[00:00] recent: do you want to erase it, or just check something [00:01] it says here it's ~/.local/share/zeitgeist, u might want to check that [00:01] coalwater, i think it was there before zeitgeist. i know that it can be cleared through the interface, but i want to know where its stored. [00:02] there's one location at ~/.local/share/recently-used.xbel, but there has to be one more. [00:02] recent; Which version of Ubuntu are you running? [00:02] 11.04 [00:02] Then it might possibly be zeitgeist [00:03] MrChrisDruif, i though so too, but it's still there in addition to the zeitgeist activity.sqlite. [00:03] thought* [00:05] recent: i'm guessing u want to know where the recent applications you've used that appears on the dash comes from? [00:06] coalwater, that would indeed be zeitgeist. i'm interested in recent files - the ones that appear in the places -> recent documents under gnome. [00:06] o [00:07] maybe it's a nautilus thing then [00:07] nvm [00:07] ur using the classic gnome [00:07] yes [00:07] interestingly enough, i think that the same location is also updated when under unity, but i haven't tested that. [00:07] yea maybe it's nautilus [00:08] u might find something in the ~/.nautilus (if that folder exists) [00:09] it does, but it's completely empty... [00:09] Maybe in /.local [00:10] there's ~/.local/share/recently-used.xbel [00:10] did u try opening it [00:11] yes. it does contain recent files. often tips about disabling recent history refer to it. the problem is that there absolutely has to be another, additional location, because history is saved even if that file is made read only. [00:11] that's what i'm curious about: where else? [00:16] recent: i backed up the file. cleared my recent, and then it came back when i restored the file.. [00:18] coalwater, oh yes, it certainly plays a role, but here's something you can try: [00:18] are you on regular gnome? [00:18] yea [00:18] you want to say it doesnt get cleared when u delete the file? [00:19] i think it might be because the file gets cached in the ram or something instead of reading it each time u hover over the recent files menu item [00:20] there's more. if you'd like you can try this: [00:20] use the usual interface means to clear recent documents [00:20] you'll see that the list becomes empty [00:21] ok [00:21] than do sudo chattr -i ~/.local/share/recently-used.xbel [00:21] umm +i there [00:22] actually [00:22] mine isn't on the .local/share [00:22] its on the root [00:22] oh right, right, this is for 11.04 [00:22] it's right in your ~ [00:22] yea [00:22] my home [00:23] i dont know what ur still trying to understand [00:23] you'll see in a moment really [00:23] if you'd like of course [00:23] as far as i get, the xml is getting cached [00:23] i'm not sure that would solve the mystery here [00:24] maybe it fails to write it on the file, the cached version is still accessible [00:24] the cached version is available for writing? [00:24] u could try to do a gnome-panel --replace after u rename the file, if what im think is right, it should get an empty list [00:24] reading [00:24] but that's the thing [00:25] and it would create an empty file [00:25] new files are being added to a list somewhere. this somewhere is then merged with the recently-used when it becomes writable again [00:25] a quick summary: [00:26] a location in the memory.. [00:27] 1. clear the list using normal interface. 2. make recently-used.xbel read-only. 3. open a bunch of files. 4. they don't appear in the list. 5. make recently-used writable again. 6. open a file. 7. observe how all previous files are in the list too. [00:27] ok, do what ill suggest [00:27] replace gnome-panel before unlocking the file [00:27] sure, let's try.. === fsd is now known as Captainkrtek [00:29] ok replaces [00:29] d* [00:29] now whta [00:29] is ur recent list still populated [00:30] not the file, [00:30] if u locked the file empty, u should get an empty list [00:30] so far it is. now i;m [00:31] going to unlock it, open other files, and see if the ones opened while locked appear too [00:31] wasn't what i wanted u to try [00:31] what then [00:33] clear the xml file or rename it, then lock it, now it cant write the list that's on the ram, then u replace gnome, so then it looses its ram version too, then ull find an empty list and gnome wont find a way to restore it, untill u rename the file back to it's original name [00:33] that's what i did [00:33] and the list is still on the recent documents list? [00:34] no, the list remains empty after cleaning, and opening files in a locked stated. BUT [00:35] after unlocking, if you open a third file, which was not opened while locked, this file appears in the list (as it should) but also the other 2, which should not. [00:35] doing a gnome-panel --replace has no effect on this behaviour [00:37] the whole thing makes me think that there has to be another location to store the list, and this other location is synchronized