[00:17] <Irishmanluke> hello teddy-dbear
[00:17] <teddy-dbear> o/
[00:47] <teddy-dbear> it's the moment of truth.... will it boot... will there be problems?
[00:49] <teddy-dbear> will network manger work better then it has been?
[00:50] <teddy-dbear> doesn't like the hardware and won't run Unity
[00:55] <teddy-dbear> silly Nvidia drivers
[01:09] <teddy-dbear> well that didn't work
[01:11] <teddy-dbear> without the nvidia driver compiz doesn't work now there is only a blank screen :-(
[01:11] <teddy-dbear> and it won't reboot
[01:16] <teddy-dbear> it will boot into recovery mode but not regular mode :P
[01:45] <teddy-dbear> that's better
[01:45] <teddy-dbear> back to normal
[01:48] <ssweeny> oh man the tiredness
[01:51] <knightzero> rmg51: how'd it go?
[01:52] <rmg51> compiz isn't working right
[01:53] <rmg51> had trouble getting to boot
[01:54] <rmg51> seems to be working now
[01:54] <rmg51> just can't flip the cube :-/
[01:55] <knightzero> I had to fiddle around in the compiz config manager to get it working again.
[01:56] <rmg51> everything is set. it just won't spin
[02:31] <rmg51> that explains the cube not working
[02:32] <rmg51> nvidia drives are active but not in use
[02:32] <rmg51> so much for compiz
[02:34] <waltman> Tired
[02:54] <rmg51> done for the night
[02:54] <teddy-dbear> nite-nite :-[
[03:13] <InHisName> any one left after teddy left ?
[03:13] <knightzero> None that I can see.
[03:18] <mikedep333> http://lxde.org/
[10:04] <InHisName> Good Morning everybody and JonathanD too.
[11:06] <JonathanD> Morning.
[11:38] <rmg51> morning JonathanD
[11:38] <JonathanD> howdy.
[12:27] <rmg51> now I have no wireless
[12:28] <rmg51> 11.04 has broken too many things for my taste
[12:36] <rmg51> wireless is dead
[12:36] <mikedep333> rmg51: which wi-fi chipset?
[12:36] <rmg51> I have to look it up
[12:36] <mikedep333> lspci would be sufficient
[12:37] <mikedep333> or if you know the model name
[12:39] <rmg51>  Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/PM/GMS, 943/940GML and 945GT
[12:42] <rmg51> this happened once before and I fixed it with a clean install
[12:48] <mikedep333> rmg51: that's a northbridge chipset family
[12:48] <mikedep333> lspci should list something like  "04:00:0 Ethernet Controller: <this-is-the-model-or-chipset-name>
[12:49] <mikedep333> also
[12:49] <mikedep333> you might want to grep dmesg for 'firmware'
[12:49] <mikedep333> if your chipset requires binary blob firmware to be loaded
[12:50] <rmg51>  Ethernet controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4401-B0 100Base-TX
[12:50] <mikedep333> ok, that's wired
[12:50] <mikedep333> I think it uses the same prefix for a wi-fi one
[12:58] <rmg51> Intel(R) PRO/Wireless 3945ABG/BG
[12:59] <rmg51> picked the wrong one :-/
[13:05] <mikedep333> rmg51: that should be very well supported
[13:05] <mikedep333> I will still grep dmesg for 'firmware'
[13:05] <rmg51> I did
[13:05] <rmg51> couldn't find anything
[13:05] <mikedep333> http://intellinuxwireless.org/
[13:05] <PennBot> Title: Intel Wireless WiFi Link drivers for Linux* (at intellinuxwireless.org)
[13:05] <mikedep333> run lsmod
[13:06] <mikedep333> see if "iwlwifi" has been loaded
[13:06] <rmg51> 12.366293] iwl3945 0000:0b:00.0: Detected Intel Wireless WiFi Link 3945ABG
[13:06] <mikedep333> here used to be a driver specific for the 3945 hardware (ipw3945 hosted on ipw3945.sourceforge.net). This project is deprecated, please use the iwlwifi driver instead.
[13:06] <mikedep333> did you upgrade from a previous release?
[13:07] <rmg51> yep
[13:07] <mikedep333> maybe it's trying to use the old driver
[13:07] <mikedep333> run lsmod and see what driver is loaded
[13:07] <rmg51> it was working for a short time
[13:07] <rmg51> I've had trouble with wifi for a while
[13:08] <mikedep333> rmg51, ok, but can you please run lsmod and see what driver is loaded?
