[00:00] <AlanBell> 920 is quad core
[00:00] <Seeker`> Azelphur: what have you got it clocked at?
[00:00] <Seeker`> Azelphur: also, link to the page?
[00:00] <AlanBell> http://www.hantslug.org.uk/wiki/HugoRandomBenchmark
[00:01] <Azelphur> Seeker`, 3.7, going for more
[00:01] <Azelphur> AlanBell, 4 cores with hyperthreading
[00:02] <AlanBell> yeah, 980 is hexacore (12 with hyperthreading)
[00:02] <Seeker`> Azelphur: gotta be a stable overclock though :P
[00:02] <Azelphur> indeed
[00:02] <Seeker`> I mean it cant be a "run for 5 mins and reset it" :P
[00:02]  * AlanBell decides not to overclock the server
[00:02] <Seeker`> I want you using that overclock in 3 months time if you claim to beat my record :P
[00:03] <Azelphur> Seeker`, yea, this is stable
[00:04] <Azelphur> Seeker`, I have a very big radiator :)
[00:05] <Seeker`> Azelphur: liquid cooled?
[00:05] <Azelphur> yep
[00:08] <Seeker`> if you can't beat 4GHz you're doing it wrong :P
[00:08] <Seeker`> I'm on air cooling
[00:08] <Azelphur> Seeker`, yea I'm going to 4ghz now
[00:08] <Azelphur> it's scary :(
[00:09] <Azelphur> Seeker`, my BIOS says "According to Intel CPU SPEC, DIMMs with voltage setting over 1.65V may damage CPU permanantly!!"
[00:09] <Azelphur> scary settings are scary :o
[00:11] <Seeker`> Azelphur: well, its true
[00:11] <Azelphur> Seeker`, still reasonably safe with decent cooling though right? :p
[00:12] <Azelphur> I had it up at 3.7 and it wasn't even going above 67.5C while running stress --cpu 8
[00:12] <Seeker`> that voltage isn't about cooling
[00:13] <Seeker`> if you set the voltage too high ,the components can't handle it
[00:13] <Seeker`> breaks them down
[00:13] <Azelphur> I see
[00:13] <Azelphur> I should be alright with my hardware though right?
[00:13] <Azelphur> corsair dominator memory, sabertooth motherboard :p
[00:13] <Seeker`> You don't need to set the memory about 1.65V
[00:13] <Seeker`> *above
[00:13] <Azelphur> http://www.clunk.org.uk/forums/overclocking/22106-core-i7-overclocking-guide-beginners.html#post66637
[00:14] <Azelphur> this is the guide I'm following, it says 1.66 ;o
[00:14] <Seeker`> hmm
[00:14] <Seeker`> there might be a 1.657 or so option
[00:15] <Azelphur> it's a typing box, you type in it :p
[00:15] <Azelphur> http://ustream.tv/channel/Azelphur live streaming my bios screen xD
[00:17] <Azelphur> Seeker`, think I should set it to 1.65?
[00:17] <Seeker`> memory overclocking makes so little difference, I'm not sure why you'd need to go out of spec by that much
[00:18] <Azelphur> I dunno, as I say I really know nothing about this xD
[00:18] <Azelphur> I'm just following the guide \o/
[00:22] <Azelphur> Seeker`, suggestions? :p
[00:25] <Seeker`> suggestions for what?
[00:25] <Azelphur> re 1.66 or 1.65
[00:26] <Azelphur> I think staying at 1.65 sounds best just wondering if it breaks the overclock :p
[00:26] <Azelphur> i know my ram is designed for 1.65
[00:27] <Seeker`> 1.65 shouldn't break the overclock
[00:27] <Seeker`> it depends on individual components too
[00:27] <Seeker`> slight differences in quality
[00:28] <Azelphur> ok :p
[00:28] <Azelphur> 1.65 it is then
[00:28]  * Azelphur crosses fingers
[00:29] <Azelphur> seems to have not exploded \o/
[00:32] <Azelphur> Seeker`, I'm getting lower temps at 4 than I was at 3.7, haha
[00:32] <Azelphur> weird :D
[00:34] <Seeker`> give it time :P
[00:34] <Seeker`> It takes a few hours to be sure if it is reasonably stable
[00:34] <Azelphur> 63.5C *yawn*
[00:34] <Azelphur> pretty much the same temp I got at 3ghz
[00:34] <Azelphur> my cooling system just doesn't care, haha
[00:35] <Seeker`> I'm getting 45C atm
[00:35] <Seeker`> but it has throttled itself back to 2.4ghz atm
[00:35] <Seeker`> under load I don't usually see above 60
[00:35] <Azelphur> Seeker`, yea, I'm chilling out at 63
[00:36] <Azelphur> Seeker`, if your watching the stream I can show you the cooling setup? :)
[00:36] <Seeker`> i'm not watching atm
[01:50] <Azelphur> Seeker`: only got it to 4ghz, couldn't get the 4.5ghz settings right, gonna try again tomorrow maybe :)
[01:50] <Seeker`> try for something between the two
[01:51] <Seeker`> 4.2 might be doable
[01:51] <Azelphur> yea, tomorrow I'll probably start with that
[01:56] <ball> 4 GHz is a practical reality on a POWER chip...and they're computationally stronger than x86.
[01:56] <ball> ...not the kind of thing you find in a PC though.
[01:56] <ball> Some POWER chips routinely ran at 5 GHz
[01:57] <Azelphur> POWER?
