[02:57] <Elwood_> so all the text in title windows and the clock has disappeared.
[02:57] <Elwood_> what hap?
[03:42] <Semitones> hey you folks -- i'm on 11.04 :)
[03:42] <Semitones> how are you all liking natty so far?
[03:51] <jonathan__> it's good but a bit buggy
[03:54] <Semitones> hmm
[03:54] <KM0201> i'm having zero issues w/ lubuntu
[03:55] <KM0201> had a few issues w/ ubuntu (nothing insurmountable though)
[03:55] <Semitones> i think it's kind of annoying that if I want to uninstall Cheese, i also have to remove lubuntu-desktop
[03:55] <Semitones> what if some cool new program is backported to 10.04
[03:55] <Semitones> KM0201, I tried to install 11.04 and the installer crashed :/
[03:56] <Semitones> i wonder if it's reproducible
[03:56] <KM0201> Semitones: thats a metapackage.. uninstall cheese, it will not remove lubuntu-desktop
[03:56] <Unit193> Semitones: How much RAM do you have?
[03:56] <KM0201> Semitones: it does the same thing if you uninstall it from gnome, it wants to uninstall gnome-desktop
[03:58] <Semitones> Unit193, how do I check? top?
[03:59] <Semitones> looks like 512 kb
[03:59] <Semitones> er
[03:59] <Semitones> lol mb
[03:59] <Unit193> The installer *should* run just fine on that...
[04:00] <jonathan__> there should be a no remove option
[04:00] <jonathan__> I think it's --no-remove
[04:03] <KM0201> jonathan__: thats still really irrelevant, removing lubuntu-desktop, does not uninstall lubuntu-desktop.... if you look, 90% of the time when you remove a package, it will want to remove that package.
[04:15] <kalithlev> hello, I can't seem to use alt+1 in the terminal, anyone know why?
[04:20] <KM0201> kalithlev: cuz its alt+f1?
[04:20] <kalithlev> i use irssi, you use alt+x to switch between channels
[04:20] <kalithlev> alt+2 and above works
[04:20] <KM0201> oh i thought you were tryin to get to console
[04:21] <Unit193> kalithlev: I think the lxterminal uses that shortcut (You would change it in the options)
[04:21] <Unit193> You can also use /win 1
[04:22] <kalithlev> oh lxterminal uses it for tabs
[04:22] <kalithlev> i disabled it, now it works, thanks!
[04:22] <Unit193> kalithlev: Do you also use alt+a?
[04:23] <kalithlev> no, what's that for?
[04:23] <kalithlev> oh, I use it for screen
[04:23] <Unit193> Alt+a will go to the window with Act
[04:23] <kalithlev> oh, neat
[04:24] <kalithlev> hey, you guys know what happened to lxde.org?
[04:24] <KM0201> kalithlev: server probs
[04:24] <Unit193> kalithlev: Changing hosts and should be back this week(end)
[04:25] <kalithlev> phew! i'm trying lubuntu now after the unity fiasco
[04:26] <Unit193> kalithlev: How do you like it? (Have you tried any of the other *ubuntus?)
[04:26] <KM0201> poor unity.. it's the current target of every ubuntu users ire.
[04:26] <Unit193> KM0201: I know a few that like it
[04:26] <KM0201> Unit193: i actually kinda like it.. the prob is, my laptop.. it just choked it.
[04:26] <KM0201> my PC, i'm sure it can run it.
[04:26] <KM0201> but i've not gotten around to updating it yet.
[04:27] <KM0201> and i'm leerie, cuz of all the probs i'm reading about w/ nvidia drivers
[04:27] <kalithlev> i like lubuntu so far
[04:28] <kalithlev> but is there anything to create launchers?
[04:28] <KM0201> kalithlev: for the panel, or the desktop?
[04:29] <kalithlev> desktop
[04:29] <KM0201> kalithlev: there is, but it seems more difficult than necessary, so i just made panel icons
[04:30] <Unit193> kalithlev: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/FAQ
[04:31] <kalithlev> thanks
[04:38] <kalithlev> xml files open in chrome for some reason, can i change it to leafpad?
[04:39] <kalithlev> found it, sorry
[04:44] <mr-rich> Hello. I'm trying to install lubuntu on a very old PII 266 laptop. Network is via pcmcia card that works under tinycore. I can see the lights flashing, but auto config for the netowrk always fails. Any help?
[04:44] <mr-rich> the laptop has 160MB ram and a 4GB HD ...
[04:45] <mr-rich> I'm installing from the mino.iso ...
[04:46] <mr-rich> 11.04
[05:00] <kalithlev> why do people keep such old computers? just curious :)
[05:01] <Unit193> Because they are not broken... (And if you find the correct OS, they will still do a little...)
[05:01] <Unit193> ...Now I want to rename the ISO to mino....
[05:06] <skrite> hey all, i am getting only white noise from the clementine music player. I think it uses gstreamer, but i have all the restricted-extras and such..
[05:06] <skrite> any ideas?
[05:14] <mr-rich> kalithlev: it still works ... why not? :)
[05:14] <mr-rich> any help w/the install?
[05:14] <mr-rich> is there a boot option I need to put in for pcmcia?
[05:18] <kalithlev> oh thank god for the <monitor> option in lubuntu-rc.xml
[05:20] <kalithlev> does lxrandr save settings anywhere? i have to use a custom xrandr command now to set up my monitors
[05:20] <kalithlev> can i use that instead of making a script execute my xrandr command?
[06:23] <bioterror> kalithlev, I'm wondering the same. C2D's are nowdays junk
[06:28] <kalithlev> hm, chrome doesn't like lxde :( i can't get it to use my proxy
[06:32] <KM0201> kalithlev: id suspect thats more a configuration area.. .chrome works flawlessly here
[06:32] <kalithlev> in the chrome error log it says that it only support gnome/kde
[06:32] <kalithlev> i tried the env variable too, not working
[06:34] <bioterror> For other desktop environments, Chromium's proxy settings can be configured using command-line flags or environment variables. These are documented on the man page (man google-chrome or man chromium-browser).
[06:34] <jmarsden> Chrome?  Or Chromium?  Are people really installing the (closed, proprietary) Chrome into the free Lubuntu, instead of Chromium, and if they are, why is this being done?  Flash support, or something??
