[00:31] <Cheri703> sooooo pissed off right now
[00:33] <Unit193> Eh?
[00:38] <Cheri703> roommate is being an inconsiderate jerk.
[00:38] <Cheri703> anyway...I'm going to attempt to sleep (til she comes in and wakes me up later), so I'll ttyl
[00:38] <Unit193> Bye!
[01:04] <canthus13> Cheri703: Shortsheet her.
[01:19] <Unit193> It doth rain...
[01:22] <Cheri703> bah, not sleepy, coming down with a cold so am stuffy. and I can't shortsheet her, because the whole point is that she is flying out super early and not coming to bed, so she will be coming in (in like an hour) to get her stuff and will thus wake me up
[01:22] <Cheri703> so it is hard to convince myself to try to sleep when I KNOW it is only for a short time
[01:22] <Cheri703> but then I have to be on a taxi in 4 hours, so...this is going to SUCK
[01:25] <canthus13> :(
[01:25] <canthus13> Sleep 'til you get back to JFK.
[01:25] <Cheri703> exactly
[01:25] <Cheri703> but that will SCREW UP my sleep schedule even more
[01:26] <Cheri703> I arrive at jfk at 3:30pm local time
[01:26] <Cheri703> which is 9:30pm hungary time
[01:26] <Cheri703> so basically I'll be up for well over 24 hours
[01:26] <Cheri703> if I don't sleep
[01:26] <Cheri703> but if I do, then it'll screw with everything
[01:27] <Cheri703> I don't reach columbus til 10:30pm
[01:27] <Cheri703> and then an hour home
[02:18] <deejoe> that last bit is the dangerous part, unless you've got someone picking you up
[02:18] <deejoe> but you're supposed to be asleep now, so nm :)
[02:20] <Cheri703> yeah, I have someone to get me
[02:20] <Cheri703> I'm all stuffy ...roommate just left, but still can't sleep
[02:38] <BiosElement> Cheri703: paul I think, I know I don't. Yay for late responses
[02:38] <Cheri703> kk
[02:40] <BiosElement> I can check though
[02:40] <BiosElement> As for the other ubuntu group, when the heck were they started? Anyone know?
[02:40] <BiosElement> I can only assume it was before my time.
[02:40] <BiosElement> Cheri703: Yep, it's paultag
[02:40] <Cheri703> it doesn't matter who has the page, just saying it needs responses when people post
[02:41] <Cheri703> also, it was started like a year and a half ago, it's a meetup group apparently
[02:42] <BiosElement> Sent paul a note
[02:44] <BiosElement> Cheri703: Actually it does since it needs updated before it's archived heh
[02:44] <Cheri703> kk
[02:46] <BiosElement> Cheri703: So enjoying your vacation? ;)
[02:46] <Cheri703> ha, not really a vacation, have been super busy all week, and now getting sick :(
[02:47] <BiosElement> And at this point I should probably note that if you're not, I reserve the right to throw cans at you until you do. >.>
[02:47] <Cheri703> heh, it's been awesome, but exhausting
[02:49] <BiosElement> Hah, that's good.
[02:51] <Cheri703> OMG SINUSES
[02:51] <Cheri703> also annoyed that husband hasn't responded to me today :(
[03:10] <TheErk> Sup peeps
[03:13] <Unit193> Don't put me in the microwave!!!
[03:16] <TheErk> ... why not?
[03:16] <BiosElement> Huh?
[03:17]  * BiosElement puts Unit193 in the microwave
[03:17] <Cheri703> I'm assuming it's "peeps explode in the microwave"
[03:17] <Unit193> My sister likes to put them in there...
[03:18] <Unit193> It's not nice to put people in the microwave...
[03:31] <deejoe> nobody puts Unit193 in the microwave
[03:34] <Unit193> Howdy paultag
[03:35] <TheErk> PEE TAG!!!
[03:36] <Unit193> Is that at all like normal tag? But with pee?
[03:38] <canthus13> sounds messy.
[03:39] <canthus13> Cheri703: Peeps don't explode in the microwave.. they grow.  search youtube for peep wars.
[03:40] <canthus13> ...Or peep jousting.