[01:57]  * ball nods
[01:57] <ball> POWER6, POWER7 etc.
[01:57] <Azelphur> :P
[01:57] <Seeker`> 4GHz is a practical reality on modern intels too
[01:58] <Seeker`> and clock speed isn't directly equal to performance
[01:59] <ball> You're right about performance per MHz varying between chips and architectures
[01:59] <ball> POWER7 is a monster though.
[04:17]  * ball goes back to his kernel build
[08:53] <MartijnVdS> Morning everyone!
[09:03] <popey> lo
[09:27] <czajkowski> aloha
[09:32] <daubers> Morning
[09:33] <daubers> Apparently ctrl+r doesn't do reverse lookup in xchat
[09:36] <danfish> ahoy hoy saveloys!
[09:36] <popey> mmmmm saveloy
[09:37] <popey> http://drool.popey.com/
[09:37] <czajkowski> listadmin is my fav command
[09:37] <czajkowski> makes my life easier
[09:37] <czajkowski> sad
[09:38] <danfish> czajkowski: you need to get out more ;)
[09:38] <czajkowski> heading to Nokia in a wee bit
[09:38] <czajkowski> does that count
[09:39] <danfish> absolutely :) LUG meeting I presume?
[09:39] <danfish> hmm - to cancel dropbox account or not - http://bit.ly/kB8RB6
[09:41] <ging> normally when people tell me i need to get out more lug meeting are the exact oposite of what they mean by getting out
[09:41] <popey> danfish: i uninstalled it last night
[09:42] <danfish> popey: I think I'll be doing the same and having a look at spideroak
[09:43] <daubers> Oh dear
[09:44] <danfish> daubers: please to be explaining?
[09:45] <daubers> danfish: Getting rid of dropbox is a bit of a pain
[09:46]  * daubers ponders setting up some kind of webdav syncy thing
[09:47] <danfish> daubers: my thoughts as well - the only problem for me is that webdav on XP (at work) sucks
[09:47] <daubers> \o/ Don't deal with XP anymore
[09:48] <daubers> Pondering forking out to upgrade the missus' laptop to Win 7 so I can banish the XP demon forever
[09:48] <danfish> she won't go for ubuntu?
[09:48] <daubers> danfish: Uni stuff requires here to use MS Office
[09:49] <daubers> s/here/her
[09:49] <daubers> danfish: She's running maverick on her eeepc mind
[09:49] <daubers> danfish: Also, Civ 4 et al won't run on Ubuntu
[09:50]  * daubers may be forced back into Windows by OU stuff that starts in October
[09:51] <danfish> why do our uni's which are supposed to be promoting academic endevour and freedom, insist on students running proprietary dross?
[09:52] <daubers> Maybe not!
[09:52] <daubers> "This course makes use of the optional Google Apps for Education account provided to all Open University students."
[09:53] <danfish> that's not too shoddy
[09:53] <daubers> also "You will need internet access and a computer. If you have purchased a new Windows computer since 2005 or an Apple Mac (OS X 10.4 or later) or Linux computer, it should meet your course computing requirements."
[09:53] <daubers> "or Linux computer" \o/
[09:54] <danfish> \o/ what course are you doing?
[09:54] <daubers> http://www3.open.ac.uk/study/undergraduate/course/tu100.htm
[09:56] <danfish> that looks good, but I suspect you could graduate today :)
[09:56] <daubers> danfish: Maybe, but I suspect there's lots of bits I don't know I don't know :) Which is the point of doing it
[09:58] <daubers> danfish: Also.... I now need an android device so I can play with the android arduino things :)
[10:04] <danfish> android@home - very exciting that they chose arduino :)
[10:06] <danfish> daubers: nearer the time we should have a think about an oggcamp session
[10:07] <dutchie> daubers: i have an old san francisco and pulse lying around not doing anything...
[10:07] <dutchie> wonder how many people are getting confused by all of us having 7 letters and starting with d
[10:09] <danfish> hah - didn't notice that
[10:11] <dutchie> wonder whether it would be a good idea to upgrade my laptop to ubuntu 11.04 today
[10:12] <daubers> dutchie: Ooooooooh
[10:12] <dutchie> daubers: they are a bit battered, but fully operational iirc
[10:12] <daubers> can I steal one?
[10:13] <dutchie> oh, the sf is a bit more broken
[10:13] <dutchie> it doesn't recognise an sd card
[10:13] <dutchie> i think the pulse is ok
[10:14] <dutchie> you are welcome to have it for postage+beer or whatever
[10:15] <daubers> \o/
[10:15] <daubers> How about postage + an original pre?
[10:16] <dutchie> deal
[10:16] <dutchie> it would appear to be network locked
[10:16] <daubers> To?
[10:17] <dutchie> t-mob, one would assume
[10:17] <daubers> Okies. I can probably get around that
[10:18] <dutchie> shall i clear off data and send it on monday then?
[10:19] <daubers> Yes please!
[10:20] <davmor2> hey czajkowski
[10:22] <czajkowski> davmor2: ello
[10:23] <ali1234> adk requires android 3.1 or 2.3.4
[10:23] <ali1234> before you all rush out and buy second hand android phones
[10:40] <Guest28127> hi guys, can any one help me with this issue? i am trying to install fglrx on ubuntu 10.10. its giving me an error message, the detaisl are here https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fglrx-installer/+bug/782424
[10:41] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[10:42] <dwatkins> hi folks
[10:43] <brobostigon> morning dwatkins
[10:52] <dwatkins> I have lots of paperwork to do today, I wish some institutions accepted electronic submissions.