with recently-used.xbel when the latter is not locked [00:38] i changed the file owner to root [00:38] and when i started gnome-panel from terminal, this is what i got [00:38] (gnome-panel:1980): Gtk-WARNING **: Attempting to read the recently used resources file at `/home/coalwater/.recently-used.xbel', but the parser failed: Failed to open file '/home/coalwater/.recently-used.xbel': Permission denied. [00:38] and the list was empty [00:39] satisfied? lol [00:39] no! ha. [00:39] recent: ^ [00:39] that's only half the test [00:39] well, it failed to restore it [00:40] the next step would be to open files while .recently-used.xbel is inaccesible. [00:40] isn't that what i did [00:40] some how the gnome-panel changes the file permissions [00:40] yes, but there's more [00:40] as long as it's owned by the same user [00:40] that's why i changed the owner to root [00:41] so it cant do any thing to it no matter what [00:41] i see what you're saying, let me try something really quickly. [00:41] ok [00:44] coalwater, it's not writing to the file while it's locked! [00:44] the lock does work. [00:45] ok, well if u keep the file open with gedit, it will tell u when the file contents change [00:46] what you have tried so far, is not where the odd behaviour shows up. you have to open some files while it's locked, then unlock it, then open a completely different file, and see that the files that you have opened while it was locked also appear in the list, and in the file. but they are not added to the file while it is locked. [00:48] recent: do u do any programming [00:49] coalwater, oh i just noticed something that's even simpler: keep xbel file open in gedit. select all, delete, and save file through gedit complaints. open one random file. reload xbel as per gedit's notice. see how previous content is restored!! [00:49] not really on the programming, why? [00:50] cause i would have explained it in a programming way [00:50] go ahead. [00:50] gnome-panel doesn't save it only in the file, pretend there's a variable, called xbel or w/e [00:50] once u open any new file, gnome-panel updates the variable xbel, then updates the file [00:51] the only thing ur doing is preventing the update of the fiel [00:51] file* [00:51] but the variable still is getting updated [00:51] once it gets access to the file again, it just dumps the variable to the file [00:51] in memory? [00:51] yes [00:51] then it shouldn't survive a reboot? [00:51] or a gnome-panel --replace [00:52] but it does survive a replace [00:52] that's what i tried after you suggested it [00:52] and i'm not absolutely sure, but i think i've tried a reboot too, a while ago. [00:52] try and lock it and keep it open with gedit, im sure it will write to it [00:53] trying.. [00:53] if it does survive [00:58] ok here are the results: i cleaned the list, opened xbel, locked it, opened 2 files, closed them.replaced gnome-panel, opened 3rd file. no change in xbel content, nothing added to the actual list under places. unlocked xbel. still nothing. opened a 4th file. - change in xbel - all files appear in it, and the list. [00:59] ok then replace doesn't empty the items [00:59] u could try killall gnome-panel , if u want to be aggressive lol [00:59] you'd agree that a reboot would be definite? [00:59] but keep a terminal on to start it back [01:00] i don't know why it's really important to u [01:00] but sure [01:00] lol [01:01] it's a geek thing. plus, linux is supposed to be transparent and this is not really. [01:02] what do u mean by transparent [01:04] i mean that the general philosophy is to let users know exactly how everything works, and let them modify whatever they want. this is the opposite of say windows, or mac os. [01:05] be right back. [01:06] Hey guys, anyone having issues with xterm (slowdowns, freezes) on 11.04? [01:09] coalwater, what do you know. they didn't survive a reboot! [01:10] thanks for helping to solve the mystery. [01:10] no problem, glad u found ur answer [01:10] yes. i can calmly proceed with my world domination plans now. [01:11] good lol, just stay away from my neighborhood [01:11] lol i sucked at spelling that [01:12] you, for one, do not welcome your new overlord? [01:12] um [01:13] alright, take care. [01:13] you too === yofel_ is now known as yofel [02:15] hi escott [02:44] wine: Install the Windows version of Mono to run .NET executables [02:44] .......how do i install mono on wine ? [02:45] tron101: i would start at http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=4982 [02:47] ok thx [02:54] hello? [02:54] no ones home [02:55] dang... was hoping for some help [02:55] call back later [02:55] !ask grover_78 [02:55] Factoid 'ask grover_78' not found [02:55] lol [02:56] oh well maybe this 404 guy will help [02:56] ? [02:56] probably not [02:56] but you might as well ask [02:56] people in here will actualy respond if you ask a question [02:57] well, I'm totally new to ubuntu. as in total noob. so, I guess I