[04:42] <SkrappJaw> Anyone in?
[04:42] <Unit193> SkrappJaw: Yep
[05:07] <canthus13> Unit193: If you're interested in wireless security, check out this series.. this guy's good and a pretty decent teacher, too.  http://www.securitytube.net/groups?operation=view&groupId=9
[06:31] <jgould> hmm...  I may have to switch back to the MacOS...
[06:36] <Unit193> Can't get it to work I take it?
[06:36] <canthus13> jgould: Bummer. :(
[06:37] <jgould> Nope,  I may be getting more work added to me and it will require windows (natively... I have to be able to pass network data off to a program running in windows.) (Also, this is if the company doesn't issue me a laptop...)
[06:39] <ronnoc> jgould: why not run an XP session in a VB? That's what I have to do to use IE for ONE stinking corporate website
[06:40] <canthus13> ronnoc: IE4Linux doesn't do the job?
[06:40] <ronnoc> AFAIK that's no longer supported - at least last I checked
[06:41] <ronnoc> the project appeared abandoned
[06:41] <canthus13> Yeah, but most corp websites require IE6... and that works in IE4Linux. :)
[06:42] <ronnoc> Yepp. I evaluated it at the time and there was a reason I couldn't use it
[06:42] <Unit193> Can't you either change your useragent or WINE ie?
[06:43] <ronnoc> Unit193: Nah it needs an exact version of Java and a bunch of other dependencies. A vm was just easier.
[06:43] <jgould> I'm just thinking ahead.  I will also end up with an email account (I'm pretty sure) on our corprate exchange server, and I would like to be able to check that from my own computer...
[06:44] <jgould> I also can't get my bluetooh keyboard or trackpad to work under Lubuntu
[06:44] <ronnoc> jgould: I know that KDE's Kontact is supposed to be Exchange-friendly
[06:45] <canthus13> Unit193: Problem is a lot of these corp intranet sites use stupid crap like ActiveX.
[06:45] <jgould> Never been a big fan of KDE.  I *think* evolution supports exchange...
[06:45] <canthus13> pretty sure it does.
[06:45]  * canthus13 fires up evolution to check
[06:46] <canthus13> Yup.
[06:46]  * ronnoc shrugs and thinks KDE is pretty amazing these days
[06:46] <Unit193> evolution has OK support... davmail is what you really want to checkout (and you can use that with any client)
[06:47] <canthus13> ronnoc: It's ugly and feels like it was bolted together from spare parts.
[06:47] <ronnoc> lol
[06:49] <jgould> I actually detest windows,  I have for years, but I still have to use it from time to time
[06:52] <ronnoc> Here's my desktop tonight as I talk on IRC. Hardly looks bolted together IMO
[06:52] <ronnoc> http://i370.photobucket.com/albums/oo150/dequire/d73094eb.png
[06:53] <Unit193> What FF theme?
[06:54] <ronnoc> Unit193: It's stock - it's the KDE Window color and theme that makes it
[06:54]  * Unit193 has no issues with KDE
[06:54] <ronnoc> but i agree stock KDE is a little bland
[06:55] <ronnoc> and GTK apps look reched in it still
[06:57] <ronnoc> but hey, we're all 'Buntus and what else matters? =)
[06:58] <jgould> very ture
[06:58] <jgould> er true
[06:59] <ronnoc> jgould: hopefully it'll work out for you to stay on Linux and do what corp wants as well
[07:00] <ronnoc> my last employer (fortune 500 co) issued me an HP laptop. I immediately whiped the drive and installed Kubuntu lol
[07:00] <ronnoc> not even dual boot
[07:01] <jgould> I can't get away with that.  this software only runs under Windows, and the people I work with aren't smart enough to understand the diffrence...
[07:01] <jgould> We have Dells, but if they issue me a machine, It'll probably be a D630...
[07:01] <ronnoc> well, as I said, that's what Virtual Boxes are perfect for - just close Windows when it's not needed
[07:02] <jgould> I have virtual box installed, I just don't know if I can use it for our software or if it requires direct access to ethernet...
