[01:56] <DarkwingDuck> Hey JontheEchidna 
[01:56] <JontheEchidna> hello
[01:57] <DarkwingDuck> hows the transition back to normality?
[01:59] <JontheEchidna> well, it's the weekend and I am now doing normal weekend things, so pretty ok I suppose
[02:01] <DarkwingDuck> :) That's about where I'm at.
[02:01] <DarkwingDuck> I tossed the email today for council
[02:05] <JontheEchidna> cool, good luck
[02:05] <DarkwingDuck> :) Up to the members to vote :)
[02:23] <ScottK> apachelogger: Great.
[02:24]  * ScottK just got home.
[08:14] <bambee> morning
[09:10] <bambee> OH MY.... we cannot generate code from a kcfg in python ? o_O
[09:16] <bambee> well, I found this tool http://gitorious.net/pykconfigcompiler. But there is any support on upstream...
[09:18] <bambee> ooh I found
[09:18] <bambee> http://quickgit.kde.org/?p=scratch%2Fmalcorps%2Fpykconfigcompiler.git&a=summary
[09:19] <bambee> however, It's in scratch...
[09:38] <apachelogger> pyth0rn ftw!
[09:38] <bambee> so If I move kcm-userconfig into kdereview, it will depend on a project which is in scratch... lovely o_O
[09:38] <apachelogger> then you might as well not move to kdereview as that is a showstopper
[09:40] <bambee> http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-core-devel&m=130467628126714&w=2
[09:40] <bambee> that's not what christoph said
[09:41] <valorie> how was everybody's journey home?
[09:42] <valorie> and how was your sister's wedding, apachelogger?
[09:45] <apachelogger> valorie: that is before DS
[09:45] <apachelogger> bambee: "If it has matured, it can be 
[09:45] <apachelogger> moved to kdereview."
[09:46] <apachelogger> if your code depends on code that is essentially non-existant from a maintenance POV, then it is not mature
[09:47] <apachelogger> I mean, if you target extragear that *might* be fine
[09:48] <apachelogger> but since the plan is to get userconfig to KDE you'd be bound by its release policy, thus the depended-upon thing also is bound by the release policy of KDE
[09:48] <bambee> apachelogger: that's I said it will depend on code that is in scratch... so move my code into kdereview is not possible
[09:48] <apachelogger> or the other way around really ^^
[09:48] <apachelogger> you cannot release KDE with broken software ^^
[09:49] <apachelogger> bambee: yeah, port to c++ :P
[09:53] <bambee> apachelogger: don't tempt me, I am frustrated :P
[10:02] <apachelogger> awww
[10:02]  * Hobbsee waves
[10:02]  * apachelogger hugs bambee and tries not to let a "told ya" slip out :P
[10:02]  * Hobbsee is installing kubuntu-desktop again.  Looks shiny!
[10:03] <apachelogger> uhhh, Hobbsee!
[10:03]  * apachelogger hugs Hobbsee
[10:03] <apachelogger> hellos
[10:03] <Hobbsee> hey apachelogger :)
[10:03]  * Hobbsee hugs back
[10:05] <apachelogger> Hobbsee: how are you?
[10:06] <Hobbsee> apachelogger: pretty good :)
[10:06] <Hobbsee> you?
[10:06] <apachelogger> insanely tired from UDS :D
[10:06] <Hobbsee> hehe, sounds normal
[10:06] <Hobbsee> but not ubuflu'd?
[10:08] <jussi> Hobbsee: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[10:08] <jussi> how you doing? hows married life treating you?
[10:08] <apachelogger> Hobbsee: no, never ever had that :P
[10:09]  * apachelogger is one of the special few people that can sustain speed even after UDS :P
[10:09] <apachelogger> valorie was quite shocked I believe
[10:10]  * apachelogger wonders why it seems impossible for launchpad to send out mails that are easily filterable in gmail
[10:11] <valorie> apachelogger is indeed made of iron
[10:11] <valorie> very swift iron
[10:11] <valorie> hi Hobbsee, nice to see you over here
[10:18] <bambee> apachelogger: rhaaaa :P
[10:24] <bambee> apachelogger: I never said you was wrong, I just say it's too long to rewrite it completly in cpp, If  all of the planned features must be done for oneiric... (keep in mind that I am alone on this project). Also the eternal question: why completly rewrite a working software?
