/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/05/15/#ubuntu-manual.txt

afuenteshey godbyk02:22
godbykHey, afuentes.02:23
godbykI took a look a the Galician translation and it looks like there are still some build errors.02:23
godbykI looked through my email and I don't think I've heard back from the Galician translation editor for a number of months.02:23
afuentesYeah, it was a long time ago I think02:24
afuentesI just wanted to pick up wherever its left to make it build02:24
afuentesIm not really sure what happened but they already made the complete manual available here http://ubuntu.usc.es/manual/index/descargas02:26
godbykThe two errors that it shows me right now are:02:26
godbyk1. Glossary entry `área de notificación' has not been defined.02:27
godbykThis means that they've written \gls{área de notificación} at some point. They shouldn't translate the \gls and \glspl commands.02:27
godbyk2. File ended while scanning use of \button.02:28
godbykThis means that they wrote \button{Some text here and then they forgot the closing brace.02:28
godbykLet me see if I can find the context of the \button error.02:28
godbykAh, search for: \item Prema no botón \button{Aplicar02:30
godbykThat's the end of the line. It looks like the text was cut off or something.02:30
afuentesIll take a look at it on monday godbyk02:48
afuentescan you tell me whats left with spanish translation?02:48
godbykI think the Spanish translation is pretty far along, too, if I remember correctly. Let me look.02:50
afuentesthanks godbyk :)02:50
godbykIt looks like the lucid-e1 edition has just 6 strings that need review.02:52
godbykThe lucid-e2 edition has under 200 strings that need translating and the same that need reviewed.02:52
godbykI'm checking my email to see if anyone's talked to me about the Spanish translation..02:53
afuentesim checking that02:53
afuentesmaybe we can finish it right now :)02:53
godbykI see a lot of people have asked about a Spanish translation, but I'm not finding much else.02:55
godbykI don't have anyone listed as the translation editor for Spanish, either.02:55
afuenteshow can i find the 6 lines that need to be reviewed02:55
afuentesI see02:55
godbykYou should be able to translate/review them here: https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual/lucid-e1/+pots/ubuntu-manual/es/+translate02:57
godbyk(that's for lucid-e1.)02:58
afuentesi am there, but how can i filter them out?02:58
godbykI'm not much of an expert at Launchpad's translation tool.  (I try to stay away from there so I don't accidentally break something and anger the translators. :-))02:58
godbykTry this:02:59
godbykIn the "Translating" dropdown box, select 'items with new suggestions'.02:59
godbykThen click the Change button.02:59
godbykOn my screen, it shows 8 results then.02:59
godbykI think those are the ones that need review or translation.03:00
afuentesk03:00
afuentesi can do that right now03:00
godbykCool.03:00
godbykIf you let me know when you're finished, I can grab the latest translation (though it takes a while for Launchpad to send it to me) and build the PDF.03:01
godbykThen folks can start proofreading the PDF.03:01
afuentesmmm godbyk im not an expert at the launchpad translation thing either :/03:03
afuentesIt only allows me to make a suggestion03:03
afuentesbut i cant review or anything03:04
afuentesis that an editor's job or ...?03:04
godbykOh, I think you may have to be a member of the translation team or of the ubuntu-manual team or somesuch.03:06
godbykLet me poke around a bit. (It's been forever since I've looked at Launchpad's translation stuff.)03:07
godbykOkay, it's set up with "structured" permissions, which means:03:07
godbykStructured: if your project's translation group has assigned an individual or team to a particular language, only that person or members of that team can review and accept translation strings for that language. Anyone can suggest a translation for those languages, though. For languages that aren't covered by a translation group, anyone can directly submit a translation.03:07