[13:08] <rmg51> always lost the connection
[13:08] <rmg51> one moment
[13:09] <mikedep333> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1748677
[13:09] <PennBot> Title: [ubuntu] new to ubuntu wireless troubles with Intel 3945ABG - Ubuntu Forums (at ubuntuforums.org)
[13:10] <mikedep333> reportedly it instantly fixed it to manually load the module: sudo modprobe iwl3945
[13:10] <mikedep333> and then: echo iwl3945 >> /etc/modules
[13:11] <rmg51> doesn't look like any driver is loaded
[13:11] <mikedep333> yeah
[13:11] <mikedep333> try: sudo modprobe iwl3945
[13:13] <mikedep333> it looks like the 'iwl' project includes multiple modules
[13:13] <mikedep333> such as 'iwlagn'
[13:13] <mikedep333> but the one for your chipset is 'iwl3945'
[13:14] <mikedep333> if the old driver, 'ipw3945' was loaded, that would be an issue
[13:14] <rmg51> iwl3945: Intel(R) PRO/Wireless 3945ABG/BG Network Connection driver for Linux, in-tree:s
[13:14] <mikedep333> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+source/module-init-tools/+bug/747025
[13:14] <PennBot> Title: Bug #747025 in module-init-tools (Ubuntu Natty): “Modprobe passes 11n_disable=1 option to iwl3945 which doesn't support the option” (at bugs.launchpad.net)
[13:15] <rmg51> iwl3945 0000:0b:00.0: Detected Intel Wireless WiFi Link 3945ABG
[13:15] <mikedep333> iwl3945: Unknown option: 11n_disable
[13:15] <mikedep333> A temporary workaround is to remove /etc/modprobe.d/intel-3945-iwlagn-disable11n.conf file and then run sudo modprobe iwl3945 .
[13:24] <mikedep333> does anyone know if there is a preferred distro for trying out GNOME 3.0?
[13:27] <rmg51> cannot remove `/etc/modprobe.d/intel-3945-iwlagn-disable11n.conf': No such file or directory
[13:27] <mikedep333> rmg51: ok
[13:27] <mikedep333> does iwl3945 stay loaded when you load it?
[13:27] <mikedep333> load it manually that is
[13:28] <rmg51>  Type:              802.11 WiFi
[13:28] <rmg51>   Driver:            iwl3945
[13:28] <rmg51>   State:             unavailable
[13:28] <mikedep333> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1748677
[13:28] <PennBot> Title: [ubuntu] new to ubuntu wireless troubles with Intel 3945ABG - Ubuntu Forums (at ubuntuforums.org)
[13:28] <mikedep333> try the: rfkill list all
[13:28] <mikedep333> what command did you run for that output?
[13:29] <mikedep333> rfkill handles the hardware buttons for disabling wi-fi
[13:29] <rmg51>  12.312218] iwl3945: Intel(R) PRO/Wireless 3945ABG/BG Network Connection driver for Linux, in-tree:s
[13:29] <rmg51> [   12.312224] iwl3945: Copyright(c) 2003-2010 Intel Corporation
[13:29] <rmg51> [   12.312312] iwl3945 0000:0b:00.0: PCI INT A -> GSI 16 (level, low) -> IRQ 16
[13:29] <rmg51> [   12.312328] iwl3945 0000:0b:00.0: setting latency timer to 64
[13:29] <rmg51> [   12.366287] iwl3945 0000:0b:00.0: Tunable channels: 11 802.11bg, 13 802.11a channels
[13:29] <rmg51> [   12.366293] iwl3945 0000:0b:00.0: Detected Intel Wireless WiFi Link 3945ABG
[13:29] <rmg51> [   12.366453] iwl3945 0000:0b:00.0: irq 43 for MSI/MSI-X
[13:29] <rmg51> [   12.987373] ieee80211 phy0: Selected rate control algorithm 'iwl-3945-rs'
[13:30] <rmg51> any more then that and I'll flood the channel
[13:30] <rmg51> but that was everything
[13:30] <mikedep333> ok, try the rfkill command
[13:30] <mikedep333> and verify that it is still loaded
[13:32] <rmg51> 0: dell-wifi: Wireless LAN
[13:32] <rmg51> 	Soft blocked: yes
[13:32] <rmg51> 	Hard blocked: no
[13:32] <rmg51> 1: phy0: Wireless LAN
[13:32] <rmg51> 	Soft blocked: no
[13:32] <rmg51> 	Hard blocked: yes
[13:32] <mikedep333> oh, god
[13:32] <mikedep333> I ran into this issue on my dell studio 14z
[13:33] <mikedep333> when I tried to replace the dell wi-fi card, I had issues like this
[13:33] <mikedep333> where it thinks there's 2nd wifi card by dell
[13:34] <mikedep333> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/523143
[13:34] <PennBot> Title: Bug #523143 in linux (Ubuntu): “Wireless RFKILL defaults to on (wireless off) and can't be turned off.” (at bugs.launchpad.net)
[13:35] <mikedep333> "I since managed to solve this problem on my (dell) laptop by disabling a specific kernel module called "dell-laptop"."
