[02:22] hey godbyk [02:23] Hey, afuentes. [02:23] I took a look a the Galician translation and it looks like there are still some build errors. [02:23] I looked through my email and I don't think I've heard back from the Galician translation editor for a number of months. [02:24] Yeah, it was a long time ago I think [02:24] I just wanted to pick up wherever its left to make it build [02:26] Im not really sure what happened but they already made the complete manual available here http://ubuntu.usc.es/manual/index/descargas [02:26] The two errors that it shows me right now are: [02:27] 1. Glossary entry `área de notificación' has not been defined. [02:27] This means that they've written \gls{área de notificación} at some point. They shouldn't translate the \gls and \glspl commands. [02:28] 2. File ended while scanning use of \button. [02:28] This means that they wrote \button{Some text here and then they forgot the closing brace. [02:28] Let me see if I can find the context of the \button error. [02:30] Ah, search for: \item Prema no botón \button{Aplicar [02:30] That's the end of the line. It looks like the text was cut off or something. [02:48] Ill take a look at it on monday godbyk [02:48] can you tell me whats left with spanish translation? [02:50] I think the Spanish translation is pretty far along, too, if I remember correctly. Let me look. [02:50] thanks godbyk :) [02:52] It looks like the lucid-e1 edition has just 6 strings that need review. [02:52] The lucid-e2 edition has under 200 strings that need translating and the same that need reviewed. [02:53] I'm checking my email to see if anyone's talked to me about the Spanish translation.. [02:53] im checking that [02:53] maybe we can finish it right now :) [02:55] I see a lot of people have asked about a Spanish translation, but I'm not finding much else. [02:55] I don't have anyone listed as the translation editor for Spanish, either. [02:55] how can i find the 6 lines that need to be reviewed [02:55] I see [02:57] You should be able to translate/review them here: https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual/lucid-e1/+pots/ubuntu-manual/es/+translate [02:58] (that's for lucid-e1.) [02:58] i am there, but how can i filter them out? [02:58] I'm not much of an expert at Launchpad's translation tool. (I try to stay away from there so I don't accidentally break something and anger the translators. :-)) [02:59] Try this: [02:59] In the "Translating" dropdown box, select 'items with new suggestions'. [02:59] Then click the Change button. [02:59] On my screen, it shows 8 results then. [03:00] I think those are the ones that need review or translation. [03:00] k [03:00] i can do that right now [03:00] Cool. [03:01] If you let me know when you're finished, I can grab the latest translation (though it takes a while for Launchpad to send it to me) and build the PDF. [03:01] Then folks can start proofreading the PDF. [03:03] mmm godbyk im not an expert at the launchpad translation thing either :/ [03:03] It only allows me to make a suggestion [03:04] but i cant review or anything [03:04] is that an editor's job or ...? [03:06] Oh, I think you may have to be a member of the translation team or of the ubuntu-manual team or somesuch. [03:07] Let me poke around a bit. (It's been forever since I've looked at Launchpad's translation stuff.) [03:07] Okay, it's set up with "structured" permissions, which means: [03:07] Structured: if your project's translation group has assigned an individual or team to a particular language, only that person or members of that team can review and accept translation strings for that language. Anyone can suggest a translation for those languages, though. For languages that aren't covered by a translation group, anyone can directly submit a translation. [03:08] The translations are owned by the Ubuntu Translators. [03:08] I see, I send a request to join the group but approval is needed [03:08] sent* [03:09] I get this moving on monday I guess then :/ [03:09] Sounds good. [03:09] Thanks for your help, afuentes! [03:10] ^^ [03:10] im off to bed [03:10] byebye [03:10] G'night. [04:18] hey guys [04:21] meeting tomorrow right? [05:41] Captainkrtek: Yep. [05:41] Captainkrtek: Sunday at 19:00 UTC. [05:42] will be there :) [05:42] I look forward to seeing you. [05:42] you as well [05:42] the