[00:00] <coalwater> recent: do you want to erase it, or just check something
[00:01] <coalwater> it says here it's ~/.local/share/zeitgeist, u might want to check that
[00:01] <recent> coalwater, i think it was there before zeitgeist. i know that it can be cleared through the interface, but i want to know where its stored.
[00:02] <recent> there's one location at ~/.local/share/recently-used.xbel, but there has to be one more.
[00:02] <MrChrisDruif> recent; Which version of Ubuntu are you running?
[00:02] <recent> 11.04
[00:02] <MrChrisDruif> Then it might possibly be zeitgeist
[00:03] <recent> MrChrisDruif, i though so too, but it's still there in addition to the zeitgeist activity.sqlite.
[00:03] <recent> thought*
[00:05] <coalwater> recent: i'm guessing u want to know where the recent applications you've used that appears on the dash comes from?
[00:06] <recent> coalwater, that would indeed be zeitgeist. i'm interested in recent files - the ones that appear in the places -> recent documents under gnome.
[00:06] <coalwater> o
[00:07] <coalwater> maybe it's a nautilus thing then
[00:07] <coalwater> nvm
[00:07] <coalwater> ur using the classic gnome
[00:07] <recent> yes
[00:07] <recent> interestingly enough, i think that the same location is also updated when under unity, but i haven't tested that.
[00:07] <coalwater> yea maybe it's nautilus
[00:08] <coalwater> u might find something in the ~/.nautilus (if that folder exists)
[00:09] <recent> it does, but it's completely empty...
[00:09] <MrChrisDruif> Maybe in /.local
[00:10] <recent> there's ~/.local/share/recently-used.xbel
[00:10] <coalwater> did u try opening it
[00:11] <recent> yes. it does contain recent files. often tips about disabling recent history refer to it. the problem is that there absolutely has to be another, additional location, because history is saved even if that file is made read only.
[00:11] <recent> that's what i'm curious about: where else?
[00:16] <coalwater> recent: i backed up the file. cleared my recent, and then it came back when i restored the file..
[00:18] <recent> coalwater, oh yes, it certainly plays a role, but here's something you can try:
[00:18] <recent> are you on regular gnome?
[00:18] <coalwater> yea
[00:18] <coalwater> you want to say it doesnt get  cleared when u delete the file?
[00:19] <coalwater> i think it might be because the file gets cached in the ram or something instead of reading it each time u hover over the recent files menu item
[00:20] <recent> there's more. if you'd like you can try this:
[00:20] <recent> use the usual interface means to clear recent documents
[00:20] <recent> you'll see that the list becomes empty
[00:21] <coalwater> ok
[00:21] <recent> than do sudo chattr -i ~/.local/share/recently-used.xbel
[00:21] <recent> umm +i there
[00:22] <coalwater> actually
[00:22] <coalwater> mine isn't on the .local/share
[00:22] <coalwater> its on the root
[00:22] <recent> oh right, right, this is for 11.04
[00:22] <recent> it's right in your ~
[00:22] <coalwater> yea
[00:22] <coalwater> my home
[00:23] <coalwater> i dont know what ur still trying to understand
[00:23] <recent> you'll see in a moment really
[00:23] <recent> if you'd like of course
[00:23] <coalwater> as far as i get, the xml is getting cached
[00:23] <recent> i'm not sure that would solve the mystery here
[00:24] <coalwater> maybe it fails to write it on the file, the cached version is still accessible
[00:24] <recent> the cached version is available for writing?
[00:24] <coalwater> u could try to do a gnome-panel --replace after u rename the file, if what im think is right, it should get an empty list
[00:24] <MrChrisDruif> reading
[00:24] <recent> but that's the thing
[00:25] <coalwater> and it would create an empty file
[00:25] <recent> new files are being added to a list somewhere. this somewhere is then merged with the recently-used when it becomes writable again
[00:25] <recent> a quick summary:
[00:26] <coalwater> a location in the memory..
[00:27] <recent> 1. clear the list using normal interface. 2. make recently-used.xbel read-only. 3. open a bunch of files. 4. they don't appear in the list. 5. make recently-used writable again. 6. open a file. 7. observe how all previous files are in the list too.
[00:27] <coalwater> ok, do what ill suggest
[00:27] <coalwater> replace gnome-panel before unlocking the file
[00:27] <recent> sure, let's try..
[00:29] <recent> ok replaces
[00:29] <recent> d*
[00:29] <recent> now whta
[00:29] <coalwater> is ur recent list still populated
[00:30] <coalwater> not the file,
[00:30] <coalwater> if u locked the file empty, u should get an empty list
[00:30] <recent> so far it is. now i;m
[00:31] <recent> going to unlock it, open other files, and see if the ones opened while locked appear too
[00:31] <coalwater> wasn't what i wanted u to try
[00:31] <recent> what then
[00:33] <coalwater> clear the xml file or rename it, then lock it, now it cant write the list that's on the ram, then u replace gnome, so then it looses its ram version too, then ull find an empty list and gnome wont find a way to restore it, untill u rename the file back to it's original name
[00:33] <recent> that's what i did
[00:33] <coalwater> and the list is still on the recent documents list?
[00:34] <recent> no, the list remains empty after cleaning, and opening files in a locked stated. BUT
[00:35] <recent> after unlocking, if you open a third file, which was not opened while locked, this file appears in the list (as it should) but also the other 2, which should not.
[00:35] <recent> doing a  gnome-panel --replace has no effect on this behaviour
[00:37] <recent> the whole thing makes me think that there has to be another location to store the list, and this other location is synchronized with recently-used.xbel when the latter is not locked
[00:38] <coalwater> i changed the file owner to root
[00:38] <coalwater> and when i started gnome-panel from terminal, this is what i got
[00:38] <coalwater> (gnome-panel:1980): Gtk-WARNING **: Attempting to read the recently used resources file at `/home/coalwater/.recently-used.xbel', but the parser failed: Failed to open file '/home/coalwater/.recently-used.xbel': Permission denied.
[00:38] <coalwater> and the list was empty
[00:39] <coalwater> satisfied? lol
[00:39] <recent> no! ha.
[00:39] <coalwater> recent: ^
[00:39] <recent> that's only half the test
[00:39] <coalwater> well, it failed to restore it
[00:40] <recent> the next step would be to open files while .recently-used.xbel is inaccesible.
[00:40] <coalwater> isn't that what i did
[00:40] <coalwater> some how the gnome-panel changes the file permissions
[00:40] <recent> yes, but there's more
[00:40] <coalwater> as long as it's owned by the same user
[00:40] <coalwater> that's why i changed the owner to root
[00:41] <coalwater> so it cant do any thing to it no matter what
[00:41] <recent> i see what you're saying, let me try something really quickly.
[00:41] <coalwater> ok
[00:44] <recent> coalwater, it's not writing to the file while it's locked!
[00:44] <recent> the lock does work.
[00:45] <coalwater> ok, well if u keep the file open with gedit, it will tell u when the file contents change
[00:46] <recent> what you have tried so far, is not where the odd behaviour shows up. you have to open some files while it's locked, then unlock it, then open a completely different file, and see that the files that you have opened while it was locked also appear in the list, and in the file. but they are not added to the file while it is locked.
[00:48] <coalwater> recent: do u do any programming
[00:49] <recent> coalwater, oh i just noticed something that's even simpler: keep xbel file open in gedit. select all, delete, and save file through gedit complaints. open one random file. reload xbel as per gedit's notice. see how previous content is restored!!
[00:49] <recent> not really on the programming, why?
[00:50] <coalwater> cause i would have explained it in a programming way
[00:50] <recent> go ahead.
[00:50] <coalwater> gnome-panel doesn't save it only in the file, pretend there's a variable, called xbel or w/e
[00:50] <coalwater> once u open any new file, gnome-panel updates the variable xbel, then updates the file
[00:51] <coalwater> the only thing ur doing is preventing the update of the fiel
[00:51] <coalwater> file*
[00:51] <coalwater> but the variable still is getting updated
[00:51] <coalwater> once it gets access to the file again, it just dumps the variable to the file
[00:51] <recent> in memory?
[00:51] <coalwater> yes
[00:51] <recent> then it shouldn't survive a reboot?
[00:51] <coalwater> or a gnome-panel --replace
[00:52] <recent> but it does survive a replace
[00:52] <recent> that's what i tried after you suggested it
[00:52] <recent> and i'm not absolutely sure, but i think i've tried a reboot too, a while ago.
[00:52] <coalwater> try and lock it and keep it open with gedit, im sure it will write to it
[00:53] <recent> trying..
[00:53] <coalwater> if it does survive
[00:58] <recent> ok here are the results: i cleaned the list, opened xbel, locked it, opened 2 files, closed them.replaced gnome-panel, opened 3rd file. no change in xbel content, nothing added to the actual list under places. unlocked xbel. still nothing. opened a 4th file. - change in xbel - all files appear in it, and the list.
[00:59] <coalwater> ok then replace doesn't empty the items
[00:59] <coalwater> u could try killall gnome-panel , if u want to be aggressive lol
[00:59] <recent> you'd agree that a reboot would be definite?
[00:59] <coalwater> but keep a terminal on to start it back
[01:00] <coalwater> i don't know why it's really important to u
[01:00] <coalwater> but sure
[01:00] <coalwater> lol
[01:01] <recent> it's a geek thing. plus, linux is supposed to be transparent and this is not really.
[01:02] <coalwater> what do u mean by transparent
[01:04] <recent> i mean that the general philosophy is to let users know exactly how everything works, and let them modify whatever they want. this is the opposite of say windows, or mac os.
[01:05] <recent> be right back.
[01:06] <atari_314> Hey guys, anyone having issues with xterm (slowdowns, freezes) on 11.04?
[01:09] <recent> coalwater, what do you know. they didn't survive a reboot!
[01:10] <recent> thanks for helping to solve the mystery.
[01:10] <coalwater> no problem, glad u found ur answer
[01:10] <recent> yes. i can calmly proceed with my world domination plans now.
[01:11] <coalwater> good lol, just stay away from my neighborhood
[01:11] <coalwater> lol i sucked at spelling that
[01:12] <recent> you, for one, do not welcome your new overlord?
[01:12] <coalwater> um
[01:13] <recent> alright, take care.
[01:13] <coalwater> you too
[02:15] <Captainkrtek> hi escott
[02:44] <tron101> wine: Install the Windows version of Mono to run .NET executables
[02:44] <tron101> .......how do i install mono on wine ?
[02:45] <holstein> tron101: i would start at http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=4982
[02:47] <tron101> ok thx
[02:54] <grover_78> hello?
[02:54] <Error404NotFound> no ones home
[02:55] <grover_78> dang... was hoping for some help
[02:55] <Error404NotFound> call back later
[02:55] <Error404NotFound> !ask grover_78
[02:55] <ubot2> Factoid 'ask grover_78' not found
[02:55] <Error404NotFound> lol
[02:56] <grover_78> oh well maybe this 404 guy will help
[02:56] <grover_78> ?
[02:56] <Error404NotFound> probably not
[02:56] <Error404NotFound> but you might as well ask
[02:56] <Error404NotFound> people in here will actualy respond if you ask a question
[02:57] <grover_78> well, I'm totally new to ubuntu. as in total noob. so, I guess I need help figuring out how to do stuff I know how to do in Winxp
[02:57] <Error404NotFound> like?
[02:59] <Error404NotFound> and lol @ win xp
[02:59] <grover_78> hey, xp ran quite happily on my system. its too old to run anything newer so I thought I'd try ubuntu
[03:00] <grover_78> anyway, it SEEMS like I've lost a lot of graphic processing power.  things seem laggier then with xp,
[03:00] <Error404NotFound> which release of ubuntu are you using?
[03:00] <Error404NotFound> have you checked for proprietary drivers?
[03:00] <grover_78> I'm assuming its graphics related cuz it seems worse when running vids or games but really I have no clue where to start
[03:01] <grover_78> using 11.04
[03:01] <grover_78> I tried the proprietary drivers thing... says nothing found
[03:01] <Error404NotFound> unity or gnome?
[03:01] <grover_78> gnome I believe. how would I double check?
[03:02] <grover_78> like I said, I'm totally new at this
[03:02] <Error404NotFound> ?you have a big bar of icons on the left
[03:02] <grover_78> nope, just a menu on the top left
[03:02] <grover_78> applications/places/system
[03:02] <Error404NotFound> ok go to system
[03:02] <Error404NotFound> admin
[03:02] <Error404NotFound> and check for aditional drivers
[03:03] <grover_78> its searching...
[03:03] <grover_78> no proprietary drivers found on this system
[03:04] <Error404NotFound> nvidia video?
[03:04] <grover_78> nothing found at all
[03:04] <Error404NotFound> im asking if you have nvidia vid card
[03:04] <grover_78> no
[03:04] <grover_78> vid is one of those built-in ones, can't remember the details on it
[03:04] <Error404NotFound> just onboard crap?
[03:04] <grover_78> yeah
[03:04] <Error404NotFound> ok
[03:05] <Error404NotFound> holstein:
[03:05] <Error404NotFound> wanna help this dude
[03:05] <grover_78> just limping the system along till I can afford to buy a newer one
[03:05] <Error404NotFound> the videos you are trying to run
[03:05] <Error404NotFound> are they flash?>
[03:06] <grover_78> youtube seems to work ok-ish if I let it load for a few seconds first
[03:06] <Error404NotFound> yeah flash doesnt like linux much
[03:06] <grover_78> I tried a game, and it was super laggy too
[03:06] <Error404NotFound> im not sure how to do video setting
[03:06] <Error404NotFound> s
[03:07] <Error404NotFound> bioterror:
[03:07] <Error404NotFound> wakey wakey
[03:07] <grover_78> lol I think you're the only one awake here bud
[03:07] <grover_78> besides me :P
[03:07] <Captainkrtek> grover_78, I can try to help you
[03:07] <Error404NotFound> im pretty new to ubuntu also so..
[03:07] <Error404NotFound> there you go
[03:07] <Error404NotFound> another live person
[03:07] <Captainkrtek> grover_78, what seems to be the issue?
[03:08] <Error404NotFound> seems to me hes suffering from out dated hardware...