[07:03] <ronnoc> not sure. my VM has all ports, printers, and network working for Win, but I don't do anything directlywith TCPIP packets or anything
[07:05] <jgould> Wow...  I just unplugged my laptop and I have 14:43 of battery power remainging..
[07:11] <jgould> I suppose installing bluetooth support would help just a bit...
[07:14] <Unit193|AFK> Have a good night!
[07:14] <ronnoc> lol i would think so
[07:16] <jgould> damn trackpad
[07:31] <jgould> ok  this aluminum keyboard is cold...
[07:37] <jgould> Ok I think I got it
[07:40] <jgould> Now if I could just get drivers for the broadcom chipset on the wireless, I could use everything that is internal in this MacBook
[17:05] <dniMretsaM> hello
[17:57] <dniMretsaM> wow this chat is dead
[18:26] <paultag> Oh shucks
[18:26] <paultag> Oh well
[19:45] <BiosElement> Well yeah, it is if you come in midday on a Saturday. >.<
[19:59] <canthus13> we be sleepin' off our purple drank...
[20:34] <dniMretsaM> hi guys
[20:35] <dniMretsaM> hello all
[20:37] <dniMretsaM> liking Pidgin a lot
[20:38] <canthus13> ew.
[20:39] <dniMretsaM> y ew?
[20:42] <canthus13> Because pidgin is a horrible, memory-sucking program.
[20:42] <canthus13> It's not uncommon to see pidgin use over a gig of ram.
[20:45] <dniMretsaM> well, it's not using a gig of RAM on my computer since I only have 512 megs
[21:48] <canthus13> dniMretsaM: Heh.  Leave it open long enough and it will consume all available memory.
[21:49] <BiosElement> Ahh yes, nice to see mainstream media running with the irrelevent dropbox story
[21:54]  * jgould ponders
[21:55] <BiosElement> It's such a non-story. >.<
[21:55] <jgould> What's the story?
[21:55] <BiosElement> No data breach, no leaks, no total screwups, I fail to see a reason for outrage for a service most get for free.
[21:56] <BiosElement> Basically some folks in their PR Dept. got a bit excessive in their wording and implied there was a technical reason that Dropbox employees couldn't access your data, which was apparently not entirely accurate.
[21:56] <canthus13> there's outrage?
[21:56] <jgould> so it's a non story?
[21:57] <BiosElement> canthus13: Google dropbox security :P
[21:57] <canthus13> Among...?  I'm guessing it's non-technical types that are outraged.
[21:57] <canthus13> People who have no idea why they're outraged. :)
[21:57] <BiosElement> Well it's the top story on google news atm :P
[21:57] <BiosElement> canthus13: Wired ran with it,so yes, non-technical types hah
[21:58] <canthus13> Heh.
[21:58] <BiosElement> And to be clear, Dropbox fucked up, but it's nothing to throw a tantrum over.
[21:58] <dniMretsaM> what's up with dropbox?
[21:58] <BiosElement> http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2011/05/dropbox-ftc/
[21:58] <BiosElement> ^If you're curious
[21:58] <canthus13> Oh well. anyone who presumes that their files are secure with someone they have no contracct with is an idiot.
[21:59] <BiosElement> In short, dropbox 'can' access your files, there are no technical restrictions to prevent it.
[21:59] <canthus13> Heck, if you're worried about security, you should encrypt everything anyway.
[21:59] <BiosElement> +1 canthus13
[21:59] <BiosElement> I never toss anything there that isn't encrypted unless I don't care about it
[22:00] <canthus13> Exactly.
[22:00] <dniMretsaM> mass copyright infringement suits don't sound bad to me
[22:01] <BiosElement> Umm, what?
[22:01] <dniMretsaM> I don't store anything important on dropbox. mainly just iPhone app save data backups
[22:01] <canthus13> the shotgun approach to copyright suits should be illegal.
[22:02] <BiosElement> It is technically
[22:02] <BiosElement> But regardless, Wired is dead wrong in that regard
[22:02] <canthus13> "Dropbox Lied, People Died!!"
[22:02] <canthus13> ...
[22:02] <BiosElement> Dropbox is generally private unless marked otherwise. Thus it's not making public.