godbykThe translations are owned by the Ubuntu Translators.03:08
afuentesI see, I send a request to join the group but approval is needed03:08
afuentessent*03:08
afuentesI get this moving on monday I guess then :/03:09
godbykSounds good.03:09
godbykThanks for your help, afuentes!03:09
afuentes^^03:10
afuentesim off to bed03:10
afuentesbyebye03:10
godbykG'night.03:10
Captainkrtekhey guys04:18
Captainkrtekmeeting tomorrow right?04:21
godbykCaptainkrtek: Yep.05:41
godbykCaptainkrtek: Sunday at 19:00 UTC.05:41
Captainkrtekwill be there :)05:42
godbykI look forward to seeing you.05:42
Captainkrtekyou as well05:42
Captainkrtekthe maverick string freeze is today right?05:42
godbykYep.05:43
godbykWell, it'll probably actually be tomorrow, but you should get any changes put in tonight if you can.05:43
godbykI've been going through and making some last-minute changes.05:43
Captainkrtekanything need to be reviewed?05:44
CaptainkrtekI got some freetime05:44
godbykYeah.05:45
Captainkrtektell me what pages, ill take a look :-)05:45
godbykThere were a couple files that got merged in after I'd made changes.05:45
godbykWe should probably skim over them to make sure they merged cleanly.05:45
godbykLet me find the files.05:45
Captainkrtekokay05:45
godbykIt was the installation chapter and one other.05:46
godbykThe merge would've happened during r135 of the maverick branch.05:47
godbykAs long as the diff for that revision looks sensible, we should be okay.05:47
Captainkrtekokay05:52
Captainkrtekanything else?05:52
Captainkrtekany pages that need to be looked at other than that merge?05:52
godbykI don't know if there's anything in particular.05:53
godbykI'd say just poke around fix any typos you find.05:53
godbyk(It seems like there's always one more spelling or grammar error!)05:53
Captainkrtekhehe05:54
Captainkrtekwill do! Ill be around all night, so just PM me if you find any work needing attention :-)05:54
godbykWill do!  Thanks for the offer.05:55
Captainkrtekno problem05:55
Captainkrtekgodbyk: when does the book go on sale06:07
Captainkrtekgodbyk: r135 looks good :-) nice work!07:01
Captainkrtekgodbyk: found a bug07:06
Captainkrtekpg 10907:06
Captainkrtekcheck the sidebar07:06
godbykCaptainkrtek: Nice catch.  I'll be going through the manual tomorrow to move the margin notes and figures around.07:36
godbykAfter that, I'll generate the final PDFs and upload them to ubuntu-manual.org and lulu.com.07:36
godbykThen I'll generate the .pot file for the translators.07:36
godbykThen I'll setup the natty branch.07:36
godbykBut right now, I'm headed to bed. :)07:37
Captainkrtekim almost done07:38
Captainkrtekjust reviewed all of displays.tex07:38
Captainkrtekfound some grammatical and wording issues07:38
Captainkrtekmeeting soon?19:39
godbykCaptainkrtek: Yep. About 20 minutes.19:40
ChrisWoollardevening godbyk19:41
godbykHey, ChrisWoollard.19:41
ChrisWoollardI am going to update the credits quickly19:42
godbyk'kay.19:42
godbykHey, rickfosb19:42
rickfosbhey godbyk19:42
ChrisWoollardevening19:43
Captainkrtekk19:43
rickfosbI'm not at my desk today;  so I don't have access to most of my 'stuff'...19:43
Captainkrtekgodbyk: I fixed that one margin note19:43
rickfosbhow is everyone19:43
godbykCaptainkrtek: Ah, great. Thanks!  There are some more that I need to fix, too, but that's one of the last edits I make (as other edits can cause the margin notes to move about).19:44
Captainkrtekcheck my last commit19:44
godbykWhich one?19:45
Captainkrtekumm hold on :)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))19:46
Captainkrteksynergy is making my keyboard mess up19:46
Captainkrteksorry :P19:46
Captainkrtekgodbyk: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-manual/ubuntu-manual/maverick/revision/13819:47
rickfosbgodbyk: stepping away for a moment.  be right back.19:48
ChrisWoollardDoes anybody know what Rrohit's actual name is?19:49
