[01:56] <ikt> anyone around?
[09:13] <head_victim> blahdeblah: sorry mate (re the ML) sometimes I don't realise when gmails hidden a bunch of text on me if I'm not paying close enough attention. I do usually try to prune.
[09:13] <blahdeblah> head_victim: No worries - just a friendly reminder :-)
[09:14] <head_victim> Yep, you get my other email?
[09:14] <blahdeblah> Yeah - just haven't had a chance to go through it yet
[09:14] <blahdeblah> I'm working on my HP networking certification
[09:15] <head_victim> Ah k, sweet. I'm trying to debate what I should study as my job hunting isn't going well so I've resigned myself to having to do more study to get a job I want.
[09:15] <blahdeblah> :-(
[09:16] <blahdeblah> If you want something in Linux admin, start with a RHCE, and add a uni degree after that as you're able. ;-)
[09:16] <head_victim> My work will pay for any university study I want and as I already have a degree it opens up graduate diplomas and stuff which is basically tafe cert IVs. So I've got to decide what sort of line I want to take. Management, analyst, investigation or IT.
[09:17] <head_victim> Nah work will only pay for uni stuffs and I'm a cheap bastard.
[09:18] <blahdeblah> RHCE you would likely be able to self-study.  That's certainly my plan
[09:18] <head_victim> How costly is it, ballpark wise?
[09:18] <blahdeblah> Don't know
[09:19] <blahdeblah> Last i checked, exams were pretty exy - cheapest i saw was about $800-900.
[09:19] <blahdeblah> But i'll be going there next... :-\
[09:19] <head_victim> So you'd want to make sure you're going to pass.
[09:19] <blahdeblah> I think you get the 2nd exam at a discount
[09:19] <head_victim> The only thing is I"m starting from well back on what most people are knowledge wise I think.
[09:20] <blahdeblah> But it's the only Linux certification i've ever seen advertised as a selection criteria, so you've pretty much gotta have it if you don't already have a track record with the company.
[09:21] <head_victim> Yep I was thinking if I went IT I'd do some sort of IT uni stuffs and if I liked it enough do some RH in my own time.
[09:21] <head_victim> I've got to think about money as well though that's the only reason I'm thinking management stuff.
[09:22] <head_victim> I'd basically work up towards an MBA if I was going down that route. Depends on how long I stay in my job as to how far down the track I got.
[09:23] <blahdeblah> yeah - sucks that you have to go down the MBA track just to get any further
[09:23] <blahdeblah> Like management is what we all want to do - NOT
[09:24] <head_victim> I actually don't mind it but I need to start earning real money not the crap I'm on
[09:26] <head_victim> If I can get that in IT then great, but at my current technical knowledge that would be hard
[09:27] <blahdeblah> head_victim: don't sell yourself short - with a grad. dip. and an entry-level industry cert., you'd be pretty employable
[09:27] <head_victim> blahdeblah: at what sort of pay grade though?
[09:27] <blahdeblah> no idea
[09:27] <blahdeblah> What sort of govt jobs have you been going for?
[09:27] <head_victim> Pretty much entry level stuff around 60 - 80k
[09:28] <blahdeblah> what are the classifications you've been looking at?
[09:28] <head_victim> AO4 - 6
[09:28] <head_victim> Depending on if I've actually done it before and stuff.
[09:28] <head_victim> The problem is all that sort of stuff is usually filled in house
[09:29] <head_victim> AO3 is where you'd get a job pretty easy I think but that's far too much of a pay cut to even consider having a mortgage and all
[09:30] <blahdeblah> yep
[09:30] <blahdeblah> AO4-AO5 should be well within your reach though
[09:30] <head_victim> I decided I'd drop to AO4 if it meant getting off shiftwork.
[09:30] <blahdeblah> yep
[09:30]  * blahdeblah is glad he doesn't do after hours any more
[09:31] <head_victim> I need to drop the extra bit of weight for health reasons and can't seem to do it on this stupid roster.
[09:31] <sagaci> head_victim: run to work
[09:31] <head_victim> So is 80k ish in IT achievable with grad dip?
[09:31] <head_victim> Or is that full degree sort of field?
[09:32] <blahdeblah> head_victim: You and me both, mate
[09:32] <blahdeblah> I don't think there's much difference between degree & grad dip
[09:33] <head_victim> Except the grad dip is half the time ;)
[09:33] <blahdeblah> Life experience counts for a lot, IMO
[09:33] <head_victim> I was tempted to do an IT grad dip and then look into some project management stuffs.
[09:33] <head_victim> That would be a good combo of management and tech
[09:33] <blahdeblah> Yeah
[09:34] <head_victim> Know any good project managers I could hit up for some basic questions?
[09:34] <blahdeblah> I've got a couple of friends who might be worth talking to.  Let me drop them an email and see what they have to say...
[09:35] <head_victim> I'm not going to ask anything too in depth at this stage, just want to make sure it's what I'm tyhinking it really is.
[09:35] <head_victim> I appreciate the effort mate
[09:35] <blahdeblah> head_victim: Leave it with me
[09:37] <head_victim> Will do, and no huge screaming rush mate, I'm still pondering :)
[09:38] <Octatron> Greetings all
[09:38] <head_victim> Evening Octatron 
[09:39] <head_victim> sagaci: I have to get up before 0430 now, running to work I may as well not go to bed ;)
[09:40] <sagaci> working tomorrow?
[09:40] <head_victim> Yep
[09:40] <Octatron> head_victim: did you get my email?
[09:40] <head_victim> Octatron: yep, had a look at it this morning at 0430 ;)
[09:43] <Octatron> head_victim: I could never do that, I'm so not a morning person
[09:43] <head_victim> Octatron: neither am I, hence working hard to find another job
[09:48] <sagaci> start an ubuntu-au type company
[09:50] <Octatron> Then you can get paid to do this :)
[09:51] <head_victim> Hah home loan = steady income required. Nice idea though
[10:14] <sagaci> head_victim: still up?
[10:15] <Octatron> sagaci: head_victim had to take off
[10:17] <sagaci> Octatron: what are you up to
[10:19] <Octatron> Lots of stuff, adjusting the wiki and looking for a tv media player and NAS that will work across a network.  You?
[10:20] <sagaci> doing some translation
[10:21] <Octatron> translation, programming?
[10:23] <sagaci> no
[10:26] <sagaci> https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty
[10:31] <Octatron> Ahh as in speaking language :P Cool