kalithlev, /etc/lxdm/default.conf [18:37] and lxdm.conf [18:38] put # (hashmark) in front of autologin -line [18:38] i did, going to try rebooting [18:38] no need for reboot [18:38] sudo service lxdm restart [18:38] we are not using windows, right? [18:40] erk, docky is all tied up with mono [18:40] u know a "desktop restart button" or "refresh" button would be nice [18:41] it works like i want it to be without autologin, lubuntu is default [18:42] how can i get autologin to start the lubuntu session? [18:42] kalithlev, did you get rid of that message? [18:42] yes [18:42] good [18:45] so does lubuntu have an installation mode where one can subtract/add programs via scirpt before installation of lubuntu? [18:45] no [18:45] a custom program selection list? [18:45]