godbykCaptainkrtek: Ah, yep. That's fine.  The optional [-4\baselineskip] argument was telling LaTeX to move the margin note up four lines.  So if it was too high, you could remove it (like you did) or adjust it manually if LaTeX's automatic placement wasn't very good.19:49
Captainkrtekgotcha :)19:50
Captainkrtekstill learning LaTeX19:50
godbykChrisWoollard: I'm not sure: https://launchpad.net/~rr0hit19:50
CaptainkrtekUndiFineD: already got that survey in a few thousand twitter feeds19:51
Captainkrtekmostly developers19:51
godbykbrb. (preparing lunch)19:51
UndiFineDyeah19:51
UndiFineDI am hoping for some 12000 responses19:51
CaptainkrtekIll promote the hell out of it again haha19:51
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patrickdickeyHi everyone. :)19:55
rickfosb_I'm back (sort of)19:56
Captainkrtekhi patrickdickey19:58
rickfosb_Hi hannie20:00
hanniehi ChrisWoollard godbyk rickfosb_ piratemurray20:00
UndiFineDo/20:00
hanniehi UndiFineD20:01
godbykHey, hannie.20:01
Captainkrtekhey guys20:01
ChrisWoollardHello Hannie20:01
UndiFineDhannie, did you get to listen to all those sessions already ?20:01
godbykWe'll wait a couple minutes for others to show up and then get started.20:01
piratemurrayhello everyone!20:01
hannieUndiFineD, no20:01
UndiFineD:P20:01
piratemurrayhow are we all today?20:01
hannie"We" are fine, thank you20:02
UndiFineDthanks hannie noI know how I feel20:02
hannielol20:03
Captainkrtekme as well ;)20:03
Captainkrtekhere is the agenda for today: http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/KvXHj1XROp20:03
piratemurrayquick question before we start20:04
piratemurraydo we have a twitter hash tag?20:04
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Captainkrtekpiratemurray: for what?20:05
piratemurrayso i can do some promotion20:05
Captainkrtekpiratemurray: RT me https://twitter.com/#!/Captainkrtek/status/6983668032826163220:05
piratemurraydrum up some interest amougst friends and twitter in general20:05
CaptainkrtekI already got some big people to Rt me20:05
Captainkrteki have ~500 followers20:05
godbykpiratemurray: I don't think we have a hash tag, but we do have a twitter feed: @TheUbuntuManual20:06
ChrisWoollard& identi.ca20:06
piratemurrayokie dokie thanks!20:06
Captainkrtek31 clicks on the link so far20:07
godbykOkay, let's get started.20:07
godbyk#startmeeting20:07
MootBotMeeting started at 14:07. The chair is godbyk.20:07
MootBotCommands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]20:07
godbykSomething I forgot to do last time that I'd like to do this time 'round:20:07
godbyk[TOPIC] Attendance20:07
MootBotNew Topic:  Attendance20:07
ChrisWoollardo/20:07
godbykGive a shout if you're here.20:07
MrChrisDruifShout!20:07
ChrisWoollardBoo20:07
patrickdickeyShout!!20:07
rickfosb_Hey!20:08
Captainkrtekhola20:08
godbykThanks! Makes it a bit easier when we're writing up the meeting minutes. :)20:08
godbyk[TOPIC] Maverick status: string freeze20:08
MootBotNew Topic:  Maverick status: string freeze20:08
UndiFineDBoo20:09
godbykYesterday was our scheduled string freeze for the Maverick edition.20:09
godbykWe're still sneaking in a few last-minute changes today.20:09
ChrisWoollardOoops. I commited a few minutes ago20:09
CaptainkrtekIm still looking for anymore margin errors20:09
rickfosb_Did we get all the #todo screenshots?20:10
hannieCan Maverick be downloaded now (pdf, book)?20:10
godbykOnce the text has been finalized, I'll make a few last-minute adjustments (to margin notes and screenshots) and publish the PDFs on the ubuntu-manual.org and lulu.com sites.20:10
CaptainkrtekI had one thing to bring up20:10
ChrisWoollardI have a copy if you want it20:10
piratemurrayshout out!20:10
Captainkrtekin the troubleshooting guide it mentions setting screen resolution, when that is already in the Displays section20:10
Captainkrtekand it seems more in depth in the troublshooting guide20:11
Captainkrtekincluding pictures and such20:11