[22:02] <BiosElement> It'd be a hard case to argue
[22:03] <BiosElement> And as a side note
[22:03] <BiosElement> The quotes don't appear to be from the actual legal Terms of Service
[22:04] <BiosElement> So again, non-issue.
[22:05]  * canthus13 pokes at himself.
[22:06] <canthus13> Tried to rsync a whole partition onto a thumb drive. :/
[22:06] <BiosElement> >.>
[22:06] <canthus13> Meant to rsync the contents of an ISO.
[22:06] <deejoe> d'oh
[22:06]  * canthus13 is building a BT5 bootable SD card.
[22:07] <canthus13> I could make this my everyday OS, almost... It's pretty sharp so far.. The gnome version, anyway. :)
[22:07] <deejoe> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BT_tank
[22:08] <canthus13> Heh. Backtrack 5, silly.
[22:08] <canthus13> Not an undergunned, underarmored early soviet tank.
[22:09] <deejoe> heh
[22:10] <deejoe> sorry, I have trouble keeping up with what the flavor-of-the-month is with Linux distributions
[22:10] <canthus13> Bah. I may have to resize the partitions and start over again. :/
[22:10] <deejoe> :(
[22:10] <BiosElement> Dropbox's side of the story: http://blog.dropbox.com/?p=735
[22:10] <canthus13> deejoe: Backtrack has some serious security issues that would prevent it from being my primary OS.. It's not designed to be a primary OS.
[22:10] <canthus13> But it's a lot nicer than BT4.
[22:10] <canthus13> Ooo.. just squeezed it in.
[22:17] <BiosElement> Christopher Sogohain, ahh there we go. The idiot who filed the FTC complaint. Awesome. A "security researcher" I need to remember not to bother reading about.
[22:19] <canthus13> bah. didn't boot. :/  got a grub prompt.
[22:19] <canthus13> BiosElement: I dunno.. it's the same guy that outed facebook for being a bunch of assholes.  I kinda like the guy
[22:19] <BiosElement> It may be, but he's being a prick IMO with both actually.
[22:20] <BiosElement> He claims to be a privacy expert and posts private emails, not really illegal but poor form.
[22:23] <jgould> stupid samba
[22:24] <canthus13> facebook claims to be concerned with privacy, shares your info with every app you run.
[22:24] <BiosElement> Actually IMO facebook went overkill with their privacy now, it's overly confusing.
[22:43] <jgould> I'm bored
[22:43] <jgould> and I don't want to wgo to work tonight
[23:00]  * Cheri703 is at jfk
[23:04] <deejoe> \o/
[23:05] <canthus13> Almost home... :)
[23:05] <Cheri703> yep, leave here at 8:30, arrive in cbus at 10:30, get home around midnight probably
[23:05] <Cheri703> canthus13: I intend to go to the post office early this next week, so I'll try to get sully in the mail
[23:05] <Cheri703> unless you want me to send it right to whoever is taking it next
[23:14] <canthus13> Cheri703: Here is fine.. I'm not sure where he's going next.  I've got a friend at Fort Polk, though.. mebbe I could get him into the army. :)
[23:14] <Cheri703> heh
[23:15] <Cheri703> oh, give me a few minutes and I'll try to get the next batch to you
[23:15] <canthus13> ok.  :)
[23:23] <Cheri703> :( computer froze while moving images so it lost 2 of them, but it's ok :/ the better version of one of them disappeared, but it's alright I guess
[23:27] <ronnoc> hi all
[23:27] <BiosElement> Hey ronnoc
[23:27] <ronnoc> greetings from N/E Ohio. haven't been here in a while :p
[23:28] <ronnoc> BiosElement: Thx!
[23:29] <BiosElement> Heh, been busy eh?
[23:30] <ronnoc> very very. that's an understatement :/
[23:32] <BiosElement> Bah, I'm having such fun with this plugin system...
[23:32] <BiosElement> *insert sarcasm here*
[23:32] <Cheri703> nerd
[23:32] <BiosElement> Says the person at UDS >.>
[23:32] <Cheri703> true
[23:33] <ronnoc> lol
[23:34] <ronnoc> I would love to go to UDS. Opensource get togethers are a new thing to me, though I did go to camp KDE last year.