[13:36] <rmg51> nm won't even let me enable wireless
[13:36] <mikedep333> rmg51: yeah, because of an rfkill
[13:36] <mikedep333> try: rmmod dell_laptop
[13:36] <mikedep333> and then: rfkill list
[13:36] <mikedep333> or rather: rfkill list all
[13:37] <rmg51> command not found
[13:37] <mikedep333> rmg51: sudo rmmod dell_laptop
[13:38] <rmg51> did that
[13:38] <mikedep333> rmg51: I would be totally amazed if "rmmod" was not available on your system
[13:38] <rmg51> ERROR: Module dell_laptop does not exist in /proc/modules
[13:38] <mikedep333> r m m o d
[13:39] <rmg51> copied and pasted
[13:39] <mikedep333> rmg51: ok
[13:39] <mikedep333> try running: lsmod | grep dell
[13:40] <rmg51> dell_wmi               12601  0
[13:40] <rmg51> sparse_keymap          13666  1 dell_wmi
[13:40] <rmg51> not much there
[13:41] <mikedep333> rmg51: I believe the crux of the problem is that your wi-fi adapter has a hard block with rfkill
[13:41] <mikedep333> as seen with: rfkill list all
 0: dell-wifi: Wireless LAN
  Soft blocked: yes
  Hard blocked: no
 1: phy0: Wireless LAN
  Soft blocked: no
  Hard blocked: yes
[13:42] <rmg51> looks like this is now a desktop computer
[13:42] <mikedep333> rmg51: have you tried pressing the wi-fi hardware button or Fn button on your laptop?
[13:43] <rmg51> like I said before, this happened once before and I fixed it with a clean install
[13:43] <mikedep333> rmg51: ok
[13:43] <rmg51> fn F2 does nothing
[13:43] <rmg51> wait
[13:43] <rmg51> light just came on :-D
[13:44] <mikedep333> rmg51: :D
[13:44] <rmg51> I have wifi
[13:44] <mikedep333> ahh, a simple solution to a complex problem
[13:44] <rmg51> just don't ask how it was fixed
[13:44] <rmg51> no
[13:44] <rmg51> I tried that several times with no result
[13:45] <mikedep333> rmg51: as rfkill demonstrated, there was a block on the wi-fi, presumably by the button
[13:45] <mikedep333> rmg51: maybe iwl3945 wasn't loaded before?
[13:45] <rmg51> maybe
[13:45] <mikedep333> so both steps were necessary
[13:45] <mikedep333> I don't think it will hurt to echo iwl3945 > /etc/modules
[13:45] <rmg51> I pushed that button so many times there is no way to know if it was o or off
[13:45] <mikedep333> rmg51: right
[13:46] <rmg51> right now I am going to leave well enough alone :-/
[13:46] <mikedep333> rmg51: yeah, but you want it to work after you reboot, don't you?
[13:47] <rmg51> reboot? what's that?