[03:08] <Captainkrtek> no such thing haha
[03:08] <grover_78> out dated hardware and a 100% certified noob when it comes to ubuntu lol
[03:09] <Error404NotFound> old mobo with crusty onboard vid
[03:09] <Captainkrtek> grover_78, well im here to help :)
[03:09] <Error404NotFound> = laggy games
[03:09] <grover_78> wonderful :)
[03:09] <grover_78> I appreciate it
[03:09] <Captainkrtek> grover_78, so can you give me the issue in more detail
[03:10] <grover_78> I know WinXP fairly well but this is pretty different
[03:10] <Error404NotFound> thats why them nerds are here
[03:10] <Captainkrtek> yeah
[03:10] <Error404NotFound> to teach us idiots linux lol
[03:10] <Captainkrtek> it's fairly similar to Ubuntu though, easy to switch after a while :)
[03:10] <grover_78> ok, well I switched from XP. Youtube ran fine, most graphics stuff that I did was just fine (mostly youtube or videos, but the occasional game)
[03:11] <Error404NotFound> doesnt youtube use flash?
[03:11] <grover_78> now that I've switched to U, graphics seem choppier/laggier.
[03:11] <Captainkrtek> Error404NotFound, Flash or HTML5
[03:11] <grover_78> so I'm assuming I've got an old/missing driver for my onboard vid card but I could be barking up the wrong tree
[03:11] <Captainkrtek> grover_78, graphics in what sense? just in general? or certain games, sites, etc.
[03:12] <Error404NotFound> mmm spam
[03:12] <grover_78> well I tried a first person shooter (somethingCube it was called) and it was unplayable
[03:12] <Captainkrtek> grover_78, also what video card do you have?
[03:12] <grover_78> youtube seems okish if I let it load for a few seconds first
[03:12] <Error404NotFound> im guessing intel gma
[03:13] <Error404NotFound> old school
[03:13] <Captainkrtek> yeah
[03:13] <grover_78> its a built-in one. I could tell you more if I was on XP, but I don't have the foggiest clue how to find out the details with U
[03:13] <Captainkrtek> grover_78, can you open a terminal and do : sudo lshw
[03:13] <Captainkrtek> and paste the output to paste.ubuntu.com
[03:13] <Error404NotFound> ooh i dled the pastebin app
[03:14] <Captainkrtek> Error404NotFound, there is also a chrome and firefox extension :)
[03:14] <Error404NotFound> just right click and auto uploads to paste bin
[03:14] <Error404NotFound> its nice
[03:14] <Error404NotFound> i guess intel gma 4500
[03:15]  * Error404NotFound hopes he knows what terminal is
[03:15] <grover_78> Cap'n, command not working.
[03:15] <grover_78> yeah I'm in terminal right now
[03:16] <grover_78> keeps saying command not found???
[03:16] <grover_78> put EXATLY what I should type in - put it in quotes
[03:16] <Error404NotFound> sudo lshw
[03:16] <Error404NotFound> then enter password and hit enter
[03:17] <holstein> grover_78: you can use tab too
[03:17] <holstein> to complete
[03:17] <holstein> like in here
[03:17] <grover_78> woah... ok so how do I paste all that into here?
[03:17] <Captainkrtek> no
[03:17] <Captainkrtek> no
[03:17] <Captainkrtek> no
[03:17] <holstein> you can type cap
[03:17] <Captainkrtek> go to paste.ubuntu.com
[03:17] <holstein> and hit tab
[03:17] <holstein> and it will complete Captainkrtek
[03:17] <Captainkrtek> oh hey holstein ;)
[03:18] <holstein> Captainkrtek: o/
[03:18] <Captainkrtek> \o
[03:18] <Error404NotFound> |o
[03:18] <holstein> grover_78: yeah, you can paste a line or 2 in here
[03:18] <holstein> but not much more than that
[03:18] <Captainkrtek> holstein, im trying to find the card he has
[03:18] <holstein> Error404NotFound: o/
[03:18] <Error404NotFound> thats a lot of info
[03:18] <Captainkrtek> it's somewhere lost in the abyss of lshw :P
[03:19] <grover_78> ok I found multimedia...
[03:19] <Captainkrtek> actually grover_78 do this in a terminal: sudo lshw > lshw.txt
[03:19] <Captainkrtek> then open lshw.txt and paste it to paste.ubuntu.com
[03:19] <roccity_> Captainkrtek, you can find you gpu by typing lspci and see what it says about VGA
[03:19] <Error404NotFound> should be display
[03:19] <Error404NotFound> not multimedia
[03:20] <Captainkrtek> thanks roccity_
[03:20] <Error404NotFound> even for onboard?
[03:20] <grover_78> ok so type lspci into terminal??
[03:20] <Captainkrtek> grover_78, do: lspci > lspci.txt
[03:20] <Error404NotFound> pci assumes you are using pci slot
[03:20] <Captainkrtek> then paste that to paste.ubuntu.com for me
[03:20] <Error404NotFound> for vid card
[03:21] <grover_78> not using PCI card though... its onboard/built in to mobo
[03:21] <Captainkrtek> grover_78, It should still work
[03:21] <Captainkrtek> I think
[03:21] <holstein> grover_78: should show up in lspci
[03:21] <holstein> run it, and give it a look :)
[03:21] <grover_78> hang on I'll try it
[03:21] <roccity_> Captainkrtek, yes
[03:22] <grover_78> give me a moment.. still learning this terminal stuff
[03:22] <Error404NotFound> sudo lspci
[03:23] <Captainkrtek> grover_78, no rush
[03:23] <grover_78> ok now were do I put it into paste.ubuntu.com??
[03:23] <holstein> grover_78: please :)
[03:23] <Error404NotFound> should only be 1 line
[03:23] <Error404NotFound> paste it here
[03:24] <grover_78> its way more then one line
[03:24] <holstein> yeah, you can pick the vga line out if you want
[03:24] <Captainkrtek> grover_78, go to paste.ubuntu.com and in the main text field
[03:24] <Captainkrtek> and put your name in the top bar
[03:24] <holstein> and, you should learn about pastebin
[03:24] <holstein> its handy
[03:25] <Captainkrtek> very
[03:25] <Captainkrtek> holstein, have you used the pastebin extension?
[03:26] <grover_78> ok so I did that
[03:26] <holstein> Captainkrtek: i checked it out
[03:26] <holstein> i like it :)
[03:26] <Error404NotFound>  nVidia Corporation G94 [GeForce 9600 GT] (rev a1)
[03:26] <Captainkrtek> grover_78, can you paste me the link
[03:26] <grover_78> http://paste.ubuntu.com/607270/
[03:27] <grover_78> hope this was the right thing to do
[03:27] <holstein> looks good grover_78
[03:27] <Captainkrtek> hehe
[03:27] <Captainkrtek> I just found it without you linking me
[03:27] <holstein> Intel Corporation 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G]/GE Chipset Integrated Graphics Device (rev 01)
[03:27] <Captainkrtek> I guessed the number
[03:27] <Captainkrtek> yeah
[03:27] <grover_78> perfect
[03:27] <grover_78> so now what?
[03:28] <Captainkrtek> let me see
[03:28] <Captainkrtek> grover_78, can you do this
[03:28] <Captainkrtek> go to your session indicator
[03:28] <Captainkrtek> it may look like a power icon
[03:28] <Captainkrtek> click it
[03:28] <grover_78> ok?
[03:28] <Captainkrtek> then System Settings
[03:28] <grover_78> power icon is just for shut down options
[03:29] <grover_78> I'm using gnome
[03:29] <Captainkrtek> me as well
[03:29] <Captainkrtek> there should be like System Settings
[03:29] <Captainkrtek> below Shut Down...
[03:29] <Captainkrtek> or just go System --> Administration --> Additional Drivers
[03:30] <grover_78> done that.... no go there
[03:30] <Error404NotFound> tried that
[03:30] <Captainkrtek> k
[03:30] <grover_78> yeah that was the first thing I tried before coming here
[03:30] <Captainkrtek> let me research a little
[03:30] <grover_78> ok... I think I'll go outside and research a cigarette while you do that :)
[03:31] <Captainkrtek> lol
[03:31] <grover_78> BRB in about 5
[03:31] <roccity_> lol
[03:31] <Captainkrtek> roccity_, I would suggest he removes compiz altogether
[03:31] <Captainkrtek> that card probably cant support it well
[03:31] <Error404NotFound> i found ppa for that  graphics card
[03:32] <roccity_> Captainkrtek, so is he getting like a white screen or something?
[03:32] <Error404NotFound> just laggy
[03:32] <Captainkrtek> roccity_, just lag
[03:32] <Captainkrtek> but Compiz will not run well on a card with 64M of shared mem
[03:33] <roccity_> Captainkrtek, Error404NotFound is he using unity?
[03:33] <Captainkrtek> roccity_, gnome
[03:33] <Error404NotFound> gnome
[03:33] <roccity_> Captainkrtek, Error404NotFound so classic?
[03:33] <Captainkrtek> yes
[03:33] <Error404NotFound> i doubt he could use unity with his current graphics
[03:34] <roccity_> Captainkrtek, do you know how old the laptop is?
[03:34] <Error404NotFound> i dont think its a laptop
[03:34] <Captainkrtek> roccity_, guessing a few years
[03:34] <roccity_> Captainkrtek, or is it a desktop?
[03:34] <Captainkrtek> probably 1g or < less ram
[03:34] <Captainkrtek> maybe a celeron
[03:34] <Error404NotFound> probably just an old p4 system
[03:34] <roccity_> Captainkrtek, yeah that may not work. Kde may be a bit better though as there stuff is intergrated
[03:35] <Captainkrtek> roccity_, yeah, Ill have him remove compiz and see how that works
[03:35] <roccity_> Captainkrtek, cant he do gnome without compiz from the login
[03:35] <Captainkrtek> roccity_, sorta, but it's still there
[03:35] <roccity_> Captainkrtek, no effrects or something I think that it is
[03:35] <Error404NotFound> yeah
[03:35] <Captainkrtek> even with no effects it still takes a toll
[03:36] <Captainkrtek> as of what I've heard
[03:36] <Error404NotFound> that must be some horrible fx...
[03:36] <Error404NotFound> erm
[03:36] <roccity_> Error404NotFound, then xfce is a better bet
[03:36] <Captainkrtek> my card handles it for 3 displays ;)
[03:36] <grover_78> ok I'm back
[03:37] <roccity_> not as pretty as compiz but still get shadows and transparency and that
[03:37] <Error404NotFound> i can run my 50 inch a 32 inch and 22 inch at same time
[03:37] <grover_78> I guess I should tell you what I do know about this system huh>
[03:37] <Error404NotFound> is it a desktop?
[03:37] <roccity_> grover_78, that would be cool
[03:37] <Captainkrtek> grover_78, okay follow me
[03:38] <Captainkrtek> grover_78, System --> Administration --> Synaptic
[03:38] <grover_78> its a P4 2ghz with 512 and 256 RAM sticks. (so thats 700 and some megs)
[03:38] <Captainkrtek> yeah we need to remove compiz lol
[03:38] <grover_78> 1x 80 gig and 1x 40 gig HD
[03:38] <Error404NotFound> 768
[03:38] <grover_78> um...
[03:38] <grover_78> yeah thats about all I can recall, its an old beast lol
[03:38] <Captainkrtek> grover_78, System --> Administration --> Synaptic Package Manager
[03:39] <Error404NotFound> i love docky
[03:39] <Captainkrtek> Error404NotFound, how are you liking Ubuntu now?
[03:39] <grover_78> ok I got that open and loaded
[03:39] <Error404NotFound> its fine when it works lol
[03:39] <Captainkrtek> grover_78, under Quick Filter type "compiz"
[03:39] <Captainkrtek> and hit enter
[03:40] <Captainkrtek> see results?
[03:40] <Error404NotFound> did anyone ask if he was running 10.04 or 11.04?
[03:40] <grover_78> yeah, compiz, and fusion-icon and stuff.
[03:40] <grover_78> 11.04 I believe
[03:40] <Error404NotFound> dump compiz
[03:41] <Error404NotFound> right in the toilet
[03:41] <holstein> if grover_78 is in gnome
[03:41] <holstein> by default
[03:41] <grover_78> I'm in gnome
[03:41] <holstein> its probably not able to do compiz*
[03:41] <roccity_> grover_78, yeah it maybe better to either dump compiz or install xubuntu
[03:42] <holstein> roccity_: im proposing that compiz isnt running
[03:42] <grover_78> ok, so tell me pros and cons of both ideas
[03:42] <grover_78> lol and remember I'm a noob lol
[03:42] <Captainkrtek> grover_78, okaay every box with a green filled in checkbox, right click and mark for removal
[03:42] <Error404NotFound> yeah im thinking it dont run in gnome by default
[03:42] <grover_78> just the green boxes, nothing else?
[03:43] <Captainkrtek> yup
[03:43] <Error404NotFound> green box means its installed
[03:43] <holstein> well, in 11.04, you default to gnome when 3d isnt available
[03:43]  * Captainkrtek eats some mango cake
[03:43] <Captainkrtek> holstein, compiz still runs
[03:43] <holstein> interesting
[03:43] <holstein> well, im not saying dont rip it out
[03:43] <Captainkrtek> yeah
[03:44] <Captainkrtek> I was suprised as well
[03:44] <holstein> im just suggesting that this is probably the same result
[03:44] <holstein> sinces its off
[03:44] <grover_78> then click apply?
[03:44] <holstein> since*
[03:44] <Captainkrtek> grover_78, apply then reboot
[03:44] <Error404NotFound> yes
[03:44] <holstein> but, you gotta try something
[03:44] <Captainkrtek> holstein, even with no effects enabled it stays loaded in memery
[03:44] <Captainkrtek> memory*
[03:44] <grover_78> reboots are kinda slow so I'll be back in a bit
[03:44] <Captainkrtek> grover_78, okay
[03:44] <holstein> sure, but its not really capable of effecting the graphics
[03:44] <holstein> other than lagging up the system i suppose
[03:44] <Captainkrtek> holstein, true, but of what ive read this fixes some stuff
[03:45] <holstein> yeah, go for it :)
[03:45] <Error404NotFound> all the crap im reading says compiz dont run in gnome
[03:45] <Captainkrtek> :)
[03:45] <Captainkrtek> doesn't hurt trying
[03:45] <holstein> Error404NotFound: im running compiz in gnome right now
[03:45] <Error404NotFound> by default
[03:45] <Captainkrtek> holstein, gnome 3?