[10:28] <apachelogger> bambee: social reasons, maintenance reasons, requirements reasons, dependency reasons... :P
[10:29] <bambee> right
[10:33] <apachelogger> bambee: I am not saying it makes the most sense to do it, but there are certainly advantages from eliminating the python parts from the dependency stack
[10:33] <apachelogger> and not because it is python, but because they add an intermediate layer between the c++ technology of kde/qt and the application
[10:34] <apachelogger> whether the advantages from using python outweigh this is a question the maintainer has to answer :P
[10:36] <bambee> the software was originally written in python, so it's not my own decision
[10:38] <apachelogger> bambee: since you are the one maintaining it, it is IMHO
[10:44] <apachelogger> ulysses: ping
[10:44] <bambee> apachelogger: pykde restricts some features that I would add to userconfig... (like kauth and kcfg) , it's a good argument. The problem is, I am not sure to have time enough to rewrite it completly for oneiric. Also rewrite it reduces the maturity implicitly...
[10:45] <apachelogger> bambee: if you manage to rewrite it for annoy-rick then we are good for LTS and that is what I care about in terms of maturity at this point
[10:45] <apachelogger> another option would be to have the python version in one-eye-rick, but then I do not see the cpp version going into LTS exactly because of maturity
[10:45] <apachelogger> bambee: what if you had more developers?
[10:47] <apachelogger> maco: that accessibility mail is tldr;
[10:48] <apachelogger> shortcuts are a tricky thing, the less you have global the better
[10:49] <bambee> if some developers help me, it's possible, I think.
[10:49] <apachelogger> valorie: ping
[10:49] <valorie> apachelogger: pong
[10:49] <valorie> now we're playing table tennis!
[10:50] <apachelogger> bambee: you think? :D
[10:51] <bambee> tsss :P
[10:53] <apachelogger> rdieter: ping, does fedora have interest and cpp programmer resources to rewrite python user management software to cpp for inclusion in kde?
[10:57] <Hobbsee> hey jussi, valorie 
[11:00] <valorie> argh, 3am
[11:01] <valorie> I need to shut down IRC or I'll never go to bed!
[11:01] <valorie> niters all
[12:08] <Quintasan> !@$#%^$#^
[12:08] <Quintasan> apachelogger: ping
[12:08] <apachelogger> Quintasan: pogo
[12:08] <apachelogger> Quintasan: I need your minion ^^
[12:08] <Quintasan> oh
[12:09] <Quintasan> Let me handle that after I have my Sundayish family dinner
[12:09] <apachelogger> sure
[12:11] <apachelogger> Quintasan: why did you ping?
[12:12] <apachelogger> Nightrose: do you have time to pre-screen a blog post?
[12:12] <Quintasan> apachelogger: because you wanted something from me and I had no idea what could it be at that time
[12:12] <Nightrose> apachelogger: how long?
[12:12] <apachelogger> Quintasan: I think it was about your minon :)
[12:12] <apachelogger> Nightrose: rather short
[12:12] <Nightrose> ok
[12:14] <Quintasan> apachelogger: what do you exactly want from my minion?
