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Irishmanlukehello teddy-dbear00:17
teddy-dbearo/00:17
teddy-dbearit's the moment of truth.... will it boot... will there be problems?00:47
teddy-dbearwill network manger work better then it has been?00:49
teddy-dbeardoesn't like the hardware and won't run Unity00:50
teddy-dbearsilly Nvidia drivers00:55
teddy-dbearwell that didn't work01:09
teddy-dbearwithout the nvidia driver compiz doesn't work now there is only a blank screen :-(01:11
teddy-dbearand it won't reboot01:11
teddy-dbearit will boot into recovery mode but not regular mode :P01:16
teddy-dbearthat's better01:45
teddy-dbearback to normal01:45
ssweenyoh man the tiredness01:48
knightzerormg51: how'd it go?01:51
rmg51compiz isn't working right01:52
rmg51had trouble getting to boot01:53
rmg51seems to be working now01:54
rmg51just can't flip the cube :-/01:54
knightzeroI had to fiddle around in the compiz config manager to get it working again.01:55
rmg51everything is set. it just won't spin01:56
rmg51that explains the cube not working02:31
rmg51nvidia drives are active but not in use02:32
rmg51so much for compiz02:32
waltmanTired02:34
rmg51done for the night02:54
teddy-dbearnite-nite :-[02:54
InHisNameany one left after teddy left ?03:13
knightzeroNone that I can see.03:13
mikedep333http://lxde.org/03:18
InHisNameGood Morning everybody and JonathanD too.10:04
JonathanDMorning.11:06
rmg51morning JonathanD11:38
JonathanDhowdy.11:38
rmg51now I have no wireless12:27
rmg5111.04 has broken too many things for my taste12:28
rmg51wireless is dead12:36
mikedep333rmg51: which wi-fi chipset?12:36
rmg51I have to look it up12:36
mikedep333lspci would be sufficient12:36
mikedep333or if you know the model name12:37
rmg51 Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/PM/GMS, 943/940GML and 945GT12:39
rmg51this happened once before and I fixed it with a clean install12:42
mikedep333rmg51: that's a northbridge chipset family12:48
mikedep333lspci should list something like  "04:00:0 Ethernet Controller: <this-is-the-model-or-chipset-name>12:48
mikedep333also12:49
mikedep333you might want to grep dmesg for 'firmware'12:49
mikedep333if your chipset requires binary blob firmware to be loaded12:49
rmg51 Ethernet controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4401-B0 100Base-TX12:50
mikedep333ok, that's wired12:50
mikedep333I think it uses the same prefix for a wi-fi one12:50
rmg51Intel(R) PRO/Wireless 3945ABG/BG12:58
rmg51picked the wrong one :-/12:59
mikedep333rmg51: that should be very well supported13:05
mikedep333I will still grep dmesg for 'firmware'13:05
rmg51I did13:05
rmg51couldn't find anything13:05
mikedep333http://intellinuxwireless.org/13:05
PennBotTitle: Intel Wireless WiFi Link drivers for Linux* (at intellinuxwireless.org)13:05
mikedep333run lsmod13:05
mikedep333see if "iwlwifi" has been loaded13:06
rmg5112.366293] iwl3945 0000:0b:00.0: Detected Intel Wireless WiFi Link 3945ABG13:06
mikedep333here used to be a driver specific for the 3945 hardware (ipw3945 hosted on ipw3945.sourceforge.net). This project is deprecated, please use the iwlwifi driver instead.13:06
mikedep333did you upgrade from a previous release?13:06
rmg51yep13:07
mikedep333maybe it's trying to use the old driver13:07
mikedep333run lsmod and see what driver is loaded13:07
rmg51it was working for a short time13:07
rmg51I've had trouble with wifi for a while13:07
mikedep333rmg51, ok, but can you please run lsmod and see what driver is loaded?13:08
rmg51always lost the connection13:08
rmg51one moment13:08
mikedep333http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=174867713:09
PennBotTitle: [ubuntu] new to ubuntu wireless troubles with Intel 3945ABG - Ubuntu Forums (at ubuntuforums.org)13:09
mikedep333reportedly it instantly fixed it to manually load the module: sudo modprobe iwl394513:10
mikedep333and then: echo iwl3945 >> /etc/modules13:10
rmg51doesn't look like any driver is loaded13:11
mikedep333yeah13:11