[13:48] <rmg51> this laptop stay on all the time
[13:48] <rmg51> it just get rebooted for kernel updates
[13:48] <mikedep333> rmg51: one month for now when you have to do kernel updates, then you'll have to deal with this again
[13:49] <mikedep333> but echoing iwl3945 into /etc/modules might prevent that issue
[13:49] <rmg51> /etc/modules: Permission denied
[13:49] <rmg51> with sudo ^
[13:49] <mikedep333> run: sudo su first
[13:49] <mikedep333> it's annoying how you can't easily echo with sudo
[13:50] <mikedep333> WAIT
[13:50] <mikedep333> echo with >>
[13:51] <mikedep333> the only two lines in my /etc/modules are:
[13:51] <mikedep333> lp
[13:51] <mikedep333> rtc
[13:52] <mikedep333> in case you overwrote it
[13:52] <rmg51> I'm not showing anything
[13:52] <mikedep333> rmg51: cat /etc/modules
[13:52] <mikedep333> ignore the comments
[13:53] <rmg51> nothing
[13:54] <mikedep333> hmm, crap
[13:54] <mikedep333> when was /etc/modules modified?
[13:54] <mikedep333> eg, 1 minute ago?
[13:54] <mikedep333> or days ago when ubuntu developers prepared it?
[13:55] <rmg51> no way to know
[13:55] <mikedep333> rmg51: loook at the timestamp
[13:55] <mikedep333> right click on the file in nautilus and go to properties
[13:56] <mikedep333> or run: ls -l /etc/modules
[13:58] <mikedep333> or was it modified hours ago or so when you upgraded to natty?
[13:58] <rmg51> upgraded yesterday
[13:58] <mikedep333> rmg51: ok, good
[13:58] <mikedep333> that's when you upgraded to natty?
[13:59] <rmg51> dated today ay 8:51
[13:59] <mikedep333> oh, crap
[13:59] <mikedep333> then we overwrote it
[13:59] <rmg51> iwl3945
[13:59] <rmg51> that's all that is there
[13:59] <mikedep333> run: lsmod | grep lp
[14:00] <mikedep333> lsmod | grep rtc
[14:00] <mikedep333> my other system only has 'lp' in that file
[14:01] <rmg51> root@rmg:~#  lsmod | grep lp
[14:01] <rmg51> lp                     13349  0
[14:01] <rmg51> parport                36746  3 parport_pc,ppdev,lp
[14:02] <rmg51> rtc returns nothing
[14:02] <mikedep333> rmg51: ok
[14:02] <mikedep333> after running: sudo su
[14:02] <mikedep333> run: echo lp >> /etc/modules
[14:02] <mikedep333> that will add 'lp' to a line on the end of the file
[14:03] <mikedep333> rmg51: to be honeset and upfront with you, the comamnd that I told you to run: "echo iwl3945 > /etc/modules" overwrote the file and may have messed up something else
[14:03] <mikedep333> but most likely not
[14:04] <rmg51> one way to find out is to just reboot and see what happens
[14:04] <mikedep333> rmg51: ok!
[14:05] <rmg51> back shortly
[14:05] <mikedep333> ok, I'll be here
[14:05] <rmg51> I hope =-O
[14:07] <mikedep333> hurray, you're back
[14:07] <rmg51> and the wifi light is still on :-D
[14:07] <mikedep333> :-D
[14:07] <mikedep333> well, there
[14:07] <rmg51> time for breakfast
[14:07] <mikedep333> my work here is done
[14:08] <mikedep333> rmg51: I had breakfast at my desk while helping you
[14:08] <rmg51> is it time for a nap?
[14:08] <mikedep333> I'll be around later
[14:08] <mikedep333> I'm going for a walk at the mall.
[14:08] <mikedep333> probably grabbing coffee too
[14:08] <rmg51> I should be good now
[14:08] <mikedep333> rmg51: enjoy!
[14:09] <rmg51> now if only when I disconnect the cat5 wireless doesn't keep disconnecting me :-/
[14:12] <mikedep333> rmg51: sigh, I'll see if I can help you with that later
[15:35] <rmg51> once again wireless is dead
[15:35] <rmg51> died all by itself :-(
[15:35] <JonathanD> awesome.
[15:38] <rmg51> back to being a desktop computer
[15:38] <rmg51> either that or just do a clean install
[15:44] <mikedep333> rmg51: I'm here
[15:44] <mikedep333> do you want me to help you or do you want to just do a clean install?
[15:45] <rmg51> wireless doesn't like this laptop
[15:45] <rmg51> we can go back over everything but it will probably just break again
[15:46] <mikedep333> rmg51: whatever you'd like
[15:46] <mikedep333> I'm the fix-it kind of person.