[10:53] <hamitron> dwatkins: either or would be nice, yes
[10:53] <hamitron> :)
[10:53] <dwatkins> yeah, hamitron
[10:53] <dwatkins> I had to go to the DVLA office because the form got lost.
[10:54] <dwatkins> correction: one form was lost in the post, the other form went missing
[10:54] <hamitron> I love electronic services to make life easier/quicker, but I also like the manual method as backup
[10:54] <hamitron> :/
[10:55] <dwatkins> agreed, hamitron
[11:08] <selinuxium> morning all
[11:08] <MartijnVdS> \o selinuxium
[11:10] <selinuxium> hey MartijnVdS  :)
[11:10]  * MartijnVdS listens to: http://uk.7digital.com/artists/headless-heroes/
[11:10] <MartijnVdS> I have them all on vinyl \o/
[11:18] <selinuxium> they sound cool  :)
[11:20] <MartijnVdS> she has a beautiful voice
[11:22] <Guest57386> hi guys, i am not able to install fglrx on ubuntu 10.10 64 bit, can any one help please
[11:23] <selinuxium> Hmm... just bought a hdmi cable for the laptop... under Natty I can't find the screen switcher app.... :/
[11:31] <MartijnVdS> selinuxium: Top right (power) -> System settings
[11:32] <selinuxium> MartijnVdS, Cheers! didn't know that one!
[11:32] <MartijnVdS> It's not very obvious
[11:33] <MartijnVdS> you could search for the individual bits using the Unity thing
[11:33] <selinuxium> Plugged the hdmi cable in but it is not showing in monitors...
[11:33] <MartijnVdS> which card?
[11:33] <selinuxium> one mo..
[11:35] <selinuxium> 02:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Device 9488
[11:35] <selinuxium> ?
[11:35] <MartijnVdS> And which driver are you using? The fglrx one?
[11:35] <selinuxium> not sure..
[11:35] <MartijnVdS> Because that one's a bit poo :)
[11:35] <MartijnVdS> well it has faster 3D, but bad support for multi-screen etc.
[11:35] <selinuxium> oh..
[11:35]  * MartijnVdS has to go now, sorry
[11:35] <MartijnVdS> !fglrx
[11:36] <selinuxium> ttfn MartijnVdS
[11:36] <selinuxium> CHeers
[12:06] <Seeker`> hihi
[12:13] <hcfd> Am I the only one experiencing trouble listing items on eBay using Ubuntu and chromium?
[12:32] <kvarley> hcfd: Have you tried a different browser to ensure it's chromiums fault and not something else?
[12:35] <hcfd> I ended up running firefox in a Windows XP VM I had open at the time. Not pointing the finger at chromium necessarily but I don't recall ever having issues with firefox in Ubuntu.
[12:36] <hcfd> I haven't gone to the trouble of isolating the cause/incompatibility.
[12:54] <Azelphur> what's the package I need to install for ATI proprietary drivers?
[12:54]  * Azelphur prods hamitron :p
[12:54] <hamitron> fglrx?
[12:54] <Azelphur> that should have been obvious :D
[12:55] <hamitron> considering I am using vga connection, the image quality is great on it
[12:55] <hamitron> half tempted to try dvi
[12:55] <hamitron> :)
[13:21] <selinuxium> hamitron, want to use my hdmi port... fglrx...
[13:26] <hamitron> my monitor has no hdmi
[13:26] <hamitron> :/
[13:37] <ali1234> i just ordered 16gb of ram
[13:38] <ali1234> so hopefully i won't run out any more
[13:39] <need_help> hi
[13:39] <need_help> i need some help plz
[13:40] <need_help> ubuntu doesn"t detecte mu usb disk
[13:40] <need_help> my*
[13:40] <need_help> any solution?!
[13:40] <dwatkins> did it work beforehand, need_help?
[13:40] <need_help> its working on vista
[13:41] <need_help> and dected when i use lsusb dommand
[13:41] <need_help> command*
[13:41] <dwatkins> does dmesg show anything after you connect it, need_help?
[13:42] <dwatkins> I have to go, sorry.
[13:42] <need_help> it's my first experience with ubuntu so i can't really follow
[13:42] <need_help> but i can send u the repport
[13:45] <need_help> any  solution  !!
[13:56] <popey> need_help: #ubuntu is probably a better place to ask
[14:09] <Guest40434> hi guys can some one help me to make my vga switcheooo work
[14:18] <Azelphur> installed the latest ati driver from the .run file, now X won't start. http://paste.ubuntu.com/607410/ suggestions? :(
[14:20] <ging> tell other people not to install the lastest ati driver from the .run file
[14:22] <Azelphur> ging, besides that :D
[14:23] <ali1234> why done that?
[14:23] <Azelphur> ali1234, because I needed the latest drivers?
[14:23] <ali1234> oh, ati
[14:23] <Azelphur> lol
[14:24] <ali1234> their old drivers never work on the new cards
[14:24] <ali1234> i dunno why
[14:24] <ali1234> actually i do, it's because ati sucks
[14:24] <Azelphur> lol
[14:24] <Azelphur> they may suck but they also have faster integer math than nvidia :p
[14:25] <ali1234> yes
[14:25] <Azelphur> ali1234, so any suggestions re my X not starting? :(
[14:26] <ali1234> install windows
[14:26] <Azelphur> noooooes
[14:26] <Azelphur> other people have the 6990 working on Linux
[14:26] <penguin42> Azelphur: Does the one that gets installed through Jockey not do it?