need help figuring out how to do stuff I know how to do in Winxp [02:57] like? [02:59] and lol @ win xp [02:59] hey, xp ran quite happily on my system. its too old to run anything newer so I thought I'd try ubuntu [03:00] anyway, it SEEMS like I've lost a lot of graphic processing power. things seem laggier then with xp, [03:00] which release of ubuntu are you using? [03:00] have you checked for proprietary drivers? [03:00] I'm assuming its graphics related cuz it seems worse when running vids or games but really I have no clue where to start [03:01] using 11.04 [03:01] I tried the proprietary drivers thing... says nothing found [03:01] unity or gnome? [03:01] gnome I believe. how would I double check? [03:02] like I said, I'm totally new at this [03:02] ?you have a big bar of icons on the left [03:02] nope, just a menu on the top left [03:02] applications/places/system [03:02] ok go to system [03:02] admin [03:02] and check for aditional drivers [03:03] its searching... [03:03] no proprietary drivers found on this system [03:04] nvidia video? [03:04] nothing found at all [03:04] im asking if you have nvidia vid card [03:04] no [03:04] vid is one of those built-in ones, can't remember the details on it [03:04] just onboard crap? [03:04] yeah [03:04] ok [03:05] holstein: [03:05] wanna help this dude [03:05] just limping the system along till I can afford to buy a newer one [03:05] the videos you are trying to run [03:05] are they flash?> [03:06] youtube seems to work ok-ish if I let it load for a few seconds first [03:06] yeah flash doesnt like linux much [03:06] I tried a game, and it was super laggy too [03:06] im not sure how to do video setting [03:06] s [03:07] bioterror: [03:07] wakey wakey [03:07] lol I think you're the only one awake here bud [03:07] besides me :P [03:07] grover_78, I can try to help you [03:07] im pretty new to ubuntu also so.. [03:07] there you go [03:07] another live person [03:07] grover_78, what seems to be the issue? [03:08] seems to me hes suffering from out dated hardware... [03:08] no such thing haha [03:08] out dated hardware and a 100% certified noob when it comes to ubuntu lol [03:09] old mobo with crusty onboard vid [03:09] grover_78, well im here to help :) [03:09] = laggy games [03:09] wonderful :) [03:09] I appreciate it [03:09] grover_78, so can you give me the issue in more detail [03:10] I know WinXP fairly well but this is pretty different [03:10] thats why them nerds are here [03:10] yeah [03:10] to teach us idiots linux lol [03:10] it's fairly similar to Ubuntu though, easy to switch after a while :) [03:10] ok, well I switched from XP. Youtube ran fine, most graphics stuff that I did was just fine (mostly youtube or videos, but the occasional game) [03:11] doesnt youtube use flash? [03:11] now that I've switched to U, graphics seem choppier/laggier. [03:11] Error404NotFound, Flash or HTML5 [03:11] so I'm assuming I've got an old/missing driver for my onboard vid card but I could be barking up the wrong tree [03:11] grover_78, graphics in what sense? just in general? or certain games, sites, etc. [03:12] mmm spam [03:12] well I tried a first person shooter (somethingCube it was called) and it was unplayable [03:12] grover_78, also what video card do you have? [03:12] youtube seems okish if I let it load for a few seconds first [03:12] im guessing intel gma [03:13] old school [03:13] yeah [03:13] its a built-in one. I could tell you more if I was on XP, but I don't have the foggiest clue how to find out the details with U [03:13] grover_78, can you open a terminal and do : sudo lshw [03:13] and paste the output to paste.ubuntu.com [03:13] ooh i dled the pastebin app [03:14] Error404NotFound, there is also a chrome and firefox extension :) [03:14] just right click and auto uploads to paste bin [03:14] its nice [03:14] i guess intel gma 4500 [03:15] * Error404NotFound hopes he knows what terminal is [03:15] Cap'n, command not working. [03:15] yeah I'm in terminal right now [03:16] keeps saying command not found??? [03:16] put EXATLY what I should type in - put it in quotes [03:16] sudo lshw [03:16] then enter password and hit enter [03:17] grover_78: you can use tab too [03:17] to complete [03:17] like in here [03:17] woah... ok so how do I paste all that into here? [03:17] no [03:17] no [03:17] no [03:17] you can type cap [03:17] go to paste.ubuntu.com [03:17] and hit tab [03:17] and it will complete Captainkrtek [03:17] oh hey holstein ;) [03:18] Captainkrtek: o/ [03:18] \o [03:18] |o [03:18] grover_78: yeah, you can paste a line or 2 in here [03:18] but not much more than that [03:18] holstein, im trying to find the card he has [03:18] Error404NotFound: o/ [03:18] thats a lot of info [03:18] it's somewhere lost in the abyss of lshw :P [03:19] ok I found multimedia... [03:19] actually grover_78 do this in a terminal: sudo lshw > lshw.txt [03:19] then open lshw.txt and paste it to paste.ubuntu.com [03:19] Captainkrtek, you can find you