[23:34] <Cheri703> It was pretty sweet
[23:35] <ronnoc> Cheri703: I was keeping up on the blogs from the Planet feed as best I could - looked like it was =)
[23:35] <Cheri703> :)
[23:36] <BiosElement> Heh, reminds me, got a new FB page for the loco up. Still gotta mail it out to the list. >.<
[23:36] <Cheri703> canthus13: sully pics on the way
[23:37] <Cheri703> you mentioned honorary ubuntu member...the better of the pics to fulfill that got eaten, but...one survived
[23:37] <paultag> Hey BiosElement
[23:37] <BiosElement> Hey paultag
[23:37] <BiosElement> You live!
[23:37] <paultag> BiosElement: All good with the FB group?
[23:37] <paultag> BiosElement: aye! :)
[23:38] <BiosElement> paultag: Aye, all's good. Just FB makes it overly complex hah
[23:38] <paultag> Rock on. Thanks for helping make LoCoHiO rock, BiosElement :)
[23:38] <Cheri703> ronnoc: where are you located?
[23:38] <ronnoc> Cheri703: Lake Milton - between Youngstown and Akron basically
[23:38] <paultag> ronnoc: Clevelander here, where in NEO?
[23:38] <BiosElement> paultag: Of course. ^_^
[23:38] <paultag> ronnoc: Oh, nice! :)
[23:38] <paultag> ronnoc: How long are you here for?
[23:38] <Cheri703> hey paultag, lots of people mentioned you in various contexts at UDS
[23:39] <paultag> Cheri703: uh oh
[23:39] <paultag> Cheri703: good or bad?
[23:39] <ronnoc> hi paultag - here for good
[23:39] <BiosElement> Do you have to ask that question paultag? :P
[23:39] <paultag> ronnoc: rad :)
[23:39]  * Cheri703 is in mansfield
[23:39] <paultag> BiosElement: nope, usually bad :)
[23:39] <Cheri703> ...mostly good :D there was discussion of THE blog post
[23:39] <paultag> Cheri703: I hope that was productive
[23:39] <BiosElement> BTW, Have you been around Jono too much? :P
[23:39] <paultag> Cheri703: I meant it as productive
[23:40] <Cheri703> to a degree, there are two camps on "contributors"...
[23:40] <paultag> Cheri703: Wait, now I want to know, what was the bad stuff? :)
[23:40] <canthus13> Wow.  I just saw Paula Deen make crab salad... Without butter.
[23:40] <paultag> Cheri703: Oh, joy. Hummm.
[23:40] <Cheri703> jono was all over the place there
[23:41] <BiosElement> Jono's always all over the place :P
[23:41] <Cheri703> heh, probably
[23:46] <ronnoc> Cheri703: you both are not too far. Maybe an hour I'm guessing?
[23:47] <ronnoc> haven't been to Mansfield in a while :p
[23:47] <Cheri703> which side of akron are you on?
[23:47] <ronnoc> I'm between Akron and Youngstown, so like hmmm
[23:48] <Cheri703> we have a reloco here :)
[23:48] <ronnoc> 30 mins east of akron
[23:48] <Cheri703> (well, there...I'm currently at JFK airport :) )
[23:48] <ronnoc> hah. safe travels, then
[23:48] <Cheri703> ah, ok
[23:48] <Cheri703> you'd probably go to the akron one then :)
[23:49] <ronnoc> i don't mind a little travel, really. I'll go anywhere within reason =)
[23:50] <Cheri703> the flight to budapest from jfk was 9 hours, the return was 10 -_-
[23:50] <Cheri703> my tailbone hurts
[23:51] <ronnoc> ouch! did you get a slight layover between? I'd be going nuts lol
[23:52] <Cheri703> nope, cmh to jfk to bud (5ish hours at jfk) and the same back
[23:53] <Cheri703> canthus13: I will have to wait to send those pics til I'm home...tethered connection is straining under the size of the zip file :/
[23:53] <ronnoc> you'll sleep well tonight, methinks!
[23:54] <Cheri703> yeah
[23:55] <Cheri703> I heart access control on wireless tether!