[05:15] <Captainkrtek> hey geekosopher
[05:32] <geekosopher> yes Captainkrtek
[12:34] <UndiFineD> the key in some other language could look like ktrl
[12:34] <UndiFineD> or something totally different
[15:57] <Rocket2DMn> mdke, i'm still working on bug 478097, and i have the fixes available for the docbook -> html transformations (it's actually in our script, not docbook-xsl)
[15:57] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 478097 in ubuntu-docs "help.ubuntu.com claims to be XHTML 1.0 Transitional but is not" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/478097
[15:58] <Rocket2DMn> that means i can push it to all stable branches, i'm just wondering if we should bother
[15:59] <Rocket2DMn> our static pages on h.u.c (index, legal, search) need to be fixed as well
[15:59] <Rocket2DMn> i could do them manually or use a generated page (made with the fixed xsl) and copy in the appropriate material
[18:59] <jbicha> http://ubuntutour.org/
[19:09] <Rocket2DMn> another guide eh?
[19:10] <jbicha> it looks like it's already been around long enough to be abandoned
[19:10] <jbicha> 4 weeks since the last commit
[19:11] <Rocket2DMn> it has a fairly large team on PL
[19:11] <Rocket2DMn> LP
[19:11] <UndiFineD> no not abaondonded, just low activity
[19:11] <jbicha> well it was advertised on OMGUbuntu last fall
[19:12] <UndiFineD> but it is a team full of documenters, so perhaps they would like to get involved
[19:14] <Rocket2DMn> you know ive never actually looked at omgubuntu
[19:15] <jbicha> I like the site mostly, I know some people who can't stand it
[19:15] <Rocket2DMn> what is it supposed to be exactly?
[19:15] <Rocket2DMn> looks like a news feed
[19:16] <jbicha> it's a Ubuntu news site, geared towards the newer or non-developer enthusiasts
[19:17] <Rocket2DMn> looks nice
[19:17] <Rocket2DMn> i dont really follow a lot of news with Ubuntu which is kind of a bad thing, so if i'm not active on the forums i miss a lot of things
[19:17] <jbicha> the guys running it are hoping to make a business out of it
[19:18] <jbicha> if you follow that site & planet ubuntu, you'll get most of the news
[19:18] <Rocket2DMn> yeah planet gets a lot of news thougjh, i dont have time to filter through it so i dont really look anymore
[19:18] <Rocket2DMn> most of it is stuff i dont care about
[19:19] <Rocket2DMn> hmmm, conky...
[19:20] <Rocket2DMn> i think its time i cleaned up my conky, it hasnt been touched since Feisty
[19:20] <DarkwingDuck> At UDS they were talking about bringing back the UWN
[20:02] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: isnt that sorta obsolete considering omgubuntu?
[20:05] <jbicha> well some in the community don't like omgubuntu
[20:05] <jbicha> and UWN is supposedly for those who want a weekly summary of Ubuntu happenings instead of reading the planet & omg for themselves
[20:06] <jbicha> but it was taking 30 hr to produce the thing which is too much
[20:08] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: The issue that was brought up was relying on a commercial website for that.
[20:09] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: the turn from it was that UWN was going to get ressurected again. It's one of those "fun" issues that keeps cropping up in the FOSS world.
[20:10] <apachelogger> well, maintaining a weekly news for a project of our size will either require insane amount of time or cutting content
[20:10] <apachelogger> neither would be beneficial to the user
[20:10] <apachelogger> /s/user/reader
[20:12] <jbicha> it depends on how much work you need to do
[20:12] <jbicha> collecting 10-20 links isn't that difficult
[20:12] <jbicha> writing a summary of each adds more time
[20:13] <apachelogger> yeah, and I think the summary is the curcial part there
[20:13] <apachelogger> otherwise you could just as well use a news aggregator on the planet :)
[20:19] <jbicha> here's Fedora's version: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FWN/LatestIssue
[20:20] <jbicha> I think UWN tries to cover too much stuff
[20:20] <DarkwingDuck> I guess the theory was having a condensed version of the planet along with other sources.
[20:21] <apachelogger> jbicha: well, ubuntu is vastly larger project than fedora
[20:21] <apachelogger> also the FWN do not seem very community
[20:21] <DarkwingDuck> Because I guess having 'Official' support of a commercial site isn't in line with what Ubunut Community/Canonical vision wants.
[20:22] <DarkwingDuck> I's about 60 hours of work a week to get the UWN running correctly.