[14:27] <gord> why would you need faster integer maths on a gpu?
[14:27] <gord> just wondering
[14:27] <penguin42> gord: A lot of the pixel level stuff doesn't have to be float
[14:27] <Azelphur> penguin42, it does, it has horrible performance and kept on causing opencl errors :(
[14:27] <gord> however, float is faster, so it is
[14:27] <Azelphur> gord, bitcoin :D
[14:27] <ali1234> gord: for bitcoin
[14:27] <gord> ah
[14:27] <Azelphur> lol
[14:28] <ali1234> ati gpus completely blow away anything from nvidia for this, according to the benchmarks i read
[14:28] <Azelphur> ^ exactly
[14:28] <Azelphur> by about 2x
[14:28] <gord> makes sense, but i'm still buying gpus for graphical performance, i'm silly like that ;)
[14:28] <ali1234> supposedly using a ati gpu is actually cost effective in that the bitcoins are worth more than the video card and the electricity after about 6 months
[14:28] <Azelphur> hehe
[14:28] <ali1234> of course once everyone figures this out it won't be any more
[14:29] <penguin42> cost effective for what?
[14:29] <gord> one day i'll be able to tell my kids "i was in the irc channel that hoarded all the bitcoins, causing the great bitcoin wars of 2020"
[14:30] <penguin42> gord: And they'll say 'Daddy - what was irc ?'
[14:30] <gord> i'm fairly sure irc will outlive us all
[14:30] <Azelphur> haha
[14:31] <penguin42> it may do, it might be we'll talk of it in fondness in the way grey beards of today speak fondly of fidonet
[14:31] <Azelphur> what about my X not starting though? :(
[14:31] <Azelphur> I need my X to do that starting thing.
[14:31] <penguin42> Azelphur: Remove that driver, nuke your X config, get back to teh open source driver working and then throw jockey at it to put the ubuntu supported package in
[14:31] <ali1234> fidonet is a network, irc is a protocol
[14:32] <Azelphur> penguin42, open driver doesn't support my card
[14:32] <Azelphur> and the ubuntu supported package is extremely slow
[14:32] <penguin42> ali1234: I'm not sure that was true back 20 years ago - yes it was a network, but I think most of the internode protocols it used were developed on the back of it
[14:32] <Azelphur> it can't even do compiz cube properly
[14:32] <Azelphur> on a 6990 xD
[14:33] <Azelphur> with jockey driver, my 8800GT performs better than my 6990
[14:34] <hamitron> I'd wait till you get it working, before judging
[14:34] <hamitron> :)
[14:34] <Azelphur> hamitron, not judging?
[14:35] <hamitron> comparing I mean
[14:36] <Azelphur> hamitron, I'm not comparing, read the rest of the conversation.
[14:38]  * penguin42 reads about Bitcoin
[14:39] <Azelphur> nobody seems to want to help me get X running on the latest ATI driver :(
[14:40] <hamitron> I'd install another OS alongside, so you can try things and risk messing things
[14:41] <hamitron> then try all the latest stuff from AMD
[14:41] <Azelphur> I've already installed all the latest stuff from AMD XD
[14:41] <hamitron> yeh
[14:41] <Azelphur> I can risk messing things I have separate /home
[14:42] <hamitron> but I mean on a clean system, and a supported OS
[14:42] <hamitron> then you can rule out hardware problems
[14:43] <Azelphur> I doubt a hardware problem makes the driver not work :p
[14:43] <Azelphur> on day 1 xD
[14:43] <penguin42> Azelphur: So that log you posted is a seg in the drvier you got - either it doesn't like the version of the X server it's used against or it's just buggy
[14:43] <penguin42> Azelphur: Being a closed driver there is nothing that can be done
[14:44] <Azelphur> I see
[14:45] <hamitron> !info xorg
[14:46] <hamitron> according to the release notes, the driver should work on Xorg 7.6
[14:46] <hamitron> the latest anyway
[14:47] <ali1234> from log: X.Org X Server 1.10.1, module = compiled for 1.4.99.906, module version = 8.84.60
[14:48] <ali1234> so basically looks like you need 1.5
[14:50] <ali1234> i find it interesting that the crash involves pthreads somehow
[14:52] <Azelphur> ali1234, 1.5 what?
[14:52] <ali1234> xorg
[14:52] <Azelphur> isn't xorg at 7.6 now?
[14:52] <ali1234> abi version
[14:52] <hamitron> xserver?
[14:52] <hamitron> !info xserver
[14:53] <Azelphur> ali1234, would that be in xorg edgers?
[14:53] <ali1234> no probably not, it's an old version
[14:53] <hamitron> couldn't building it from the .sh script fix it all?
[14:53] <ali1234> maybe
[14:54] <ali1234> what exactly do you get in the .bin file?
[14:54] <Azelphur> .bin file?
[14:54] <ali1234> yeah you said you downloaded a bin file?
[14:54] <Azelphur> the amd drivers? they are .run :p
[14:54] <ali1234> oh. well, same thing
[14:54] <Azelphur> I don't know exactly what's in them though
[14:55] <hamitron> it has a nice gui to build ubuntu packages
[14:55] <hamitron> :)
[14:55] <hamitron> I was reasonably impressed with it
[14:56] <ali1234> tbh it looks like all the modules are right
[14:56] <ali1234> i suspect something nasty is going on with the dual gpu and threads
[14:56] <Azelphur> \o/
[14:56] <penguin42> Is confused by how bitcoin privacy - if the ID of each transaction is public and the ID is what you identifiy yourself as then can't you effectively collect a mapping that lets you work who is who?