[12:14] <apachelogger> to write a kio slave for dlna using libdlna
[12:16] <Quintasan> one has the skills but no time
[12:16] <Quintasan> let me ask the rest
[12:17]  * bambee is also looking for a minion, to programme in userconfig :P
[12:18]  * bambee returns to his family dinner
[12:19] <Nightrose> bambee: i might have a spare season of kde student if you are willing to mentor
[12:20] <Nightrose> ^ same for any other nice project people are willing to mentor
[12:21] <bambee> Nightrose: unfortunately I cannot, I am doing an internship :(
[12:22] <Nightrose> ok
[12:22] <bambee> I've no time enough to mentor someone all the time
[13:18] <debfx> ScottK: why does quassel conflict with quassel-core? that seem unnecessary
[13:21] <debfx> apachelogger: kubuntu council elections are every year
[13:23] <apachelogger> oh true
[13:27] <tsimpson> debfx: because the "quassel" package is client and core maybe, if you have quassel-core, you probably want quassel-client instead
[13:31] <yofel> well, "quassel" is the monolithic client which has the core integrated
[13:31] <yofel> *If* they don't share the same database it shouldn't be a problem to have both installed
[13:32] <yofel> (except confusing people)
[13:32] <debfx> tsimpson: that's not a reason to make them conflict
[13:36] <debfx> they don't share the same database, quassel-core is a daemon that runs in its own user
[13:38] <apachelogger> it might not be necessary any more
[13:39] <apachelogger> IIRC quasselcore and quassel caused weird issues, though back in the days quasselcore was not entirely separated (config and data wise)
[13:54] <Quintasan> ScottK: ping
[14:01] <ScottK> Quintasan: pong
[14:02] <Quintasan> ScottK: What is the most simple app like sendmail? I need to make caff somehow send the signed keys and sendmail is not even trying to help me :/
[14:02] <ScottK> debfx: When they were made to conflict, IIRC, it was actually necessary.  
[14:02] <ScottK> Quintasan: Sendmail is approximately the most complicated choice you could possibly choose.
[14:03] <ScottK> Quintasan: I find postfix quite easy to set up for this, but I'm also used to it.  That would be my suggestion, but I'm sure there are simpler ones that I'm not aware of.
[14:03] <Quintasan> cool, I'd google for gmail relay for postfix then
[14:03] <Quintasan> Thanks
[14:04] <debfx> ScottK: ok, I'll remove it then
[14:04] <ScottK> Quintasan: That's a reasonably common setup, so there should be how-to's on it.
[14:37] <Quintasan> :/
[14:37]  * Quintasan is wondering what the hell is he doing wrong
[14:53]  * Quintasan imported all signed copies of his keys but they Signer name does not appear
[14:53] <Quintasan> no matter what I do
[15:10] <debfx> ScottK: the last two quassel versions aren't in the bzr repository
[15:11] <shadeslayer> valorie: well .... i needed a PandaBoard because it has WLAN ....
[15:11] <shadeslayer> and dual processors :P
[15:12] <shadeslayer> PandaBoard is the next iteration of BeagleBoard with loads of improvement actually
[15:13] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: do you think KDE will run properly with 512 MB
[15:13] <shadeslayer> *MB
[15:13] <shadeslayer> erm
[15:13] <shadeslayer> *MB's of RAm
[15:13] <shadeslayer> keyboard fail
[15:14] <bambee> shadeslayer: the pandaboard has not 1GB ?
[15:14] <shadeslayer> yes
[15:14] <shadeslayer> bambee: bb has 512megs
[15:14] <bambee> aaah
[15:14] <bambee> bb
[15:14] <bambee> ok
[15:14] <bambee> :)
[15:14] <shadeslayer> no point in asking for one if i can't run KDE on 512 MB of RAM :P
[15:15] <bambee> I've 512MB of RAM on my toshiba ac100, it's a bit slow but it works :)
[15:15] <shadeslayer> do you have kool graphics and stuff?