[15:46] <mikedep333> but I have thing to do today
[15:46] <rmg51> this just happened
[15:46] <mikedep333> *things
[15:46] <rmg51> one second it's connected the next it wasn't
[15:48] <rmg51> I'm just going to let it go for now
[15:49] <rmg51> I've been thinking about buying a new laptop to solve all the little problems that this one has
[15:50] <mikedep333> rmg51: I help people get affordable deals all the time
[15:50] <mikedep333> http://www.dealigg.com/story-Sony-VPCEE42FX-T-15-5-Notebook
[15:51] <PennBot> Title: Best Deal: Sony VPCEE42FX/T 15.5" Notebook (at www.dealigg.com)
[15:51] <mikedep333> I check dealigg.com & xpbargains.com a lot
[15:51] <mikedep333> http://shop3.frys.com/product/6598753
[15:51] <PennBot> Title: FRYS.com | SonyFRYS.com (at shop3.frys.com)
[15:51] <rmg51> prolly go with System76 again
[15:51] <mikedep333> I don't know how good that laptop is with linux/ubuntu though
[15:51] <mikedep333> rmg51: cool!
[15:51] <mikedep333> as long as you can afford it
[15:51] <rmg51> already have one of theirs
[15:52] <mikedep333> which one?
[15:52] <PennBot> which one is it, mikedep333
[15:52] <rmg51> or at least Teddy does :-[
[15:52] <rmg51> I can never remember the names
[15:53] <mikedep333> http://www.system76.com/index.php?cPath=28
[15:53] <PennBot> Title: Ubuntu Laptop Computers - System76 (at www.system76.com)
[15:53] <mikedep333> seriously though
[15:53] <rmg51> bought it a year ago
[15:53] <mikedep333> lots people want affordable 15" and 17" laptops
[15:53] <rmg51> Teddy's laptop is not there
[15:53] <mikedep333> they're almost following the apple strategy by making their 15" laptop start at $,225
[15:54] <mikedep333> their minimum 15" model has a quad-core core i7
[15:54] <mikedep333> one nice thing though
[15:55] <rmg51> Pangolin
[15:55] <mikedep333> their netbooks don't adhere to the windows 7 starter limitations
[15:55] <mikedep333> like only having 1GB of RAM
[15:55] <mikedep333> or max 160/250GB HDD
[15:55] <rmg51> Teddy's is a quad core
[15:55] <rmg51> i7 720
[15:55] <mikedep333> rmg51: yeah
[15:56] <mikedep333> note that all the core i3/i5/i7 with a 4 digit number like "2310" are the next generation
[15:56] <rmg51> 6 gigs of ram
[15:56] <mikedep333> the big difference is that their graphics are much better
[15:56] <rmg51> with ati graphics
[15:56] <mikedep333> rmg51: I upgrade the RAM and HDD in my (friends') laptop(s)/netbook(s) all the time
[15:57] <mikedep333> RAM is about $10/GB
[15:57] <mikedep333> although cheap laptop/netbook motherboards often only support 2-4GB max
[15:57] <mikedep333> ie, 1 or 2 slots that can only handle sticks upto 2GB
[15:57] <rmg51> I like to over buy a little
[15:58] <mikedep333> rmg51: well, computer's are an investment in yourself
[15:58] <mikedep333> *computers
[15:58] <rmg51> that way I can use it for a longer time
[15:58] <mikedep333> rmg51: yeah
[15:58] <mikedep333> back in the old day getting the most expensive computer didn't help too much
[15:58] <mikedep333> as long as you were comfortable with upgrading the RAM on your own later
[15:58] <mikedep333> or just maxing out the RAM
[15:59] <mikedep333> going from a $200 CPU to a $500 CPU offered like 25% more performance
[15:59] <rmg51> I did that with my first laptop
[15:59] <mikedep333> but now, when you go upto a $500 CPU you double the cores for example
[15:59] <rmg51> back when I only used Windows
[15:59] <mikedep333> so you get like double the performance
[15:59] <mikedep333> rmg51: yeah
[15:59] <mikedep333> my macbook was 160GB/2GB
[16:00] <mikedep333> now it' 500GB/4GB
[16:00] <rmg51> running XP with 1 gig of ram
[16:00] <mikedep333> XP can run well with 1GB if you avoid bloatware
[16:00] <rmg51> still have it but now on Ubuntu
[16:00] <mikedep333> which requires technical skills that only like 5% of all computer users have
[16:00] <mikedep333> oh, one big piece of advise
[16:00] <rmg51> all of 7 years old
[16:01] <mikedep333> reportedly flash is very unstable on 64-bit ubuntu compared to 32-bit
[16:01] <mikedep333> I am putting 32-bit ubuntu on all my systems other than my server(s)
[16:01] <rmg51> mine is the other way around
[16:01] <mikedep333> rmg51: your laptop has a pentium-m?