[14:56] <Azelphur> ali1234, edgers seems to package fglrx, so maybe the solution is to just go onto the edgers repo
[14:57] <ali1234> penguin42: no, you can make as many public ids as you want
[14:57] <ali1234> Azelphur: perhaps... edgers never worked for me though
[14:57]  * penguin42 runs edgers open drivers on ---> machine
[14:58] <Guest40434> ali1234, could u give me some hints about how to make my ATI/intel switchable graphics make work on ubuntu 10.10 please
[14:58] <ali1234> Guest40434: no, no idea
[14:59] <Azelphur> ali1234, haha, I'm already on edgers for issues I had with my gtx 570
[14:59] <Azelphur> fun \o/
[14:59] <ali1234> that may be the problem then
[15:00]  * Azelphur ppa-purges it
[15:02] <ali1234> Azelphur: did you try to load unity when starting X?
[15:03] <Azelphur> nah I'm using classic
[15:03] <penguin42> that error looks pretty early on in the X server
[15:04] <ali1234> according to some forum i just read, manually specifying busid can help
[15:04] <Azelphur> I see :p
[15:05] <ali1234> it also looks like it does appear as two cards on pci
[15:05] <Azelphur> yea, the 6990 does I think
[15:06] <ali1234> so it could be that manual busid makes it only use one of the gpus, avoiding the thread issue
[15:06] <Azelphur> good scheme
[15:06] <ali1234> (WW) Falling back to old probe method for fglrx
[15:06] <ali1234> sounds bad
[15:06] <Azelphur> bitcoin miners actually see it as 2 separate GPUs, have to run 2 minors
[15:06] <Azelphur> miners*
[15:06] <ali1234> lol minors
[15:06] <RaycisCharles> Does anybody prefer Unity (its current implementation) over Gnome 3?
[15:07] <Azelphur> haha :D
[15:07] <ali1234> RaycisCharles: yes me
[15:07] <hamitron> RaycisCharles: yes
[15:07] <Azelphur> ali1234, interestingly when I did run the 2 miners after a while the miner on the first card would spam errors about unexpected opencl behaviour
[15:08] <Azelphur> and chant "hardware problem?" at me :(
[15:08] <ali1234> on the ati card?
[15:08] <Azelphur> yea
[15:08] <ali1234> so you had it working before?
[15:08] <Azelphur> on the really old natty drivers yea
[15:08] <ali1234> why not just use that?
[15:08] <Azelphur> really bad performance + errorspam = time to upgrade
[15:08] <ali1234> i highly doubt it makes a difference for opencl
[15:09] <Azelphur> I was hoping to use it as a desktop card too
[15:09] <ali1234> i would put it in a old motherboard and throw it in a cupboard until it's paid for itself
[15:09] <ali1234> maybe by the the drivers work properly
[15:09] <hamitron> ATI Catalyst™ 11.4 Update Driver (8.841) are needed for the SDK
[15:10] <hamitron> for reference
[15:10] <Azelphur> :p
[15:10] <Azelphur> ali1234, depending on profitability I may build a dedicated miner
[15:10]  * hamitron grabs Azelphur's tongue
[15:11] <ali1234> http://phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?24303-Common-theme-lately-fglrx-segfault
[15:11] <ali1234> ^ look familiar?
[15:12] <Azelphur> ali1234, very :)
[15:13] <ali1234> did you reboot after switching driver?
[15:13]  * Azelphur is letting disk check complete since I havn't done one in a while :p
[15:13] <Azelphur> yes
[15:15] <ali1234> seeing more forum posts suggesting it's a 64 bit problem
[15:16] <Azelphur> ali1234, busid is already set, so no dice :(
[15:16] <Azelphur> gah, 64bit problem :(
[15:16] <Azelphur> ali1234, is there any way for me to load the driver at the command line without X running?
[15:16] <ali1234> no?
[15:16] <Azelphur> the miners don't seem to see the card unless X is running
[15:17] <ali1234> not possible
[15:17] <Azelphur> :(
[15:17] <ali1234> not until we get wayland drivers anyway
[15:17] <Azelphur> that's weird, would have thought you could run opencl without a GUI
[15:17] <Azelphur> seems like the sort of thing people would want to do
[15:17] <ali1234> not with proprietary drivers
[15:17] <Azelphur> hehe
[15:18] <ali1234> so there's three things to try
[15:18] <Azelphur> I only counted 1? o.O
[15:20] <ali1234> well you need to make sure you have all the right kernel modules and stuff
[15:20] <Azelphur> I might just try the 11.3 driver see if that fixes it
[15:21] <ali1234> worth a try
[15:43] <RaycisCharles> Is there a way to introduce an App Store style window of authentication for installing packages?
[15:44] <RaycisCharles> I'd like to enter a password and not have to re-enter for each subsequent software install for the next 15 minutes or so.
[15:54] <penguin42> RaycisCharles: Try something like gksudo synaptic &
[16:01] <RaycisCharles> Eh?
[16:42] <Azelphur> ali1234, done a fresh install of 32bit \o/
[16:43] <ali1234> does it work?
[16:43] <Azelphur> same issue with the miner though :(
[16:43] <ali1234> is it faster?
[16:43] <Azelphur> I havn't updated the graphics driver yet
[16:43] <Azelphur> just the jockey version, so slowness and miner errors
[16:44] <Azelphur> ali1234, what's the recommended way to install the latest driver?