mikedep333try: sudo modprobe iwl394513:11
mikedep333it looks like the 'iwl' project includes multiple modules13:13
mikedep333such as 'iwlagn'13:13
mikedep333but the one for your chipset is 'iwl3945'13:13
mikedep333if the old driver, 'ipw3945' was loaded, that would be an issue13:14
rmg51iwl3945: Intel(R) PRO/Wireless 3945ABG/BG Network Connection driver for Linux, in-tree:s13:14
mikedep333https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+source/module-init-tools/+bug/74702513:14
PennBotTitle: Bug #747025 in module-init-tools (Ubuntu Natty): “Modprobe passes 11n_disable=1 option to iwl3945 which doesn't support the option” (at bugs.launchpad.net)13:14
rmg51iwl3945 0000:0b:00.0: Detected Intel Wireless WiFi Link 3945ABG13:15
mikedep333iwl3945: Unknown option: 11n_disable13:15
mikedep333A temporary workaround is to remove /etc/modprobe.d/intel-3945-iwlagn-disable11n.conf file and then run sudo modprobe iwl3945 .13:15
mikedep333does anyone know if there is a preferred distro for trying out GNOME 3.0?13:24
rmg51cannot remove `/etc/modprobe.d/intel-3945-iwlagn-disable11n.conf': No such file or directory13:27
mikedep333rmg51: ok13:27
mikedep333does iwl3945 stay loaded when you load it?13:27
mikedep333load it manually that is13:27
rmg51 Type:              802.11 WiFi13:28
rmg51  Driver:            iwl394513:28
rmg51  State:             unavailable13:28
mikedep333http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=174867713:28
PennBotTitle: [ubuntu] new to ubuntu wireless troubles with Intel 3945ABG - Ubuntu Forums (at ubuntuforums.org)13:28
mikedep333try the: rfkill list all13:28
mikedep333what command did you run for that output?13:28
mikedep333rfkill handles the hardware buttons for disabling wi-fi13:29
rmg51 12.312218] iwl3945: Intel(R) PRO/Wireless 3945ABG/BG Network Connection driver for Linux, in-tree:s13:29
rmg51[   12.312224] iwl3945: Copyright(c) 2003-2010 Intel Corporation13:29
rmg51[   12.312312] iwl3945 0000:0b:00.0: PCI INT A -> GSI 16 (level, low) -> IRQ 1613:29
rmg51[   12.312328] iwl3945 0000:0b:00.0: setting latency timer to 6413:29
rmg51[   12.366287] iwl3945 0000:0b:00.0: Tunable channels: 11 802.11bg, 13 802.11a channels13:29
rmg51[   12.366293] iwl3945 0000:0b:00.0: Detected Intel Wireless WiFi Link 3945ABG13:29
rmg51[   12.366453] iwl3945 0000:0b:00.0: irq 43 for MSI/MSI-X13:29
rmg51[   12.987373] ieee80211 phy0: Selected rate control algorithm 'iwl-3945-rs'13:29
rmg51any more then that and I'll flood the channel13:30
rmg51but that was everything13:30
mikedep333ok, try the rfkill command13:30
mikedep333and verify that it is still loaded13:30
rmg510: dell-wifi: Wireless LAN13:32
rmg51Soft blocked: yes13:32
rmg51Hard blocked: no13:32
rmg511: phy0: Wireless LAN13:32
rmg51Soft blocked: no13:32
rmg51Hard blocked: yes13:32
mikedep333oh, god13:32
mikedep333I ran into this issue on my dell studio 14z13:32
mikedep333when I tried to replace the dell wi-fi card, I had issues like this13:33
mikedep333where it thinks there's 2nd wifi card by dell13:33
mikedep333https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/52314313:34
PennBotTitle: Bug #523143 in linux (Ubuntu): “Wireless RFKILL defaults to on (wireless off) and can't be turned off.” (at bugs.launchpad.net)13:34
mikedep333"I since managed to solve this problem on my (dell) laptop by disabling a specific kernel module called "dell-laptop"."13:35
rmg51nm won't even let me enable wireless13:36
mikedep333rmg51: yeah, because of an rfkill13:36
mikedep333try: rmmod dell_laptop13:36
mikedep333and then: rfkill list13:36
mikedep333or rather: rfkill list all13:36
rmg51command not found13:37
mikedep333rmg51: sudo rmmod dell_laptop13:37
rmg51did that13:38
mikedep333rmg51: I would be totally amazed if "rmmod" was not available on your system13:38
rmg51ERROR: Module dell_laptop does not exist in /proc/modules13:38
mikedep333r m m o d13:38
rmg51copied and pasted13:39
mikedep333rmg51: ok13:39
mikedep333try running: lsmod | grep dell13:39
rmg51dell_wmi               12601  013:40