[03:45] <holstein> its just in 11.04
[03:45] <holstein> that things have changed
[03:45] <holstein> you can still run compiz on gnome
[03:45] <holstein> BUT
[03:45] <Error404NotFound> it runs by default?
[03:45] <holstein> if your hardware doesnt do it
[03:46] <holstein> then gnome starts
[03:46] <holstein> without compiz
[03:46] <holstein> however
[03:46] <holstein> IF you have 3d
[03:46] <holstein> then running gnome would have 3d
[03:46] <grover_78> ok changes applied, I haven't rebooted yet
[03:46] <Captainkrtek> holstein, you using gnome 3?
[03:46] <Captainkrtek> grover_78, okay :-)
[03:46] <grover_78> compiz stuff is no longer in green...
[03:46] <holstein> Captainkrtek: nah
[03:46] <holstein> im running 10.04 :)
[03:46] <Captainkrtek> gotcha
[03:46] <Captainkrtek> im running 11.04 and about to install natty kubuntu
[03:47] <Captainkrtek> so I can get to work on the slave labor of evil DarkwingDuck ;)
[03:47] <holstein> i have testing installs
[03:47] <grover_78> so should I reboot now? or later on?
[03:47] <Captainkrtek> grover_78, now please so we can test
[03:47] <grover_78> ok back in a bit
[03:47] <Captainkrtek> k
[03:47] <grover_78> *gone*
[03:47] <Captainkrtek> heh
[03:47] <holstein> if you can max out the ram in those old boxes
[03:47] <holstein> sometimes you can do OK
[03:47] <holstein> but the video performance is never stellar
[03:48] <Error404NotFound> i got natty on my old p4
[03:48] <Error404NotFound> runs great
[03:48] <Captainkrtek> holstein, I have Ubuntu 8.04 running fine on an old box :P
[03:48] <Captainkrtek> ancient P4
[03:48] <holstein> im using peppermint these days
[03:48] <Error404NotFound> i have p4 3.4ghz extreme
[03:48] <holstein> im talking about p2's and p3's
[03:48] <Error404NotFound> ooh
[03:48] <holstein> like an 800mhz
[03:48] <Error404NotFound> someone
[03:48] <holstein> with 128 of ram
[03:49] <Error404NotFound> is there a way to resize the picture in ubuntu?
[03:49] <Captainkrtek> holstein, I have Ubuntu Server running off 4 sticks of 64MB and two P2's
[03:49] <Captainkrtek> beat that ;)
[03:49] <holstein> Captainkrtek: :)
[03:49] <Captainkrtek> archaic compaq servers
[03:49] <holstein> hey, if it works
[03:49] <holstein> i mean, if your like me
[03:49] <Captainkrtek> hehe
[03:49] <holstein> the network buckles way before hardware
[03:49] <Error404NotFound> i like fast
[03:50] <Captainkrtek> yeah
[03:50] <holstein> Captainkrtek: old scsi drives?
[03:50] <Captainkrtek> holstein, 16 of em
[03:50] <holstein> those are fast*
[03:50] <Captainkrtek> lol
[03:50] <Captainkrtek> each one is like 8gigs
[03:50] <Error404NotFound> pfft
[03:52] <grover_78> ok I'm back
[03:52] <Captainkrtek> any change?
[03:52] <Captainkrtek> in terms of performace
[03:52] <Captainkrtek> performance*
[03:52] <Error404NotFound> i still think i need a new nic driver
[03:52]  * holstein crosses fingers
[03:53] <grover_78> haven't tried anything else, but just the loading time for U seems faster
[03:53] <grover_78> hang on I'll load up youtube
[03:53] <holstein> thats good
[03:53] <Captainkrtek> :D
[03:53] <Error404NotFound> http://www.speedtest.net/result/1295151978.png
[03:53] <Error404NotFound> ^slow
[03:53] <Error404NotFound> fix my network someone
[03:53] <Captainkrtek> Error404NotFound, those aren't the most accurate
[03:53] <holstein> thats about what i got actually
[03:54] <Error404NotFound> im usualy over 50 down and like 8 up
[03:54] <grover_78> youtube is slightly better
[03:55] <Error404NotFound> he needs the flash fix
[03:55] <holstein> slightly is a step
[03:55] <Captainkrtek> Error404NotFound, depends on time of day, line noise, distance, file size, etc
[03:55]  * holstein high-fives Captainkrtek 
[03:55] <Captainkrtek> Error404NotFound, that's only for x64 computers
[03:55] <Captainkrtek> holstein, there isn't a whole lot we can do
[03:55] <Error404NotFound> oic
[03:55] <Captainkrtek> thanks holstein ;)
[03:55] <grover_78> ok, now do I go to adobe for flash or is there proprietary stuff ?
[03:55] <Error404NotFound> worked on my laptop
[03:55] <holstein> grover_78: you can try a lighter browser
[03:55] <holstein> like midori
[03:55] <grover_78> I've got firefox and chromium
[03:56] <grover_78> I ran youtube just now in firefox
[03:56] <holstein> grover_78: open up a terminal
[03:56] <holstein> and run
[03:56] <Error404NotFound> open software center and search for flash
[03:56] <holstein> sudo apt-get install midori
[03:56] <Captainkrtek> ^ +1
[03:57] <Error404NotFound> i want to say sudo apt-get install ie9
[03:57] <holstein> grover_78: theres a big metapackage as well for flash and whatnot
[03:57] <grover_78> well which one should I do first??
[03:58] <holstein> grover_78: check out https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/
[03:58] <Error404NotFound> i doubt midori will help him much
[03:58] <holstein> the package most get is ubuntu-restricted-extras
[03:58] <holstein> but, i suggest you read so you know what all is in there
[03:58] <Error404NotFound> i know what he needs guys
[03:58] <grover_78> I got that package already
[03:58] <Error404NotFound> a hammer!
[03:58] <holstein> grover_78: OK
[03:58] <Error404NotFound> bam bam!
[03:58] <holstein> so you have flash and mp3 playback then
[03:59] <holstein> try midori
[03:59] <grover_78> lol I agree 404! a nice 10lb sledge would fix this thing nicely :)
[03:59] <holstein> its nice and light anyways
[03:59] <grover_78> holstien, haven't tried mp3s yet
[03:59] <holstein> even if its doesnt help with the video playback
[03:59] <holstein> grover_78: SO, in here
[03:59] <holstein> just type hol and hit the tab key
[03:59] <holstein> and it will auto-complete holstein
[04:00] <grover_78> holstein, cool
[04:00] <holstein> you can do that in ther terminal too
[04:00] <Error404NotFound> no wai!
[04:00] <holstein> to complete paths
[04:00] <holstein> and commands
[04:00] <grover_78> just type the first few letters and hit tab for autocomplete?
[04:00] <holstein> grover_78: well, the first letter will do
[04:00] <holstein> but
[04:01] <holstein> if there are more than one option
[04:01] <holstein> you'll either get a list in the terminal
[04:01] <holstein> OR cycle through them in here
[04:01] <holstein> like type c
[04:01] <holstein> and hit tab a bunch
[04:01] <Captainkrtek> holstein, some nuub changed the Ubuntu 1 bug name and description 0_0
[04:01] <holstein> you'll see it go through the C"s
[04:01] <grover_78> right I see what you mean holstein
[04:02] <Captainkrtek> grover_78, so you're computer running a bit better?
[04:02] <grover_78> seems to be
[04:02] <grover_78> I should find that game I tried before and see
[04:02] <Captainkrtek> pong ;)
[04:02] <grover_78> I deleted it because it lagged so bad
[04:03] <grover_78> hang on I'll find it and reload it...
[04:04] <grover_78> nvm I still have "frets on fire" on here. I tried to load it with the same result as before. LAG LAG and more LAG
[04:04] <grover_78> :(
[04:04] <holstein> :/
[04:04] <Error404NotFound> aww man one of my fav hockey players died today
[04:04] <Captainkrtek> oh well :?
[04:04] <Captainkrtek> :/
[04:04] <Error404NotFound> damn
[04:05] <Error404NotFound> was only 28
[04:05] <grover_78> I hate to say it but I'm almost tempted to go back to XP :(
[04:05] <Error404NotFound> lol
[04:05] <Error404NotFound> i said that too man
[04:05] <Error404NotFound> and i have windows 7
[04:05] <Error404NotFound> im still here
[04:05] <holstein> grover_78: for old hardware
[04:05] <Captainkrtek> grover_78, you may want to try Kubuntu
[04:05] <holstein> its a tought call
[04:05] <holstein> tough*
[04:06] <grover_78> what's the difference with kubuntu to ubuntu?
[04:06] <holstein> i usually try a lighter linux
[04:06] <holstein> like puppy
[04:06] <Captainkrtek> holstein, DSL ;)
[04:06] <holstein> which runs great live
[04:06] <holstein> DSL is nice :)
[04:06] <Error404NotFound> dsl is old tech...
[04:07] <holstein> depends
[04:07] <Captainkrtek> Error404NotFound, Damn Small Linux
[04:07] <Error404NotFound> lol
[04:08] <Captainkrtek> it's a distro
[04:08] <Error404NotFound> silly cracker
[04:08] <grover_78> so what's the recommendation?
[04:08] <Captainkrtek> grover_78, I say try Kubuntu maybe
[04:08] <Captainkrtek> or arch
[04:08] <grover_78> so do I need to do a complete format/install?
[04:08] <Captainkrtek> err
[04:08] <Captainkrtek> I mean Mint
[04:08] <Captainkrtek> holstein, maybe mint ?
[04:09] <holstein> grover_78: try live CD's
[04:09] <holstein> puppy
[04:09] <holstein> and http://peppermintos.com/
[04:10] <Captainkrtek> yeah
[04:10] <holstein> see if you can squeeze a little more performance out of i
[04:10] <holstein> t
[04:10] <Captainkrtek> brb working out a kernel bug
[04:10] <grover_78> live CD's... meaning run  the OS off the CD instead of installing to the HD??
[04:11] <holstein> grover_78: unless you are OK wiping the OS a lot
[04:11] <holstein> which is fine too
[04:11] <holstein> i enjoy hoping around like that
[04:11] <holstein> as long as its not my main machine
[04:11] <grover_78> well we just got my wife a new laptop (running Win7) so all my files are backed up there.
[04:12] <Captainkrtek> grover_78, live USB
[04:12] <grover_78> I guess this is kinda my "hopbby machine now
[04:12] <holstein> thats great :)
[04:12] <holstein> if you get the chance
[04:12] <holstein> give linux some nice hardware
[04:12] <holstein> and really see what it can do
[04:12] <grover_78> lol sorry about the typos was talking ot my wife and not watching the screen
[04:12] <holstein> but, thats a great way to get started
[04:12] <holstein> just have a hobby box
[04:13] <holstein> and play with live CD's or installs
[04:13] <holstein> break it, fix it
[04:13] <grover_78> right
[04:13] <holstein> learn
[04:13] <holstein> good times :)
[04:13] <grover_78> hang tight, before I do anything else I'm at least gonna transfer my MP3s to the 2nd HD, that way this HD I can wipe if I need to
[04:13] <Error404NotFound> breaking it makes me wnt to break out a big hammer
[04:14] <holstein> sux if you just have one machine
[04:14] <Error404NotFound> i have 3
[04:14] <holstein> took me a long time to move my audio recording production machine over to linux
[04:14] <Captainkrtek> I have 20
[04:14] <Captainkrtek> heh
[04:14] <Error404NotFound> lol
[04:14] <holstein> yeah, im somewhere in between there
[04:15] <holstein> nah, i got 20 :)
[04:15] <Error404NotFound> 186 dx dont count as a computer...
[04:15] <Captainkrtek> 3 servers, 12 desktops, 3 laptops, 2 netbooks
[04:17] <grover_78> ok this is odd
[04:17] <grover_78> it appears I've got ubuntu on BOTH HD's
[04:17] <Error404NotFound> lol
[04:18] <grover_78> I guess I could format the smaller HD and use it for file backup...and it wouldn't be effected by anything I do on the 80g right?
[04:18] <Error404NotFound> do you remember installing it twice?
[04:18] <grover_78> no I don't
[04:18] <Error404NotFound> did you use a swap?
[04:19] <grover_78> no I formatted and did a fresh install
[04:19] <Error404NotFound> ext4?
[04:19] <grover_78> umm... huh?
[04:19] <Error404NotFound> format
[04:20] <Error404NotFound> like ntfs for windows
[04:20] <Error404NotFound> ext4 for linux
[04:20] <grover_78> I dunno. When I was on XP I downloaded it, burned the ISO to a CD and then wiped the whole computer and installed it
[04:20] <Captainkrtek> grover_78, need help?
[04:20] <Error404NotFound> you may be using ext2 then
[04:20] <grover_78> lol I think I'm beyond help Capn
[04:20] <Error404NotFound> and prolly didnt make a swap
[04:20] <Captainkrtek> grover_78, nahh :P
[04:21] <grover_78> ok so what I want to do is wipe whatever I've got on my small HD and then use it as file backup
[04:21] <grover_78> that way the larger HD can be used for installing whichever OS
[04:21] <grover_78> or running live CD or USB
[04:22] <grover_78> that way I can try a lighter OS and see if that helps my performance issues
[04:22] <Error404NotFound> would ext4 run different?
[04:23] <holstein> grover_78: check in the menu for gparted
[04:23] <Error404NotFound> he prolly didnt use gparted
[04:23] <grover_78> I don't think I did... where would I check that?
[04:24] <Error404NotFound> is it in ubuntu?
[04:25] <grover_78> ok I figured out I am indeed using ext4 (version 1.0)
[04:25] <grover_78> not sure what that means but there ya go
[04:25] <Error404NotFound> file format lol
[04:26] <Error404NotFound> did you create swap space?
[04:26] <grover_78> on which HD?
[04:26] <Error404NotFound> main hdd
[04:26] <grover_78> dunno, let me see if I can figure that out
[04:26] <Error404NotFound> its kind of like the 100mb partition in windows
[04:27] <grover_78> 802MB swap (on an 80 gig HD) does that sound right?
