| Kokito | howdy | 02:48 |
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| holstein | Kokito: o/ | 02:50 |
| Kokito | hey holstein | 02:50 |
| Kokito | day of big announcement, eh? :) | 02:56 |
| holstein | yeah :) | 02:57 |
| holstein | im stoked | 02:57 |
| holstein | some silliness though | 02:57 |
| holstein | like samba support | 02:58 |
| holstein | that that is somehow connected to the DE | 02:58 |
| holstein | but, whatever | 02:58 |
| holstein | im sure we'll win some and lose some | 02:58 |
| Kokito | there is no perfect world :) | 03:05 |
| Kokito | Sakamoto-san does make some valid points, though | 03:05 |
| holstein | sure | 03:10 |
| holstein | but, gnome2 is going away | 03:10 |
| holstein | its just a matter of when | 03:10 |
| holstein | and *if* we all decide that gnome3 and unity are not appropriate | 03:11 |
| holstein | which we seem to have decided that | 03:11 |
| holstein | then, we are really just getting prepared | 03:11 |
| holstein | for the future | 03:11 |
| Kokito | I just wonder if it would not be worth giving Unity an opportunity to evolve | 03:13 |
| holstein | sure | 03:13 |
| holstein | but, we had talked about it | 03:13 |
| holstein | and decided that we wouldnt really like that either | 03:13 |
| holstein | assuming it evolved | 03:13 |
| Kokito | I see :) | 03:14 |
| holstein | Kokito: but, i see what you mean | 03:14 |
| holstein | i think, in the long term | 03:14 |
| holstein | going to XFCE keeps things more like they are now | 03:14 |
| holstein | which is arguably more appropriate for ubuntustudio | 03:15 |
| holstein | we could always move to unity if we wanted* | 03:15 |
| Kokito | right | 03:15 |
| holstein | im really enjoying a recent dual monitor setup i got going :) | 03:16 |
| Kokito | nice! | 03:18 |
| Kokito | I read the news that 11.10 will not have a video editor by default | 03:18 |
| holstein | yeah | 03:19 |
| holstein | why should it really | 03:19 |
| holstein | is that a common needed task? | 03:19 |
| holstein | i think its kinda nice | 03:19 |
| holstein | it'll save some space on the iso though | 03:19 |
| Kokito | I think a light video editor would not hurt | 03:19 |
| Kokito | what video editors does US include? | 03:20 |
| holstein | i need to look at openshot | 03:20 |
| holstein | Kokito: thats a good question | 03:20 |
| Kokito | yeah, I was reading about it myself | 03:20 |
| holstein | i havent looked at the -video metapackage in a while | 03:20 |
| Kokito | I should install US :) | 03:20 |
| holstein | i have both | 03:21 |
| Kokito | ok, sorry, but have to go | 03:21 |
| Kokito | will probably be back online later | 03:21 |
| holstein | Kokito: laterx :) | 03:21 |
| Kokito | just finished dinner past midnight... | 08:17 |
| scott-work | new blog post for those interested: http://dullass.blogspot.com/2011/05/ubuntu-studio-moving-to-xfce.html | 13:39 |
| scott-work | TheMuso: did you manage to talk to andy yet about the -lowlatency kernel or is this too early? | 13:40 |
| scott-work | i sometimes think that kenneth who posts to the mailing list is a troll :/ | 14:44 |
| holstein | scott-work: is that ralf ? | 15:02 |
| holstein | nm | 15:03 |
| holstein | i see kenneth koym's post | 15:04 |
| holstein | scott-work: see, i think in your blog | 15:19 |
| holstein | As most reading this blog should be aware, Ubuntu has recently moved from using GNOME 2 | 15:19 |
| holstein | even that isnt true | 15:19 |
| holstein | i mean, it is | 15:19 |
| holstein | but thats not the point | 15:19 |
| holstein | gnome is moving from using gnome2 | 15:20 |
| holstein | gnome2 is EOL | 15:20 |
| scott-work | i can understand ralf's post, and you are right, i don't think he knew about gnome2 EOL and ubuntu moving away from it...that's cool :) | 15:23 |
| scott-work | holstein: ^^^ | 15:23 |