[15:15] <bambee> I tested only with plasma netbook, I suppose it's better with plasma active
[15:15] <shadeslayer> hmm
[15:15] <shadeslayer> probably
[15:16] <shadeslayer> but still no WLAN module :(
[15:16] <bambee> ac100 is very very experimental actually, 3d effects don't work yet :\
[15:16] <shadeslayer> ah
[15:17] <shadeslayer> the problem is that i'm getting a pb for twice the price here
[15:17] <shadeslayer> costs ~7000 INR in the US and they're selling it for ~14000 INR here
[16:44]  * apachelogger sings about headaches and ballmer's peaks and stuff
[16:44] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I shall blog me answ0r
[16:48] <apachelogger> also I shall sing so everyone loves me
[16:48] <apachelogger> row row row ye boat gently down the stream
[16:48] <apachelogger> and if you see a one-eye'd-rick dont forget to scream
[17:18] <apachelogger> ScottK: the workspace switcher breaks krunner
[17:18] <apachelogger> when switching to netbook
[17:18] <apachelogger> I have no idea why upstream thinks that one needs no krunner when plasma netbook is used, but I very much think it sucks
[17:24] <JontheEchidna> debfx: http://i.imgur.com/XY7i8.png building a new house and I saw this outside
[17:25] <JontheEchidna> 3 creepers plus a zombie
[17:25] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: which answer?
[17:25] <apachelogger> 42
[17:25] <shadeslayer> sure
[17:26] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: Kubuntu on a beagleboard sound interesting?
[17:26] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: i don't see shit
[17:26] <apachelogger> perhaps
[17:27] <debfx> JontheEchidna: heh, the zombies are harmless but creeper freak me out
[17:27] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: or would you rather have Kubuntu on a pandaboard?
[17:28] <JontheEchidna> eff: http://i.imgur.com/PyieD.png
[17:28] <apachelogger> perhaps
[17:28] <shadeslayer> lol
[17:28] <JontheEchidna> (creepers explode)
[17:29]  * apachelogger wonders whether his laptop is back from dell service yet
[17:29] <apachelogger> I rather need me kernel sources
[17:30] <JontheEchidna> behoild, intel graphics drivers: http://i.imgur.com/aMjVB.png
[17:30] <shadeslayer> ouch
[17:30] <shadeslayer> heh
[17:31] <apachelogger> that is what you get for mocking the mighty intel
[17:32] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: the only difference between the 2 boards is that the pb has a dual core processor, 1GB RAM and a WLAN chip and the bb has a single core processor, 512 MB RAM, and no WLAN chip
[17:33] <debfx> I'm surprised minecraft even runs on intel
[17:33] <shadeslayer> oh ... and it's OMAP3530 vs OMAP4
[17:33] <JontheEchidna> X froze soon after :P
[17:34] <debfx> JontheEchidna: that's why I've built http://i.imgur.com/iTCwb.png around my house
[17:34] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: <apachelogger> that is what you get for mocking the mighty intel
[17:35] <debfx> JontheEchidna: how well does it run on intel (except the freezes ;) )?
[17:36] <JontheEchidna> I get pretty good FPS with these settings: http://i.imgur.com/X1S24.png
[17:36] <JontheEchidna> it's a bit worse in very open spaces, but it's probably 20-30
[17:37] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: wah?
[17:37]  * apachelogger blinks
[17:37]  * apachelogger blinks some more
[17:37]  * apachelogger faints
[17:37] <shadeslayer> hmm?
[17:37] <shadeslayer> oh yes! finally!!!
[17:37] <shadeslayer> i succeed in making apachelogger faint
[17:37]  * apachelogger concludes to not talk about arm boards with shadeslayer until shadeslayer read all about arm
[17:38] <debfx> on radeon I only have ~15 fps
[17:38] <JontheEchidna> is there a way to find out fore sure?
[17:38] <JontheEchidna> oh, I also installed the optimine mod which helped a bit
[17:38] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: also, IMHO the major difference between the two boards is that panda development is utter useless right now as there are only like 3 consumer ready devices on the market that use omap4
[17:39] <shadeslayer> yeah
[17:39] <JontheEchidna> wow, my graphics card really does *not* like it when I alt-tab away from minecraft for any extended amount of time
[17:39] <debfx> JontheEchidna: pressing f3
[17:39] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: yeah .. i might just talk gibberish because of the mind numbing equations i'm going through
[17:39] <JontheEchidna> aah, let me restart once again and I'll see
[17:40] <shadeslayer> and the fact that my desk is filled up with books
[17:40] <apachelogger> which equastions?