[04:27] <Error404NotFound> surely
[04:27] <grover_78> and another 802mb extended something or other
[04:27] <grover_78> the rest is free space
[04:27] <Error404NotFound> fail
[04:28] <grover_78> ?
[04:28] <Error404NotFound> did you install midori?
[04:28] <grover_78> no not yet
[04:28] <Error404NotFound> sudo apt-get install midori
[04:28] <grover_78> is it best to install from terminal or from the get software
[04:28] <Error404NotFound> terminal
[04:29] <grover_78> hang on. I keep forgetting where to find terminal LOL.
[04:29] <grover_78> ok its installing
[04:30] <Captainkrtek> hello geekosopher
[04:30] <Captainkrtek> anything we can help with?
[04:31] <grover_78> I'm thinking a cup of coffee would help me LOL
[04:31] <Error404NotFound> eww
[04:31] <Captainkrtek> grover_78, ill send you a cup
[04:31]  * Error404NotFound barfs
[04:32] <Captainkrtek> got some good stuff from Mexico and Ecuador :D
[04:32] <Error404NotFound> no such thing!
[04:32] <Error404NotFound> coffee taste like poo!
[04:32] <Error404NotFound> ill take a coke if you got one
[04:33] <Error404NotFound> and someone who knows how to use wine
[04:33] <Captainkrtek> I know how to use wine
[04:33] <grover_78> we've got a "home blend" Folgers medium roast, then we mix that 50/50 with medium roast hazelnut coffee beans :)
[04:33] <Captainkrtek> mmm
[04:33] <Error404NotFound> Captainkrtek: wine doesnt think i have any optical drives
[04:33] <Captainkrtek> I have some very smooth organic beans from Mexico
[04:34] <Error404NotFound> i have starbucks coffee
[04:34] <grover_78> ok, I formated my 40 gig to master boot file system, but now I don't see that drive anymore? how do I find it and mount it??
[04:34] <Error404NotFound> lol
[04:34] <Error404NotFound> should have formated fat
[04:34] <Captainkrtek> grover_78, System > Administration > Disk Utility
[04:35] <grover_78> ahh there it is. should I reformat it to FAT?
[04:36] <Captainkrtek> grover_78, what OS are you going to put onto it?
[04:36] <grover_78> it appears I don't have that option though. I have Master Boot Record, GUID partition table, Don't Partiion, and Apple
[04:36] <Captainkrtek> do Format
[04:36] <Captainkrtek> no Partition
[04:36] <grover_78> I was just gonna wipe whatever is on there and store files on it so I can use the main HD for the OS (whichever one I decide on, likely linux of some form
[04:36] <Captainkrtek> Format to Ext3
[04:37] <Error404NotFound> you are gonna use for storage yes?
[04:37] <grover_78> I don't think I have the option to select the file format though Captainkrtek
[04:37] <Captainkrtek> grover_78, you do, hold on
[04:37] <Error404NotFound> sure you do
[04:37] <grover_78> show me the way boys!
[04:37] <Captainkrtek> grover_78, Format Volume
[04:37] <Captainkrtek> should be a button
[04:38] <grover_78> I'm in the disk utility
[04:38] <Error404NotFound> if you use fat windows will be able to read the hdd
[04:38] <Captainkrtek> click the hard drive on the left
[04:38] <grover_78> Format Drive - erase or partition the drive
[04:38] <Captainkrtek> Error404NotFound, don't use windows
[04:38] <Error404NotFound> if you use ext you will have to format again to use in wondows
[04:38] <Captainkrtek> grover_78, Dont partition
[04:39] <grover_78> ok so format it, but use the "no partition" option?
[04:39] <Captainkrtek> yes
[04:39] <Captainkrtek> then
[04:39] <Captainkrtek> format Volume
[04:39] <grover_78> done
[04:39] <grover_78> now re-mount it?
[04:39] <Captainkrtek> no
[04:39] <Captainkrtek> unmount
[04:39] <Captainkrtek> and Format Volume
[04:40] <Captainkrtek> oh hey holstein_
[04:40] <Captainkrtek> and holstein
[04:40] <holstein> great
[04:40] <holstein> whats that about
[04:40] <Captainkrtek> attack of the clones?
[04:40] <grover_78> I think it is already unmounted
[04:41] <grover_78> cuz it formatted right away
[04:41] <grover_78> like almost instantly
[04:41] <Captainkrtek> grover_78, now Format Volume
[04:41] <grover_78> ok its done
[04:42] <Captainkrtek> holstein, need an irssi shell?
[04:42] <Captainkrtek> Ill gladly make you one on my dedicated box
[04:42] <holstein> Captainkrtek: w0w
[04:42] <holstein> thanks for that :)
[04:42] <Error404NotFound> wth is that
[04:42] <holstein> i think i'll be fine when the utilities get sorted out
[04:43] <holstein> the power was down
[04:43] <holstein> now the net is in and out
[04:43] <Error404NotFound> fail
[04:43] <Captainkrtek> holstein, you sure? I got a nice box :)
[04:43] <holstein> Captainkrtek: no, im not sure :)
[04:43] <Captainkrtek> lol
[04:43] <Captainkrtek> let me make you one
[04:43] <holstein> i might take you up on that
[04:43] <Captainkrtek> PM me the pass you want
[04:43] <holstein> this is more of a learning project for me
[04:44]  * Error404NotFound is confuzzled
[04:44] <grover_78> Captainkrtek,  its done formatting... now what?
[04:44] <Error404NotFound> hammer
[04:44] <Captainkrtek> grover_78, you should be good to go
[04:44] <grover_78> ok so re-mount it and copy my files over to it?
[04:44] <Error404NotFound> yes ma'am
[04:45] <Error404NotFound> id take a hammer to my computer if it wasnt so expensive...
[04:45] <grover_78> ok dumb question. how  do I mount it? (and why do I feel so dirty saying that???) lol
[04:46] <Error404NotFound> its primal
[04:46] <Error404NotFound> you should just know how to mount it
[04:46] <Error404NotFound> open computer
[04:46] <Error404NotFound> double click
[04:46] <Captainkrtek> grover_78, from Disk Utility hit mount volume
[04:46] <Captainkrtek> lol
[04:47] <Error404NotFound> double clicking dont mount?
[04:47] <Error404NotFound> does for me
[04:47] <grover_78> double clicking doesn't do anything. And it doesn't show up under "places"
[04:48] <Error404NotFound> then ubuntu auto mounts my other hdd's
[04:48] <Captainkrtek> grover_78, from Disk Utility hit mount volume
[04:48] <grover_78> hang on. my bad
[04:48] <grover_78> ok, lets try this again
[04:48] <grover_78> format, no partiion.... which file type again?
[04:48] <grover_78> ext4?
[04:49] <Error404NotFound> grover_78:
[04:49] <Captainkrtek> ext3
[04:49] <Error404NotFound> do you intend to use that storage drive in windows
[04:50] <Captainkrtek> Error404NotFound, FAT in general only supports 4 gigs
[04:50] <Captainkrtek> unless it is fat32 then use ext3
[04:50] <Error404NotFound> will it not let you use fat32?
[04:50] <grover_78> for storage in whatever... probably gonna stay with linux for now but having the option to go back to win would be nice
[04:50] <Captainkrtek> sometimes it is not an option
[04:50] <grover_78> hang on I'll check if fat is an option
[04:51] <grover_78> it is an option
[04:51] <grover_78> should I go FAT then?
[04:51] <bodhizazen> FAT or NTFS are best if you are sharing files with windows, but I am sort of coming in the tail end of this discussion
[04:51] <Error404NotFound> fat 32 an option?
[04:51] <grover_78> yessir it is Error404NotFound
[04:51] <Error404NotFound> use it
[04:51] <Captainkrtek> bodhizazen, feel free to jump in
[04:51] <bodhizazen> If you are not using windows, ext2 or ext4 , ext3 is "OK", but performance will be slower
[04:51] <Error404NotFound> i dont think linux reads ntfs
[04:52] <bodhizazen> yes it does
[04:52] <bodhizazen> reads and writes ntfs in fact
[04:52] <bodhizazen> ntfs-3g
[04:52] <grover_78> bodhizazen, I'm a total noob these kind ppl are helping me out
[04:52] <grover_78> ok back on track... everyone agrees I should go FAT then?
[04:52] <bodhizazen> for what grover_78 ?
[04:53] <Error404NotFound> im not helping much
[04:53] <Error404NotFound> im just pretending to help
[04:53] <bodhizazen> http://www.tuxera.com/community/ntfs-3g-download/
[04:53] <Error404NotFound> to make me feel better lol
[04:53] <bodhizazen> ntfs-3g is installed by default on most distros these days
[04:53] <Captainkrtek> Error404NotFound, be careful in helping if you're unsure of what you're saying, dont wan't to bork someone elses box
[04:53] <grover_78> bodhizazen, I want to copy some files to the secondary HD for safekeeping, that way I can find a better OS for the main HD. I'm currently on Ubuntu 11.04 but having some performance issues
[04:54] <grover_78> thats it in a nutshell
[04:54] <Captainkrtek> bodhizazen, yeah i'd agree on ntfs 3g for him
[04:54] <bodhizazen> grover_78, Are you using windows at all ?
[04:54] <bodhizazen> If so, then ntfs
[04:54] <bodhizazen> If not, then ext2
[04:54] <grover_78> I was, and i might go back if I get pissed off enough trying to learn linux lol
[04:54] <grover_78> but for now the box is windows free
[04:55] <bodhizazen> If you are windows free, ext2 or ext4
[04:55] <Captainkrtek> hello GunnDawg anything we can help with?
[04:55] <grover_78> what if I might go back to win later?
[04:55] <bodhizazen> Linux does not have tools (IMO) to debug FAT or NTFS if there are problesm
[04:55] <Error404NotFound> i run natty on my raptor and win 7 on velociraptor
[04:55] <Error404NotFound> i like having both
[04:55] <Captainkrtek> bodhizazen, you're correct
[04:55] <bodhizazen> If you go back to win later, you will have to mover your data to NTFS
[04:55] <Captainkrtek> heh
[04:56] <grover_78> well, its mostly MP3s and stuff I can re-download if all else fails
[04:56] <grover_78> its not critical stuff on this box
[04:56] <grover_78> just a pain if I loose it that's all :P
[04:56] <Error404NotFound> can you move a linux hdd to other computers?
[04:57] <bodhizazen> Yes
[04:57] <Error404NotFound> and run the os on other puters
[04:57] <bodhizazen> grover_78, Well, if in doubt, use ntfs, but ntfs has it's own set of hassle
[04:57] <bodhizazen> In general yes eQL-[a]
[04:57] <bodhizazen> err Error404NotFound
[04:57] <grover_78> hmm...
[04:58] <grover_78> *thinking*
[04:58] <bodhizazen> grover_78, you have to decide, how likely are you to want to use windows ?
[04:59] <Error404NotFound> <# windows
[04:59] <Error404NotFound> doh
[04:59] <Error404NotFound> <3 windows
[04:59] <Captainkrtek> bodhizazen, you need an irssi shell?
[04:59] <grover_78> dunno at this point. I think I'll go with NTFS for now just to be safe
[04:59] <bodhizazen> irissi shell for what Captainkrtek
[04:59] <bodhizazen> grover_78, NTFS is a save choice
[04:59] <bodhizazen> Or, make one ntfs partition and one ext2
[05:00] <bodhizazen> You can mount ext2 in windows if needed
[05:00] <bodhizazen> and ntfs in Linux
[05:00] <grover_78> lol well its already done. formatted to NTFS and re-mounted
[05:00] <Captainkrtek> bodhizazen, an irssi shell on my server
[05:01] <bodhizazen> No, thanks for the offer though
[05:01] <Captainkrtek> np
[05:01] <grover_78> ok in the process of copying files over
[05:01] <bodhizazen> irssi is not my cup of tea, xchat =)
[05:02] <grover_78> now, to OS discussion
[05:02] <grover_78> or rather performance issues that led to an OS discussion
[05:02] <Captainkrtek> bodhizazen, hehe same here ;)
[05:02] <Error404NotFound> might as well use the lts
[05:02] <holstein> im surprised theres not a curses xchat
[05:02] <grover_78> I though ubuntu was supposed to be fairly light on resources... is there a lighter OS?
[05:03] <bodhizazen> Don't get me wrong, irssui has some nifty features =)
[05:03] <Captainkrtek> grover_78, Damn Small Linux
[05:03] <Captainkrtek> bodhizazen, I use xchat as well :P
[05:03] <Captainkrtek> just offering it up
[05:03] <bodhizazen> Slitaz or Tinycore =)
[05:03] <Captainkrtek> bodhizazen, DSL
[05:03] <bodhizazen> Zenix !!!!
[05:03] <grover_78> Captainkrtek, yeah that was brough up before
[05:03] <Captainkrtek> hehe
[05:03] <grover_78> as well as puppy (?)
[05:03] <Captainkrtek> yes
[05:03] <Captainkrtek> try puppy
[05:03] <Error404NotFound> is it going to matter though
[05:03] <Captainkrtek> or mint maybe
[05:03] <bodhizazen> DSL is no longer supported, and it is a 2.4 kernel
[05:04] <Captainkrtek> Error404NotFound, yes
[05:04] <Captainkrtek> bodhizazen, I know :P
[05:04] <Error404NotFound> he has crusty onboard video
[05:04] <Captainkrtek> Error404NotFound, it does matter
[05:04] <bodhizazen> Oh, with crappy on board video
[05:04] <bodhizazen> Slitaz or Tinycore =)
[05:04] <grover_78> just trying to get the most out of my machine before I have to replace it which I can't afford to do just yet
[05:04] <bodhizazen> How much RAM grover_78 ?
[05:05] <Error404NotFound> 768
[05:05] <holstein> grover_78: run a CLI server box
[05:05] <grover_78> mostly do online stuff, its basically for entertainment. watching vids, surfing the net etc
[05:05] <grover_78> holstein, huh?
[05:05] <holstein> eh, NM
[05:05] <holstein> cant watch vids that way
[05:06] <bodhizazen> http://bodhizazen.net/zenix-2.0-RC-i686.iso
[05:07] <bodhizazen> It is a debian base, openbox + tint2 for graphical interface, uses 80 Mb or so of RAM, Midori for fast internet browsing, VLC for multimedia
[05:07] <grover_78> ok, hang on
[05:07] <Captainkrtek> hi satamusic anything we can help with?
