=== fsd is now known as Captainkrtek [05:15] hey geekosopher [05:32] yes Captainkrtek === CapKrtek|Netbook is now known as Captainkrtek === Captainkrtek is now known as Captainkrtek|zzz [12:34] the key in some other language could look like ktrl [12:34] or something totally different [15:57] mdke, i'm still working on bug 478097, and i have the fixes available for the docbook -> html transformations (it's actually in our script, not docbook-xsl) [15:57] Launchpad bug 478097 in ubuntu-docs "help.ubuntu.com claims to be XHTML 1.0 Transitional but is not" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/478097 [15:58] that means i can push it to all stable branches, i'm just wondering if we should bother [15:59] our static pages on h.u.c (index, legal, search) need to be fixed as well [15:59] i could do them manually or use a generated page (made with the fixed xsl) and copy in the appropriate material === udslogger is now known as apachelogger [18:59] http://ubuntutour.org/ [19:09] another guide eh? [19:10] it looks like it's already been around long enough to be abandoned [19:10] 4 weeks since the last commit [19:11] it has a fairly large team on PL [19:11] LP [19:11] no not abaondonded, just low activity [19:11] well it was advertised on OMGUbuntu last fall [19:12] but it is a team full of documenters, so perhaps they would like to get involved [19:14] you know ive never actually looked at omgubuntu [19:15] I like the site mostly, I know some people who can't stand it [19:15] what is it supposed to be exactly? [19:15] looks like a news feed [19:16] it's a Ubuntu news site, geared towards the newer or non-developer enthusiasts [19:17] looks nice [19:17] i dont really follow a lot of news with Ubuntu which is kind of a bad thing, so if i'm not active on the forums i miss a lot of things [19:17] the guys running it are hoping to make a business out of it [19:18] if you follow that site & planet ubuntu, you'll get most of the news [19:18] yeah planet gets a lot of news thougjh, i dont have time to filter through it so i dont really look anymore [19:18] most of it is stuff i dont care about [19:19] hmmm, conky... [19:20] i think its time i cleaned up my conky, it hasnt been touched since Feisty [19:20] At UDS they were talking about bringing back the UWN [20:02] DarkwingDuck: isnt that sorta obsolete considering omgubuntu? [20:05] well some in the community don't like omgubuntu [20:05] and UWN is supposedly for those who want a weekly summary of Ubuntu happenings instead of reading the planet & omg for themselves [20:06] but it was taking 30 hr to produce the thing which is too much [20:08] apachelogger: The issue that was brought up was relying on a commercial website for that. [20:09] apachelogger: the turn from it was that UWN was going to get ressurected again. It's one of those "fun" issues that keeps cropping up in the FOSS world. [20:10] well, maintaining a weekly news for a project of our size will either require insane amount of time or cutting content [20:10] neither would be beneficial to the user [20:10] /s/user/reader [20:12] it depends on how much work you need to do [20:12] collecting 10-20 links isn't that difficult [20:12] writing a summary of each adds more time [20:13] yeah, and I think the summary is the curcial part there [20:13] otherwise you could just as well use a news aggregator on the planet :) [20:19] here's Fedora's version: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FWN/LatestIssue [20:20] I think UWN tries to cover too much stuff [20:20] I guess the theory was having a condensed version of the planet along with other sources. [20:21] jbicha: well, ubuntu is vastly larger project than fedora [20:21] also the FWN do not seem very community [20:21] Because I guess having 'Official' support of a commercial site isn't in line with what Ubunut Community/Canonical vision wants. [20:22] I's about 60 hours of work a week to get the UWN running correctly. [20:22] nono, official is ubuntu.com, if there is absolutely worthwhile news it ends up there (or the other sites like kubuntu.org resprectively) [20:22] additionally to that you have semi-official community resources which would be the planet [20:23] and UWN [20:23] now if UWN where to quote the planet it still would not be more official than any ubuntu member saying anything [20:23] then you have commercial sites like omgubuntu [20:23] very true [20:23] By 'official' I was refering to community run [20:23] so claiming UWN should be official implies excluding the planet as possible resoruce [20:24] DarkwingDuck: oh, yeah, well, in a way the omgubuntu people are also community [20:24] there is no guideline against community members making money with their contribution to the community [20:24] apachelogger: Correct but, because it's commercial it has seperated itself slightly (According to them) [20:25] That's according to omgubuntu. They don't concider themselves a community project. [20:25] DarkwingDuck: that does not change the accountability and validity of the information [20:25] DarkwingDuck: what do you mean they don't consider themselves community? [20:25] citation? [20:25] Lemme find the email that Amber sent to us when we were working on UWN [20:26] oh, here is a daring argument: if you produce news weekly, it is not news anymore ;) [20:26] * apachelogger actually notes that he never read UWN for exactly that reason [20:26] I'd hesitate to call UWN official and trying to treat it like it is adds extra headache [20:28] My mistake on the classifacation of 'official' [20:31] I think what caused people to hesitate with OMG Ubuntu was the vollyball NSFW post [20:33] and the legendary neckbeard post [20:33] * apachelogger was hoping for a "scandal: kubuntu switches to unity" post :/ [20:33] ROFL [20:34] apachelogger: using jussi's screenshot as a post? [20:34] srsly, we were checking omgubuntu all the time :P [20:34] DarkwingDuck: yeah [20:34] apachelogger: THAT would have been funny, you still have that URL? [20:35] http://wstaw.org/m/2011/05/11/plasma-desktopgp1838.jpg\ [20:35] without the back slash obviously ^^ [20:35] include a quote from Mark about all Ubuntu flavors to get the new interface since that's what Unity is all about, right? [20:35] LOL [20:36] * DarkwingDuck debates [20:36] Did anyone send a anon tip to OMG Ubuntu about this? [20:36] maybe an exception for Ubuntu Server [20:36] I would hope so. [20:37] somebody needs to port Unity to the command line ;-) [20:37] LOL [20:40] DarkwingDuck: we were thinking about it, but since there is a bug in plasma that prevents me from doing this and at the same time hit major promo for plasma by actually providing a plasma tempalte to automagically roll an unity activity we did not do it [20:44] apachelogger: works for me. Plus, why would we *want* Unity when Plasma is working so well. [20:45] * DarkwingDuck isn't sure he wants to rely on compiz for a DE [20:45] we do not [20:46] some users do [20:46] well, they want unity's good looks [20:46] so I figured we could provide that, but you cannot make a vertical panel as the script API has a bug right now [20:48] I don't know why you can have good looks with plasma... I have a nice wodden earthy feel on mine. http://imm.io/5E81 [20:48] s/can/can't [20:54] gross [20:55] apachelogger: You can make a vertical panel just fine. [20:55] DarkwingDuck: not when using the script api [20:57] Hmmz, I just added a panel and in the setting moved it vertical. [20:58] apachelogger: But, i see what you mean. [20:58] yeah, that works, but building a unity clone yourself sux [20:58] apachelogger: Aye, [20:58] DarkwingDuck: if you click on your cashew and select activities you can add new activities from template [20:58] using that and a working template you can get a unity clone in like 4 clicks [20:59] however the template does not work because of aforementioned bug [20:59] rather OT ^^ [21:03] DarkwingDuck: the wood grains clash with each other [21:08] Yeah, I know jbicha... I've been playing around with ideas. [21:08] haha [21:09] This is my other setup (The one I use mostly) http://imm.io/5EnH [21:10] DarkwingDuck: it is a good thing you are not deciding on the default artwork lineup for the ubuntu products :P [21:11] apachelogger: Ehh, I'm a fan of dark.