gpu by typing lspci and see what it says about VGA [03:19] should be display [03:19] not multimedia [03:20] thanks roccity_ [03:20] even for onboard? [03:20] ok so type lspci into terminal?? [03:20] grover_78, do: lspci > lspci.txt [03:20] pci assumes you are using pci slot [03:20] then paste that to paste.ubuntu.com for me [03:20] for vid card [03:21] not using PCI card though... its onboard/built in to mobo [03:21] grover_78, It should still work [03:21] I think [03:21] grover_78: should show up in lspci [03:21] run it, and give it a look :) [03:21] hang on I'll try it [03:21] Captainkrtek, yes [03:22] give me a moment.. still learning this terminal stuff [03:22] sudo lspci [03:23] grover_78, no rush [03:23] ok now were do I put it into paste.ubuntu.com?? [03:23] grover_78: please :) [03:23] should only be 1 line [03:23] paste it here [03:24] its way more then one line [03:24] yeah, you can pick the vga line out if you want [03:24] grover_78, go to paste.ubuntu.com and in the main text field [03:24] and put your name in the top bar [03:24] and, you should learn about pastebin [03:24] its handy [03:25] very [03:25] holstein, have you used the pastebin extension? [03:26] ok so I did that [03:26] Captainkrtek: i checked it out [03:26] i like it :) [03:26] nVidia Corporation G94 [GeForce 9600 GT] (rev a1) [03:26] grover_78, can you paste me the link [03:26] http://paste.ubuntu.com/607270/ [03:27] hope this was the right thing to do [03:27] looks good grover_78 [03:27] hehe [03:27] I just found it without you linking me [03:27] Intel Corporation 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G]/GE Chipset Integrated Graphics Device (rev 01) [03:27] I guessed the number [03:27] yeah [03:27] perfect [03:27] so now what? [03:28] let me see [03:28] grover_78, can you do this [03:28] go to your session indicator [03:28] it may look like a power icon [03:28] click it [03:28] ok? [03:28] then System Settings [03:28] power icon is just for shut down options [03:29] I'm using gnome [03:29] me as well [03:29] there should be like System Settings [03:29] below Shut Down... [03:29] or just go System --> Administration --> Additional Drivers [03:30] done that.... no go there [03:30] tried that [03:30] k [03:30] yeah that was the first thing I tried before coming here [03:30] let me research a little [03:30] ok... I think I'll go outside and research a cigarette while you do that :) [03:31] lol [03:31] BRB in about 5 [03:31] lol [03:31] roccity_, I would suggest he removes compiz altogether [03:31] that card probably cant support it well [03:31] i found ppa for that graphics card [03:32] Captainkrtek, so is he getting like a white screen or something? [03:32] just laggy [03:32] roccity_, just lag [03:32] but Compiz will not run well on a card with 64M of shared mem [03:33] Captainkrtek, Error404NotFound is he using unity? [03:33] roccity_, gnome [03:33] gnome [03:33] Captainkrtek, Error404NotFound so classic? [03:33] yes [03:33] i doubt he could use unity with his current graphics [03:34] Captainkrtek, do you know how old the laptop is? [03:34] i dont think its a laptop [03:34] roccity_, guessing a few years [03:34] Captainkrtek, or is it a desktop? [03:34] probably 1g or < less ram [03:34] maybe a celeron [03:34] probably just an old p4 system [03:34] Captainkrtek, yeah that may not work. Kde may be a bit better though as there stuff is intergrated [03:35] roccity_, yeah, Ill have him remove compiz and see how that works [03:35] Captainkrtek, cant he do gnome without compiz from the login [03:35] roccity_, sorta, but it's still there [03:35] Captainkrtek, no effrects or something I think that it is [03:35] yeah [03:35] even with no effects it still takes a toll [03:36] as of what I've heard [03:36] that must be some horrible fx... [03:36] erm [03:36] Error404NotFound, then xfce is a better bet [03:36] my card handles it for 3 displays ;) [03:36] ok I'm back [03:37] not as pretty as compiz but still get shadows and transparency and that [03:37] i can run my 50 inch a 32 inch and 22 inch at same time [03:37] I guess I should tell you what I do know about this system huh> [03:37] is it a desktop? [03:37] grover_78, that would be cool [03:37] grover_78, okay follow me [03:38] grover_78, System --> Administration --> Synaptic [03:38] its a P4 2ghz with 512 and 256 RAM sticks. (so thats 700 and some megs) [03:38] yeah we need to remove compiz lol [03:38] 1x 80 gig and 1x 40 gig HD [03:38] 768 [03:38] um... [03:38] yeah thats about all I can recall, its an old beast lol [03:38] grover_78, System --> Administration --> Synaptic Package Manager [03:39] i love docky [03:39] Error404NotFound, how are you liking Ubuntu now? [03:39] ok I got that open and loaded [03:39] its fine when it works lol [03:39] grover_78, under Quick Filter type "compiz" [03:39] and hit enter [03:40] see results? [03:40] did anyone ask if he was running 10.04 or 11.04? [03:40] yeah, compiz, and fusion-icon and stuff. [03:40]