[06:35] <kalithlev> command line seems to work
[06:35] <kalithlev> so i can get google account sync
[06:37] <bioterror> jmarsden, for most of the people they are same. another one just has funny blue icon
[06:38] <jmarsden> bioterror: I sort of agree, but from a support viewpoint, we need to encourage clarity about which one someone is asking for help with; one is included in Lubuntu by default, and bugs in it can be fixed in the open source world; the other is not in Lubuntu, and bugs in it cannot be fixed by us.
[06:39] <kalithlev> oh chromium got syncing
[06:42] <kalithlev> chromium seems to ignore http_proxy too
[06:42] <EagleScreen> hello
[06:43] <EagleScreen> synaptic says that i have all these auto-removable packages: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5957284/2011-05-13-124705_1440x900_scrot.png
[06:43] <EagleScreen> can I go ahead and remove them?
[06:44] <bioterror> yeah
[06:44] <bioterror> go with the flow!
[06:44] <bioterror> those are needed by the installer or something like that
[06:44] <EagleScreen> another question: is there some kind of "inhibit powersave" applet like in Gnome for LXDE?
[06:45] <bioterror> you're using laptop?
[06:45] <EagleScreen> yes
[06:45] <bioterror> unplug power cable
[06:45] <bioterror> TA-DAA!
[06:45] <EagleScreen> when i am with a presentation or watching a video, I would like to disable powersave features
[06:46] <bioterror> there you have gnome-power-manager when you unplug the cable from your laptop
[06:46] <bioterror> and you can say to it that "always display icon"
[06:47] <EagleScreen> I already saw it
[06:54] <jmarsden> bioterror: ... um... no way is libcheese needed by the installer :)
[06:54] <jmarsden> Did you read his list??
[06:56] <bioterror> quickly looked at it
[06:56] <jmarsden> Some of them are the ones that are accidentally left in from the install, others I don't know where they came from, but they are not left around after an install when I test... so something else happened on that machine...
[06:57] <bioterror> jmarsden, apt-get purge has been singing ;)
[06:59] <jmarsden> There was a bug about removing some of the "left behind by installer" packages breaking encrypted home directory stuff, I think that was fixed in 11.04 but I am not sure... I would therefore be very wary about removing cryptsetup on machines with home dir encryption enabled.
[07:19] <EagleScreen_> mine has home encrypted
[07:20] <jmarsden> EagleScreen_: Did you reboot it after you removed cryptseup?  If not, I'd suggest   sudo apt-get add cryptsetup     just to be safe.
[07:23] <jmarsden> EagleScreen_: if you already rebooted it and all is well without cryptsetup, then I'm just being over cautious :)
[07:24] <EagleScreen_> i want to do the test, but i can't reboot right now
[07:24] <EagleScreen_> i will tell the result
[07:24] <jmarsden> No!  If you test and it fails, you will lose all your home dir and be unhappy!
[07:25] <jmarsden> Just do the     sudo apt-get install cryptsetup
[07:25] <EagleScreen_> but i have the passpphrase to decrypt
[07:25] <EagleScreen_> and i can install it from a Live enviroment
[07:26] <jmarsden> Your choice.  Just don't blame me if you end up unable to get at your files in home dir.
[07:26] <jmarsden> cryptsetup is not a big package... I'd just install it and play safe.
[07:27] <EagleScreen_> and then.. how would we know if there is a bug in Lubuntu?
[07:28] <jmarsden> Test it on a test machine, one with nothing of value in its /home .
[07:28] <EagleScreen_> like this one
[07:29] <jmarsden> If your machine has nothing of value in /home, why did you encrypt your home dir????
[07:29] <EagleScreen_> there isn't valuable data by the moment
[07:29] <jmarsden> OK.
[07:30] <EagleScreen_> if all works ok, then will be
[08:38] <kalithlev> i installed lubuntu on a new vm, and gksu won't accept my password... sudo accepts it
[08:44] <jmarsden> kalithlev: Graphical sudo, so use gksudo.  IF you want graphical su, use gksu instead :)
[08:44] <jmarsden> kalithlev: su would ask for the password of the root user, and there is no such password by default in Ubuntu, by design.
[08:46] <kalithlev> i'm just using the synaptic link..
[08:46] <kalithlev> i see it uses gksu
[08:47] <jmarsden> kalithlev: Describe step by step what you are doing so I can try to reproduce the issue...?
[08:47] <kalithlev> i installed lubuntu with mini.iso and apt-get install lubuntu-desktop
[08:47] <kalithlev> rebooted, logged in and clicked synaptic
[08:49] <jmarsden> Hmmm.  OK.  Synaptic is not part of Lubuntu if you install it from the Lubuntu CD... which is what I do :)  Let me install synaptic in Lubuntu and then see if I can duplicate the issue...
[08:50] <jmarsden> Wait... my mistake.. it is there... and it works for me... hmmm.
[08:50] <kalithlev> weird
[08:50] <bioterror> synaptic.desktop had bug
[08:51] <bioterror> it has gksu in fron of it
[08:51] <bioterror> instead of gksud
[08:51] <bioterror> o
[08:51] <bioterror> I remember so
[08:51] <jmarsden> kalithlev: If you click start -> Run and then type in   gksudo synaptic      does it work fine?
[08:51] <jmarsden> bioterror: In 11.04?
[08:51] <bioterror> jmarsden, at least in 10.10
[08:52] <bioterror> I have not upgraded my wife's laptop to 11.04 :D
[08:52] <kalithlev> it works with gksudo
[08:52] <jmarsden> kalithlev: Good.  are you running Nattty 11.04, or Maverick 10.10 ?
[08:53] <bioterror> Exec=gksu --description /usr/share/applications/synaptic.desktop /usr/sbin/synaptic
[08:53] <kalithlev> it should be 11.04, kernel 2.6.38 at least
[08:53] <bioterror> says 10.10
[08:54] <jmarsden> kalithlev: To check, in LXterminal type the command     lsb_release -cd     # and tell me what it outputs
[08:54] <kalithlev> natty
[08:54] <bioterror> jmarsden, -rc! ;)
[08:55] <jmarsden> OK... and where did you download the mini ISO for Natty?
[08:55] <kalithlev> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD
[08:55] <kalithlev> 64bit
[08:55] <jmarsden> bioterror: -ircd if you want :)
[08:56] <bioterror> release and codename are good ;)
[08:56] <bioterror> jmarsden, -a to rule them all!