[16:44] <Azelphur> everyone shouted at me for using the .run :P
[16:44] <ali1234> use jockey
[16:45] <Azelphur> I have used jockey, results are miner errors and slowness?
[16:45] <Azelphur> the version of the driver in jockey isn't the newest I think?
[16:45] <Azelphur> the driver seems to have 2 different version numbers just to make life so much easier.
[16:46] <Azelphur> yea, the jockey version is old
[16:47] <Azelphur> I think I can make it build packages though o.O
[16:48] <hamitron> the GUI is simple
[16:49] <Azelphur> yep, packages built \o/
[16:50] <hamitron> dvd-ram disks are ace
[16:50] <hamitron> why have I not used them before? ;/
[16:50] <gord> why would you?
[16:50] <hamitron> erm
[16:50] <hamitron> the got a fancy pattern on them?
[16:50] <hamitron> they*
[16:50] <hamitron> :D
[16:51] <gord> ;) just don't see the use myself
[16:51] <hamitron> like a portable filesystem
[16:51] <hamitron> at least, I get that impression
[16:51] <gord> riiight, so in a world of cheep usb pen drives, how is that useful?
[16:52] <hamitron> I'm always lacking usb ports tbh
[16:52] <Azelphur> riiiight, so in a world of cheap usb hubs, how is that a problem?
[16:52] <Azelphur> :p
[16:52] <hamitron> hubs are a pain
[16:52] <gord> i'm lacking actual dvd drive readers more than usb ports :)
[16:52] <Azelphur> ^
[16:53] <Azelphur> I actually removed my DVD drive a month or so again
[16:53] <Azelphur> useless power drain was useless
[16:53] <ali1234> i nearly bought a bluray burner earlier
[16:53] <ali1234> decided not to though
[16:53] <hamitron> I am tempted with bluray now
[16:53] <gord> i was in windows the other day and i clicked on D: by accident i guess, the dvd drive popped out, scared the crap out of me
[16:53] <hamitron> prices are lower
[16:53] <ali1234> 128GB per disc, what can possibly go wrong?
[16:53] <hamitron> 128Gb?
[16:53] <ali1234> on BDXL
[16:53] <ali1234> you can't buy the discs outside japan yet
[16:54] <hamitron> oh
[16:54] <ali1234> but the writer is £100
[16:54] <hamitron> I was looking at 50Gb RW ones
[16:54] <hamitron> :)
[16:54] <gord> you can't use BDXL in regular bluray drives either
[16:54] <ali1234> who cares?
[16:54] <Azelphur> ali1234, that's interesting, I just got the hardware problem spam from the second card this time
[16:54] <gord> people who want to use the disks in regular bluray drives i would assume
[16:54] <ali1234> you can't use them in dvd players or cdrom drives either
[16:54] <penguin42> how random write are those drives?
[16:55] <ali1234> anyway i decided against it
[16:56] <hamitron> 128Gb would be very useful
[16:56] <hamitron> :)
[16:56] <hamitron> I felt 50Gb was doable, but still hard work
[16:58]  * hamitron sighs
[16:58] <hamitron> dvd-ram is slow
[16:59] <hamitron> didn't realise
[16:59] <ali1234> all optical media is slow for writing
[16:59] <hamitron> but at least buying these 5 dvd-ram for 3 quid, saved me 5 quid delivery
[17:00] <oly> hi, anyone on here got any recommendations on a sub £300 pound video camera that works nicely with linux ?
[17:00] <hamitron> these feel slow by dvd writing standards
[17:00] <hamitron> :/
[17:00] <ali1234> well yes
[17:00] <ali1234> rewritable is always slower as well
[17:00] <hamitron> by those too
[17:00] <hamitron> 2Gb is taking 30 mins
[17:01] <hamitron> I suppose I don't normally watch them either :D
[17:02] <popey> oly: kodak sx3
[17:03] <hamitron> gah
[17:03] <hamitron> ali1234: gonna buy another hdd
[17:03] <hamitron> cba with this
[17:04] <popey> oly: i have a zi8 but i think that's discontinued, the sx3 is the next one up
[17:08] <oly> cheers popey will check it out
[17:08] <oly> we where thinking of a sony one but i know what sony are like with file formats :)
[17:10] <popey> i can send you a sample file from my zi8 if that helps?
[17:12] <oly> maybe, i cant actually find the sx3 i can find the zi8 for about £80
[17:13] <oly> girlfriend wants it to video ferrets mainly so needs to hand fast movement well
[17:13] <popey> sorry, zx3
[17:13] <popey> it does 60fps 720p
[17:14] <popey> Anyone on 11.04 with Unity fancy confirming bug 782701 please?
[17:14] <oly> ah yeah i can found that a sample may be good, got a bit more i can spend than that,
[17:15] <oly> my first thought though is it looks like a phone video camera :p ie has a small lens and does nto let in much light
[17:15] <popey> yeah, thats true
[17:15] <popey> its not great in low light
[17:19] <oly> popey, i get something different it pastes but the result is unicode :p
[17:19] <oly> so i get a box with the usual wierd box with numbers in it
[17:19] <oly> could
[17:20] <oly> have you got a page your copying from ?
[17:20] <oly> could be its copying it in the pages encoding and not translating perhaps ?