rmg51sparse_keymap          13666  1 dell_wmi13:40
rmg51not much there13:40
mikedep333rmg51: I believe the crux of the problem is that your wi-fi adapter has a hard block with rfkill13:41
mikedep333as seen with: rfkill list all13:41
mikedep333<rmg51> 0: dell-wifi: Wireless LAN13:41
mikedep333<rmg51>  Soft blocked: yes13:41
mikedep333<rmg51>  Hard blocked: no13:41
mikedep333<rmg51> 1: phy0: Wireless LAN13:41
mikedep333<rmg51>  Soft blocked: no13:41
mikedep333<rmg51>  Hard blocked: yes13:41
rmg51looks like this is now a desktop computer13:42
mikedep333rmg51: have you tried pressing the wi-fi hardware button or Fn button on your laptop?13:42
rmg51like I said before, this happened once before and I fixed it with a clean install13:43
mikedep333rmg51: ok13:43
rmg51fn F2 does nothing13:43
rmg51wait13:43
rmg51light just came on :-D13:43
mikedep333rmg51: :D13:44
rmg51I have wifi13:44
mikedep333ahh, a simple solution to a complex problem13:44
rmg51just don't ask how it was fixed13:44
rmg51no13:44
rmg51I tried that several times with no result13:44
mikedep333rmg51: as rfkill demonstrated, there was a block on the wi-fi, presumably by the button13:45
mikedep333rmg51: maybe iwl3945 wasn't loaded before?13:45
rmg51maybe13:45
mikedep333so both steps were necessary13:45
mikedep333I don't think it will hurt to echo iwl3945 > /etc/modules13:45
rmg51I pushed that button so many times there is no way to know if it was o or off13:45
mikedep333rmg51: right13:45
rmg51right now I am going to leave well enough alone :-/13:46
mikedep333rmg51: yeah, but you want it to work after you reboot, don't you?13:46
rmg51reboot? what's that?13:47
rmg51this laptop stay on all the time13:48
rmg51it just get rebooted for kernel updates13:48
mikedep333rmg51: one month for now when you have to do kernel updates, then you'll have to deal with this again13:48
mikedep333but echoing iwl3945 into /etc/modules might prevent that issue13:49
rmg51/etc/modules: Permission denied13:49
rmg51with sudo ^13:49
mikedep333run: sudo su first13:49
mikedep333it's annoying how you can't easily echo with sudo13:49
mikedep333WAIT13:50
mikedep333echo with >>13:50
mikedep333the only two lines in my /etc/modules are:13:51
mikedep333lp13:51
mikedep333rtc13:51
mikedep333in case you overwrote it13:52
rmg51I'm not showing anything13:52
mikedep333rmg51: cat /etc/modules13:52
mikedep333ignore the comments13:52
rmg51nothing13:53
mikedep333hmm, crap13:54
mikedep333when was /etc/modules modified?13:54
mikedep333eg, 1 minute ago?13:54
mikedep333or days ago when ubuntu developers prepared it?13:54
rmg51no way to know13:55
mikedep333rmg51: loook at the timestamp13:55
mikedep333right click on the file in nautilus and go to properties13:55
mikedep333or run: ls -l /etc/modules13:56
mikedep333or was it modified hours ago or so when you upgraded to natty?13:58
rmg51upgraded yesterday13:58
mikedep333rmg51: ok, good13:58
mikedep333that's when you upgraded to natty?13:58
rmg51dated today ay 8:5113:59
mikedep333oh, crap13:59
mikedep333then we overwrote it13:59
rmg51iwl394513:59
rmg51that's all that is there13:59
mikedep333run: lsmod | grep lp13:59
mikedep333lsmod | grep rtc14:00
mikedep333my other system only has 'lp' in that file14:00
rmg51root@rmg:~#  lsmod | grep lp14:01
rmg51lp                     13349  014:01
rmg51parport                36746  3 parport_pc,ppdev,lp14:01
rmg51rtc returns nothing14:02
mikedep333rmg51: ok14:02
mikedep333after running: sudo su14:02
mikedep333run: echo lp >> /etc/modules14:02
mikedep333that will add 'lp' to a line on the end of the file14:02
mikedep333rmg51: to be honeset and upfront with you, the comamnd that I told you to run: "echo iwl3945 > /etc/modules" overwrote the file and may have messed up something else14:03
mikedep333but most likely not14:03
rmg51one way to find out is to just reboot and see what happens14:04
mikedep333rmg51: ok!14:04
rmg51back shortly14:05
mikedep333ok, I'll be here14:05
rmg51I hope =-O14:05
mikedep333hurray, you're back14:07