[08:56] <jmarsden> kalithlev: OK... I suppose I will need to try it and see if I can duplicate the problem here...
[08:57] <kalithlev> is http://people.ubuntu.com/~gilir/lubuntu-11.04.iso 32 or 64bit?
[08:57] <bioterror> kalithlev, can you edit /usr/share/applications/synaptic.desktop
[08:57] <jmarsden> kalithlev: 32bit.
[08:57] <bioterror> there's that exec= -line
[08:57] <bioterror> replace gksu with gksudo
[08:57] <kalithlev> i fixed it bioterror
[08:58] <bioterror> head_victim, you had previously gksu -problem with synaptic, dont I recall correctly?
[08:58] <kalithlev> is there a 64bit lubuntu iso?
[08:58] <bioterror> yes
[08:58] <bioterror> I'm seeding it :D
[08:58] <jmarsden> kalithlev: No official one, but Kendall created an unofficial one
[08:59] <jmarsden> bioterror: ALWAYS make it clear that it is an unofficial ISO, please... :)
[08:59] <bioterror> http://linuxtracker.org/index.php?page=torrent-details&id=b29819701aedf1470ee098112fb2003eb881da25
[08:59] <bioterror> jmarsden, it does the job
[08:59] <jmarsden> bioterror: Indeed, and Kendall has specifically requested that we make it clear it is unofficial when we point to it.  Respect his wishes, and mine.
[09:01] <bioterror> technically that download link should have been posted to https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-dev mailing list
[09:01] <bioterror> when you create one :-----D
[09:03] <jmarsden> When and if I create one for 11.04 (I may just wait for 11.10), I'll post a link to it somewhere you will see it :)
[14:27] <leszek> hi
[14:30] <stlsaint> leszek: sup
[14:51] <mr-rich> Hello. I'm trying to install lubuntu on a very old PII 266 laptop. Network is via pcmcia card that works under tinycore. I can see the lights flashing, but auto config for the netowrk always fails. Any help?
[14:52] <mr-rich> the laptop has 160MB ram and a 4GB HD ...
[14:52] <mr-rich> I'm installing from the mino.iso ...
[14:52] <mr-rich> 11.04
[14:53] <bioterror> sudo ifconfig eth0 down
[14:53] <bioterror> sudo ifconfig eth0 up
[14:53] <bioterror> sudo dhclient eth0
[14:54] <bioterror> or what evern your ethernet is if it's not eth0 ;)
[14:59] <mr-rich> bioterror: This happens during install of the mini.iso. It is trying to discover the dhcp server and for some reason, it can't ... I can see the the lights flashing on the pcmcia card, but it never gets an address.
[15:00] <bioterror> what ifconfig says?
[15:00] <bioterror> but to be honest, I'm interested in dhclient output instead of nm-applet
[15:00] <mr-rich> when I switch to a console and try ifconfig, it sez command not found ...
[15:02] <bioterror> how's that possibl
[15:02] <bioterror> e
[15:03] <mr-rich> donno ... I'm using the mini.iso for 11.04 ...
[15:03] <bioterror> mmm
[15:04] <bioterror> oh well mini iso :P
[15:05] <bioterror> gotta think
[15:06] <brobo> Ok then, I'm joining the bug squad right now
[15:08] <bioterror> mr-rich, what's your PCMCIA card?
[15:11] <brobo> Since I never did get a very clear answer yesterday, I want to double check one last time. I need to be joining the Ubuntu Bug Squad despite the fact that I want to be participating in the Lubuntu project, correct?
[15:13] <bioterror> we never heard what you can do, what you have done, in what you're good at and so on
[15:13] <bioterror> so the good starting point is bug squad
[15:13] <rob0917> I've got "Lubuntu" fever !!!!
[15:14] <bioterror> rob0917, you know what's the prescription
[15:14] <brobo> ok, even though I do have some programming experience I'm not confident that it's enough to code without hindrance to other people
[15:14] <rob0917> bioterror,  Just more 'Lubuntu'
[15:15] <brobo> I'm following the OpenPGP Key guide on Launchpad. I follow the first two steps, but I don't see any keys under the "Personal Keys" tab in Passwords and Encryption Keys
[15:16] <bioterror> brobo, what I noticed is that you entered #lubuntu-offtopic slamming your suspenders and saying "I've got Lubuntu installed on VM, I want to contribute now!"
[15:19] <brobo> which is one reason why I chose to follow your advice and join the bug squad while I get more acclimated to Lubuntu. I've stated several times that this is my first time in a project like this, and so I may need more guidance. If I'm not welcome here let me know and I'll go my own way and leave you be.
[15:20] <mr-rich> bioterror: Kingston EtherRx IC PC Card
[15:21] <mr-rich> bioterror: this card works fine with tinycore ...
[15:22] <bioterror> mr-rich, lspci |grep Ether
[15:22] <bioterror> can you provide me the chipset it shows
[15:28] <bioterror> probably kne100tx
[15:28] <mr-rich> bioterror: no entry in lspci for Ether ... card is not being detected ... ??
[15:29] <bioterror> mr-rich, dmesg |less
[15:29] <bioterror> and search for it
[15:29] <bioterror> or just
[15:29] <bioterror> lspci
[15:29] <bioterror> somewhere it should be
[15:33] <bioterror> mr-rich, sure you can boot that tinycore and tell it from there
[15:43] <bioterror> mr-rich, will you respond something
[15:44] <mr-rich> bioterror: sorry ... had to step out for a minute ...
[15:46] <mr-rich> bioterror: When I had other distros on there, I would hear a double beep telling me that pcmcia was active and the card had been detected ... I only hear 1 beep when booting the mini.iso ...
[15:46] <jmarsden> mr-rich: for ifconfig... try running it as /sbin/ifconfig      in case you have a PATH issue?
[15:47] <mr-rich> bioterror: also sez something about loading a "USB mass storage device" ...
[15:47] <bioterror> pcmcia hard has nothing to do with USB
[15:47] <mr-rich> bioterror: tried that, too ...
[15:47] <bioterror> card
[15:47] <bioterror> google gives nothing about that card
[15:47] <bioterror> only windows drivers
[15:47] <mr-rich> I'll boot tinycore and and see what it sez ...