[17:27] <selinuxium> hi all
[17:27] <selinuxium> !fglrx
[17:32] <popey> oly: I'm copying from a terminal
[17:35] <oly> huh that actually does the same
[17:36] <oly> ls -la copied from a terminal results in square box 0016
[17:37] <bennie123> hey all
[17:55] <selinuxium> Any natty hdmi users out there?  I cant even seem to get my HDMI to work at all... :/
[18:10] <bigcalm> popey: on phone with 150. Initial response is 'NO'. Said you had it, why can't I? They are checking...
[18:14] <bigcalm> popey: now they don't have the information to hand and will need to give me a call back within the next 2 hours. Grrr. Why do I get the feeling I'm about to lose my discount?
[18:28] <hamitron> pizza!
[18:32] <helpme> hello! can someone help me please? i am a complete begginer to ubuntu. i have the 10.10(maverick) live cd. i installed it and upgraded it to 11.04 (natty). i have HP vs 17e monitor which supports resolution upto 1280X1024 Pixels only. after i upgraded, the computer restarted and i got an error saying- " Change Resoultion settings to 1280X1024, input out of range" i guess the default resoultion of natty is higher than my monitor capa
[18:33] <helpme> of the monitor to fix this
[18:33] <helpme> please help!
[18:47] <popey> bigcalm: :(
[18:47] <popey> bigcalm: or worse, you don't get it and I get my discount revoked :)
[18:47] <popey> which is worse :)
[18:47] <hamitron> hehe
[18:50] <bigcalm> popey: I'm wondering if you forgot to add a question mark to your last line :P
[18:51] <bigcalm> popey: I haven't given your name (yet)
[18:55] <popey> http://popey.com/minecraft/day/?x=-846&y=64&z=398&zoom=-1
[18:55] <popey> thats new!
[18:55] <popey> Just stumbled upon it
[18:55] <popey> looks like the great wall of china
[18:55] <popey> bigcalm: i can give you the name of the person i have dealt with via email if that helps?
[18:55] <popey> she is very good, will help during work hours
[18:56] <bigcalm> Cheers :)
[18:56] <popey> ping me on monday for it
[18:56] <popey> i dont have it to hand
[18:57] <bigcalm> Okie
[18:57] <bigcalm> That looks like a wall I started in a single player map
[18:57] <bigcalm> Are the black blocks obsidian?
[19:01] <popey> dunno i suspect just not known by the mapping software
[19:02] <bigcalm> Aha
[19:03] <bigcalm> I was a lot of black blocks in the castle as well
[19:06] <ali1234> could be sandstone
[19:06] <popey> the pyramid is sandstone though, that shows up
[19:06] <ali1234> cobble halftiles maybe?
[19:07] <popey> i should have looked when I was there
[19:07] <popey> wonder who made it
[19:07] <popey> not you then? :)
[19:08] <ali1234> no
[19:27] <bigcalm> Humm. Natty doesn't tell me when I have capslock activated. Previous versions did
[19:28] <bigcalm> For some reason, Dell decided that indicator lights were old fashioned when they built my laptop
[19:28] <MartijnVdS> it does in the screensaver
[19:28] <MartijnVdS> do you mean gdm?
[19:29] <Seeker`> popey: thats my wall
[19:29] <popey> heh
[19:30] <Seeker`> black blocks are stone steps
[19:30] <popey> ahh
[19:35] <Seeker`> popey: you ever use the /give command?
[19:35] <popey> yeah
[19:36] <popey> alan@hatar:/home/minecraft/minecraft$ grep give server.log | grep -ic cjo20
[19:36] <popey> 188
[19:36] <Seeker`> :D:D
[19:36] <popey> popey = 230
[19:36] <bigcalm> Me?
[19:37] <popey> 110
[19:37] <bigcalm> \o/
[19:37] <popey> ali1234: =53
[19:37] <bigcalm> A lot of that 110 was when we were building the 1st set of minecart tracks
[19:38] <popey> alan@hatar:/home/minecraft/minecraft$ grep give server.log | grep bigcalm | grep -ic 66
[19:38] <bigcalm> Recently I've just got bored and have been blowing up large plots of sand with tnt :(
[19:38] <popey> 64
[19:38] <popey> indeed!
[19:38] <popey> i love the massive castle
[19:38] <popey> no idea whose it is
[19:38] <bigcalm> It is indeed cool
[19:38] <Seeker`> JGJones
[19:38] <popey> oh is it?
[19:39] <Seeker`> thats what he said
[19:39] <Seeker`> bah, obsidian is a pain
[19:41] <popey> Bah!
[19:41] <popey> Just looked at facebook momentarily and saw a Who spoiler
[19:42]  * popey goes to make pimms and pizza
[19:42] <Seeker`> popey: I think it was a very good episode
[19:43] <Seeker`> wont say anything more than that though
[19:43] <hamitron> I still not watched last weeks
[19:43] <hamitron> :/
[19:43] <hamitron> got them both recorded
[19:44] <bigcalm> So far disapointed with the new series of dw. Haven't seen today's ep just yet though
[19:44] <ali1234> i thought it was good. haven't watched todays yet tho
[19:44] <bigcalm> Waiting for VM to call me at 8pm before I do anything fun with my evening
[19:45] <hamitron> the first 2 I've enjoyed
[19:45] <popey> I probably wont get to watch it until after Eurovision
[19:45] <ali1234> last series felt like an annoying kids show
[19:45] <hamitron> but I do feel they are kinda more crazy than normal :)
[19:45] <ali1234> this series has some proper drama in it
[19:45] <popey> it is a kids show :)
[19:45] <ali1234> it should be more than a kids show
[19:45] <popey> <- kid
[19:45] <hamitron> it is?
