[17:02] <AndrewMC> #startmeeting Ubuntu Youth
[17:02] <MootBot> Meeting started at 11:02. The chair is AndrewMC.
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[17:02] <AndrewMC> HI all welcome to the Ubuntu Youth team meeting can everyone who is here please say: here
[17:02] <AndrewMC> here
[17:02] <hakimsheriff> here
[17:02] <BasicXP> here
[17:02] <JasonO> Here
[17:02] <Gulfstream> here
[17:03] <MichealH> here
[17:03] <Daniel0108> hi
[17:04] <AndrewMC> okay
[17:04] <robotman> here
[17:05] <AndrewMC> #topic New team leader
[17:05] <AndrewMC> [topic] New team leader
[17:05] <MootBot> New Topic:  New team leader
[17:05] <AndrewMC> So, as most of you know zkrieese was our leader for a long time, and due to real life issues he has put me in charge
[17:05] <AndrewMC> I am honered to be here and hope to help this team go far
[17:06] <AndrewMC> [Topic] Merdging with the Beginners Team
[17:06] <MootBot> New Topic:  Merdging with the Beginners Team
[17:07] <AndrewMC> Okay, so the council has talked and we have decided to bring this forward to the whole team, we are thinking that it may be wise for Ubuntu Youth to merdge with the beginners team
[17:08] <AndrewMC> (This is where all of you chime in with your opinions hehe)
[17:08] <hakimsheriff> Why would we do that?
[17:09] <AndrewMC> hakimsheriff: Well the beginners team and Ubuntu Youth seem to share nearly identical if not identical goals, i think a merdger would benifit both teams
[17:09] <hakimsheriff> oh okay
[17:10] <JasonO> O agree, we should merge with UBT because it will help new comers get involved with projects and find something they love to do. Instead of doing nothing or taking their own path(s).
[17:10] <hakimsheriff> yes that could work
[17:10]  * BasicXP nods
[17:10] <Gulfstream> but is there any harm that could result in the merge?
[17:11] <UndiFineD> AndrewMC, did you talk to the UBT council about this ?
[17:11] <AndrewMC> UndiFineD: yes I have
[17:11] <MichealH> I was away :P
[17:11] <UndiFineD> ok, cool, what was their view ?
[17:12] <AndrewMC> UndiFineD: well they said that they would either have someone from the (BT) council come and help us or we could actually merdge with them
[17:12] <AndrewMC> What I plan on doing is, seeing is if this is REALLY something that this team wants then the (UY) council will finalize with the the Beginners Team council
[17:13] <Gulfstream> I don't think it is a good idea
[17:13] <AndrewMC> Gulfstream: no, please voice your opinion, that is what this meeting is about :)
[17:13] <UndiFineD> well I think that would work alright, the only ones I have not met yet are Gulfstream, BasicXP , robotman I think
[17:14]  * UndiFineD waves
[17:14] <robotman> hello
[17:14] <AndrewMC> UndiFineD: and the problem with UY is, why does someone need to join a seperate team when the beginners team is already there and has a full mentor (or whatever its called) system in place.
[17:15] <Gulfstream> but Ubuntu youth is designed for youth
[17:15] <UndiFineD> how many youthful people do you have currently ?
[17:15] <hakimsheriff> Me
[17:16] <AndrewMC> UndiFineD: everyone in #ubuntu-youth with +v are team members
[17:16] <robotman> Well i think it would be benificial becuase as a new person there area  ton  of similar communuties which means that you have to be in a ton of seperate teams to get noticed
[17:16] <robotman> even though they do similar things
[17:17] <hakimsheriff> Maybe it could be the Youth Focus Group in the Ubuntu Beginners team?
[17:17] <AndrewMC> Gulfstream: Well, (again this is all still in planning) what I am thinking is, that we would still have our own IRC channel and such but it would be a place for the youth of the beginners team to hang out and work together on projects
[17:17] <UndiFineD> alright guys I was just being curious, continue with your meeting
[17:18] <AndrewMC> UndiFineD: oh no, we value input
[17:18] <AndrewMC> Gulfstream: so yes basicaly a youth focus group
[17:20]  * JasonO Has been up for 20 hours, needs some sleep. Good bye.
[17:20]  * JasonO robotman also expressed his opinion
[17:20] <AndrewMC> So, are we all set to vote on this or does anyone else want to bring something up?
[17:21] <MichealH> AndrewMC, I'm good :)
[17:21] <Gulfstream> so what would be the real gains of merging to UBT? Or is it just as good as having the teams the way they are now?
[17:22] <AndrewMC> Gulfstream: Well i think it will really improve membership.