maverick string freeze is today right? [05:43] Yep. [05:43] Well, it'll probably actually be tomorrow, but you should get any changes put in tonight if you can. [05:43] I've been going through and making some last-minute changes. [05:44] anything need to be reviewed? [05:44] I got some freetime [05:45] Yeah. [05:45] tell me what pages, ill take a look :-) [05:45] There were a couple files that got merged in after I'd made changes. [05:45] We should probably skim over them to make sure they merged cleanly. [05:45] Let me find the files. [05:45] okay [05:46] It was the installation chapter and one other. [05:47] The merge would've happened during r135 of the maverick branch. [05:47] As long as the diff for that revision looks sensible, we should be okay. [05:52] okay [05:52] anything else? [05:52] any pages that need to be looked at other than that merge? [05:53] I don't know if there's anything in particular. [05:53] I'd say just poke around fix any typos you find. [05:53] (It seems like there's always one more spelling or grammar error!) [05:54] hehe [05:54] will do! Ill be around all night, so just PM me if you find any work needing attention :-) [05:55] Will do! Thanks for the offer. [05:55] no problem [06:07] godbyk: when does the book go on sale [07:01] godbyk: r135 looks good :-) nice work! [07:06] godbyk: found a bug [07:06] pg 109 [07:06] check the sidebar [07:36] Captainkrtek: Nice catch. I'll be going through the manual tomorrow to move the margin notes and figures around. [07:36] After that, I'll generate the final PDFs and upload them to ubuntu-manual.org and lulu.com. [07:36] Then I'll generate the .pot file for the translators. [07:36] Then I'll setup the natty branch. [07:37] But right now, I'm headed to bed. :) [07:38] im almost done [07:38] just reviewed all of displays.tex [07:38] found some grammatical and wording issues [19:39] meeting soon? [19:40] Captainkrtek: Yep. About 20 minutes. [19:41] evening godbyk [19:41] Hey, ChrisWoollard. [19:42] I am going to update the credits quickly [19:42] 'kay. [19:42] Hey, rickfosb [19:42] hey godbyk [19:43] evening [19:43] k [19:43] I'm not at my desk today; so I don't have access to most of my 'stuff'... [19:43] godbyk: I fixed that one margin note [19:43] how is everyone [19:44] Captainkrtek: Ah, great. Thanks! There are some more that I need to fix, too, but that's one of the last edits I make (as other edits can cause the margin notes to move about). [19:44] check my last commit [19:45] Which one? [19:46] umm hold on :))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) [19:46] synergy is making my keyboard mess up [19:46] sorry :P [19:47] godbyk: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-manual/ubuntu-manual/maverick/revision/138 [19:48] godbyk: stepping away for a moment. be right back. [19:49] Does anybody know what Rrohit's actual name is? [19:49] Captainkrtek: Ah, yep. That's fine. The optional [-4\baselineskip] argument was telling LaTeX to move the margin note up four lines. So if it was too high, you could remove it (like you did) or adjust it manually if LaTeX's automatic placement wasn't very good. [19:50] gotcha :) [19:50] still learning LaTeX [19:50] ChrisWoollard: I'm not sure: https://launchpad.net/~rr0hit [19:51] UndiFineD: already got that survey in a few thousand twitter feeds [19:51] mostly developers [19:51] brb. (preparing lunch) [19:51] yeah [19:51] I am hoping for some 12000 responses [19:51] Ill promote the hell out of it again haha === daker__ is now known as daker [19:55] Hi everyone. :) [19:56] I'm back (sort of) [19:58] hi patrickdickey [20:00] Hi hannie [20:00] hi ChrisWoollard godbyk rickfosb_ piratemurray [20:00] o/ [20:01] hi UndiFineD [20:01] Hey, hannie. [20:01] hey guys [20:01] Hello Hannie [20:01] hannie, did you get to listen to all those sessions already ? [20:01] We'll wait a couple minutes for others to show up and then get started. [20:01] hello everyone! [20:01] UndiFineD, no [20:01] :P [20:01] how are we all today? [20:02] "We" are fine, thank you [20:02] thanks hannie noI know how I feel [20:03] lol [20:03] me as well ;) [20:03] here is the agenda for today: http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/KvXHj1XROp [20:04] quick question before we start [20:04] do we have a twitter hash tag? === godbyk changed the topic of #ubuntu-manual to: Ubuntu Manual Project discussion | Meeting agenda: http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/KvXHj1XROp | Style Guide: http://files.ubuntu-manual.org/style-guide.pdf | Website: http://ubuntu-manual.org | Launchpad: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual | IRC logs: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com [20:05] piratemurray: for what? [20:05] so i can do some promotion [20:05] piratemurray: RT me https://twitter.com/#!