| scott-work | but i have a hard time with kenneth because he seems to be slightly "out there" with cryptic statements that border on conspiracy theories and little to base his charged or explosive statements | 15:24 |
| scott-work | granted, i engaged in a little hyperboly when describing kenneth's comments, but that's how i feel it comes across | 15:24 |
| holstein | scott-work: i asked for clarification | 15:24 |
| holstein | from kenneth | 15:25 |
| scott-work | i don't expec thim to respond (if he follows previous patterns ) | 15:25 |
| holstein | i didnt understand his statement at all | 15:25 |
| scott-work | yeah, i didn't either | 15:25 |
| scott-work | but it seems that people who write the way he does, kinda rambling without clear breaks between statements, themes, or concepts, also think that way | 15:26 |
| scott-work | and perhaps his thougths aren't all that logical (or moderted by inhibitions) either | 15:26 |
| holstein | its challenging | 15:26 |
| holstein | this is *not* the first post about xfce | 15:26 |
| holstein | and the move | 15:26 |
| holstein | the one about samba | 15:27 |
| holstein | i mean | 15:27 |
| holstein | that was well thought out | 15:27 |
| holstein | clear | 15:27 |
| holstein | to the point | 15:27 |
| holstein | a decent argument | 15:27 |
| scott-work | but even if it was the first post, most of his statements still do not hold water | 15:27 |
| holstein | i didt like that either since buntu in general should all have the same samba | 15:27 |
| holstein | and ability to use samba | 15:27 |
| holstein | still, i understand that post | 15:28 |
| scott-work | holstein: oh yeah, there have been some great posts in this thread (and not just the one's who say it's a good idea ;P ) and have been backed by solid arguements or descriptive feelings/understandings | 15:28 |
| holstein | the default applications argument | 15:28 |
| holstein | its the FUD though | 15:28 |
| holstein | looks like ralf got home from work | 15:29 |
| holstein | and just started firing off at each comment ;) | 15:29 |
| scott-work | while i think that certain concerns were valid earlier over kde apps rendering well in gnome and gnome rendering well in xfce might have been true in the past, i do not believe it is the same anymore | 15:29 |
| scott-work | holstein: LOL, yeah | 15:29 |
| holstein | scott-work: also, the change from KDE to KDE4 is not in any way similar to the change from gnome2 to gnome3 | 15:30 |
| scott-work | some has posited that i might be in terms of usability | 15:30 |
| scott-work | that is, it would lack usability because some (most?) functionality was broken | 15:31 |
| scott-work | but i don't think this will be the case | 15:31 |
| holstein | LXDE is like gnome-light :) | 15:31 |
| scott-work | my understanding is the kde4 really, really was broken for a majority of items...some accused it of being a developer release rather than a full blown release | 15:32 |
| scott-work | s/the/that | 15:32 |
| holstein | totally | 15:32 |
| holstein | im more thinking now | 15:32 |
| scott-work | i've played around with kde4 lately and i think since 4.6 they really have gotten things together | 15:32 |
| holstein | when its stable | 15:32 |
| holstein | compating KDE4.6 with KDE3 | 15:32 |
| scott-work | holstein: regarding LXDE...i've tried a few distros with it and i find it ugly | 15:33 |
| holstein | comparing* | 15:33 |
| scott-work | i think xfce has a very simple elegence compared to lxde | 15:33 |
| holstein | you could say KDE is a prettier, newer version of KDE | 15:33 |
| holstein | whereas gnome3 | 15:33 |
| holstein | thats a workflow change | 15:33 |
| holstein | from gnome2 | 15:34 |
| holstein | anyways... | 15:34 |
| scott-work | i know you like lxde and i'm not trying to be mean, but lxde just isn't me :P | 15:34 |
| holstein | yeah, LXDE is nice and light | 15:34 |
| holstein | but i think XFCE is much more polished in everyway | 15:34 |