[15:49] <bioterror> http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/dapper/en/man4/pcnet_cs.4.html
[15:55] <mr-rich> bioterror: tinycore sez NE2000 compatible ...
[15:57] <bioterror> hmmm
[15:57] <bioterror> does it give any specific chipset
[15:57] <mr-rich> I'm downloading the lubuntu iso now ... I'll burn it tonight and try installing from there ...
[15:57] <mr-rich> Not that I can see ...
[15:58] <mr-rich> This card has worked fine before ...
[15:58] <bioterror> http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/natty/man4/ed.4freebsd.html I'm not getting this :D
[15:58] <EagleScreen> Lubuntu rebooted well after uninstalling cryptsetup with encrypted /home
[16:00] <mr-rich> damn ... gotta get ready for  work ... I'll try more tonight ...
[16:43] <mr-rich> bioterror: Found the problem ... it involved 2 cats ... one mammalian, one cable ... :)
[16:44] <bioterror> hahahaha
[16:47] <bioterror> I would not take a room mate who sits on my keyboard, sleeps on my underwear/clothes, terrorizes sofa with "knives" and craps into a plastic box and after than spreads sand all over the place
[16:47] <bioterror> s/than/that/
[16:48] <Ahmuck> hi.  i'd like to remove chromium from my computer without removing lubuntu-desktop.  how can i accomplish this?
[16:48] <bioterror> remove lubuntu-deskto
[16:48] <bioterror> it's a meta package
[16:48] <bioterror> it is used to pull bunch of packages
[16:50] <bioterror> if you're going to upgrade your release, then it's first suggested to install lubuntu-desktop
[16:50] <Ahmuck> will removing lubuntu-desktop cripple my lubuntu install?
[16:50] <jmarsden> No
[16:51] <jmarsden> It is just a list of other packages, no software is removed by removing lubuntu-desktop
[16:51] <Ahmuck> is there a term tool such as guake for lubuntu?
[16:51] <bioterror> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp/RemoveLubuntuDesktop
[16:51] <Ahmuck> hai hai, sudo aptitude purge lubuntu-desktop
[16:52]  * Ahmuck customizing a desktop for my 70yr old aquaintance
[16:55] <KM0201> Ahmuck: i'm guessing you coud just install guake if you wanted to.
[16:55] <KM0201> it probably wouldn't work though
[16:56] <bioterror>     is a drop-down terminal for Gnome Desktop Environment
[16:56] <bioterror> :G
[16:57] <KM0201> Ahmuck: yea, it works in lubuntu, but wouldn't it be just as easy to make a keyboard shortcut to lxterminal?
[16:57] <Ahmuck> i'm a key kind of guy, and lxterminal would require me clicking on a icon?
[16:58] <Ahmuck> nm, i didn't read
[16:58] <bioterror> alt+f2 and type lxterm
[16:58] <Ahmuck> does lxterminal drop down and up out of the way?
[16:58] <bioterror> or bind something like super+t to launch your favourite terminal
[16:59] <Ahmuck> or always in the taskbar?
[16:59] <bioterror> does drop down mean "system tray"?
[16:59] <Ahmuck> nope
[16:59] <Ahmuck> drops down from top, with F12, esc rolls up
[16:59] <KM0201> Ahmuck: guake will work just fine if thats what you want...
[17:00] <Ahmuck> KM0201 i'm happy to switch as it'd be one less program, but that drop down functionality is really important
[17:00] <KM0201> Ahmuck: well, i'm not aware of anything that does the drop down thing, except guake
[17:01] <bioterror> Ahmuck, http://ricecows.org/dropdown.png something like that?
[17:01] <Ahmuck> yakuake
[17:02] <Ahmuck> bioterror nope
[17:02] <bioterror> hmmm
[17:02] <Ahmuck> bioterror, on the ubuntu side, it drops down with now menu bar in sight
[17:03] <bioterror> A drop-down terminal pops up from the top of the screen in video game console fashion and can be toggled with a single hotkey.
[17:03] <Ahmuck> it's kinda nice
[17:03] <Ahmuck> yes yes
[17:03] <bioterror> like when you press esc
[17:03] <bioterror> you get that terminal
[17:05] <bioterror> oh well, I learned something new
[17:06] <stlsaint> bioterror: i used to use guake until i discovered terminator then screen
[17:07] <bioterror> terminator emulates not the way I like
[17:07] <stlsaint> bioterror: alright well what about screen?
[17:07] <bioterror> I have some function key bindings in .screenrc
[17:08] <bioterror> otherwise it's stock
[17:08] <bioterror> nowdays people says tmux > screen
[17:08] <stlsaint> bioterror: SCREEN FTW!! lol
[17:08] <stlsaint> screen is invaluable with a server and ssh
[17:09] <bioterror> that's why I have screen windows 0 in f1, 1 in f2 and so on
[17:10] <bioterror> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Dwi9qCULHI horrible desktop
[17:10] <bioterror> that's like watching powerpoint show from hell
[17:19] <Ahmuck> btw, looking over sylpheed, it looks nice and simple
[17:30] <Ahmuck> sudo aptitude purge xfburn
[17:30] <Ahmuck> The following packages will be REMOVED:
[17:30] <Ahmuck>   libburn4{u} libexo-1-0{u} libexo-common{u} libisofs6{u} libxfce4util-common{u} libxfce4util4{u} libxfcegui4-4{u}
[17:30] <Ahmuck>   xfburn{p} xfce-keyboard-shortcuts{u}
[17:30] <Ahmuck> i noticed xfc-gui.  doing this action is going to kill my gui?
[17:46] <Ahmuck-Jr> sooo ... i want lxterm to fire up with F12.  in lubuntu i can bind a key to lxterm?
[17:47] <Ahmuck-Jr> i've almost got lubuntu stripped down
[17:48] <KM0201> how old is this machine that you're putting it on, that you want it stripped down so much (you mentioned it was for a 70yr old, so i'm curious how good "stripped down" would be)
[17:49] <KM0201> Ahmuck-Jr: why don't you just instal guake, if that functionality is that important to you?...
[17:52] <jmarsden> 70 year olds who can't live withour guake?  Interesting! :)
[17:56] <Ahmuck-Jr> KM0201: browser, office suite, e-mail client, file manager
[17:56] <KM0201> ok.. well, guake isn't gonna take up much space, if you want it.