/Captainkrtek/status/69836680328261632 [20:05] drum up some interest amougst friends and twitter in general [20:05] I already got some big people to Rt me [20:05] i have ~500 followers [20:06] piratemurray: I don't think we have a hash tag, but we do have a twitter feed: @TheUbuntuManual [20:06] & identi.ca [20:06] okie dokie thanks! [20:07] 31 clicks on the link so far [20:07] Okay, let's get started. [20:07] #startmeeting [20:07] Meeting started at 14:07. The chair is godbyk. [20:07] Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] [20:07] Something I forgot to do last time that I'd like to do this time 'round: [20:07] [TOPIC] Attendance [20:07] New Topic: Attendance [20:07] o/ [20:07] Give a shout if you're here. [20:07] Shout! [20:07] Boo [20:07] Shout!! [20:08] Hey! [20:08] hola [20:08] Thanks! Makes it a bit easier when we're writing up the meeting minutes. :) [20:08] [TOPIC] Maverick status: string freeze [20:08] New Topic: Maverick status: string freeze [20:09] Boo [20:09] Yesterday was our scheduled string freeze for the Maverick edition. [20:09] We're still sneaking in a few last-minute changes today. [20:09] Ooops. I commited a few minutes ago [20:09] Im still looking for anymore margin errors [20:10] Did we get all the #todo screenshots? [20:10] Can Maverick be downloaded now (pdf, book)? [20:10] Once the text has been finalized, I'll make a few last-minute adjustments (to margin notes and screenshots) and publish the PDFs on the ubuntu-manual.org and lulu.com sites. [20:10] I had one thing to bring up [20:10] I have a copy if you want it [20:10] shout out! [20:10] in the troubleshooting guide it mentions setting screen resolution, when that is already in the Displays section [20:11] and it seems more in depth in the troublshooting guide [20:11] including pictures and such [20:11] Should those be flipped (the more in depth being in the Display section)? [20:11] yeah that is what I was thinking, or say (see page whatever) [20:12] Hmm.. It's probably a bit late to flip them for this edition, but it's something we can do in the Natty edition. [20:12] it's not a major issue, just odd to have more in depth in the troubleshooting section [20:12] what about moving the pics from the troubleshooting section to the displays section? [20:13] I don't want to move things around at this point (because it may cause margin notes and screenshots to move around a bunch more and that can be bothersome). [20:13] okay, understandable [20:13] just an idea [20:13] But we can certainly straighten that out in the next edition. [20:13] great :-) [20:14] Agree with godbyk [20:14] this is my first time working on ubuntu-manual, so still learning the ropes ;-) [20:14] Any other comments or show-stopper bugs that anyone has found? [20:14] Im going to look for more margin errors [20:14] Captainkrtek: should I put you down to address in the natty branch? [20:15] rickfosb_: sure [20:15] Thanks! [20:15] you can assign it as a bug to me: https://launchpad.net/~steven.richards [20:15] K [20:15] thanks! [20:15] Does anyone have any pending changes on their hard drives that need to be committed? [20:16] let me check [20:16] This is the final call for edits. :) [20:16] none here. [20:16] nope [20:16] none her [20:16] here* [20:16] The credits - Team leads could do with a review [20:16] nothing. [20:17] ChrisWoollard: were you using bzr stats for that? or do you need more? [20:18] I used bzr committer-statistics for the editors only. [20:18] k [20:18] I haven't touched authors either [20:18] ChrisWoollard: I think we can continue to modify the credits section for a little bit as it doesn't impact anything else. [20:19] I know we discussed this on last meeting; I'll review the log, but believe we were not going to make any deletions, and just ensure we have the particpants noted. [20:19] Before I actually generate the .pot