rmg51and the wifi light is still on :-D14:07
mikedep333:-D14:07
mikedep333well, there14:07
rmg51time for breakfast14:07
mikedep333my work here is done14:07
mikedep333rmg51: I had breakfast at my desk while helping you14:08
rmg51is it time for a nap?14:08
mikedep333I'll be around later14:08
mikedep333I'm going for a walk at the mall.14:08
mikedep333probably grabbing coffee too14:08
rmg51I should be good now14:08
mikedep333rmg51: enjoy!14:08
rmg51now if only when I disconnect the cat5 wireless doesn't keep disconnecting me :-/14:09
mikedep333rmg51: sigh, I'll see if I can help you with that later14:12
rmg51once again wireless is dead15:35
rmg51died all by itself :-(15:35
JonathanDawesome.15:35
rmg51back to being a desktop computer15:38
rmg51either that or just do a clean install15:38
mikedep333rmg51: I'm here15:44
mikedep333do you want me to help you or do you want to just do a clean install?15:44
rmg51wireless doesn't like this laptop15:45
rmg51we can go back over everything but it will probably just break again15:45
mikedep333rmg51: whatever you'd like15:46
mikedep333I'm the fix-it kind of person.15:46
mikedep333but I have thing to do today15:46
rmg51this just happened15:46
mikedep333*things15:46
rmg51one second it's connected the next it wasn't15:46
rmg51I'm just going to let it go for now15:48
rmg51I've been thinking about buying a new laptop to solve all the little problems that this one has15:49
mikedep333rmg51: I help people get affordable deals all the time15:50
mikedep333http://www.dealigg.com/story-Sony-VPCEE42FX-T-15-5-Notebook15:50
PennBotTitle: Best Deal: Sony VPCEE42FX/T 15.5" Notebook (at www.dealigg.com)15:51
mikedep333I check dealigg.com & xpbargains.com a lot15:51
mikedep333http://shop3.frys.com/product/659875315:51
PennBotTitle: FRYS.com | SonyFRYS.com (at shop3.frys.com)15:51
rmg51prolly go with System76 again15:51
mikedep333I don't know how good that laptop is with linux/ubuntu though15:51
mikedep333rmg51: cool!15:51
mikedep333as long as you can afford it15:51
rmg51already have one of theirs15:51
mikedep333which one?15:52
PennBotwhich one is it, mikedep33315:52
rmg51or at least Teddy does :-[15:52
rmg51I can never remember the names15:52
mikedep333http://www.system76.com/index.php?cPath=2815:53
PennBotTitle: Ubuntu Laptop Computers - System76 (at www.system76.com)15:53
mikedep333seriously though15:53
rmg51bought it a year ago15:53
mikedep333lots people want affordable 15" and 17" laptops15:53
rmg51Teddy's laptop is not there15:53
mikedep333they're almost following the apple strategy by making their 15" laptop start at $,22515:53
mikedep333their minimum 15" model has a quad-core core i715:54
mikedep333one nice thing though15:54
rmg51Pangolin15:55
mikedep333their netbooks don't adhere to the windows 7 starter limitations15:55
mikedep333like only having 1GB of RAM15:55
mikedep333or max 160/250GB HDD15:55
rmg51Teddy's is a quad core15:55
rmg51i7 72015:55
mikedep333rmg51: yeah15:55
mikedep333note that all the core i3/i5/i7 with a 4 digit number like "2310" are the next generation15:56
rmg516 gigs of ram15:56
mikedep333the big difference is that their graphics are much better15:56
rmg51with ati graphics15:56
mikedep333rmg51: I upgrade the RAM and HDD in my (friends') laptop(s)/netbook(s) all the time15:56
mikedep333RAM is about $10/GB15:57
mikedep333although cheap laptop/netbook motherboards often only support 2-4GB max15:57
mikedep333ie, 1 or 2 slots that can only handle sticks upto 2GB15:57
rmg51I like to over buy a little15:57
mikedep333rmg51: well, computer's are an investment in yourself15:58
mikedep333*computers15:58
rmg51that way I can use it for a longer time15:58
mikedep333rmg51: yeah15:58
mikedep333back in the old day getting the most expensive computer didn't help too much15:58
mikedep333as long as you were comfortable with upgrading the RAM on your own later15:58
mikedep333or just maxing out the RAM15:58
mikedep333going from a $200 CPU to a $500 CPU offered like 25% more performance15:59