[17:56] <Ahmuck-Jr> the term is for me, not for the 70yr elder
[17:58] <Ahmuck-Jr> KM ya, i might do that.  i like lxterm however
[18:01] <Ahmuck-Jr> i'm looking for a unity type of bar in lubuntu.  in ubuntu i've set up my desktop with an extra taskbar because unity did not provide me with enough functionality
[18:03] <KM0201> Ahmuck-Jr: not really sure there's a "unity like bar" in lxde... you could probably make one though
[18:05] <Ahmuck-Jr> nm, got it
[18:06] <Ahmuck-Jr> just added a new panel
[18:06] <KM0201> thats what i was gonna suggest
[18:06] <KM0201> you coud even put it on the side, add icons or whatever, make it slightly transparent, etc,.
[18:09] <Ahmuck-Jr> how do you load program icons into it?
[18:09] <KM0201> add panel...
[18:09] <KM0201> then panel applets, then add "Application launch bar".
[18:10] <KM0201> then once that is added, go to panel applets, highlight it, choose "edit" and add the programs you want
[18:10] <Ahmuck-Jr> ah
[18:10] <KM0201> brilliantly simple
[18:10] <KM0201> lol
[18:10] <Ahmuck-Jr> not like selecting /usr/bin/firefox
[18:11] <KM0201> i'm not sure how you'd add a custm launcher to it.. neer tried.
[18:13] <Ahmuck-Jr> i'll post a pic later
[18:14] <bioterror> Ahmuck-Jr, how about docky or another that kind of thingy
[18:15]  * Ahmuck-Jr found a bug
[18:16] <bioterror> http://lubuntu.net/blog/lubuntu-screencast-turn-lubuntu-ubuntu-look some panel guidance
[18:17] <Ahmuck-Jr> bioterror: thx, am looking at docky now.  i've replicated unity functionality already, however there are some focus bugs as well as ordering bugs
[18:17]  * Dackel congratulates the developers on a little OS for perfect working on travel 
[18:17] <bioterror> Ahmuck-Jr, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CairoDock
[18:20] <Ahmuck-Jr> is docky a cairo dock?
[18:20]  * Ahmuck-Jr is looking to refurb some 600mhz computes
[18:21] <bioterror> where do you guys get all those computers
[18:21] <bioterror> are you like working in a museum of ancient hardware? ;)
[18:23] <bioterror> place where I work just recycled all the 19" LCD's ;)
[18:25] <Ahmuck-Jr> bioterror: is docky == cairo dock?
[18:25] <bioterror> no
[18:26] <bioterror> there's AWN, Docky and Cairo-Dock
[18:26] <bioterror> what I know
[18:26] <bioterror> all OS X kind of "panels"
[18:26] <bioterror> for launching applications
[18:27] <Ahmuck-Jr> and unity :)
[18:27] <Ahmuck-Jr> oh, i forgot, enlightenment
[18:27] <bioterror> E17 is
[18:28] <bioterror> E Dr17
[18:28] <Ahmuck-Jr> the panel launcher acutally works well for older people
[18:28] <bioterror> it's huge pile of dung
[18:28] <Ahmuck-Jr> taking away options works well
[18:28] <Ahmuck-Jr> and simple options
[18:28] <bioterror> hahah "kiosk mode"
[18:28] <Ahmuck-Jr> and i'm getting older as well, however i'm falling back into the cl world
[18:29] <Ahmuck-Jr> geratric computing
[18:29] <bioterror> it could be okay if by pressing power button it boots directly to desktop and launches browser and email client ;)
[18:29] <bioterror> and when acpid listens for the power button and shutdowns if pressed again
[18:29]  * Ahmuck-Jr thinks somebody tried that
[18:29] <Ahmuck-Jr> but it failed a bit
[18:30] <bioterror> when my parenst turns 70, I'll do that
[18:30] <Ahmuck-Jr> i don't recall why, perhaps there wasn't enough soy in people's food to make them that dim yet
[18:30] <bioterror> hmmm
[18:30]  * Ahmuck-Jr has older people writing for a community magazine
[18:30] <bioterror> Ahmuck-Jr, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CeZlih4DDNg
[18:31] <Ahmuck-Jr> so it's got to be simple.  my 99yr old grandfather can still read and I think he could move around project gutenberg
[18:31] <Ahmuck-Jr> one could say i'm programming for my future :)
[18:32] <Ahmuck-Jr> automated backups are something i need to look at now
[18:33] <bioterror> probably rsync
[18:33] <Ahmuck-Jr> in that i need a gui
[18:33] <Ahmuck-Jr> hrm, maybe not
[18:34] <Ahmuck-Jr> is unity it's own thing?  or is it based from something else
[18:34] <bioterror> I've tried 6months to do backup script
[18:34] <bioterror> I dunno where's my motivation
[18:35] <kalithlev> When i start my computer, lxdm complains that the gnome session is missing, and it's using a fallback session (lxde). How can I make it start Lubuntu?
[18:35] <bioterror> hmm
[18:35] <Ahmuck-Jr> hrm, so, i see unity2d, and docky has the niceest screenshots
[18:35] <kalithlev> i installed plain ubuntu first, cursed about unity and installed lubuntu-desktop
[18:35] <bioterror> kalithlev, do you have autologin in use?
[18:36] <kalithlev> yes bioterror
[18:36] <bioterror> kalithlev, disable that?
[18:36] <bioterror> if that works
[18:36] <Ahmuck-Jr> i logged out and picked ubuntu classic
[18:36] <bioterror> Ahmuck-Jr, unity needs compiz
[18:36] <kalithlev> the lxde config file says session=startlubuntu
[18:36] <Ahmuck-Jr> unity is a nice directional step, but it's customizabilty is limited.  for one, it hides itself
[18:36] <bioterror> awn or docky should work with dcompmgr
[18:37] <kalithlev> lxdm*
[18:37] <bioterror> kalithlev, /etc/lxdm/default.conf
[18:37] <bioterror> and lxdm.conf
[18:38] <bioterror> put # (hashmark) in front of autologin -line
[18:38] <kalithlev> i did, going to try rebooting
[18:38] <bioterror> no need for reboot
[18:38] <bioterror> sudo service lxdm restart
[18:38] <bioterror> we are not using windows, right?