file, I'm going to be tweaking the placement of some of the screenshots and margin notes, so there will be a few formatting changes that enter in yet. [20:20] oh one other thing, how is the index compiled? [20:20] godbyk: what's your target for having the .pot ready? (just for my notes) [20:20] I had one other pade to reference VLC [20:20] page* [20:20] rickfosb_: I should have the .pot file generated sometime in the next day or two. [20:21] k. thanks [20:21] Captainkrtek: The index is pretty skimpy in the maverick edition. That's something else I'd like to improve in the natty edition. [20:21] okay great [20:21] Any other comments, questions, concerns, or complaints about the maverick string freeze? [20:22] none here [20:22] no questions [20:22] Target for listing it on the manual site? [20:22] nothing here. I'm making the latest version right now. [20:23] rickfosb_: As soon as I've finalized the .pot file, I'll generate the PDFs and upload them to ubuntu-manual.org and lulu.com. [20:23] awesome [20:23] Fantastic! [20:23] grand [20:23] good work to everyone :) [20:23] At the same time, the .pot file will get uploaded to Launchpad. [20:23] Will the file (final version) be imported in Launchpad? [20:23] (At which point, I'll brace for the flood of angry emails from our translators because Launchpad will undoubtedly screw something up and wreak havoc on existing translations.) [20:24] Sorry, too late [20:24] And speaking of translators... [20:24] [TOPIC] Status of translations [20:24] New Topic: Status of translations [20:25] nice transition ;) [20:25] The Lithuanian translation of lucid-e2 should be published soon. [20:25] I may be able to recruit some people to translate it into Czech and Slovak [20:25] They're the first team to translate the second edition. [20:25] We, the Dutch team, will translate the Natty version [20:26] Heh, because we've dropped lucid-e1... :) [20:26] We hit a few snags along the way (as I didn't have everything setup for the second edition translations and some of the TeX packages had been changed in the meantime), but it's looking good now. [20:26] hannie: Cool. [20:26] There is still ongoing work with the lucid-e1 translations, as well. [20:27] So we may see some translated editions of lucid-e1 in the coming weeks, too. [20:28] If there are other translation teams that have been working on the Ubuntu Manual and have any questions or have run into problems related to LaTeX—or if you have questions about the publishing process—please let me know. [20:28] Are we still on target for activating the Natty branch this week? (connection dropped again, sorry for the name change) [20:28] godbyk, we intend to make people responsible for a certain chapter [20:28] rickfosb: Yep. Right after the Maverick edition is published, I'll copy the source files over to the natty branch. [20:28] like you do with authors [20:29] hannie: Cool. You'll have to let us know how that technique works out for you. [20:29] I will [20:29] Our calendar said 21st of the month for Natty so, looks like we are on target. Thanks [20:29] good to hear [20:30] That's everything that's on this meeting's agenda. [20:30] [TOPIC] Any other business [20:30] New Topic: Any other business [20:31] Does anyone have anything else they'd like to discuss? [20:31] that was quick [20:31] do we have anything to discuss related to UDS? [20:31] I'm trying to make up for last meeting... :-) [20:31] How will the contact between author/editor be realised? [20:31] Captainkrtek: There were a few Ubuntu docs sessions as UDS-O. I wasn't able to attend them, but they have posted some notes online. [20:32] (Notes that I haven't had time to read yet, but will.) [20:32] godbyk: I could look over those notes if you find a link [20:32] Sure, let me dig them up for you. [20:32] thanks [20:32] I could do a summary of the notes as a blueprint [20:32] http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-o/meeting/community-o-ubuntu-docs-goals-oneiric/ [20:32] LINK received: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-o/meeting/community-o-ubuntu-docs-goals-oneiric/ [20:32] http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-o/meeting/desktop-o-documentation-pronovix-dita-drupal-demo/ [20:32] LINK received: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-o/meeting/desktop-o-documentation-pronovix-dita-drupal-demo/ [20:32] http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-o/meeting/desktop-o-ubuntu-docs-strategy/ [20:32] LINK received: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-o/meeting/desktop-o-ubuntu-docs-strategy/ [20:32] Those are the ones I'm aware of. [20:33] hannie: I can facilitate the link up between author and editor. I'll start some emails this week to see if we can get that started. [20:33] Captainkrtek: If you summarize them, just post the summary to the list. [20:33] will do [20:33] rickfosb, thanks, that's exactly what I wanted to know [20:33] i take it there is no need to talk about natty for now? just that the first milestone is next week? [20:34] rickfosb, if you need any help in bringing people together, just let me know [20:34] piratemurray: The natty branch will be active later this week so people can start editing the text there. [20:34] all: I'll also take a look at the teams again, and split up the work a little more as needed so we don't have multiple personalities writing the same paragraph. ;) [20:34] I'll post an email to the list once it's ready. [20:34] hanne: thanks will do! [20:35] hannie* [20:35] Anything else? [20:36] im going to start summarizing the notes [20:36] nothing here. [20:36] Okay, then. Have a nice day/evening/night, then! [20:36] #endmeeting [20:36] Meeting finished at 14:36. [20:36] Thanks godbyk [20:36] :) [20:36] you as well [20:37] gobyk: thanks again! [20:37] thanks everyone! [20:37] rickfosb: No problem. [20:37] bye now [20:37] :) [20:37] godbyk: thanks [20:37] Ill have the notes in all of your inboxes within the hour [20:37] Have a great week everyone :) [20:37] godbyk: I didn't see any mention of the developer manual in any of those notes. [20:38] :) [20:38] see you all next time [20:38] gotta bale. y'all be good... see you during the week. [20:38] why do i get the felling it has died [20:40] ChrisWoollard, well I assume it also depends on #quickly [20:40] yes it does [20:41] nothing has happend to that has it? [20:41] godbyk: you still around? [20:41] Yep, I'm here. [20:42] I think quickly itself is still much development, hard to write something with good workflow that is still very much moved around [20:42] what if we compiled a version for kindle? [20:42] ChrisWoollard: I haven't heard boo about it lately, either. [20:42] Captainkrtek: That's on my to do list. I have to sort out a bunch of stuff first, though. [20:42] okay, ill throw that in the notes though [20:43] Captainkrtek: To really do the ebook thing right, I think we'll end up having to switch from LaTeX to Docbook (or some other format) as the base format. [20:43] gotcha [20:49] godbyk: do we have a role of Proofreader for the manual? [20:50] cause I've done Q&A work in the past for a major technology company in regards to their KB [20:50] Captainkrtek: Nope. That's what the editors do. [20:50] gotcha [20:50] just thinking in terms of someone as a point of contact for Q&A [20:50] maybe organize the edit process to be more efficient [20:52] The chapter editors and editor in chief are supposed to help out there. [20:52] But if you're interested in proofreading, I don't think anyone would object to you proofreading their work. [20:52] ahh forgot about editor in chief, whoops :P [20:55] hi c7p [20:55] hey all :) [20:56] Hey, c7p. [20:56] Hope you're not here for the meeting. :) [20:57] godbyk: ubuntu-manual@lists.launchpad.net right? [20:57] Captainkrtek: yeah. [20:58] godbyk: i couldn't be there for meeting, i just enter the room to see what's going on :D [20:58] c7p: Ah, 'kay. Otherwise, you're an hour late. :) [20:59] is the meeting over ? [21:00] yeah [21:00] it ended about 20 minutes ago [21:00] of course, right when i join. haha [21:00] hehe [21:00] the whole meeting is online (godbyk?) [21:00] I think.. [21:00] Captainkrtek: yep. [21:01] k [21:01] someone sends out the minutes too. cant remember who [21:01] I'll probably scribble down some minutes a bit later and email them out. [21:01] thx for the info :) [21:02] do we have any new author assigned to chapters ? [21:02] Im about to send out the UDS-O notes in relation to Ubuntu-Manual [21:02] watch your inbox ;) [21:03] godbyk: sent [21:06] Captainkrtek: thanks. [21:06] np [21:07] g2g guys -very busy schedule tomorrow-, enjoy the rest of the day :) [21:37] jenkins