| scott-work | i find gnome3 much closer to supporting an audio workflow than unity | 15:34 |
| scott-work | i simply do not enjoy navigating the desktop with unity....at all | 15:34 |
| holstein | i heard jono's interview on the linux action show | 15:34 |
| holstein | in defending unity | 15:35 |
| scott-work | if i kept both hands on the keyboard at all times then it would be as big a deal | 15:35 |
| holstein | personally, i think unity *is* great | 15:35 |
| scott-work | screw jono, he's got to carry the company line in this | 15:35 |
| holstein | and i think what the buntu team did in the short amount of time is awesome | 15:35 |
| holstein | but, i have to agree with lunduke | 15:35 |
| scott-work | now if someone from fedora was defending unity, that would be something :) | 15:35 |
| holstein | why not just customize gnome3? | 15:35 |
| holstein | scott-work: hehe | 15:36 |
| scott-work | oh yeah, the team made awesome progress in the short time | 15:36 |
| scott-work | but to me it does seem to be a bit of gnome3-lite | 15:36 |
| scott-work | but i think the important issue is that unity (and ubuntu) will be moving to wayland | 15:36 |
| holstein | as customizations get added | 15:36 |
| holstein | i think it will seem more full-featured | 15:36 |
| scott-work | and i don't think gnome3 is ready to do that...perhaps i'm wrong though | 15:37 |
| holstein | yeah, everybody will eventually go to wayland | 15:37 |
| scott-work | i wouldn't be surprised though, if the delta between gnome3 and unity decreases over time | 15:37 |
| scott-work | gnome3 has some great functionaly that unity doesn't have now and i can't see them not incorporating these things over time | 15:37 |
| scott-work | again, i think gnome3 more closely supports our desired work flow better than unity | 15:39 |
| holstein | i think, if unity wasnt happening though | 15:39 |
| holstein | and ubuntu was running gnome3 | 15:39 |
| holstein | we would still be talking about and moving to XFCE | 15:39 |
| scott-work | qutie possibly | 15:40 |
| scott-work | i've been giving some serious thought to various things: the purpose of ubuntu studio, who we support, how long will i be lead | 15:40 |
| scott-work | i think ubuntu studio shouldn't make ground breaking changes like ubuntu did with unity | 15:40 |
| scott-work | i think our palce is to provide a stable environment for users to create art | 15:41 |
| holstein | agreed | 15:41 |
| scott-work | i don't even like some of the small, minor changes between each release | 15:41 |
| holstein | even some of the ML questions | 15:41 |
| holstein | like samba | 15:41 |
| scott-work | yeah | 15:41 |
| holstein | im a bit like 'who cares' | 15:41 |
| holstein | thats not what US is about | 15:41 |
| scott-work | why should i HAVE to relearn my desktop each six months because something stupid changed | 15:41 |
| holstein | as long as we have the official repos, which we have to do | 15:41 |
| scott-work | but then again, that's why i've been rocking the LTS version mostly | 15:41 |
| holstein | then, folkds can get whatever they want going on easy enough | 15:42 |
| scott-work | i'm defintely going to do a blog post about my feelings in this regard | 15:42 |
| scott-work | eventually :P | 15:42 |
| holstein | scott-work: yeah, i thought about responding to that | 15:42 |
| holstein | since, i am running 10.04 | 15:42 |
| holstein | as well | 15:42 |
| scott-work | but | 15:42 |
| holstein | and am still not considering moving my production machine yet | 15:42 |
| holstein | however, testing and preparing for 12.04 | 15:43 |
| holstein | thats important | 15:43 |
| scott-work | yeah, me too...i've already backed up stuff and should install natty this weekend | 15:43 |
| holstein | and we have a lot of work to do | 15:43 |
| scott-work | oh, i misread what you said | 15:43 |
| holstein | yeah, i have testing boxes | 15:43 |