patrickdickeyShould those be flipped (the more in depth being in the Display section)?20:11
Captainkrtekyeah that is what I was thinking, or say (see page whatever)20:11
godbykHmm.. It's probably a bit late to flip them for this edition, but it's something we can do in the Natty edition.20:12
Captainkrtekit's not a major issue, just odd to have more in depth in the troubleshooting section20:12
Captainkrtekwhat about moving the pics from the troubleshooting section to the displays section?20:12
godbykI don't want to move things around at this point (because it may cause margin notes and screenshots to move around a bunch more and that can be bothersome).20:13
Captainkrtekokay, understandable20:13
Captainkrtekjust an idea20:13
godbykBut we can certainly straighten that out in the next edition.20:13
Captainkrtekgreat :-)20:13
rickfosb_Agree with godbyk20:14
Captainkrtekthis is my first time working on ubuntu-manual, so still learning the ropes ;-)20:14
godbykAny other comments or show-stopper bugs that anyone has found?20:14
CaptainkrtekIm going to look for more margin errors20:14
rickfosb_Captainkrtek: should I put you down to address in the natty branch?20:14
Captainkrtekrickfosb_: sure20:15
rickfosb_Thanks!20:15
Captainkrtekyou can assign it as a bug to me: https://launchpad.net/~steven.richards20:15
rickfosb_K20:15
Captainkrtekthanks!20:15
godbykDoes anyone have any pending changes on their hard drives that need to be committed?20:15
Captainkrteklet me check20:16
godbykThis is the final call for edits. :)20:16
rickfosb_ none here.20:16
ChrisWoollardnope20:16
Captainkrteknone her20:16
Captainkrtekhere*20:16
ChrisWoollardThe credits - Team leads could do with a review20:16
patrickdickeynothing.20:16
rickfosb_ChrisWoollard: were you using bzr stats for that?  or do you need more?20:17
ChrisWoollardI used bzr committer-statistics for the editors only.20:18
rickfosb_k20:18
ChrisWoollardI haven't touched authors either20:18
godbykChrisWoollard: I think we can continue to modify the credits section for a little bit as it doesn't impact anything else.20:18
rickfosb_I know we discussed this on last meeting; I'll review the log, but believe we were not going to make any deletions, and just ensure we have the particpants noted.20:19
godbykBefore I actually generate the .pot file, I'm going to be tweaking the placement of some of the screenshots and margin notes, so there will be a few formatting changes that enter in yet.20:19
Captainkrtekoh one other thing, how is the index compiled?20:20
rickfosb_godbyk: what's your target for having the .pot ready?  (just for my notes)20:20
CaptainkrtekI had one other pade to reference VLC20:20
Captainkrtekpage*20:20
godbykrickfosb_: I should have the .pot file generated sometime in the next day or two.20:20
rickfosb_k. thanks20:21
godbykCaptainkrtek: The index is pretty skimpy in the maverick edition. That's something else I'd like to improve in the natty edition.20:21
Captainkrtekokay great20:21
godbykAny other comments, questions, concerns, or complaints about the maverick string freeze?20:21
Captainkrteknone here20:22
hannieno questions20:22
rickfosb_Target for listing it on the manual site?20:22
patrickdickeynothing here. I'm making the latest version right now.20:22
godbykrickfosb_: As soon as I've finalized the .pot file, I'll generate the PDFs and upload them to ubuntu-manual.org and lulu.com.20:23
Captainkrtekawesome20:23
rickfosb_Fantastic!20:23
piratemurraygrand20:23
Captainkrtekgood work to everyone :)20:23
godbykAt the same time, the .pot file will get uploaded to Launchpad.20:23
hannieWill the file (final version) be imported in Launchpad?20:23
godbyk(At which point, I'll brace for the flood of angry emails from our translators because Launchpad will undoubtedly screw something up and wreak havoc on existing translations.)20:23
hannieSorry, too late20:24
godbykAnd speaking of translators...20:24
godbyk[TOPIC] Status of translations20:24
MootBotNew Topic:  Status of translations20:24