[16:01] <mikedep333> a core duo?
[16:01] <rmg51> this one is dual core
[16:01] <mikedep333> the core duo replaced the pentium-m in early 2006
[16:02] <mikedep333> then the core 2 duo replaced it in like late 2006
[16:02] <rmg51> core 2 duo
[16:02] <mikedep333> I bought my core 2 duo motherboard/cpu back in like september/august 2006, as soon as it was available
[16:02] <rmg51> T2350
[16:03] <mikedep333> http://ark.intel.com/Product.aspx?id=29751
[16:03] <PennBot> Title: Intel® Core™ Duo Processor T2350 (2M Cache, 1.86 GHz, 533 MHz FSB)with SPEC Code(s)SL9JK (at ark.intel.com)
[16:03] <rmg51> this goes back 4 years
[16:03] <mikedep333> the T22350 is a "Core Duo"
[16:03] <mikedep333> *T2350
[16:03] <rmg51> Aug 2007
[16:04] <mikedep333> but anyway, now is a good time to buy a new intel laptop since the really nice 2nd-gen core i3/i5/i7's are out
[16:04] <mikedep333> and they're a lot better
[16:04] <mikedep333> and the 1st gen machines are often marked down
[16:04] <rmg51> bough it not to long after Dell started to offer Ubuntu
[16:04] <mikedep333> yeah
[16:05] <mikedep333> AMD is going to release their "fusion" processors next month
[16:05] <mikedep333> the ones with the extremely good integrated graphics built into the CPU's
[16:05] <rmg51> now that I have 9,763 mp3's I need a larger harddrive
[16:05] <mikedep333> now that the graphics is doing OpenCL and all to accelerate other stuff
[16:06] <mikedep333> rmg51: aren't they only taking up like 40GB?
[16:06] <mikedep333> I bought a 500GB laptop HDD for $50
[16:06] <rmg51> closer to 50
[16:06] <rmg51> this thing only has 160 gigs
[16:06] <mikedep333> but laptop manufacturers often put like 250GB HDDs in the base model and then mark up the one swith like 500GB
[16:06] <mikedep333> rmg51: yeah
[16:07] <rmg51> and I leave this thing on 24/7
[16:07] <mikedep333> rmg51: yeah, I'm scared of leaving my laptops on 24/7
[16:07] <mikedep333> at least when replacing the fan is non-trivial
[16:07] <mikedep333> I leave desktops on 24/7 a lot
[16:07] <mikedep333> and my server(s) of course
[16:07] <rmg51> I don't need wireless go just bye-bye whenevere it wants
[16:08] <mikedep333> rmg51: right
[16:08] <mikedep333> rmg51: it may not be a hardware issue though
[16:08] <mikedep333> you could try running an opensuse or fedora live CD and see if the problem persists
[16:08] <mikedep333> anyway, bathroom
[16:08] <rmg51> like I said before, this is the second time this has happened
[16:11] <mikedep333> rmg51: yeah, but it could be a distro-specific issue
[16:12] <rmg51> works fine on Teddy's
[16:12] <mikedep333> if I were you, I'd burn the opensuse or fedora live CD and see if the problem persists before I buy a new high-end laptop
[16:12] <rmg51> messed up bad on Teddy's old Dell
[16:12] <mikedep333> if you need to do a live USB key, I can help you wit htaht
[16:12] <mikedep333> *that
[16:13] <rmg51> had to use wicd on that to get wireless
[16:13] <mikedep333> I'm not sure what those 2 distros are using to manage their wired/wireless adapters
[16:13] <mikedep333> now that is
[16:14] <mikedep333> anyway, I'll bbl
[16:14] <rmg51> I also keep an external install around
[16:15] <rmg51> that upgrade went fine
[22:50] <InHisName> Upgrading from 10.04 -> 10.10   grub error -- can't find grub_xputs
[22:50] <InHisName> now at grub_rescue prompt.   What can I try there ?