| scott-work | i thought you said you WERE going to move your production box | 15:43 |
| holstein | that i'll run 11.10 on | 15:43 |
| holstein | ASAP | 15:43 |
| scott-work | for what i do i feel comfortable moving to 11.04 | 15:44 |
| holstein | yeah, thats just my decision | 15:44 |
| holstein | i dont feel like its 'unstable' really | 15:44 |
| scott-work | i belive 11.04 provides significant improvements although some may be considered trivial | 15:44 |
| holstein | its more just being comfortable with the packages | 15:44 |
| holstein | and how it works | 15:44 |
| scott-work | yeah, i understand | 15:44 |
| scott-work | but if we openly declared that each release would be wild and varied and MIGHT NOT WORK and would have the latest, crazy shit... | 15:45 |
| scott-work | BUT, would keep the LTS very, very stable and sane | 15:45 |
| holstein | hehe | 15:45 |
| scott-work | then i could see people being more open to things | 15:45 |
| holstein | jono talked about that | 15:45 |
| holstein | for the main release | 15:45 |
| holstein | how thats not really clear | 15:46 |
| scott-work | and i wouldn't feel that we needed to be stable, and consistent, and stable for the users | 15:46 |
| holstein | whats the difference in the LTS's and non LTS's | 15:46 |
| holstein | they are not really 'testing' releases | 15:46 |
| holstein | and not reall 'stable' either | 15:46 |
| scott-work | sort of like development relelases i guess | 15:46 |
| holstein | he was implying that the higher-ups were trying to sort that out | 15:46 |
| holstein | and make it more clear | 15:46 |
| holstein | i mean, to a normal user | 15:47 |
| scott-work | where is this interview? i think i'd like to listen to it | 15:47 |
| holstein | or someone running OSX or win | 15:47 |
| holstein | its just *not* possible to communicate what these different releases are | 15:47 |
| * holstein looking | 15:47 | |
| scott-work | but the system of LTS every two years is a bit of a detraction to me | 15:48 |
| scott-work | things change SOOO much during that time | 15:48 |
| scott-work | desktops get sexier, better looking, providing more functionality and performance | 15:48 |
| scott-work | in the corporate world i guess it wouldn't matter as much | 15:48 |
| scott-work | but i stayed with hardy until lucid was ready | 15:49 |
| holstein | http://www.jupiterbroadcasting.com/7902/jono-talks-natty/ | 15:49 |
| scott-work | and holy shit it was a change | 15:49 |
| holstein | yeah, i feel like i need to keep my finger on the pulse | 15:49 |
| holstein | and see whats changing along the way | 15:49 |
| holstein | hardy to lucid | 15:50 |
| scott-work | ew, it's an hour long video...i'll save the link and listen to it later since i'm leaving work soon | 15:50 |
| holstein | thats quite a change | 15:50 |
| holstein | scott-work: i get the audio version | 15:50 |
| holstein | on my droid | 15:50 |
| holstein | jono had better respond to my email soon ;) | 15:51 |
| scott-work | i'll see if i can get it on freedom hating itunes | 15:51 |
| scott-work | call him out in other places :P | 15:51 |
| holstein | he says a couple times 'i dont care what people use as long as its open' | 15:51 |
| scott-work | i should even blog about it too :) | 15:51 |
| holstein | im going to keep my eye on the prize though | 15:51 |
| holstein | i just want him to help US | 15:51 |
| holstein | however | 15:51 |
| scott-work | downloading it now on my freedome hating iphone | 15:52 |
| holstein | he's too high profile in music *not* to be talking about US | 15:52 |
| scott-work | i agree wholeheartedly | 15:52 |
| holstein | breakfast.. BB | 15:53 |
| scott-work | i'm leaving work in five minutes as well :) | 15:55 |
| ScottL | i'm not responding to kenneth anymore regarding this matter | 17:46 |
| ScottL | oh, and thanks holstein for the link to that interview with jono, he should have been doing this sort of thing before | 17:47 |