[17:40] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: you are going to join and quit all the time again? :P
[17:41] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: huge laplace transforms and stuff ... control system engineering
[17:41] <apachelogger> ah
[17:41] <apachelogger> excuses again
[17:41] <ScottK> debfx: Sorry about that (quassel not in bzr)
[17:41] <ScottK> If someone could verify the pending quassel SRU, that would help a lot.
[17:41] <debfx> ScottK: I've done that already
[17:41] <ScottK> Great.
[17:42] <debfx> I wanted to suggest using the udd branch
[17:42] <shadeslayer> ScottK: yeah, installs and works fine
[17:42] <debfx> but it is broken
[17:43] <ScottK> I think udd is still too unreliable and immature for regular use.
[17:44] <ScottK> apachelogger: Which workspace switcher?
[17:45] <apachelogger> ScottK: http://i.imgur.com/mDGMK.png
[17:46] <ScottK> apachelogger: How so?  Upstream problem in any case.
[17:46] <apachelogger> it places a krunner.desktop with hidden=true in .kde/share/autostart
[17:46] <apachelogger> ScottK: the upstreamness of the issue depends on the POV
[17:47] <JontheEchidna> debfx: about 17-20 fps in a normal outside space
[17:47] <ScottK> It's not a patch we have that does that, is it?
[17:47] <apachelogger> as kubuntu netbook by default has a krunner, switching to plasma-desktop and back to netbook will not restore the original kubuntu-netbook behaviour
[17:47] <ScottK> Upstream netbook has it too.
[17:47] <ScottK> That's not a kubuntuism.
[17:47] <apachelogger> don't think so
[17:48] <apachelogger> as upstream you can only log into kubuntu-desktop
[17:48] <apachelogger> eh
[17:48] <apachelogger> plasma-desktop
[17:48] <ScottK> The first run on netbook bits are distro changes.
[17:48] <apachelogger> so the only way to switch to netbook is first install plasma-desktop, login, use that KCM and switch to plasma-netbook
[17:48] <ScottK> The problem doesn't happen then?
[17:49] <apachelogger> no, because the "default" upstream setup will then have no krunner
[17:49] <apachelogger> so it is not really an upstream issue IMHO
[17:49] <apachelogger> to resolve it at kubuntu level we either deactivate krunner by default or patch the kcm to not make krunner disappear
[17:50] <apachelogger> (former would require release notes or we might end up with complaints)
[17:50] <ScottK> OK.  Please make it so...
[17:51] <apachelogger> ScottK: deactivate krunner?
[17:52] <mgraesslin> apachelogger: what were your results from the session on Friday?
[17:52] <apachelogger> mgraesslin: kwin is awesome
[17:52] <mgraesslin> yes we know :-D
[17:53] <apachelogger> mgraesslin: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-o/meeting/desktop-o-kubuntu-kwin-opengles/
[17:54] <apachelogger> (not yet cleaned up)
[17:54] <mgraesslin> btw neither NVIDIA nor FGLRX support GLES
[17:54] <mgraesslin> better said, they don't support EGL
[17:54] <apachelogger> "support" as in "support" or "not working at all"?
[17:55]  * apachelogger needs to cleanup the notes btw
[17:55] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: wanna cleanup the notes/
[17:55] <apachelogger> ?
[17:55] <mgraesslin> let's say it like that: I did not find any information on how to get an EGL context on NVIDIA developer website
[17:55] <ScottK> apachelogger: Yes.
[17:55] <mgraesslin> the GLX driver supports GLES, but it seems like not EGL
[17:56] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: will it take time?
[17:56] <ScottK> Actually krunner and netbook don't play together well anyway.
[17:56] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: yes
[17:56] <shadeslayer> no then
[17:56] <apachelogger> mgraesslin: who cares about egl anyway :P 
[17:57] <mgraesslin> my code does :-)
[17:57] <apachelogger> ^^
[17:58] <apachelogger> we should switch to eggwm, I see :P
[17:59] <mgraesslin> so above of EGL or GLX, there are the same code pathes
[17:59] <mgraesslin> that is on NVIDIA it's like using GLES
[17:59] <apachelogger> debfx: was it you who moved the bzr branches around?