[17:23] <BasicXP> I understood team goals differently. Ubuntu Youth is for engaging youth in different projects, while Ubuntu Beginners is "to enhance the initial experience of new Ubuntu users"
[17:23] <Gulfstream> that's how I understood the teams when I looked at the pages.
[17:23] <BasicXP> You said the goals of both teams are similar. I just don't get the similarity
[17:24] <AndrewMC> BasicXP: Well UY is pretty much the same thing, and the beginers team (as least for me) was my starting point, UY was designed to be a beginners team for youth which is why it makes sense to merdge with the beginners team.
[17:25] <robotman> The main thing i see that was differant when i was looking into joining teams was that UBT has bug and DEv section
[17:26] <AndrewMC> The way I see UY (after the merdger) would be a place for the youth of the beginners team to come together and chat and work together on projects.
[17:26] <BasicXP> AndrewMC: then ubuntu-youth becomes sort of youth focus group, as Gulfstream already said
[17:26] <BasicXP> that might work
[17:26] <AndrewMC> BasicXP: Yes, i beleive that is what the BT council would do
[17:26] <BasicXP> btw, merge :)
[17:27] <AndrewMC> #vote Should we activly persue a merdger with the Beginners Team?
[17:27] <AndrewMC> grr
[17:27] <Gulfstream> so then what would be changed?
[17:28] <AndrewMC> Gulfstream: We wouldnt be seperate team, we wouldnt need to have our own membership process
[17:28] <Gulfstream> AndrewMC: so all existing UBT members would be UY members or vice versa?
[17:30] <AndrewMC> Gulfstream: That I dont know yet, I have just gotten the ok from the BT council to bring this up, the specifics of the merger have yeto to be determined, what we didnt want to happen was we get everything all set to go and find out that this was not something that the team wanted.
[17:30] <AndrewMC> I assume (note ASSUME) we would fall under the Focus group rules
[17:31] <BasicXP> BUT the current team goals include more then just beginner education
[17:31] <AndrewMC> If we vote this up then the UY council will work out the specifics of the deal and then hold another meeting before anything is written in stone
[17:32] <Gulfstream> I think there would actually be a need for a separate UY membership service, so there isn't any inappropriate spamming
[17:33] <AndrewMC> [vote] Should we activly persue a merger with the Beginners Team?
[17:33] <MootBot> Please vote on:  Should we activly persue a merger with the Beginners Team?.
[17:33] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
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[17:33] <AndrewMC> +1
[17:33] <MootBot> +1 received from AndrewMC. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[17:33] <MichealH> +1
[17:33] <MootBot> +1 received from MichealH. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2
[17:33] <robotman> +1
[17:33] <MootBot> +1 received from robotman. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3
[17:33] <Gulfstream> -1
[17:33] <MootBot> -1 received from Gulfstream. 3 for, 1 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2
[17:34] <MichealH> AndrewMC, Cos I am a Grammer Nazi Its *merge* :)
[17:34] <AndrewMC> Remember that this is ONLY deciding if we should move forward this this, after we get a full plan laid out from the BT council we will hold another meeting before anything is set in stone
[17:35] <AndrewMC> any last votes
[17:35] <popey> MichealH: its merger. and it's grammar, and it's 'because'. :0
[17:35] <AndrewMC> [endvote]
[17:35] <MootBot> Final result is 3 for, 1 against. 0 abstained. Total: 2
[17:36] <AndrewMC> Okay, so this WILL be brought forward to the BT council, and we will hold another meeting once we get a full plan laid out
[17:36] <AndrewMC> [topic] Any final concerns, quesitons, or ideas?
[17:36] <MichealH> popey, Oh, I thought he ment merge *hides*
[17:36] <MootBot> New Topic:  Any final concerns, quesitons, or ideas?
[17:38] <AndrewMC> okay, I would like to thank all of you who attended today, have a great day/afternoon/evening and keep hacking :)
[17:38] <BasicXP> i'm sorry, had to reboot, my computer gone crazy
[17:38] <BasicXP> AndrewMC: what was the decision on the merging?
 Okay, so this WILL be brought forward to the BT council, and we will hold another meeting once we get a full plan laid out
[17:39] <AndrewMC> Gulfstream: beat me to it :)
[17:39] <BasicXP> thanks
[17:39] <hakimsheriff> sorry everyone, i had to leave, but i am back now
[17:39] <AndrewMC> okay so any further discussion will be held in #ubuntu-youth again thanks for attending
[17:39] <AndrewMC> #endmeeting
[17:39] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 11:39.
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