| ScottL | holstein, maybe we should up the intensity on jono for using non-free applications for audio AND not even offering suggestions to us | 18:11 |
| ScottL | that interview (which i haven't finished) seemed to want to give him a hard time with his mixer and i thought... | 18:12 |
| ScottL | what if many people blogged questioning him about what he does without offering suggestions for improvements | 18:12 |
| ScottL | what if podcasts discussed it too | 18:12 |
| ScottL | what if enough people emailed him asking him about it | 18:12 |
| ScottL | would it build enough momentum to publicly force him to do something? | 18:13 |
| holstein | ScottL: thats the problem though | 19:12 |
| holstein | he has been asked about using open solutions for audio production | 19:13 |
| holstein | and said that its not up to par | 19:13 |
| holstein | and thats not cool | 19:13 |
| holstein | i dont necessarily feel like jono does | 19:13 |
| holstein | where, i dont care as long as people use open tools | 19:13 |
| holstein | i think folks should use what works for them | 19:13 |
| holstein | even jono | 19:13 |
| holstein | BUT, by saying its not up to par | 19:13 |
| holstein | thats bad | 19:13 |
| holstein | i equate that to his uphill battle | 19:14 |
| holstein | selling folks on ubuntu desktop use | 19:14 |
| holstein | and getting the normal 'its not up to par because of MS integration' | 19:14 |
| holstein | or whatever | 19:14 |
| holstein | which, we all know is not true | 19:14 |
| holstein | BUT | 19:14 |
| holstein | at the same time | 19:14 |
| holstein | if you are a desktop user in a community that used .doc's | 19:15 |
| holstein | you need MS office to have the easiest and most compatible experience | 19:15 |
| holstein | and thats fine | 19:15 |
| ScottL | but if he would at least offer suggestions where it is deficient then at least he's helping | 19:15 |
| holstein | BUT, its one of jono's jobs to change that viewpoint | 19:15 |
| holstein | ScottL: exactly | 19:15 |
| holstein | a person of his community envolvment | 19:16 |
| holstein | he could actually get things fixed | 19:16 |
| holstein | i see he is hiring a developer | 19:16 |
| holstein | thats all i want | 19:16 |
| holstein | i want jono to help us get to a higher profile | 19:16 |
| ScottL | right, so we overwhelm him with peer pressure to do _something_ to help | 19:16 |
| holstein | so we can have a full time cannonical paid studio dev | 19:16 |
| holstein | ScottL: thats what i wish he had done | 19:16 |
| holstein | instead of just saying 'this doesnt work' | 19:17 |
| holstein | i mean, thats what linux desktop was like when he got on the scene | 19:17 |
| holstein | and he has arguably been one of the bigger players in helping change that public view | 19:17 |
| holstein | and, for a high profile member like him | 19:18 |
| holstein | i am thinking strongly, if you're not part of the solution, you are part of the problem | 19:18 |
| holstein | by saying linux audio is not up to par | 19:18 |
| holstein | that directly effects ubuntustudio | 19:18 |
| Kokito | did my friend Jono get in trouble again? :P | 19:18 |
| holstein | and the public view of it | 19:18 |
| holstein | Kokito: not yet :) | 19:18 |
| Kokito | oh, so the best is yet to come, eh? :) | 19:19 |
| holstein | Kokito: we'll see | 19:19 |
| holstein | i have an email-plea out to him | 19:19 |
| holstein | Kokito: i have decided we need his help | 19:19 |
| Kokito | in what way? | 19:20 |
| holstein | building community | 19:20 |
| holstein | really just what he's good at | 19:20 |
| holstein | just carry that over to ubuntustudio | 19:20 |
| holstein | and not help spread the FUD about linux audio not being capable | 19:20 |
| Kokito | ic | 19:21 |
| holstein | Kokito: if you guys are friends, ask him if he got my email :) | 19:22 |
| holstein | i tried to catch him in a /query first | 19:22 |