[17:59] <debfx> apachelogger: no, probably ScottK
[18:00] <ScottK> Wasn't me.
[18:00]  * ScottK blames Quintasan.
[18:01] <yofel> actually it was me IIRC
[18:01] <apachelogger> oh yofel 
[18:01]  * ScottK reassigns blame.
[18:01] <apachelogger> yofel: you might want to consider moving lp:~kubuntu-netbook/kubuntu-netbook/default-settings around too or so
[18:02]  * apachelogger almost did not find that thing
[18:02] <yofel> first time I see ~kubuntu-netbook o.O
[18:04] <apachelogger> oh, also we did not change it to the new versioning scheme
[18:04]  * apachelogger fix0rs away
[18:05] <yofel> apachelogger: move it to ...? -members? Or should the core-devs have commit rights too?
[18:08] <apachelogger> yofel: packagers
[18:08] <apachelogger> IMHO everything in the archive should be in packagers, but that might just be my opionion
[18:09] <apachelogger> bleh
[18:09] <apachelogger> even branching kds takes forever
[18:12] <yofel> well, sounds reasonable, moving
[18:12] <ScottK> It should all be packagers.
[18:12] <yofel> *anything* ?
[18:17] <CIA-51> [kubuntu-netbook-default-settings] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20110515171708-s6r5bhack3b9lvd2 * (8 files in 3 dirs) (log message trimmed)
[18:17] <CIA-51> * Add krunner.desktop to prevent it from autostart. This behaviour is also
[18:17] <CIA-51> implemented by upstream's workspace switcher KCM. so eventually users did not
[18:20] <ScottK> yofel: Anything that was under ~kuubntu-members and whatver other kubuntu specific stuff might be in the wrong place.
[18:23] <yofel> k
[18:23]  * yofel goes moving what was left
[18:26] <apachelogger> yay
[18:26] <apachelogger> soprano debug spam when starting dolphin
[18:26] <apachelogger> \o/
[18:26] <apachelogger> useful technology ftw
[20:34] <bambee> a subtitle feature is planned for phonon one day ?
[20:43] <afiestas> bambee: afaik it is already supported in some way
[20:43] <afiestas> even if it is by "accident" by putting the same name to both, video and subtitle
[20:43] <afiestas> (at least that should work on the vlc backend imho)
[20:43] <bambee> ah ?
[20:44] <bambee> I will test it
[21:37]  * DarkwingDuck rubs eyes
[21:38] <apachelogger> afiestas, bambee: phonon-vlc supports whatever vlc supports, which has some subtitle discovery feature which should be pretty solid if only one video and multiple srts are in one folder
[21:39] <apachelogger> implicitly you could even set any random srt as subtitle using pvlc (just no app exposes that, fortunately I might say)
[21:39] <apachelogger> no clue about phonon-gstreamer
[21:39] <apachelogger> explicit file selection is very crapzy anyway IMHO
[21:39] <apachelogger> totally 1990's
[21:40] <apachelogger> yo DarkwingDuck
[21:46] <bambee> apachelogger: there is a workaround for the xine backend. it's possible to concat "#subtitle:<path_to_my_srt>" to the mrl. at least with a simple test program
[21:46] <DarkwingDuck> How are you apachelogger?
[21:47] <apachelogger> insanely tired + I should be doing homework or somesuch -.-
[21:47] <apachelogger> bambee: use case?
[21:48] <bambee> at least it worked with phonon 4.4...
[21:52] <bambee> apachelogger: http://www.xine-project.org/faq#avisubtitles
[21:59] <apachelogger> use case :P
[21:59] <apachelogger> with pvlc you just pass a subtitle descriptor with a type=file to it
[22:04] <bambee> aaarf
[23:57] <saLOUt> it would be nice if someone could help me to turn my opensuse spec file into a (k)ubuntu equivalent for my toy project kubeplayer (https://projects.kde.org/projects/playground/multimedia/kubeplayer)