[18:40] <Ahmuck-Jr> erk, docky is all tied up with mono
[18:40] <Ahmuck-Jr> u know a "desktop restart button" or "refresh" button would be nice
[18:41] <kalithlev> it works like i want it to be without autologin, lubuntu is default
[18:42] <kalithlev> how can i get autologin to start the lubuntu session?
[18:42] <bioterror> kalithlev, did you get rid of that message?
[18:42] <kalithlev> yes
[18:42] <bioterror> good
[18:45] <Ahmuck-Jr> so does lubuntu have an installation mode where one can subtract/add programs via scirpt before installation of lubuntu?
[18:45] <bioterror> no
[18:45] <Ahmuck-Jr> a custom program selection list?
[18:45] <bioterror> it's a complete package
[18:46] <Ahmuck-Jr> looks like AWN needs a composting manager, (one suggested was Cairo (assume CairoDock is based on Cairo))
[18:46] <bioterror> Ahmuck-Jr, dcompmgr
[18:47] <Ahmuck-Jr> sudo aptitude purge docky
[18:47] <Ahmuck-Jr> er, sorry
[18:50] <Ahmuck-Jr> @#$#%@# ... i need my F12 drop down
[18:50] <meetingology> Ahmuck-Jr: Error: "#$#%@#" is not a valid command.
[18:51] <bioterror> hahaha
[18:51] <bioterror> how we could do a funny dropdown hack
[18:55] <bioterror> I have to think about that
[18:56] <Ahmuck-Jr> i'm not sure why, but when "edit" applicaiton bar, the resulting window opens behind
[18:57] <KM0201> Ahmuck-Jr: its done that to me before to.
[18:57] <Ahmuck-Jr> when sorting using up/down, the icon bar and the list sometimes don't match and it takes it a sec or two to get things working right
[18:57] <KM0201> i just move crap around
[18:57] <Ahmuck-Jr> not exptected behavior
[18:57] <KM0201> never had that prob.
[18:57] <bioterror> Ahmuck-Jr, I know a hack
[18:58] <bioterror> I think I'll
[19:00] <bioterror> try first
[19:02] <Ahmuck-Jr> bbl.  going to move office home so i can do more OSS work
[19:02] <Ahmuck-Jr> today
[19:04] <bioterror> hmmmmm
[19:06] <Ahmuck-Jr> Sylpheed is the best choice in e-mail client imho.  It's nice, simple, cross platform.
[19:08] <Ahmuck-Jr> suggestion for a screenshot program?
[19:09] <bioterror> scrot
[19:09] <bioterror> in lubuntu it's binded to prtscrn
[19:10] <yateendra> I'm interested in installing lubuntu on an acer travelmate 505DX with 160M RAM, NeoMagic video driver. There is no native ethernet (said to be required for alternate install), but I have a USB ether adaptor and a wireless adaptor. Can I install?
[19:10] <bioterror> give it a shot :D
[19:12] <yateendra> Any idea of whether the alternate install program can recognize and install USB drivers? The USB wi-fi was recognized natively by win2k (if memory serves). Wifi would be the easiest way.
[19:13] <KM0201> yateendra: it depends... my wireless device(internal) is supported the alternate install cd... but i imagine it is in the minority
[19:13] <KM0201> yateendra: you could try the minimal install cd... as it installs the kernel, then boots an install process similar to the alt. cd.
[19:15] <yateendra> Thanks for the suggestion of using the mini-install. I think I got mixed up with my terms (mini versus alternate install). I believe mini install is the one recommended for my (low RAM) situation anyway.
[19:15] <bioterror> Ahmuck-Jr, I'm trying to figure out how "yeahconsole" works. that's what you want
[19:17] <bioterror> OH YEAH
[19:17] <bioterror> I have now awesome dropdown terminal
[19:17] <bioterror> with URxvt
[19:17] <bioterror> with F12 it comes down
[19:17] <yateendra> Thanks, all, for your assistance. It's great to be able to talk here with a low-bandwidth modem connection!! :).
[19:17] <bioterror> F11 puts it full screen
[19:18] <bioterror> and no stupid 3D effects or anything
[19:18] <bioterror> Ahmuck-Jr, sudo apt-get install yeahconsole
[19:18] <bioterror> Ahmuck-Jr, http://paste.ubuntu.com/607498/ add those lines to your .Xdefaults
[19:19] <bioterror> Ahmuck-Jr, launch yeahconsole into background and press F12
[19:19] <bioterror> Ahmuck-Jr, you're then ready to roll
[19:20] <bioterror> Ahmuck-Jr, I'm using rxvt-unicode
[19:23] <bioterror> !next
[19:36] <bioterror> Ahmuck-Jr, did you get what I wrote?
[19:36] <Ahmuck-Jr> http://imagebin.org/153311
[19:36] <Ahmuck-Jr> doubt it
[19:36] <bioterror> I gave you a dropdown terminal
[19:36] <Ahmuck-Jr> when i try to change the background to a flat color, it causes the monitor to fill with jibberish
[19:36] <Ahmuck-Jr> so i had to re-boot
[19:37] <KM0201> Ahmuck-Jr: i think thats a bug...
[19:37] <KM0201> i had the same prob.
[19:37] <KM0201> Ahmuck-Jr: just create a .jpg with the flat color of choice...
[19:38] <bioterror> Sat21:18 <bioterror> Ahmuck-Jr, sudo apt-get install yeahconsole
[19:38] <bioterror> Sat21:19 <bioterror> Ahmuck-Jr, http://paste.ubuntu.com/607498/ add those lines to your .Xdefaults
[19:38] <bioterror> Sat21:19 <bioterror> Ahmuck-Jr, launch yeahconsole into background and press F12
[19:38] <bioterror> Sat21:19 <bioterror> Ahmuck-Jr, you're then ready to roll
[19:39] <bioterror> Ahmuck-Jr, replace urxvt with your desired terminal
[19:40] <Ahmuck-Jr> what is yeahconsole?
[19:40] <bioterror> dropdownmenu
[19:41] <bioterror> asdasd
[19:41] <bioterror> dropdown terminal
[19:41] <bioterror> lightweight
[19:41] <bioterror> do as I told and you're a happy camper
[19:41] <GreenDance> Hi
[19:41] <bioterror> GreenDance, hi
[19:43] <GreenDance> I was wondering, on a minimal install of ubuntu and LXDE, LXDE has a "other" in the menu with the sub-menu having "openbox", but in lubuntu this has been removed from the menu, I was wondering how it was done please?