rmg51I did that with my first laptop15:59
mikedep333but now, when you go upto a $500 CPU you double the cores for example15:59
rmg51back when I only used Windows15:59
mikedep333so you get like double the performance15:59
mikedep333rmg51: yeah15:59
mikedep333my macbook was 160GB/2GB15:59
mikedep333now it' 500GB/4GB16:00
rmg51running XP with 1 gig of ram16:00
mikedep333XP can run well with 1GB if you avoid bloatware16:00
rmg51still have it but now on Ubuntu16:00
mikedep333which requires technical skills that only like 5% of all computer users have16:00
mikedep333oh, one big piece of advise16:00
rmg51all of 7 years old16:00
mikedep333reportedly flash is very unstable on 64-bit ubuntu compared to 32-bit16:01
mikedep333I am putting 32-bit ubuntu on all my systems other than my server(s)16:01
rmg51mine is the other way around16:01
mikedep333rmg51: your laptop has a pentium-m?16:01
mikedep333a core duo?16:01
rmg51this one is dual core16:01
mikedep333the core duo replaced the pentium-m in early 200616:01
mikedep333then the core 2 duo replaced it in like late 200616:02
rmg51core 2 duo16:02
mikedep333I bought my core 2 duo motherboard/cpu back in like september/august 2006, as soon as it was available16:02
rmg51T235016:02
mikedep333http://ark.intel.com/Product.aspx?id=2975116:03
PennBotTitle: Intel® Core™ Duo Processor T2350 (2M Cache, 1.86 GHz, 533 MHz FSB)with SPEC Code(s)SL9JK (at ark.intel.com)16:03
rmg51this goes back 4 years16:03
mikedep333the T22350 is a "Core Duo"16:03
mikedep333*T235016:03
rmg51Aug 200716:03
mikedep333but anyway, now is a good time to buy a new intel laptop since the really nice 2nd-gen core i3/i5/i7's are out16:04
mikedep333and they're a lot better16:04
mikedep333and the 1st gen machines are often marked down16:04
rmg51bough it not to long after Dell started to offer Ubuntu16:04
mikedep333yeah16:04
mikedep333AMD is going to release their "fusion" processors next month16:05
mikedep333the ones with the extremely good integrated graphics built into the CPU's16:05
rmg51now that I have 9,763 mp3's I need a larger harddrive16:05
mikedep333now that the graphics is doing OpenCL and all to accelerate other stuff16:05
mikedep333rmg51: aren't they only taking up like 40GB?16:06
mikedep333I bought a 500GB laptop HDD for $5016:06
rmg51closer to 5016:06
rmg51this thing only has 160 gigs16:06
mikedep333but laptop manufacturers often put like 250GB HDDs in the base model and then mark up the one swith like 500GB16:06
mikedep333rmg51: yeah16:06
rmg51and I leave this thing on 24/716:07
mikedep333rmg51: yeah, I'm scared of leaving my laptops on 24/716:07
mikedep333at least when replacing the fan is non-trivial16:07
mikedep333I leave desktops on 24/7 a lot16:07
mikedep333and my server(s) of course16:07
rmg51I don't need wireless go just bye-bye whenevere it wants16:07
mikedep333rmg51: right16:08
mikedep333rmg51: it may not be a hardware issue though16:08
mikedep333you could try running an opensuse or fedora live CD and see if the problem persists16:08
mikedep333anyway, bathroom16:08
rmg51like I said before, this is the second time this has happened16:08
mikedep333rmg51: yeah, but it could be a distro-specific issue16:11
rmg51works fine on Teddy's16:12
mikedep333if I were you, I'd burn the opensuse or fedora live CD and see if the problem persists before I buy a new high-end laptop16:12
rmg51messed up bad on Teddy's old Dell16:12
mikedep333if you need to do a live USB key, I can help you wit htaht16:12
mikedep333*that16:12
rmg51had to use wicd on that to get wireless16:13
mikedep333I'm not sure what those 2 distros are using to manage their wired/wireless adapters16:13
mikedep333now that is16:13
mikedep333anyway, I'll bbl16:14
rmg51I also keep an external install around16:14
rmg51that upgrade went fine16:15
InHisNameUpgrading from 10.04 -> 10.10   grub error -- can't find grub_xputs22:50
InHisNamenow at grub_rescue prompt.   What can I try there ?22:50

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