[05:08] <bodhizazen> grover_78, screenshot : http://bodhizazen.net/img/clean.png
[05:08] <holstein> bodhizazen: that looks great
[05:08] <bodhizazen> Take it for a spin holstein
[05:08] <grover_78> so can I install it right from the desktop? or do I have to burn it to a CD and install it fresh? (I am such a noob)
[05:08] <bodhizazen> It also has awesome window manager on it
[05:09] <holstein> bodhizazen: i plan to
[05:09] <bodhizazen> You have to burn it to an iso, run live to test it out
[05:09] <satamusic> i'm good, thanks Captainkrtek
[05:09] <bodhizazen> To install you have to select the install when you boot
[05:09] <bodhizazen> Go with gui install expert
[05:09] <grover_78> ok you'll have to walk me thru that, I did it in XP to get Ubuntu
[05:10] <grover_78> 12% downloaded
[05:10] <Captainkrtek> no problem satamusic :-)
[05:10] <grover_78> ... might take a while
[05:10] <bodhizazen> I am working on some web pages to go with it, and there is one very small problem with the RC, but that is easy to fix
[05:10] <Error404NotFound> you open iso with brasero
[05:10] <Error404NotFound> to burn
[05:11] <bodhizazen> grover_78, I will walk you through it
[05:11] <grover_78> well its taking it's time. we're now at 18% lol
[05:12] <grover_78> so running it off a live CD will be like how I t
[05:12] <grover_78> I "test drove" ubuntu
[05:12] <grover_78> ?
[05:12] <bodhizazen> FYI support is in #Zenix and also FYI I am working of documentation
[05:12] <bodhizazen> Yep
[05:12] <bodhizazen> Burn it to an iso
[05:12] <bodhizazen> Or if you have a flash drive you can just copy it to flash
[05:13] <bodhizazen> But it will over write any data you have on the flash drive
[05:13] <bodhizazen> You need a 1 gb flash
[05:13] <grover_78> only problem with using the USB is this computer won't boot from a USB. I have to use a CD
[05:13] <bodhizazen> dd if=/path/to/zenix.iso of=/dev/sdb
[05:13] <nit-wit> bodhizazen, is that zen desktop a modified openbox?
[05:13] <bodhizazen> where sdb is the flash drive
[05:14] <bodhizazen> nit-wit, openbox + a custom theme / gtk I wrote
[05:14] <bodhizazen> Panel is tint2
[05:14] <nit-wit> bodhizazen, very nice I'm downloading now.;)
[05:15] <bodhizazen> I am going to make a public release of the distro in a few days or so
[05:15] <grover_78> bodhizazen,  even in the BIOS there is no option for me to boot from USB, just HD, CD drive, or floppy. (yes this machine is old enough it still has a floppy drive)
[05:15] <bodhizazen> There is a 64 bit version if you prefer
[05:15] <bodhizazen> grover_78, burn to a cd then
[05:15] <Error404NotFound> no oot other device?
[05:15] <Error404NotFound> boot*
[05:15] <grover_78> bodhizazen, that's the plan
[05:16] <grover_78> Error404NotFound, nope none at all
[05:16] <bodhizazen> I am going to change machines, brb ....
[05:16] <grover_78> just the HD, CD or floppy
[05:16] <grover_78> told you it was an old machine
[05:16] <Error404NotFound> hammer~!
[05:18] <grover_78> 45%
[05:18] <Error404NotFound> you gots some slow internet lol
[05:18] <grover_78> *wonders if a hand crank would speed this thing up*
[05:20] <grover_78> 4.69Mbps down/2.17Mbps up
[05:20] <Error404NotFound> eww
[05:20] <grover_78> usually its around 8 or so, but its pretty slow tonight
[05:22] <grover_78> boy. this is really bad....
[05:23] <Error404NotFound> nic dribver might not be good
[05:23] <Error404NotFound> happened to me
[05:23] <Error404NotFound> it worked but no speed at all
[05:23] <bodhizazen> what is bad ?
[05:23] <bodhizazen> lol
[05:23] <grover_78> my internet speed
[05:23] <Error404NotFound> my nic driver
[05:23] <Error404NotFound> sucked
[05:24] <grover_78> just under 5Mbps down
[05:24] <Error404NotFound> litteraly got bytes per second
[05:24] <grover_78> bodhizazen, I've got 70% of your file downloaded
[05:24] <grover_78> lol its takin FOREVER
[05:26] <grover_78> ok so I'm gonna jump ahead a step here to make sure I know what to do
[05:26] <grover_78> once the ISO is downloaded, burn the image to a CD
[05:26] <Error404NotFound> how long left on dl grover_78
[05:27] <grover_78> reboot, and the computer should boot off the CD. testdrive the OS
[05:27] <grover_78> est 3 min 22 sec
[05:27] <Error404NotFound> im dlin at 800kbps
[05:27] <Error404NotFound> lied 1.1 mbps
[05:27] <bodhizazen> Nice server Error404NotFound =)
[05:27] <grover_78> I'm about 500kbs
[05:28] <Error404NotFound> erm
[05:28] <Error404NotFound> this 32x?
[05:28] <Error404NotFound> you have 64x?
[05:28] <grover_78> ?
[05:28] <Error404NotFound> meh nvm ima put it on my p4
[05:29] <Error404NotFound> was talkin to bodhizazen
[05:29] <grover_78> oh ok
[05:29] <Error404NotFound> i use my p4 in my theatre
[05:29] <grover_78> almost done about a min left
[05:29] <Error404NotFound> just for media
[05:30] <CapKrtek|Netbook> test
[05:30] <CapKrtek|Netbook> it works :D
[05:31] <Captainkrtek> test
[05:31] <Captainkrtek> CapKrtek|Netbook,
[05:31] <bodhizazen> CapKrtek|Netbook, what you testing ?
[05:31] <Captainkrtek> setting up a monitor for IRC
[05:31] <grover_78> ok file downloaded
[05:31] <grover_78> now what?
[05:31] <CapKrtek|Netbook> test 3
[05:31] <bodhizazen> grover_78, burn it to a CD =)
[05:32] <Error404NotFound> open with brasero
[05:32] <grover_78> burning in process :)
[05:33] <bodhizazen> brb ... again
[05:33] <Error404NotFound> lol
[05:33] <Error404NotFound> dude
[05:33] <grover_78> I'm going on the assumption that this is a bootable version?
[05:33] <CapKrtek|Netbook> test
[05:33] <Error404NotFound> i could tell when yer dl finished
[05:33] <grover_78> lol how's that?
[05:34] <CapKrtek|Netbook> can you guys see this
[05:34] <Error404NotFound> my dl popped up to 1.6mbps
[05:34] <grover_78> wow
[05:34] <grover_78> I wish I could DL stuff at that speed
[05:34] <Error404NotFound> this is slow
[05:34] <holstein> wow bodhizazen
[05:34] <holstein> thats a lot of work you did there
[05:34] <Error404NotFound> from major sites its over 3mbps
[05:34] <bodhizazen> you boot it holstein ?
[05:34] <holstein> looks really nice
[05:35] <holstein> bodhizazen: just in Vbox real quick
[05:35] <bodhizazen> Works fine in vbox
[05:35] <holstein> thats going to be my new go-to light distro :)
[05:35] <bodhizazen> Want to try awesome window manager ?
[05:35] <holstein> bodhizazen: sure
[05:35] <bodhizazen> holstein, set a password
[05:35] <Error404NotFound> time for gta
[05:35] <bodhizazen> sudo passwd buddha
[05:35] <holstein> i have, and didnt know what to do
[05:35] <holstein> bodhizazen: ok
[05:36] <bodhizazen> In the menu, under configuration, set awesome to be default
[05:36] <bodhizazen> holstein, have you used awesome before ?
[05:36] <Error404NotFound> i hope yer here tomorrow so you can help me configure it on my p4 system
[05:36] <holstein> bodhizazen: used is a stretch
[05:36] <holstein> i *tried* it
[05:36] <bodhizazen> OK
[05:36] <grover_78> ok burned to CD
[05:37] <bodhizazen> Then you sort of know what to expect
[05:37] <bodhizazen> grover_78, Boot it !!!
[05:37] <bodhizazen> Hit enter at the boot screen
[05:37] <bodhizazen> holstein, the log out and back in again
[05:37] <grover_78> ok, does it have some sort of IRC built in? or will I have to DL one to get back here?
[05:38] <Error404NotFound> pidgin ftw
[05:38] <bodhizazen> You will have to start Xchat
[05:38] <grover_78> k. gone for now, hope to be back in a few :)
[05:38] <bodhizazen> grover_78, When it starts, (xchat) select either freenode or Ubuntu Servers
[05:38] <bodhizazen> then /join #ubuntu-beginners-team
[05:39] <bodhizazen> then /join #ubuntu-beginners
[05:39] <grover_78> got it
[05:39] <bodhizazen> holstein, did awesome start for you ?
[05:39] <grover_78> back soonish
[05:40] <bodhizazen> holstein, the zenix cd will do persistence as well
[05:40] <bodhizazen> You can do a persistent home for example
[05:41] <holstein> bodhizazen: nah, im going to have to get to a bigger machine
[05:41] <holstein> *screen
[05:41] <holstein> im on a netbook
[05:41] <holstein> and i have to scroll all around right now
[05:41] <Error404NotFound> lol
[05:41] <holstein> to get to the edges :)
[05:41] <bodhizazen> As I said, I am working on documentation, final release in a week or so (I hope)
[05:42] <bodhizazen> holstein, you know how to use xrandr ?
[05:42] <holstein> bodhizazen: gtkndis is going to be available in there right?
[05:42] <bodhizazen> Open a terminal
[05:42] <bodhizazen> xrandr
[05:42] <holstein> i got just the machine for this
[05:42] <bodhizazen> to set a screen size,
[05:42] <bodhizazen> xrandr -s 800x600
[05:43] <bodhizazen> holstein, well, FYI, official support is in #Zenix or on the forums
[05:43] <bodhizazen> http://forums.zenix-os.net/
[05:44] <holstein> bodhizazen: nah, now its blank
[05:44] <bodhizazen> home page : http://zenix-os.net/
[05:44] <holstein> i want this on metal anyways
[05:44] <bodhizazen> The home page is old, when it changes to match the RC, the RC will be the final release
[05:44] <bodhizazen> holstein, If you install it ...
[05:45] <bodhizazen> choose gui install expert
[05:45] <bodhizazen> As you install, use sudo (disable the root account)
[05:45] <bodhizazen> On the page where it asks you what type of install , select "live"
[05:46] <bodhizazen> The installer does not work from the desktop, you have to select it from the boot menu
[05:51] <bodhizazen> grover_78 should be back soon =)
[06:02] <bodhizazen> grover_78, welcome back =)
[06:02] <grover_78> thanks
[06:03] <grover_78> couldn't get online with zentix
[06:03] <grover_78> so I'm back with ubuntu
[06:03] <bodhizazen> What a pain, why not ? do you know ?
[06:04] <grover_78> couldn't obtain ISP
[06:04] <grover_78> everything set to auto and it couldn't find an ISP :(
[06:04] <grover_78> slight GRRRRR lol
[06:04] <bodhizazen> What kind of setup do you have ?
[06:04] <grover_78> as in??
[06:04] <bodhizazen> router ?
[06:04] <nit-wit> bodhizazen, is your distro a yum
[06:04] <grover_78> Dlink.
[06:05] <bodhizazen> nit-wit, it is debian
[06:05] <nit-wit> cool;)
[06:05] <nit-wit> rebooting to install
[06:06] <grover_78> bodhizazen, I can get online with no issues at all when using Ubuntu,
[06:06] <grover_78> not sure why it won't grab the ISP with zentix
[06:06] <bodhizazen> OK, but how do you connect ?
[06:06] <bodhizazen> do you have a router ?
[06:06] <bodhizazen> wireless ?
[06:07] <grover_78> yeah I have a Dlink router. This box is a wired connection, wifey's laptop uses wireless
[06:07] <grover_78> (not that the laptop has anything to do with it)
[06:08] <bodhizazen> Not sure why it is a problem grover_78
[06:08] <bodhizazen> Obviously hard to debug
[06:09] <grover_78> yeah. just a little. cus to get online I need to run ubuntu. But to debug I need to be in zentix...but then I can't be online LOL
[06:10] <bodhizazen> yep
[06:10]  * grover_78 thinks this requires a fresh pot of coffee
[06:10] <grover_78> lol
[06:10] <bodhizazen> I will try to look at it grover_78
[06:11] <bodhizazen> holstein, you still running live ?
[06:11] <holstein> bodhizazen: nah
[06:12] <grover_78> thanks bodhizazen
[06:12] <grover_78> to bad I couldn't somehow run both in parallel or something
[06:12] <grover_78> do some sort of remote desktop maybe?
[06:13] <bodhizazen> grover_78, I am going to boot a box and look, burning the iso now
[06:13] <grover_78> ok
[06:17] <Fvic> hi all,can anyone please suggest any easy software to try my hands on packaging as a begginer,i have no idea regarding this.?
[06:19] <bodhizazen> booting now grover_78
[06:19] <grover_78> sorry I'm a beginner too... just started using ubuntu  this week
[06:19] <grover_78> ok bodhizazen let me know what happens
[06:20] <Fvic> how to find whether the software is already packaged or not?
[06:21] <bioterror> Fvic, http://packages.ubuntu.com/
[06:21] <grover_78> hey bioterror I didn't see you come in
[06:21] <bioterror> grover_78, I'm always here
[06:22] <grover_78> I'm just waiting for bodhizazen to check out some stuff on zentix for me. I tried it live of the CD but couldn't get online. it wouldn't obtain an ISP
[06:23] <grover_78> so I'm sitting here waiting and watching youtube while I wait
[06:23] <grover_78> tried midori, and it seems to be smoother then firefox :)
[06:24] <bioterror> yes, but lacks some features
[06:24] <bioterror> that's why it's smoother
[06:24] <grover_78> like what?
[06:24] <Fvic> bioterror,thanx..can you tell what should b the first step for packaging?i just read that packaging guide,but where to move now??