[19:43] <Ahmuck-Jr> thx bioterror, i'll do as I told :)
[19:44] <Ahmuck-Jr> bioterror: seen ylmf linux?
[19:44] <GreenDance> i could post/link to a screenshot showing what I mean if it makes my question any easier
[19:45] <Ahmuck-Jr> very fast openbox implementation.  couldn't nuetuer it satisfactorily so i moved back to lubuntu.
[19:46] <Ahmuck-Jr> particuallry firefox
[19:47]  * Ahmuck-Jr needs spellchecking in irssi
[19:47] <Ahmuck-Jr> l8r, packing the office up.
[19:47] <bioterror> Ahmuck-Jr, did you get it working?
[19:47] <bioterror> GreenDance, gimme a screenshot
[19:52] <GreenDance> bioterror: http://i.imgur.com/7apxR.png
[19:55] <bioterror> GreenDance, probably becouse of /usr/share/applications/openbox.desktop
[19:56] <GreenDance> is that safe to delete?
[19:56] <bioterror> http://paste.ubuntu.com/607507/
[19:56] <bioterror> that's what lubuntu has
[19:56] <bioterror> what you have?
[19:57] <GreenDance> yes
[19:57] <bioterror> is your file same?
[19:58] <GreenDance> yes
[19:58] <bioterror> hmmm
[20:03] <bioterror> still wondering that :D
[20:05] <Ahmuck-Jr> http://imagebin.org/153316 - panel nasties
[20:06] <bioterror> thoho
[20:06] <bioterror> Ahmuck-Jr, fix that dropdown now!
[20:08] <Ahmuck-Jr> found the background image bug problem ... seems like it has something to do with solid color rendering and perhaps opacity settings.  it happens on the panel as well
[20:09] <Ahmuck-Jr> which prevents panel resizing because you get double image unless you edit the panel img.  a gradiant might work here with a solid color, but may add overhead to the desktop code (?)
[20:10] <bioterror> hey, now that dropdown terminal!! ;D
[20:10] <Ahmuck-Jr> yes
[20:10] <bioterror> I spent 30mins of my life for that
[20:10] <Ahmuck-Jr> kk, i understand
[20:10] <Ahmuck-Jr> can you post a txt file for the instructions, when i logged out i lost the instructions
[20:11] <Ahmuck-Jr> i've not got irssi set up for logging yet
[20:11] <Ahmuck-Jr> or a pastebin
[20:12] <bioterror> http://paste.ubuntu.com/607513/
[20:17] <Ahmuck-Jr> yeahconsole*term: urxvt
[20:17] <Ahmuck-Jr> er, sorry
[20:18] <bioterror> you can use xterm
[20:18] <bioterror> mrxvt
[20:18] <bioterror> anything you want
[20:18] <bioterror> rxvt-unicode is my weapon of choice
[20:33] <Ahmuck-Jr> clear
[20:36] <GreenDance> bioterror: are you still there?
[20:37] <bioterror> da
[20:37] <bioterror> watching eurovision song contest
[20:38] <GreenDance> I don't know if it's "ok" but I deleted openbox.desktop and it removes the link on the menu, but in lubuntu the file isn't deleted and it's not on the menu.
[20:39] <bioterror> well, technically it did the trick
[20:40] <GreenDance> yeah, but will it cause any problems do you think?
[20:40] <bioterror> why would it
[20:40] <GreenDance> i wasn't sure, just asking :)
[21:28] <kristian_> hi all
[21:28] <kristian_> the new Lubuntu I just upgraded to (11.04, I believe) looks great
[21:29] <kristian_> I even think it is a bit snappier than 10.10 was
[21:29] <kristian_> what's with the gradient look? Is it made with theming or has lxde/openbox been changed?
[21:35] <Ahmuck-Jr> kristian_: gradient where?
[21:36] <kristian_> hi Ahmuck-Jr
[21:36] <kristian_> the panel and the window frames
[21:41] <Ahmuck-Jr> kristian_: the panel is a jpg/png
[21:41] <Ahmuck-Jr> png
[21:41] <kristian_> ah
[21:41] <kristian_> I gotta go
[21:41] <kristian_> see ya
[21:42] <Ahmuck-Jr> fwiw, working with unity for a short time, moving the menu bar up was a good idea, however, it became cluttered because the vanitiy icon, and title were not removed from the bar
[21:43] <bioterror> Ahmuck-Jr, does your dropdown terminal work?
[21:43] <Ahmuck-Jr> removing the vanity icon and title would allow the max, min, close button to be moved to the left
[21:43] <Ahmuck-Jr> bioterror: nope
[21:43] <bioterror> Ahmuck-Jr, why not?
[21:44] <bioterror> you add those settings to .Xdefaults
[21:45] <bioterror> you start yeahconsole
[21:45] <bioterror> and you press f12
[21:45] <bioterror> cant be that hard
[21:45] <bioterror> ofcourse you have to install urxvt if you dont change it to your desired terminal
[21:45] <Ahmuck-Jr> eahconsole*term: urxvt
[21:45] <Ahmuck-Jr> yeahconsole*term:: command not found
[21:45] <Ahmuck-Jr> ah
[21:45] <Ahmuck-Jr> kk
[21:45] <bioterror> sudo apt-get install rxvt-unicode
[21:45] <bioterror> as I said
[21:46] <bioterror> it would be smart also reload Xdefaults
[21:46] <bioterror> xrdb -merge .Xdefaults
[21:46] <Ahmuck-Jr> so i notice that lubuntu doesn't have "search" or "locate"
[21:46] <bioterror> Ahmuck-Jr, find / |grep word
[21:47]  * Ahmuck-Jr is a begginer at some of this stuff
[21:47] <Ahmuck-Jr> look what a gui did to me
[21:48] <bioterror> and if you want to use locate
[21:48] <bioterror> updatedb
[21:48] <bioterror> basic stuff
[21:48] <bioterror> hi hyperair
[21:49] <Ahmuck-Jr> it would appear I don't have a .Xdefaults(?)
[21:49] <hyperair> hello bioterror
[21:50] <bioterror> Ahmuck-Jr, Sat21:19 <bioterror> Ahmuck-Jr, http://paste.ubuntu.com/607498/ add those lines to your .Xdefaults
[21:50] <Ahmuck-Jr> create .Xdefaults?