Captainkrteknice transition ;)20:25
godbykThe Lithuanian translation of lucid-e2 should be published soon.20:25
CaptainkrtekI may be able to recruit some people to translate it into Czech and Slovak20:25
godbykThey're the first team to translate the second edition.20:25
hannieWe, the Dutch team, will translate the Natty version20:25
InfosoftHeh, because we've dropped lucid-e1... :)20:26
godbykWe hit a few snags along the way (as I didn't have everything setup for the second edition translations and some of the TeX packages had been changed in the meantime), but it's looking good now.20:26
godbykhannie: Cool.20:26
godbykThere is still ongoing work with the lucid-e1 translations, as well.20:26
godbykSo we may see some translated editions of lucid-e1 in the coming weeks, too.20:27
godbykIf there are other translation teams that have been working on the Ubuntu Manual and have any questions or have run into problems related to LaTeX—or if you have questions about the publishing process—please let me know.20:28
rickfosbAre we still on target for activating the Natty branch this week? (connection dropped again, sorry for the name change)20:28
hanniegodbyk, we intend to make people responsible for a certain chapter20:28
godbykrickfosb: Yep.  Right after the Maverick edition is published, I'll copy the source files over to the natty branch.20:28
hannielike you do with authors20:28
godbykhannie: Cool.  You'll have to let us know how that technique works out for you.20:29
hannieI will20:29
rickfosbOur calendar said 21st of the month for Natty so, looks like we are on target.  Thanks20:29
Captainkrtekgood to hear20:29
godbykThat's everything that's on this meeting's agenda.20:30
godbyk[TOPIC] Any other business20:30
MootBotNew Topic:  Any other business20:30
godbykDoes anyone have anything else they'd like to discuss?20:31
ChrisWoollardthat was quick20:31
Captainkrtekdo we have anything to discuss related to UDS?20:31
rickfosbI'm trying to make up for last meeting...  :-)20:31
hannieHow will the contact between author/editor be realised?20:31
godbykCaptainkrtek: There were a few Ubuntu docs sessions as UDS-O.  I wasn't able to attend them, but they have posted some notes online.20:31
godbyk(Notes that I haven't had time to read yet, but will.)20:32
Captainkrtekgodbyk: I could look over those notes if you find a link20:32
godbykSure, let me dig them up for you.20:32
Captainkrtekthanks20:32
CaptainkrtekI could do a summary of the notes as a blueprint20:32
godbykhttp://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-o/meeting/community-o-ubuntu-docs-goals-oneiric/20:32
MootBotLINK received:  http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-o/meeting/community-o-ubuntu-docs-goals-oneiric/20:32
godbykhttp://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-o/meeting/desktop-o-documentation-pronovix-dita-drupal-demo/20:32
MootBotLINK received:  http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-o/meeting/desktop-o-documentation-pronovix-dita-drupal-demo/20:32
godbykhttp://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-o/meeting/desktop-o-ubuntu-docs-strategy/20:32
MootBotLINK received:  http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-o/meeting/desktop-o-ubuntu-docs-strategy/20:32
godbykThose are the ones I'm aware of.20:32
rickfosbhannie: I can facilitate the link up between author and editor.  I'll start some emails this week to see if we can get that started.20:33
godbykCaptainkrtek: If you summarize them, just post the summary to the list.20:33
Captainkrtekwill do20:33
hannierickfosb, thanks, that's exactly what I wanted to know20:33
piratemurrayi take it there is no need to talk about natty for now? just that the first milestone is next week?20:33
hannierickfosb, if you need any help in bringing people together, just let me know20:34
godbykpiratemurray: The natty branch will be active later this week so people can start editing the text there.20:34