[06:24] <bioterror> Fvic, what you're up to?
[06:24] <bodhizazen> It is taking a long time to boot, might be a bad burn
[06:25] <grover_78> mine booted up fairly quickly (for this machine anyway)
[06:25] <grover_78> just couldn't connect
[06:25] <grover_78> IMHO the ubuntu seems a little more user friendly
[06:25] <grover_78> but I'll give that up if I can get better performance outta this old beast :)
[06:25] <Fvic> bioterror, actually someone told me best way to contribute n learn ubuntu is going throuogh packaging n advised me to go through packaging guide...
[06:28] <bioterror> Fvic, so you want to be a MOTU
[06:28] <buddha_> grover_78, works here
[06:28] <buddha_> so not sure why you had a problem
[06:28] <grover_78> hmm
[06:29] <buddha_> It was slow to boot
[06:29] <bioterror> Fvic, I would suggest bug squad, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Contributing
[06:29] <Fvic> bioterror, oh yes...if i could be to that level...can you guide me a bit..?
[06:29] <Fvic> bioterror, thanx..i willl just go through that
[06:29] <grover_78> I'm gonna try complete shut down (power down modem and router too) and then power up with zentix
[06:30] <bioterror> Fvic, MOTU's aint MOTU's for nothing ;)
[06:30] <bodhizazen> OK, will be here for a while grover_78
[06:31] <Fvic> bioterror, okz...i will see this now.thanx for suggestion.is packaging any software specific?
[06:32] <bioterror> Fvic, if you want to install something for your own use, you can use checkinstall
[06:32] <bioterror> after ./configure and make when you're about to say sudo make install, you say sudo checkinstall
[06:33] <bioterror> it will create a .deb file and use dpkg to install it
[06:33] <Fvic> bioterror, thanx.bioterror..grt help
[06:34] <bioterror> Fvic, checkinstall is not for the public use
[06:34] <bioterror> just for your own private use
[06:36] <Fvic> humm....well than atleast it will help me in private use...are you also heading toward being motu or smthing sir?
[06:36] <bioterror> I dunno, I'm working in down here in the support fg
[06:38] <bioterror> Fvic, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam/FocusGroups/Bugs & https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam/FocusGroups/Development
[06:38] <JackyAlcine> I'm heading towards being an MOTU, Fvic
[06:38] <JackyAlcine> Well, self-training myself to be.
[06:38] <bioterror> I have personal life too. wife and two kids. no time for keeping packages up-to-date
[06:39] <JackyAlcine> Lol, well with recipes; it happens automagically now.
[06:39] <Fvic> support fg??so yo just provide help to others..grt for community
[06:40] <bioterror> Fvic, didnt you notice how I helped you on your way to became a packer ,)
[06:40] <Fvic> JackyAlcine, i recently started this thing.was in bug fixing till now,want to move toward packaging,n u?
[06:41] <Fvic> Fvic, yes ..offcourse,ur links were of grt help,thats why m telling you
[06:41] <JackyAlcine> I'm primarily a programmer, something I'm super passionate about; stay up for days doing it at times. lol
[06:42] <JackyAlcine> But I want to become to a MOTU mainly to fully understand how software management with Debian and its forked projects works.
[06:42] <Fvic> JackyAlcine, programming is also part of mine...but that stufff doesnt support in being a moto,immean may b i donno the exact way to move ahead...
[06:43] <Fvic> JackyAlcine, samehere ,just to get in depth knwledge of package management.
[06:43] <JackyAlcine> Well, it does fall in sometimes; you may need to modify programs to maintain ABI and possible full architecture support.
[06:43] <JackyAlcine> But yeah, I think there's different types of MOTUs.
[06:44] <JackyAlcine> One thing great about them; you can always ask them a question about the process and for help in their IRC channel, #ubuntu-motu
[06:44] <Fvic> bioterror, yes offcourse.thats why i mentioned that u were of grt help sir..
[06:45] <Fvic> JackyAlcine, so how much progress you made?
[06:45] <JackyAlcine> Well, with a few personal projects of mine, I've managed to build source packages and simple binary packages.
[06:45] <JackyAlcine> I'm trying to fully understand the 'control' file and work with pre-installation and post-installation triggers.
[06:46] <Fvic> JackyAlcine, okz..i have started much recently...was not getting a gud start
[06:46] <JackyAlcine> Tried playing with the 'helloworld' package example?
[06:46] <grover_78> I'm back. No luck with zentix :(
[06:46] <Fvic> JackyAlcine, yes..n only this much have done
[06:47] <grover_78> not sure why it won't automatically grab the ISP, but oh well
[06:47] <Fvic> JackyAlcine, where to proceed,m not getting that
[06:48] <JackyAlcine> Well, one thing you might need to know as well is how to balance out a build system, very good for rolling tarballs and what not.
[06:48] <JackyAlcine> I started with GNU AutoTools, but now I'm trying my hand at CMake.
[06:50] <Fvic> JackyAlcine, so i should probably do the same..once i gain some knowledge could try hand on other..
[06:50] <JackyAlcine> Yup; that's a good way to look at it.
[06:52] <Fvic> JackyAlcine, can you be just mine mentor in that..just till i package any of software...actually i tried  but got losst in links and various suggestions by others..what exactly the next step should be?
[06:52] <bioterror> jacky has already two ;)
[06:52] <bioterror> I was just checking
[06:53]  * JackyAlcine nods. 
[06:53] <JackyAlcine> Sorry.
[06:53] <Fvic> ????
[06:53] <Fvic> its k
[07:03] <duanedesign> morning all
[08:12] <ubuntu> anyone awake rein he
[08:12] <ubuntu> here
[08:12] <klynch> define awake
[08:13] <ubuntu> good point
[08:16] <ubuntu> ok I did something and missed my OS up and I have a lot of stuff that I need to get off the HD before reinstalling but its telling that I didnt have permission for the HD or the place that im moving files to, how do I do this from terminal
[08:17] <klynch> how did you exactly mess up the OS?
[08:18] <klynch> are you trying to access the data from a live  session?
[08:19] <ubuntu> thing to mod it but it wasnt ubuntu im just using the live disk to get my files from my HD
[08:19] <ubuntu> yeah
[08:20] <klynch> So you want to grab the files from a partition on the hard-drive?
[08:20] <klynch> I would chown of the parition to whatever your username is and then make sure that chmod shows you have read access
[08:21] <klynch> you should be able to grab it then
[08:21] <ubuntu> yes and move them to a external but it tells me i dont have premission so im trying to do from terminal
[08:21] <ubuntu> ok
[08:21] <ubuntu> ill try that
[08:22] <klynch> yeah, you need to chown of that partition
[08:22] <duanedesign> you mant ant to read the Ubuntu wiki page on Sudo
[08:22] <klynch> chown <username> /dev/someparition
[08:24] <klynch> duanedesign, I will also read that, I don't usually sudo but I see that it is what we help others with here so might as well get on board. :)
[08:24] <ubuntu> ok the partition have spaces in the name and its not working
[08:26] <klynch> your parition has spaces in it?
[08:26] <ubuntu> yeah
[08:26] <duanedesign> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo
[08:26] <ubuntu> like AREA 51 and Machintosh HD
[08:26] <klynch> what does df -h
[08:27] <klynch> oh no that is not the partition. That is the filesystem  mounted on some parition.
[08:27] <ubuntu> ok
[08:28] <ubuntu> ok I think I get it now
[08:28] <klynch> did it work
[08:29] <ubuntu> typing
[08:31] <ubuntu> I didnt get any errors
[08:33] <ubuntu> dont work still cant move files
[08:33] <klynch> what is the error when you try to move the files
[08:35] <ubuntu> do not have permission to read it
[08:35] <klynch> ah so now you need to chmod files
[08:35] <ubuntu> the destination is read-only
[08:36] <klynch> if you are just trying to save the data i would just 777 it all
[08:36] <ubuntu> ok
[08:38] <klynch> is everything in one directory? If not remember to -R for recursiveness.
[08:40] <ubuntu> ?
[08:42] <klynch> was everything in one directory?
[08:42] <ubuntu> yeah
[08:42] <ubuntu> with other file in it
[08:42] <klynch> oh ok so you just chmod 777 /whateverpathtofile
[08:48] <ubuntu> still not getting anywere
[08:49] <klynch> same error
[08:49] <ubuntu> pretty much
[08:49] <bioterror> remember to use sudo while chmodding
[08:49] <klynch> good point
[08:49] <ubuntu> i did but never asked for a passord
[08:49] <ubuntu> password
[08:50] <klynch> bioterror, does it ask for one on a live session?
[08:50] <bioterror> sudo has timeout
[08:50] <bioterror> klynch, hmmm
[08:50] <bioterror> I think it should not
[08:50] <klynch> ubuntu, so no worries there.
[08:51] <ubuntu> ok
[08:53] <ubuntu> still nothing
[08:54] <klynch> hmm
[08:55] <klynch> still says you don't have permission to read it?
[08:55] <ubuntu> yep
[08:55] <bioterror> hmmm
[08:56] <ubuntu> ok the removable HD I cant add anything
[08:59] <ubuntu> and the files from my other HD cant be moved because I dont have permission to read them
[09:38] <yax51> how do I know if I have opengl installed?
[09:43] <DraZoro> yax51 : I usually check if the hardware has VGA compatibility
[09:44] <DraZoro> yax51 : Running this command while in terminal  without the quotes "lspci | grep VGA"
[09:45] <DraZoro> Ah yax51 left my bad
[09:48] <r4y> I got a dumb question. I would never not choose a password when installing Ubuntu, but anyways I want to ask this anyways
[09:48] <r4y> If someone doesn't choose to have a password when installing Ubuntu will the system files be password protected?
[09:49] <r4y> I am guessing the answer is no, right?
[09:49] <DraZoro> r4y: Is it possible to install ubuntu without choosing a password
[09:49] <bioterror> no
[09:49] <DraZoro> r4y: The answer must be a big no from my point of view
[09:50] <r4y> So Ubuntu can't be installed without a password?, I thought it had choosing a password as an option.
[09:50] <DraZoro> r4y: That would be dangerous don't advice them to get used to password less system
[09:51] <r4y> I am not advising
[09:51] <DraZoro> Ok
[09:51] <r4y> I am asking if it can. I would never install Linux without a password or tell someone to. It is just plan wrong
[09:52] <DraZoro> r4y: You can however remove the password after installing the system.
[09:53] <DraZoro> Like in one of my computer I have a user account for my little sister 4 year old without a password
[09:53] <DraZoro> She is not in the sudoes list
[09:54] <r4y> I think I understand what you mean about the setup you have for her
[09:54] <r4y> You run sudo not her
[09:54] <styx> finally
[09:54] <DraZoro> Yes
[09:54] <r4y> But on a different account
[09:54] <styx> got irssi set up to my liking
[09:55] <DraZoro> styx That is good I still have set up mine just installed yesterday
[09:55] <r4y> TY for answering my question
[09:55] <r4y> Bye, o/
[09:55] <DraZoro> Bye
[09:55] <DraZoro> See you later r4y
[09:55] <[styx]> yeha took me a while lol
[09:56] <[styx]> still need to find a decent theme
[09:56]  * [styx] just came over from xchat
[09:56] <[styx]> still exploring the plethora of scripts
[09:57] <DraZoro> That is the power of irssi
[09:57] <[styx]> yeah
[09:57] <[styx]> im liking it so far
[09:57] <[styx]> have it so when ever i get pinged theres a small split window at the top
[09:57] <DraZoro> I will join as well I got interest on irssi or weechat still exploring so far
[09:59] <[styx]> hmmh
[10:01] <DraZoro> Welcome back [styx]
[10:05] <[styx]> ?
[10:05] <DraZoro> Nothing much
[10:06] <[styx]> lol
[10:31] <brunellotod> Hi
[10:32] <brunellotod> I'm interested in contributing to
[10:32] <brunellotod> Ubuntu development
[10:33] <brunellotod> Can you give me some directive for starting?
[10:33] <brunellotod> I've read different tutorials for beginners
[10:33] <brunellotod> but I'm a bit confused
[10:35] <brunellotod> Which is the simplest way to start contributing to a project?
[10:38] <coalwater> brunellotod: u could start by reading how to join the ubuntu beginners team, u need a launchpad account and few couple steps
[10:38] <coalwater> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam/Membership
[10:38] <brunellotod> I've already created a lp account
[10:39] <brunellotod> and also I've already installed some development tools
[10:39] <coalwater> signed the code of conduct?
[10:40] <brunellotod> no
[10:41] <brunellotod> just another question
[10:41] <coalwater> yes
[10:42] <brunellotod> I've understand that beginners team persons are involved in coordinating new users
[10:42] <coalwater> u need a ssh key and open pgp key on launchpad
[10:42] <brunellotod> Do they also develop or do anything else?
[10:43] <brunellotod> I've created an ssh key and a pgp too
[10:43] <coalwater> there's a development focus  group
[10:43] <brunellotod> Should I start from it?
[10:45] <coalwater> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam/FocusGroups/Development , u could try reading there, but i -think- u need to join the beginners group first, there's currently a discussion if we should remove this step or not , but right now this is the steps, i'm just like u btw, i developer who's trying to start contributing
[10:46] <coalwater> i could but i still need lil learning, cause im learning python right now and im not good enough to start packaging something
[10:47] <brunellotod> ok
[10:47] <brunellotod> I've read that another channel exists
[10:47] <brunellotod> #ubuntu-beginners-team
[10:48] <coalwater> yea, thats the off topic chats
[10:48] <coalwater> there's #ubuntu-beginners-dev for the dev focus group
[10:49] <brunellotod> Ok
[10:49] <brunellotod> I'm starting reading links you've passed to me
[10:49] <brunellotod> very thanks to you
[10:50] <brunellotod> I hope to undestand something more :-D
[10:50] <coalwater> o and try to subscribe to the mailing list
[10:50] <brunellotod> ok , I'll do
[10:51] <coalwater> just do the beginners team steps, it would make people get to know u , and also keep u updated to whatever happens in the team
[10:52] <coalwater> mail list subscription, and send  an introduction email :P
[10:52] <brunellotod> ok
[10:52] <coalwater> ull find the format in the wiki
[10:58] <r4y> I have another dumb question
[10:58] <r4y> Does a wired router need encryption?