[20:22] <apachelogger> nono, official is ubuntu.com, if there is absolutely worthwhile news it ends up there (or the other sites like kubuntu.org resprectively)
[20:22] <apachelogger> additionally to that you have semi-official community resources which would be the planet
[20:23] <DarkwingDuck> and UWN
[20:23] <apachelogger> now if UWN where to quote the planet it still would not be more official than any ubuntu member saying anything
[20:23] <DarkwingDuck> then you have commercial sites like omgubuntu
[20:23] <DarkwingDuck> very true
[20:23] <DarkwingDuck> By 'official' I was refering to community run
[20:23] <apachelogger> so claiming UWN should be official implies excluding the planet as possible resoruce
[20:24] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: oh, yeah, well, in a way the omgubuntu people are also community
[20:24] <apachelogger> there is no guideline against community members making money with their contribution to the community
[20:24] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: Correct but, because it's commercial it has seperated itself slightly (According to them)
[20:25] <DarkwingDuck> That's according to omgubuntu. They don't concider themselves a community project.
[20:25] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: that does not change the accountability and validity of the information
[20:25] <jbicha> DarkwingDuck: what do you mean they don't consider themselves community?
[20:25] <jbicha> citation?
[20:25] <DarkwingDuck> Lemme find the email that Amber sent to us when we were working on UWN
[20:26] <apachelogger> oh, here is a daring argument: if you produce news weekly, it is not news anymore ;)
[20:26]  * apachelogger actually notes that he never read UWN for exactly that reason
[20:26] <jbicha> I'd hesitate to call UWN official and trying to treat it like it is adds extra headache
[20:28] <DarkwingDuck> My mistake on the classifacation of 'official'
[20:31] <DarkwingDuck> I think what caused people to hesitate with OMG Ubuntu was the vollyball NSFW post
[20:33] <jbicha> and the legendary neckbeard post
[20:33]  * apachelogger was hoping for a "scandal: kubuntu switches to unity" post :/
[20:33] <DarkwingDuck> ROFL
[20:34] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: using jussi's screenshot as a post?
[20:34] <apachelogger> srsly, we were checking omgubuntu all the time :P
[20:34] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: yeah
[20:34] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: THAT would have been funny, you still have that URL?
[20:35] <apachelogger> http://wstaw.org/m/2011/05/11/plasma-desktopgp1838.jpg\
[20:35] <apachelogger> without the back slash obviously ^^
[20:35] <jbicha> include a quote from Mark about all Ubuntu flavors to get the new interface since that's what Unity is all about, right?
[20:35] <DarkwingDuck> LOL
[20:36]  * DarkwingDuck debates
[20:36] <DarkwingDuck> Did anyone send a anon tip to OMG Ubuntu about this?
[20:36] <jbicha> maybe an exception for Ubuntu Server
[20:36] <DarkwingDuck> I would hope so.
[20:37] <jbicha> somebody needs to port Unity to the command line ;-)
[20:37] <DarkwingDuck> LOL
[20:40] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: we were thinking about it, but since there is a bug in plasma that prevents me from doing this and at the same time hit major promo for plasma by actually providing a plasma tempalte to automagically roll an unity activity we did not do it
[20:44] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: works for me. Plus, why would we *want* Unity when Plasma is working so well.
[20:45]  * DarkwingDuck isn't sure he wants to rely on compiz for a DE
[20:45] <apachelogger> we do not
[20:46] <apachelogger> some users do
[20:46] <apachelogger> well, they want unity's good looks
[20:46] <apachelogger> so I figured we could provide that, but you cannot make a vertical panel as the script API has a bug right now
[20:48] <DarkwingDuck> I don't know why you can have good looks with plasma... I have a nice wodden earthy feel on mine. http://imm.io/5E81
[20:48] <DarkwingDuck> s/can/can't
[20:54] <apachelogger> gross
[20:55] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: You can make a vertical panel just fine.
[20:55] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: not when using the script api
[20:57] <DarkwingDuck> Hmmz, I just added a panel and in the setting moved it vertical.
[20:58] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: But, i see what you mean.
[20:58] <apachelogger> yeah, that works, but building a unity clone yourself sux
[20:58] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: Aye,
[20:58] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: if you click on your cashew and select activities you can add new activities from template
[20:58] <apachelogger> using that and a working template you can get a unity clone in like 4 clicks
[20:59] <apachelogger> however the template does not work because of aforementioned bug
[20:59] <apachelogger> rather OT ^^
[21:03] <jbicha> DarkwingDuck: the wood grains clash with each other
[21:08] <DarkwingDuck> Yeah, I know jbicha... I've been playing around with ideas.
[21:08] <jbicha> haha
[21:09] <DarkwingDuck> This is my other setup (The one I use mostly) http://imm.io/5EnH
[21:10] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: it is a good thing you are not deciding on the default artwork lineup for the ubuntu products :P
[21:11] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: Ehh, I'm a fan of dark.