| holstein | but he was busy | 19:22 |
| holstein | and then.. UDS | 19:22 |
| holstein | i know he's a busy guy | 19:22 |
| holstein | but, we need him | 19:22 |
| Kokito | met him a couple of times, but not really friends | 19:22 |
| ScottL | hi Kokito , do you want to do a ubuntu studio newletter? | 19:22 |
| holstein | ScottL: i think we handled this XFCE thing wrong | 19:23 |
| holstein | now that i think about it | 19:23 |
| Kokito | ScottL: could help with the editing, but I do not know about US nor its use cases enough to write anything useful | 19:23 |
| ScottL | holstein, you mean my emails to kenneth :P | 19:23 |
| holstein | we should have made the fact more clear that gnome2 is EOL | 19:23 |
| holstein | i think kenneth and others think we are just changing | 19:23 |
| ScottL | Kokito, there really isn't a newsletter at this point | 19:23 |
| holstein | for the hell of it | 19:23 |
| ScottL | but holstein that's why i pointed out my blog for the reasons | 19:24 |
| holstein | ScottL: OH, i hear you | 19:24 |
| holstein | its like theres a carbon-monoxide leak in the ML | 19:24 |
| Kokito | ScottL: if you want to start one, you will need people to write the content; I can't be one of them. | 19:25 |
| holstein | maybe a blogspot blog | 19:25 |
| holstein | and we can post to it | 19:25 |
| Kokito | ScottL: I think we should try to use the website as a vehicle for newsletter-like content | 19:25 |
| holstein | Kokito: yeah | 19:25 |
| holstein | you're right | 19:26 |
| holstein | the site should just have that functionality | 19:26 |
| ScottL | Kokito, no, i agree with that...i'm just kinda messing around anyway, i was hoping you would say "yeah, that's what i've always wanted to do and i already started one" | 19:26 |
| Kokito | heh | 19:26 |
| ScottL | i would seriously like other contributors to ubuntu studio to be able to post at the new website in certain areas for updates and thoughts | 19:26 |
| ScottL | ailo_'s testing of the kernels would have been a good deal | 19:27 |
| ScottL | get that infomration out there | 19:27 |
| ScottL | like gnome2 EOL | 19:27 |
| holstein | yeah | 19:27 |
| holstein | i mean | 19:27 |
| holstein | i feel like it was clear | 19:27 |
| holstein | but, maybe not clear enough | 19:27 |
| holstein | we should have had it really clear like that | 19:27 |
| Kokito | ScottL: to open up the website for broader collaboration is technically feasible (and desirable IMHO) | 19:27 |
| holstein | gnome2 is going away | 19:28 |
| ScottL | but i will say that cory could have started the post clearer with some simple facts, but he asked me to proof read it as well and i failed to note that | 19:28 |
| holstein | period | 19:28 |
| holstein | SO, we are... | 19:28 |
| holstein | ScottL: i think, in light of the information | 19:28 |
| holstein | its clear | 19:28 |
| holstein | i just assume that folks are in the know | 19:28 |
| holstein | and they are not | 19:28 |
| holstein | if you're not in the IRC | 19:28 |
| ScottL | well i thought my blog post clearly outlined the logic behind the move, but perhaps i'm too close, did it make sense to you guys? | 19:28 |
| holstein | i feel like some of the news slips by | 19:28 |
| holstein | ScottL: i thought it was crystal | 19:29 |
| holstein | your post | 19:29 |
| holstein | but, whatever | 19:29 |
| Kokito | I have a question: since US is moving to XFCE, does that mean that it will be based on XUBUNTU? | 19:29 |
| holstein | again, we are not going to please everyone | 19:29 |
| holstein | however | 19:29 |
| holstein | the comments are like 'keep gnome you idiots' | 19:29 |
| ScottL | Kokito, no, we will just replace the gnome-panel packages with xfce ones | 19:29 |
| holstein | and the one time i have aske for clarification | 19:29 |
| Kokito | ScottL: I see, thanks | 19:29 |
| holstein | from ralph | 19:29 |
| holstein | he didnt know gnome2 was EOL | 19:30 |