[10:58] <r4y> I am only used to using a wireless router
[10:59] <r4y> I was googling it and figured I could find the answer quicker here
[11:01] <geirha> Nah, you only need encryption for wireless.
[11:01] <r4y> Cool, I just found the same answer here as well:
[11:01] <r4y> http://www.computing.net/answers/networking/is-encryption-needed-for-the-wired-/33960.html
[11:01] <r4y> TY for answering my question, bye o/
[11:03] <r4y> If I ever do end up using a purely wired connect I will be looking into it more in the future
[11:30] <r4y> I had really looked into whether I need a firewall or not back when I didn't know what IRC was
[11:31] <r4y> I found this link which is one I've seen many times and I realize that I may not need it but I have a question based on it which should hopefully be understandable for me to ask
[11:31] <r4y> http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/security
[11:31] <r4y> He says A firewall, however, adds the benefit of peace-of-mind from accidentally installing a server program that opens up a port by default.
[11:32] <r4y> How do I know if I have such a program installed?, Is a torrent client a server program?
[11:33] <r4y> OK, I know a few things so please don't bash me
[11:34] <r4y> I know that when choosing upnp with Deluge and my router that one of them picks a port to open which I think is a random port or something like that
[11:35] <r4y> If upnp is not listed or is not being used then port forwarding has be done by the user choosing ports that can be used for port forwarding
[11:35] <r4y> Which is for static IP addresses and so on
[11:36] <r4y> Does Deluge for instance need a firewall?
[11:36] <r4y> Since my router has wpa encryption does that count for a firewall?
[11:59] <JackyAlcine> r4y, try using ufw and get gufw.
[11:59] <JackyAlcine> The firewall and its accompanying GUI.
[12:00] <r4y> I may try installing a Firewall on my experimental hard drive for the sake of learning
[12:01] <r4y> Does Ubuntu need a firewall for programs like Deluge? or does Deluge have it's own firewall?
[12:02] <r4y> I have many links on firewalling linux and I am still confused, but it seems there is no need unless I am running something server related
[12:02] <r4y> I really looked into to this
[12:02] <r4y> I know that no computer is safe
[12:03] <JackyAlcine> No, Ubuntu doesn't. But yeah, no computer is safe.
[12:03] <JackyAlcine> ufw runs on start, and manages your ports using rules; it's a typical and recommended firewall.
[12:03] <JackyAlcine> sudo apt-get install gufw would install both the GUI and command line app.
[12:04] <r4y> TY, I will make note in a text file for future reference
[12:04] <r4y> I have many text files for this kind of info
[12:05] <r4y> That wasn't properly written
[12:05] <r4y> I meant what I just wrote
[12:05] <JackyAlcine> Lol, no problem.
[12:08] <r4y> I read somewhere that guard dog was recommended over some other firewall but I don't remember what other firewall
[12:08] <r4y> I think it was Firestarter
[12:09] <r4y> So then it's either gufw or Guard Dog for me when I try out firewalls with Ubuntu Linux
[12:09] <r4y> My uncle told me about a firewall called Smooth wall
[12:10] <UndiFineD> r4y, Those are all fine other firewalls, but you will not find a more ubuntu integrated one than (g)ufw
[12:11] <r4y> He had many computers in his house so he routed Internet through a computer running Linux as a server for protection using a Firewall
[12:11] <r4y> OK, then gufw it is, so I am guessing the g stands for Gnome
[12:11] <UndiFineD> yes or gui
[12:12] <bioterror> gtk!
[12:12] <UndiFineD> bioterror, :)
[12:13] <r4y> I thought that was off, but I get mixed up pretty easy
[12:13] <r4y> gui stands for Graphical User Interface
[12:14] <bioterror> hi undi
[12:14] <bioterror> gtk used to "gimp tool kit" but nowdays gtk is not part of GIMP, it's a thing on its own
[12:14] <bioterror> to be
[12:16] <r4y> It also stands for Gnome Tool kit?, and Good To Know.
[12:16] <r4y> What we I not won Johny?
[12:16] <bioterror> no
[12:16] <bioterror> gimp ;)
[12:17] <r4y> Oops
[12:17] <bioterror> "bring out the Gimp!" ;D
[12:17]  * bioterror giggles
[12:17] <r4y> http://www.abbreviations.com/GTK
[12:17] <r4y> GIMP is great, I am not, lol
[12:17] <r4y> Just joking, you guys are cool
[12:18] <r4y> Anyone could have posted that
[12:19] <r4y> I forgot to take out the I in that edited quote from What has he won Johny?, Which is messed up
[12:19] <r4y> Anyways, I am going to split
[12:20] <UndiFineD> wait what freenode it splitting again ?
[12:21] <r4y> No, I am going to leave you guys in peace by going
[12:23] <r4y> I made note of the fine comments you guys made clear to me. gufw is the most integrated firewall listed so far, and so forth
[12:23] <UndiFineD> hope to see you again r4y
[12:23] <r4y> TY, bye o/ and sorry for all the posting and any of my mindless chatter
[12:24] <r4y> I hope to talk again to all of you. You have been greatly helpful. Take care
[13:04] <stlsaint_> duanedesign: youtube :D
[14:04] <Steven_srs> i have a laptop with ubuntu 11 (64bit) installed, i have original windows vista CD, how can I install windows alongside ubuntu?
[14:05] <Sidewinder1> You should install Windows FIEST then ubuntu as win will bork your GRUB if you install win last.
[14:06] <Sidewinder1> FIRST
[14:06] <Steven_srs> so, there is no possibility to work from ubuntu then?
[14:07] <Sidewinder1> Well, if you install windows after ubuntu you will have to repair GRUB, There are tutorials for doing exactly that.
[14:08] <Sidewinder1> I always try to keep things simple so I can't give you a step by step.
[14:09] <stlsaint> Steven_srs: use the ubuntu disk utility to partition some space for windows, install windows and then repair grub
[14:11] <stlsaint> Steven_srs: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2#Reinstalling GRUB 2
[14:11] <Sidewinder1> Steven_srs, Perhaps this link will help: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1035999&highlight=Repairing+GRUB+windows+install
[14:16] <Steven_srs> thanks, will have a read through!
[17:22] <Sidewinder1> So, can anyone enlighten me what this "voice" thing is? I'm guessing my IRC client (X-Chat), does not have that capeability...
[17:22] <UndiFineD> Sidewinder1, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat
[17:23] <Sidewinder1> If not, how would I configure?
[17:23] <UndiFineD> and xchat does support that
[17:23] <Sidewinder1> UndiFineD, Thanx, I'll have a look.
[17:26] <Sidewinder1> Checked that and some of the links within; on quick glance couldn't find anything related to voice. Could you please, be more specific? I don't mond at all doing the reading...
[17:26] <Sidewinder1> mind
[17:29] <Captainkrtek> hello
[17:29] <coalwater> Sidewinder1: i think ur guessing voice is actually 'voice' , it's not, its just a flag given to certain uses
[17:29] <Sidewinder1> coalwater, Thanx
[17:29] <Captainkrtek> voice is used in this channel to show who are mentors/guides
[17:30] <Sidewinder1> And not Ops, I'm guessing.
[17:30] <Captainkrtek> no ops
[17:30] <Captainkrtek> only chanserv
[17:30] <Sidewinder1> Gotcha
[17:30] <Captainkrtek> welcome :)
[17:31] <Sidewinder1> Right back at 'ya. :-)
[17:31] <Captainkrtek> what do you do in the community?
[17:32] <Sidewinder1> Help as much as I am capeable of on #ubuntu and the forums.org...
[17:32] <Captainkrtek> cool
[17:32] <Captainkrtek> have you considered doing documentation?
[17:32] <Sidewinder1> My first was Gutsy.
[17:33] <Sidewinder1> Now, Lucid; I like LTS
[17:33] <Sidewinder1> I'm also a "Trekie"
[17:34] <Captainkrtek> heh
[17:34] <Captainkrtek> well if you want to help more I can get you setup on the docs team
[17:34] <Sidewinder1> Original, Next Gen. Voyager...All the movies. Didn't care for deep 9.
[17:34] <Captainkrtek> lol
[17:35] <Sidewinder1> :-) It's all good/
[17:35] <Sidewinder1> Docs team?
[17:35] <Captainkrtek> yeah
[17:35] <Sidewinder1> Link?
[17:35] <Captainkrtek> the team that writes all the documentation
[17:35] <Captainkrtek> help guides etc
[17:35] <Captainkrtek> hold on
[17:36] <Sidewinder1> Oh, hell, I'm not that good; I just try to help when/where I can
[17:36] <Captainkrtek> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-docs
[17:36] <Captainkrtek> it's not too hard
[17:36] <Sidewinder1> My wife tells me that my advice is worth exactly what I charge for it. :-)
[17:37] <Sidewinder1> Yes, I know all about launchpad.
[17:37] <Captainkrtek> you don't necessarily have to write whole new guides
[17:37] <Captainkrtek> just edit and review
[17:37] <Sidewinder1> Biggest problem is I can't type; and it gets worse the older that I gat. :-(
[17:38] <Captainkrtek> okay
[17:38] <Sidewinder1> get, see what I mean...
[17:38] <Captainkrtek> sorry to hear :/
[17:39] <Sidewinder1> I'm just very big on the FOSS and community help; you know, the definition of ubuntu...
[17:39] <Sidewinder1> Side=fanboy
[17:39] <Sidewinder1> at 56
[17:40] <Captainkrtek> yea
[17:40] <Sidewinder1> Not only that, but, I drink! :-)
[17:40] <Captainkrtek> hahaha
[17:40] <Sidewinder1> Heh, heh heh
[17:40] <Sidewinder1> And smoke.
[17:41] <Sidewinder1> Gotta love the vices!
[17:42] <Captainkrtek> haha well if you ever want to get involved more just ping me :-)
[17:43] <Sidewinder1> Ping or PM?
[17:43] <Captainkrtek> pm
[17:44] <Captainkrtek> or just find me on here
[17:44] <Sidewinder1> Appreciate that! :-)
[17:45] <Captainkrtek> any time :)
[17:45] <Sidewinder1> :-)
[17:47] <Sidewinder1> The above is a perfect example of why, eventually (it may take a decade or two), this will put the proprietary buffoons out of business; or, so I hope...The 'Net is and always has been based on shared knowlege.
[17:47] <Captainkrtek> yes :)
[17:47] <Captainkrtek> see Ubuntu bug #1 ;)
[17:48] <Sidewinder1> ?
[17:48] <ubot2> Captainkrtek: Error: Could not parse data returned by Ubuntu: The read operation timed out (https://launchpad.net/bugs/1)
[17:48] <Sidewinder1> where?
[17:48] <Captainkrtek> hold on
[17:49] <UndiFineD> https://launchpad.net/bugs/1
[17:49] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1 in ubuntu "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,In progress]
[17:49] <Sidewinder1> The 'bot beat 'ya to it. :-)
[17:49] <Captainkrtek> damn
[17:49] <Captainkrtek> thanks UndiFineD :P
[17:50] <Captainkrtek> hi harleydude, anything we can help with? :-)
[17:50] <harleydude> Anyone know much about tweaking settings using Deluge client?
[17:51] <harleydude> Trying to get fastest possible download.
[17:51] <Sidewinder1> You a'int kidden' me' that entry was created be Micro$oft... :-)
[17:51] <Captainkrtek> harleydude: you may want to try #ubuntu
[17:52] <harleydude> Captainkrtek, thanks will do.
[17:52] <UndiFineD> harleydude, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BitTorrent#Deluge (Python)
[17:52] <harleydude> UndiFineD, Thanks
[17:53] <Captainkrtek> I should make me a bot, one that says
[17:53] <UndiFineD> to speed things up you have to know the difference between active and passive torrent clients
[17:53] <harleydude> Looks like a good tutorial Thanks much
[17:53] <Captainkrtek> "Hi $username , anything we can help with?"
[17:53] <Captainkrtek> heh
[17:54] <Sidewinder1> harleydude, One of the things that will speed up downloads id to configure your client to use a specific port; then, go into your router settings and allow port forwarding to that port...
[17:54] <Sidewinder1> is
[17:54] <Captainkrtek> harleydude: if you need help port forwarding, let me know
[17:55] <Sidewinder1> See what I maen about my typing? :-(
[17:55] <Sidewinder1> mean
[17:55] <Captainkrtek> Sidewinder1: it's not that bad
[17:55] <Sidewinder1> God, I hate gettin' old.
[17:55] <Captainkrtek> heh
[17:55] <Captainkrtek> you should talk to Valorie
[17:55] <Captainkrtek> Linux Grandma :)
[17:56] <Sidewinder1> Gonna go get another Scotch; NO that doesn;t have a damn thing to do with it...;-)
[17:56] <harleydude> Sidewinder1, I have used that for setting up a remote connection before, but didn't think of using that way Great idea Will do some reading up on it, Thanks
[17:56] <Captainkrtek> heh
[17:56] <Sidewinder1> ;-)
[17:57] <Sidewinder1> All's right with the world.
[17:57] <Sidewinder1> BRB.
[17:57] <harleydude> Much better aligned now :o)
[17:57] <harleydude> Have a great day everyone!
[18:00] <Sidewinder1> Ahhh, much better.
[18:00] <Sidewinder1> Now, just to roll a smoke.
[18:01] <Sidewinder1> Captainkrtek, May I PM you?
[18:01] <Captainkrtek> sure
[18:30] <Fvic> i have a sorce package of grep.how to check how many binary packages are generated by the source package??please help
[18:40] <geirha> grep ^Package: debian/control  # I think
[18:42] <geirha> Fvic: ^
[18:42] <Sidewinder1> geirha, Perhaps command line issues might be better addressed in the #ubuntu channel?
[18:43] <Sidewinder1> Just a thought.
[18:47] <geirha> Sidewinder1: Perhaps, the border between a beginner question and a general question is abit vague though, but it does feel like a more advanced question.
[18:47] <geirha> I think a motu or dpkg channel would be more appropriate.
[18:53] <Sidewinder1> geirha, No prob, my wife keeps telling me that my advice is worth exactly what I charge for it. :-)
[19:35] <renshai> Hey guys. I'm looking to make/use a small app that will display information from a text file and update in real time, terminal/tail are not really what I have in mind from what I understand using them...any suggestions?