[21:50] <Ahmuck-Jr> cd /etc/X11
[21:50] <Ahmuck-Jr> touch .Xdefaults
[21:50] <bioterror> .Xdefaults is located in ~/
[22:03] <bioterror> Ahmuck-Jr, it took from me like 5 minutes to fix it working :D
[22:03] <bioterror> you cant still wonder that yeahconsole
[22:14] <Ahmuck-Jr> looking at the buttons on windows, X should be far left, min next, and max outside right, then file menu, no vanitiy icon or title bar.  that would allow more screen space.  file menu should be visable with a visabilty toggle option upon mouse.
[22:14] <Ahmuck-Jr> anywho l8r
[22:17] <GreenDance> hey bioterror
[22:17] <bioterror> hey hey, my my
[22:18] <GreenDance> bioterror: did you know, the LXDE team have lost their domain name lxde.org
[22:19] <bioterror> no they have not
[22:19] <bioterror> whois says pcman owns it
[22:19] <GreenDance> really?
[22:19] <GreenDance> oh
[22:19] <bioterror> sudo apt-get install whois && whois lxde.org
[22:19] <GreenDance> I don't see their website?
[22:19] <bioterror> put |less too
[22:20] <bioterror> there's some code in the sauce
[22:20] <bioterror> mmmmm
[22:20] <bioterror> now it shows that page
[22:21] <bioterror> Created On:02-May-2008 12:27:36 UTC
[22:21] <bioterror> Last Updated On:09-May-2011 09:14:37 UTC
[22:21] <bioterror> Expiration Date:02-May-2012 12:27:36 UTC
[22:21] <bioterror> Sponsoring Registrar:Answerable.com (I) Pvt. Ltd. (R1305-LROR)
[22:21] <bioterror> Status:PENDING TRANSFER
[22:21] <bioterror> pending transfer :o
[22:22] <bioterror> usually you get notified that domain is getting expired
[22:22] <GreenDance> yeah
[22:22] <GreenDance> that's what i thought
[22:22] <bioterror> what a pity
[22:23] <Ahmuck-Jr> i get auto renewal
[22:23] <Ahmuck-Jr> so i don't have to worry about it
[22:23] <Ahmuck-Jr> what registar r u using?
[22:24] <bioterror>    Registrar: CSL COMPUTER SERVICE LANGENBACH GMBH D/B/A JOKER.COM
[22:25] <bioterror> two of my domains says that joker.com
[22:25] <bioterror> third doesnt tell ;)
[22:25] <Ahmuck-Jr> depending upon where it's registared at, if you used www.ldxe.org or ldxe.org in a finicial transaction or on paper with finicial transaction attached and you have a trademark, you should be able to claim trademark infringement
[22:26] <Ahmuck-Jr> and nullify the transfer
[22:28] <GreenDance> if in deed the domain owner has lost his domain, it'll be expensive to get it back, or create a new domain which would be cheaper
[22:30] <GreenDance> nothing mentioned on their twitter http://twitter.com/#!/lxde
[22:32] <GreenDance> nothing even mentioned in the topic on their channel #lxde
[22:36] <GreenDance> nite everyone
[22:36] <GreenDance> thanks for ur help bioterror
[22:36] <bioterror> gnight
[22:37] <kosaidpo> hello guys
[22:38] <kosaidpo> i've dl the my-weather-indicato but it does nethin when i luache it :P
[22:38] <bioterror> then you have to look out from window
[22:39] <kosaidpo> bioterror: didnt got you :P
[22:42] <bioterror> kosaidpo, you have to walk near your window and look outside :D
[22:43] <kosaidpo> bioterror: haaha and wht abt if i wanna kno abt tom n next days ?? LOL
[22:43] <bioterror> then you have to watch 22oo news from TV
[22:43] <phillw> kosaidpo: you have to log on and ask me :P
[22:44] <bioterror> haha :D
[22:44] <kosaidpo> phillw: :D but ur weather isnt mine : ]
[22:45] <phillw> kosaidpo: the applet covers the globs, would you like to know the conditions in antartica?
[22:45] <phillw> *globe*
[22:45] <bioterror> phillw, there's cold
[22:45] <bioterror> I know!
[22:46] <bioterror> and if I remember right there where kosaidpo lives, there's always too hot
[22:46] <kosaidpo> phillw: ; ]
[22:46] <bioterror> tons of sand and sun is glowing 24/7 ;)
[22:46] <bioterror> and where phillw lives, there only pours
[22:46] <bioterror> sun never shines, only rain
[22:47] <kosaidpo> no seriously its buggin :P
[22:47] <kosaidpo> its so hot here n sunny
[22:47] <bioterror> kosaidpo, try manchester ;)
[22:47]  * phillw ... hmm weather station at antartica is down :(
[22:48] <kosaidpo> i was talkin abt the real life not from the app this app its not wokin for me :D
[22:48] <phillw> kosaidpo: it works for me fine, not sure what the problem is :(
[22:48] <bioterror> http://www.wunderground.com/global/stations/89009.html
[22:49] <bioterror> "I dont know but I've been told, escimos .. ... is mighty cold" :D
[22:49] <bioterror> I love Full Metal Jacket
[22:49] <kosaidpo> phillw: you meann weather indicator ??
[22:50] <phillw> Weather Report 2.28.0
[22:50] <bioterror> kosaidpo, did you know that penguigs are gathered together in antarctica and the male penguings are holding eggs on their feets
[22:51] <bioterror> keeping their little tux's warm
[22:51] <kosaidpo> yeh for almost 3 months thats we call be father
[22:52] <kosaidpo> they stay without food only few food in there mounth n when the lil kid comes to world they give him that food so wonderfull
[22:52] <bioterror> and they doesnt divorce, like swans ;)
[22:52] <kosaidpo> idk swans in english :P
[22:53] <bioterror> swans stays together too till the end
[22:53] <bioterror> http://www.linutop.com/news/images/ConkyForecast.png why dont you fix yourself something like that
[22:54] <szczur> hi :)
[22:54] <kosaidpo> bioterror: its nice tho but me u kno i want sumthin stay under my eyes ;]
[22:54] <kosaidpo> szczur: hey
[23:51] <Ahmuck-Jr> whomai