rickfosball:  I'll also take a look at the teams again, and split up the work a little more as needed so we don't have multiple personalities writing the same paragraph.  ;)20:34
godbykI'll post an email to the list once it's ready.20:34
rickfosbhanne: thanks will do!20:34
rickfosbhannie*20:35
godbykAnything else?20:35
Captainkrtekim going to start summarizing the notes20:36
rickfosbnothing here.20:36
godbykOkay, then.  Have a nice day/evening/night, then!20:36
godbyk#endmeeting20:36
MootBotMeeting finished at 14:36.20:36
MrChrisDruifThanks godbyk20:36
Captainkrtek:)20:36
Captainkrtekyou as well20:36
rickfosbgobyk: thanks again!20:37
piratemurraythanks everyone!20:37
godbykrickfosb: No problem.20:37
piratemurraybye now20:37
ChrisWoollard:)20:37
rickfosbgodbyk: thanks20:37
CaptainkrtekIll have the notes in all of your inboxes within the hour20:37
patrickdickeyHave a great week everyone :)20:37
ChrisWoollardgodbyk: I didn't see any mention of the developer manual in any of those notes.20:37
ChrisWoollard:)20:38
hanniesee you all next time20:38
rickfosbgotta bale.  y'all be good... see you during the week.20:38
ChrisWoollardwhy do i get the felling it has died20:38
UndiFineDChrisWoollard, well I assume it also depends on #quickly20:40
ChrisWoollardyes it does20:40
ChrisWoollardnothing has happend to that has it?20:41
Captainkrtekgodbyk: you still around?20:41
godbykYep, I'm here.20:41
UndiFineDI think quickly itself is still much development, hard to write something with good workflow that is still very much moved around20:42
Captainkrtekwhat if we compiled a version   for kindle?20:42
godbykChrisWoollard: I haven't heard boo about it lately, either.20:42
godbykCaptainkrtek: That's on my to do list.  I have to sort out a bunch of stuff first, though.20:42
Captainkrtekokay, ill throw that in the notes though20:42
godbykCaptainkrtek: To really do the ebook thing right, I think we'll end up having to switch from LaTeX to Docbook (or some other format) as the base format.20:43
Captainkrtekgotcha20:43
Captainkrtekgodbyk: do we have a role of Proofreader for the manual?20:49
Captainkrtekcause I've done Q&A work in the past for a major technology company in regards to their KB20:50
godbykCaptainkrtek: Nope. That's what the editors do.20:50
Captainkrtekgotcha20:50
Captainkrtekjust thinking in terms of someone as a point of contact for Q&A20:50
Captainkrtekmaybe organize the edit process to be more efficient20:50
godbykThe chapter editors and editor in chief are supposed to help out there.20:52
godbykBut if you're interested in proofreading, I don't think anyone would object to you proofreading their work.20:52
Captainkrtekahh forgot about editor in chief, whoops :P20:52
Captainkrtekhi c7p20:55
c7phey all :)20:55
godbykHey, c7p.20:56
godbykHope you're not here for the meeting. :)20:56
Captainkrtekgodbyk: ubuntu-manual@lists.launchpad.net right?20:57
godbykCaptainkrtek: yeah.20:57
c7pgodbyk: i couldn't be there for meeting, i just enter the room to see what's going on :D20:58
godbykc7p: Ah, 'kay. Otherwise, you're an hour late. :)20:58
c7pis the meeting over ?20:59
Captainkrtekyeah21:00
Captainkrtekit ended about 20 minutes ago21:00
tomswartz07of course, right when i join. haha21:00
Captainkrtekhehe21:00
Captainkrtekthe whole meeting is online (godbyk?)21:00
CaptainkrtekI think..21:00
godbykCaptainkrtek: yep.21:00
Captainkrtekk21:01
tomswartz07someone sends out the minutes too. cant remember who21:01
godbykI'll probably scribble down some minutes a bit later and email them out.21:01
c7pthx for the info :)21:01
c7pdo we have any new author assigned to chapters ?21:02
CaptainkrtekIm about to send out the UDS-O notes in relation to Ubuntu-Manual21:02
Captainkrtekwatch your inbox ;)21:02
Captainkrtekgodbyk: sent21:03
godbykCaptainkrtek: thanks.21:06
Captainkrteknp21:06
c7pg2g guys -very busy schedule tomorrow-,  enjoy the rest of the day :)21:07
ChrisWoollardjenkins21:37

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