[19:35] <styx> ok i need help
[19:36] <styx> anyone here
[19:36] <renshai> Ask, styx, might not get a response instantly but everytime I've had a question someone eventually sees it and answers as best they can
[19:36] <styx> ok
[19:36] <Captainkrtek> styx: I can help
[19:36] <Captainkrtek> :-)
[19:37] <styx> well i was messing around with compiz and messed up the window system
[19:37] <styx> theres no minimize on x buttons
[19:37] <Captainkrtek> okay
[19:37] <Captainkrtek> let's do this
[19:37] <Captainkrtek> Alt+f2
[19:37] <Captainkrtek> gconf-editor
[19:37] <styx> kk
[19:37] <styx> got it
[19:37] <Captainkrtek> Apps > metacity
[19:37] <styx> so far
[19:37] <Captainkrtek> Im not in Ubuntu right now
[19:37] <Captainkrtek> so hold on..
[19:38] <Captainkrtek> umm yeah go to apps
[19:38] <Captainkrtek> you see metacity?
[19:38] <styx> kk
[19:38] <styx> no
[19:38] <Captainkrtek> hold on
[19:39] <Captainkrtek> should be apps > metacity > general
[19:39] <Captainkrtek> or you could just re-install compiz :P
[19:40] <styx> lol
[19:40] <styx> hold on
[19:40] <MichealH> styx, So there is no Minimise button?
[19:40] <styx> nope
[19:40] <styx> reinstalled compiz lol
[19:41] <Captainkrtek> System > Administration > Synaptic Package Manager > Quick Filter: Compiz > mark for removal, apply, reboot, then mark for install
[19:41] <MichealH> Does it work?
[19:41] <Captainkrtek> lol
[19:41] <Captainkrtek> damn I just typed all that
[19:41] <styx> sorry
[19:41] <Captainkrtek> :P
[19:41] <Captainkrtek> It's fine
[19:41] <MichealH> styx, So does it show up? :)
[19:41] <Captainkrtek> I actually gotta get going, if you need anything just /query captainkrtek|bbl and ill reply when I get back
[19:42] <styx> ok
[19:42] <MichealH> Captainkrtek, Or I can take over from here :P
[19:42] <styx> micheal im in it now
[19:42] <Captainkrtek> MichealH: that to ;)
[19:42] <Captainkrtek> thanks MichealH
[19:42] <styx> the settings managr
[19:42] <MichealH> Okay
[19:42] <MichealH> Lemme open mine ;)
[19:42] <bioterror> Captainkrtek|bbl, no away nicks! ;)
[19:42] <Captainkrtek|bbl> bioterror: harsh ;)
[19:42] <styx> lol
[19:42] <Captainkrtek> fine
[19:43] <bioterror> Captainkrtek, /away reason
[19:43] <MichealH> styx, Click the arrow next to "apps"
[19:43] <Captainkrtek> bioterror: fine :P
[19:43] <MichealH> Captainkrtek, /away works fine :P
[19:43] <Captainkrtek> I know I know
[19:43] <bioterror> and no public aways then! ;)
[19:43] <[styx]> yes michael
[19:43] <Captainkrtek> cya peoples
[19:44] <MichealH> [styx], You may now see the metacity list item, with a arrow next to it, correct?
[19:44] <MichealH> You may need to scroll down a little
[19:45] <[styx]> cant find it
[19:45] <MichealH> Above "nautilus"
[19:45] <MichealH> Below "mahjongg"
[19:46] <[styx]> below that is minecraft lol
[19:46] <MichealH> minecraft?
[19:46] <[styx]> a game
[19:46] <MichealH> I dont even have that, and I use minecraft :P
[19:46] <[styx]> lol wtf
[19:46] <MichealH> Lets start again ;)
[19:46] <[styx]> lol ok
[19:46] <MichealH> ALT+F2 :P
[19:47] <[styx]> done
[19:47] <MichealH> Type in "gconf-editor"
[19:47] <MichealH> Then enter
[19:47] <[styx]> ok im in it
[19:47] <MichealH> apps> metactity>general ?
[19:48] <MichealH> *metacity
[19:48] <[styx]> yay!
[19:48] <[styx]> its there
[19:48] <MichealH> Right, lemme look at my settings manager :)
[19:48] <[styx]> ok thanks so much
[19:48] <MichealH> In button_layout waht does it show?
[19:48] <MichealH> You can Copy and Paste it here :)
[19:49] <[styx]> hold on
[19:49] <MichealH> yours by default should say "close,minimize,maximize:"
[19:50] <[styx]> thats it
[19:50] <MichealH> You have a minimise button now? :)
[19:50] <[styx]> no
[19:51] <MichealH> And yours says the same as mine?
[19:52] <[styx]> yes
[19:52] <[styx]> under value?
[19:52] <MichealH> Yeah
[19:52] <[styx]> i think its somethin different
[19:52] <MichealH> Please copy and paste it
[19:52] <[styx]> i cant even maximiz when right clicking the window and the bottmo
[19:53] <MichealH> Click the value once, then one again, then copy and paste into this baox :)
[19:53] <MichealH> *box
[19:53] <[styx]> hold in
[19:54] <[styx]> i cant the the terminal option to past in
[19:54] <[styx]> im in irssi
[19:54] <MichealH> In the terminal its a little weird
[19:54] <[styx]> wait
[19:54] <MichealH> You are using CTRL+C and CTRL+V right? If so In therminal Its CTRL+ALT+V
[19:55] <holstein> control+shift
[19:55] <MichealH> I thought it was ALT :/
[19:55] <MichealH> Oh yeah, shift :P
[19:55] <holstein> :)
[19:55] <[styx]> /apps/metacity/general/button_layout
[19:55] <[styx]> there we go lol
[19:56] <[styx]> wait
[19:56] <[styx]> copied the wrong thing
[19:56] <[styx]> close,minimize,maximize:
[19:56] <MichealH> Lemme put mine in to compare :)
[19:56] <MichealH> close,minimize,maximize:
[19:57] <MichealH> Seems the same
[19:57] <[styx]> yeah
[19:57] <[styx]> i could reboot?
[19:57] <MichealH> You can try that, yeah :)
[19:57] <[styx]> kk
[19:57] <[styx]> brb
[19:58] <holstein> nah, its immediate if memory serves
[19:58] <holstein> might need to open a new window
[19:59] <holstein> to see the changes
[19:59] <styx> nope
[19:59] <MichealH> Good to check though, head_victim
[19:59] <holstein> that is a fast boot styx :)
[19:59] <styx> lol
[20:00] <MichealH> styx, Did you install Compix config settings manager, by any chance?
[20:00] <styx> yes why
[20:00] <MichealH> It could be something in there, IIRC
[20:00] <styx> ok
[20:00] <holstein> you trying to move the buttons?
[20:00] <MichealH> Lemme install it :P
[20:00] <styx> is there a way to set everything to default?
[20:00] <MichealH> holstein, He is missing a minimaise button
[20:01] <holstein> interesting
[20:01] <styx> and maximiz and the X buttoin lol
[20:01] <holstein> styx: did you mess with the theme?
[20:01] <holstein> what theme is it?
[20:01] <styx> no effects
[20:01] <holstein> a normal one?
[20:01] <holstein> try going into look and feel or whatever
[20:01] <holstein> and chage themes
[20:01] <holstein> and jump back
[20:02] <styx> no
[20:02] <styx> didnt do anything
[20:02] <holstein> styx: you could also easly make another user account
[20:02] <holstein> log in as that user
[20:02] <holstein> and see what you find
[20:02] <holstein> thats odd*
[20:03] <MichealH> ccsm is almost in ;)
[20:03] <holstein> styx: what about ubuntu tweak?
[20:03] <holstein> ive heard that can be problematic
[20:06] <styx> wtf
[20:06] <styx> i made a diff accunt
[20:06] <styx> logged in and its fine
[20:06] <styx> brb
[20:06] <MichealH> Im quite stumped :P
[20:06] <styx> im trying something else
[20:06] <holstein> styx: OK
[20:06] <holstein> so that tells us something then
[20:09] <bobweaver> cprofitt, are you free?
[20:09] <styx> fixed it
[20:09] <holstein> styx: :)
[20:10] <[styx]> all i did was before logging in switched to bubuntu
[20:10] <cprofitt> yes
[20:10] <[styx]> instead of ubuntu classic
[20:10] <[styx]> but back on unity
[20:10] <[styx]> :(
[20:11] <[styx]> brb
[20:12] <holstein> [styx]: you can get rid of the proper .directory
[20:12] <holstein> in your home folder
[20:12] <holstein> you can always just rename those
[20:12] <holstein> or move them out and put them back
[20:12] <holstein> but, it'll be something for gnome
[20:13] <holstein> i would start with /home/you/.gnome2
[20:13] <holstein> rename that, or temporarily move it out of the way
[20:13] <holstein> logout
[20:13] <holstein> and back in
[20:13] <holstein> and see*
[20:14] <[styx]> this does?
[20:14] <[styx]> sorry im lost lol
[20:14] <bobweaver> cprofitt, I have some good news but I have to run over to my brother=in-law but am bringing the computer I fond someone to tape the meeting :>) brb
[20:14] <[styx]> <--- noob
[20:15] <cprofitt> k bobweaver
[20:15] <bobweaver> is there anything that I sould ask him to bring?
[20:16] <bobweaver> onboard mics?
[20:16] <bobweaver> he has access to the fox news room!
[20:16] <capkrtek> hey guys
[20:17] <capkrtek> ssh'd to my server from my phone
[20:17] <[styx]> android!!
[20:17] <bioterror> root :D
[20:17] <[styx]> im was looking into that last night
[20:17] <[styx]> droid1!!!
[20:17] <capkrtek> heh
[20:17] <holstein> [styx]: open nautilus
[20:17] <[styx]> what phone are you on
[20:17] <holstein> and hit control+h
[20:18] <holstein> to show the hidden directories
[20:18] <capkrtek> thunderbolt
[20:18] <holstein> you should see some for .gnome
[20:18] <[styx]> yeah got that done
[20:18] <holstein> .gnome2 or whatever
[20:18] <[styx]> which one? lol
[20:18] <holstein> [styx]: are you asking me which one?
[20:18] <[styx]> i have .gnome and .gnome2
[20:18] <holstein> OK
[20:18] <holstein> personally
[20:19] <holstein> i would just keep track of them
[20:19] <holstein> put them somewhere you can find them
[20:19] <[styx]> okk
[20:19] <holstein> and they should be regenerated
[20:19] <holstein> as needed
[20:19] <holstein> thats what the idea is
[20:19] <holstein> you'll just get new ones
[20:19] <holstein> and lose your customization
[20:19] <holstein> BUT
[20:19] <holstein> you can always put these back in place
[20:19] <holstein> *in theory :)
[20:20] <[styx]> ahh
[20:20] <[styx]> like backups?
[20:20] <capkrtek> currently at a neighbours house fixing their windows pc
[20:20] <[styx]> lol
[20:20] <capkrtek> :/
[20:21] <[styx]> whats wrong with it
[20:21] <holstein> yeah, when you back up your /home directory
[20:21] <holstein> you can take all your settings with you
[20:21] <capkrtek> restoring a backup for them
[20:21] <holstein> capkrtek: ghost?
[20:21] <capkrtek> holstein nahh
[20:22] <capkrtek> just windows backup
[20:22] <holstein> AH, those are working now?
[20:22] <holstein> thats great :)
[20:22] <MichealH> [styx], I ahve a Sony Ericsson Xperia X8, Great phone :D
[20:22] <[styx]> ahh
[20:22] <bioterror> MichealH, I have X1 ;)
[20:33] <Captainkrtek> and im back
[20:34] <Captainkrtek> phone went from 4g to 1x
[20:37] <[styx]> lol
[20:37] <[styx]> linux/ubuntu community is great
[20:38] <[styx]> both times ive had probles peopel have helped me so much here
[20:38] <Captainkrtek> <3
[20:38] <Captainkrtek> still need help?
[20:38] <[styx]> nope im good for now
[20:38] <[styx]> i may mess around with ssh soon
[20:39] <Captainkrtek> k
[20:39] <Captainkrtek> I can help set that up if you like
[20:39] <[styx]> ok
[20:40] <[styx]> next time were on at the same time
[20:40] <[styx]> i jsut dont feel like doing anything but urc and youtube now lol
[20:40] <Captainkrtek> Im going to go mountain biking, but ill be back in an hour or two
[20:40] <[styx]> nice
[20:40] <[styx]> im going out to
[20:40] <[styx]> so ill be back later
[20:40] <[styx]> tonight
[20:41] <[styx]> but i bet we will see each other around now that this is added to auto koin
[20:42] <Captainkrtek> sure thing
[20:42] <Captainkrtek> :)
[20:43] <Captainkrtek> K, ill bbl
[20:43] <Captainkrtek> LifeLiner: welcome, anything we can help with?
[20:43] <Captainkrtek> nevermind :P
[20:43] <Captainkrtek> k now ill leave
[20:43] <holstein> Captainkrtek: o/
[20:44] <Captainkrtek> o/ holstein
[20:44] <Captainkrtek> ill talk to you later
[20:44] <[styx]> kk cya
[23:06] <Captainkrtek> hi braiam_
[23:08] <braiam_> Captainkrtek: sorry I'm debugging xchat :)
[23:08] <Captainkrtek> lol it's all good :P
[23:10] <Captainkrtek> mr wonderly
[23:10] <Captainkrtek> are you present? DarkwingDuck
[23:19] <MrChrisDruif> How's it going Captainkrtek ?
[23:43] <renshai> Hey guys. I'm looking to make/use a small app that will display information from a text file and update in real time, terminal/tail are not really what I have in mind from what I understand using them...any suggestions?
[23:45] <MrChrisDruif> gedit?
[23:46] <MrChrisDruif> I displays it real time and shows changed you make with it in real time
[23:46] <MrChrisDruif> :P
[23:49] <escott> MrChrisDruif, sounds like you just want to run diff, sleep for a few seconds and then run diff again
[23:50] <MrChrisDruif> escott; Nope, you see it in gedit...and you also see what you edit with "it"