[19:45] <hamitron> ;/
[19:45] <popey> it is
[19:45] <bigcalm> \o/
[19:45] <bigcalm> Yes
[19:45] <popey> I dont care though, I enjoy it
[19:45] <ali1234> just cos it's for kids doesn't mean it has to be morkish and trite
[19:45] <bigcalm> Torch Wood was the 'grown ups' version of dw
[19:46] <popey> The Doctor Who Podcast is quite good
[19:46] <popey> they're knowledgeable about the whole history/canon of Who
[19:46] <bigcalm> Will get around to listening to it at some point
[19:46] <ali1234> torchwood is just a kids show with swearing and nudity, makes no sense
[19:46] <hamitron> I just feel this new series is maybe too "tough" for a new viewer to get into
[19:46] <popey> yeah, never got on with Torchwood
[19:46] <bigcalm> Too welsh?
[19:46] <bigcalm> >:D
[19:46] <popey> but then I dont really like anything RTD has ever done
[19:46] <ali1234> just cos it's for adults doesn't mean it has to be vulgar
[19:46] <popey> too "gay" I think
[19:47] <bigcalm> Haha
[19:47] <hamitron> RTD?
[19:47] <popey> Russell T Davis
[19:47] <MartijnVdS> I love the bad guy's name is nice this week :) </spoiler>
[19:47] <bigcalm> I'm passing time by watching all of ZeroPunctuation's videos from day 0. Slagging of games is fun
[19:48]  * bigcalm leaves here until dw has been watched
[19:48] <bigcalm> :(
[19:48] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: zeropunctuation \o/
[19:48] <popey> yeah, me too
[19:48] <popey> ttfn
[19:48] <MartijnVdS> \o
[19:49] <ali1234> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pD0inuVLUs
[20:15] <Myrtti> YAYYYYY Eurovision song contest \o/
[20:16] <bigcalm> Who is hosting it?
[20:16] <Myrtti> Germany
[20:16] <gord> i couldn't get the regular troupe of people i get together to watch eurovision with together :(
[20:21] <Myrtti> Finnish BC is displaying some of the tweets with the finnish eurovision hashtag on teletext subtitles :-D
[20:21]  * oimon is a eurovision widow tonight
[20:22] <jibadeeha> eurovision is cool
[20:24] <hamitron> o.O
[20:26] <wintellect> Denmark are the best so far
[20:28] <oimon> in other news..anyone read this? http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/05/14/imac_hard_drive_replacement_woes/
[20:32] <oimon> anyone don't wanna watch eurovision, bbc click is just coming on now
[20:32] <gord> anyone that wants to customise a laptop, really isn't buying a mac anyway
[20:34] <penguin42> gord: Replacing drives isn't unusual though
[20:35] <gord> oh a mac it is...
[20:35] <oimon> i wonder how apple open the stuff up without destroying : i was given an ibook with dodgy mobo (couldn't boot) - i couldn't boot it to run DBAN before ebaying it, so i had to remove the hard drive. i ended up destroying my torx drivers and the whole machine. and this is from someone with 15 years experience of PC hardware
[20:37] <MartijnVdS> Lesson: don't buy apple, or look up the service manual on apple.com first
[20:38] <gord> wow... have you guys seen what amarok looks like these days? i mean... erm... which bit is the bit that plays my music? http://amarok.kde.org/files/Amarok2.4.1.png
[20:38] <MartijnVdS> gord: I saw another image of it with overlapping text and mismatched colours
[20:39] <gord> i promise to stop complaining about banshee, after trying out the windows music players just to play music whilst i play video games. and seing amarok? we have it gooooooooooooooooooooooodd
[20:39] <oimon> gord: it's hideous IMO, i recently switched to clementine from banshee, it's what amarok should have been
[20:40] <gord> ah, that looks more like what i remember amarok was
[20:40] <gord> although, bit too much like a spreadsheet for me
[20:40] <MartijnVdS> I was never a KDE user, so I don't know old-Amarok
[20:41] <oimon> it was great - but in clementine , it lives on
[20:41] <MartijnVdS> I actually don't mind banshee
[20:41] <oimon> i like the option of having file tree view
[20:41] <MartijnVdS> except for the crashing it sometimes does
[20:41] <oimon> the cover manager on clementine is fantastic too
[20:42] <oimon> (banshee doesn't explain why it doesn't find the covers)
[20:43] <oimon> wow..http://pixlr.com/editor/
[20:43] <gord> banshee is fine, its just that it could be so much greater if its video support actually worked, and if its queuing stuff made any sense whatsoever
[20:46] <jibadeeha> i still like rhythmbox
[20:46] <gord> right now i'll queue up a track thinking "Hey i really want to listen to this track but leave it in shuffle mode", then it plays that track, shuffles, plays that track again... shuffle. plays that track >:( and on and on
[20:48] <yothsoggoth> banshee seemed to lag every time I skipped a song when shuffle was on
[20:51] <AlanBell> where did per-application audio output selection go?
[20:51] <BigRedS> Oooh, that might be another natty feature
[20:52] <AlanBell> want banshee to use the speakers and skype/mumble to use the polycom communicator
[20:52] <AlanBell> I can see per-application volume settings, but there used to be a button dropdown thing to choose output I think
[21:05] <AlanBell> works great if I install pavucontrol
[22:22] <lazarus_> hi
[22:24] <BigRedS> hi