| holstein | or, what gnome3 was | 19:30 |
| Kokito | ScottL: do we have access to the existing website stats? | 19:31 |
| ScottL | holstein, this has been a consistent problem with communication around ubuntu studio | 19:31 |
| ScottL | Kokito, not that i am aware, others might know like ckontros or jussi or themuse or persia | 19:31 |
| holstein | yeah, its challenging to plan for all the opinions | 19:32 |
| ScottL | holstein, to quesh ignorance or misunderstanding i have had to consistently repeat statements | 19:32 |
| holstein | and i think, i expect a certain amount of education to occur | 19:32 |
| holstein | self-education | 19:32 |
| ScottL | but perhaps it's a systemic problem holstein | 19:32 |
| Kokito | ScottL: are these people that you mention (ckontros, jussi, themuse, etc.) MIA? | 19:32 |
| holstein | and thats not right i suppose | 19:32 |
| holstein | i mean, the one guy said 'whats XFCE' | 19:32 |
| holstein | i valid question | 19:32 |
| holstein | but, i would expect someone to just google it | 19:32 |
| holstein | and read | 19:32 |
| ScottL | holstein, Kokito , if we had the new website up and going and we consistently post news to it then we could THEN expect our users to dervie information ffrom there | 19:32 |
| ScottL | Kokito, ckontros is cory kontrols who has been around more and more lately, but the others are involved, but peripherally generally | 19:33 |
| holstein | i think part of this early adoption is that we *could* jump back to unity | 19:33 |
| ScottL | in some cases they get directly involved, but those are special occassions | 19:33 |
| holstein | in theory | 19:33 |
| holstein | before 12.04 | 19:33 |
| holstein | well, not back to unity, but you know... | 19:34 |
| ScottL | holstein, i'm using unity right now and i don't like it, but i force myself to keep using it to become familiar with it (not because i think i've been bad and need to be punished) | 19:34 |
| jussi | can someone briefly tell e what you want to know so I dont have to read scroll back right now? | 19:34 |
| ScottL | jussi, Kokito was asking about stats for the existing website (ubuntustudion.org) | 19:34 |
| ScottL | jussi, Kokito is helping update to a new website and is doing wonderful things :) | 19:35 |
| jussi | I think I have made it fairly clear that I am not really active, Im not MIA, but backing off to do other stuff | 19:35 |
| Kokito | hi jussi | 19:35 |
| jussi | I know not much about the status of the website. | 19:35 |
| ScottL | holstein, but if we make the website with a news section and we keep posting continual information then i would expect the users to keep up with it and be more knowledgeable | 19:40 |
| holstein | right | 19:40 |
| holstein | BUT, i dont think we can expect anything | 19:40 |
| holstein | i mean, im the same way | 19:41 |
| holstein | or was at least* | 19:41 |
| holstein | i think folks assume theres a big team somewhere | 19:41 |
| ScottL | yeah, they think that ubuntu studio is an operating unto itself and a well paid and highly mobilized team is working it | 19:41 |
| ScottL | interesting, and not unreleatedly, i found out that the xubuntu team is not quite as robust as i imagined as well, apparently most of the packages come from debian | 19:42 |
| ScottL | other than just the settings, plymouth theme, etc | 19:42 |
| ScottL | which is very similar to us ;) | 19:43 |
| holstein | yeah | 19:43 |
| holstein | i think it could be mutually benificial | 19:43 |
| Kokito | ScottL: the fact that US is a volunteer based initiative can be articulated in the new website in a more prominent way | 19:44 |
| holstein | OR, i get loud | 19:44 |
| holstein | and get us some funds for a dev | 19:44 |
| holstein | or dev team :) | 19:44 |
| holstein | i dont want to lose the control we have though | 19:45 |
| holstein | ScottL: i wouldnt want it to be taken over | 19:45 |
| holstein | it would be nice to have someone chewing on backports | 19:45 |
| holstein | and kernel maintaining | 19:45 |
| holstein | fixing packages | 19:45 |
| holstein | or some heavy lifting rewriting packages for US | 19:46 |
| holstein | it would be great if something died | 19:46 |
| holstein | and we could fork it | 19:46 |
| holstein | and have an ubuntustudio maintained pacakge | 19:46 |
| ScottL | hi troy_s | 19:48 |
| ScottL | i'm going to start blogging more and being a little more ruthless about what i post i fear | 19:48 |
| holstein | ScottL: good :) | 19:48 |
| ScottL | holstein, what would you have die? | 19:49 |
| holstein | ScottL: well, i didnt mean that the way it sounds | 19:49 |
| holstein | i just meant | 19:49 |
| holstein | *if* something died off | 19:50 |
| holstein | like a plugin | 19:50 |
| holstein | or soemthing handy | 19:50 |
| holstein | if we had the resources to maintain it | 19:50 |
| holstein | in house | 19:50 |
| holstein | it would be good for us to be contributing like that | 19:50 |
| holstein | AND, folks would notice i think | 19:50 |
| ScottL | oh, i got you, not to be replaced but to be fixed, i'm with you again | 19:51 |
| ScottL | reaching out to other distributions to help would be good | 19:51 |
| troy_s | ScottL: Greetings. | 19:51 |
| ScottL | argh, mark shuttleworth keeps hacking into my computer and making it lock up | 20:27 |
| holstein | hehe | 20:28 |
| holstein | hes like that | 20:28 |
| holstein | ScottL: im serious | 20:38 |
| holstein | a carbon-monoxide leak | 20:38 |
| holstein | another 'why change? gnome is great' message | 20:38 |
| holstein | to that same thread | 20:38 |
| ScottL | yeah, i saw that and responded | 20:39 |
| ScottL | i almost said "did you read anything above?" | 20:39 |
| holstein | yeah, me too | 20:39 |
| holstein | ;p | 20:39 |
| holstein | im starting to feel like i might need to unsubscribe | 20:40 |
| ScottL | heh, yeah it's kinda draining and makes me want to choke something | 20:49 |
| astraljava | Haven't read mail in a couple of hours, still debating about the switch to XFCE? | 20:50 |
| holstein | astraljava: well, we arent debating really | 20:57 |
| holstein | we are moving | 20:57 |
| holstein | we're just getting some rather off the wall statememts | 20:57 |
| astraljava | holstein: Yea sorry, wrong term. Complaining? :) | 20:57 |
| holstein | like "why are you switching DE's" | 20:57 |
| holstein | astraljava: complaining to uninformed FUD creation | 20:58 |
| astraljava | Yuppers, reading the mail now. *rolls eyes* | 20:58 |
| holstein | astraljava: i just visited the fluxbuntu site | 21:45 |
| holstein | :/ | 21:45 |
| holstein | i see thats still held up in whatever | 21:45 |
| holstein | too bad | 21:45 |
| holstein | i had to let some things go | 21:45 |
| holstein | i feel like i can grind an axe for ubuntustudio | 21:45 |
| holstein | and thats about it | 21:45 |
| astraljava | holstein: Yeah we dropped the ball, once again. | 21:55 |
| astraljava | There's some interesting talk going on, though. | 21:55 |
| astraljava | Wonder if we could pull that through, might really breath some life into the project. | 21:56 |
| astraljava | breathe* | 21:56 |
| raboof | gnome-panel will be retired along with the rest of gnome2? even though I don't really run gnome, i thought that was one of the nicest panels around :( | 23:40 |
| raboof | awn is pretty nice, but has some elements that make it not play nice with my windowmanager of choice (notion) | 23:42 |
| ailo_ | As long as I can choose what desktop system I can use, I don't care | 23:55 |
| ailo_ | Ubuntu Studio could be added in part to any Ubuntu derived distro | 23:57 |
| astraljava | ailo_: That's, quite amusingly, the exact reasoning as to why I sometimes wonder why we're actually providing an install .iso in the first place. :) | 23:59 |
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