[00:17] hello teddy-dbear [00:17] o/ [00:47] it's the moment of truth.... will it boot... will there be problems? [00:49] will network manger work better then it has been? [00:50] doesn't like the hardware and won't run Unity [00:55] silly Nvidia drivers [01:09] well that didn't work [01:11] without the nvidia driver compiz doesn't work now there is only a blank screen :-( [01:11] and it won't reboot [01:16] it will boot into recovery mode but not regular mode :P [01:45] that's better [01:45] back to normal [01:48] oh man the tiredness [01:51] rmg51: how'd it go? [01:52] compiz isn't working right [01:53] had trouble getting to boot [01:54] seems to be working now [01:54] just can't flip the cube :-/ [01:55] I had to fiddle around in the compiz config manager to get it working again. [01:56] everything is set. it just won't spin [02:31] that explains the cube not working [02:32] nvidia drives are active but not in use [02:32] so much for compiz [02:34] Tired [02:54] done for the night [02:54] nite-nite :-[ [03:13] any one left after teddy left ? [03:13] None that I can see. [03:18] http://lxde.org/ [10:04] Good Morning everybody and JonathanD too. [11:06] Morning. [11:38] morning JonathanD [11:38] howdy. [12:27] now I have no wireless [12:28] 11.04 has broken too many things for my taste [12:36] wireless is dead [12:36] rmg51: which wi-fi chipset? [12:36] I have to look it up [12:36] lspci would be sufficient [12:37] or if you know the model name [12:39] Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/PM/GMS, 943/940GML and 945GT [12:42] this happened once before and I fixed it with a clean install [12:48] rmg51: that's a northbridge chipset family [12:48] lspci should list something like "04:00:0 Ethernet Controller: [12:49] also [12:49] you might want to grep dmesg for 'firmware' [12:49] if your chipset requires binary blob firmware to be loaded [12:50] Ethernet controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4401-B0 100Base-TX [12:50] ok, that's wired [12:50] I think it uses the same prefix for a wi-fi one [12:58] Intel(R) PRO/Wireless 3945ABG/BG [12:59] picked the wrong one :-/ [13:05] rmg51: that should be very well supported [13:05] I will still grep dmesg for 'firmware' [13:05] I did [13:05] couldn't find anything [13:05] http://intellinuxwireless.org/ [13:05] Title: Intel Wireless WiFi Link drivers for Linux* (at intellinuxwireless.org) [13:05] run lsmod [13:06] see if "iwlwifi" has been loaded [13:06] 12.366293] iwl3945 0000:0b:00.0: Detected Intel Wireless WiFi Link 3945ABG [13:06] here used to be a driver specific for the 3945 hardware (ipw3945 hosted on ipw3945.sourceforge.net). This project is deprecated, please use the iwlwifi driver instead. [13:06] did you upgrade from a previous release? [13:07] yep [13:07] maybe it's trying to use the old driver [13:07] run lsmod and see what driver is loaded [13:07] it was working for a short time [13:07] I've had trouble with wifi for a while [13:08] rmg51, ok, but can you please run lsmod and see what driver is loaded? [13:08] always lost the connection [13:08] one moment [13:09] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1748677 [13:09] Title: [ubuntu] new to ubuntu wireless troubles with Intel 3945ABG - Ubuntu Forums (at ubuntuforums.org) [13:10] reportedly it instantly fixed it to manually load the module: sudo modprobe iwl3945 [13:10] and then: echo iwl3945 >> /etc/modules [13:11] doesn't look like any driver is loaded [13:11] yeah [13:11] try: sudo modprobe iwl3945 [13:13] it looks like the 'iwl' project includes multiple modules [13:13] such as 'iwlagn' [13:13] but the one for your chipset is 'iwl3945' [13:14] if the old driver, 'ipw3945' was loaded, that would be an issue [13:14] iwl3945: Intel(R) PRO/Wireless 3945ABG/BG Network Connection driver for Linux, in-tree:s [13:14] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+source/module-init-tools/+bug/747025 [13:14] Title: Bug #747025 in module-init-tools (Ubuntu Natty): “Modprobe passes 11n_disable=1 option to iwl3945 which doesn't support the option” (at bugs.launchpad.net) [13:15] iwl3945 0000:0b:00.0: Detected Intel Wireless WiFi Link 3945ABG [13:15] iwl3945: Unknown option: 11n_disable [13:15] A temporary workaround is to remove /etc/modprobe.d/intel-3945-iwlagn-disable11n.conf file and then run sudo modprobe iwl3945 . [13:24] does anyone know if there is a preferred distro for trying out GNOME 3.0? [13:27] cannot remove `/etc/modprobe.d/intel-3945-iwlagn-disable11n.conf': No such file or directory [13:27] rmg51: ok [13:27] does iwl3945 stay loaded when you load it? [13:27] load it manually that is [13:28] Type: 802.11 WiFi [13:28] Driver: iwl3945 [13:28] State: unavailable [13:28] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1748677 [13:28] Title: [ubuntu] new to ubuntu wireless troubles with Intel 3945ABG - Ubuntu Forums (at ubuntuforums.org) [13:28] try the: rfkill list all [13:28] what command did you run for that output? [13:29] rfkill handles the hardware buttons for disabling wi-fi [13:29] 12.312218] iwl3945: Intel(R) PRO/Wireless 3945ABG/BG Network Connection driver for Linux, in-tree:s [13:29] [ 12.312224] iwl3945: Copyright(c) 2003-2010 Intel Corporation [13:29] [ 12.312312] iwl3945 0000:0b:00.0: PCI INT A -> GSI 16 (level, low) -> IRQ 16 [13:29] [ 12.312328] iwl3945 0000:0b:00.0: setting latency timer to 64 [13:29] [ 12.366287] iwl3945 0000:0b:00.0: Tunable channels: 11 802.11bg, 13 802.11a channels [13:29] [ 12.366293] iwl3945 0000:0b:00.0: Detected Intel Wireless WiFi Link 3945ABG [13:29] [ 12.366453] iwl3945 0000:0b:00.0: irq 43 for MSI/MSI-X [13:29] [ 12.987373] ieee80211 phy0: Selected rate control algorithm 'iwl-3945-rs' [13:30] any more then that and I'll flood the channel [13:30] but that was everything [13:30] ok, try the rfkill command [13:30] and verify that it is still loaded [13:32] 0: dell-wifi: Wireless LAN [13:32] Soft blocked: yes [13:32] Hard blocked: no [13:32] 1: phy0: Wireless LAN [13:32] Soft blocked: no [13:32] Hard blocked: yes [13:32] oh, god [13:32] I ran into this issue on my dell studio 14z [13:33] when I tried to replace the dell wi-fi card, I had issues like this [13:33] where it thinks there's 2nd wifi card by dell [13:34] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/523143 [13:34] Title: Bug #523143 in linux (Ubuntu): “Wireless RFKILL defaults to on (wireless off) and can't be turned off.” (at bugs.launchpad.net) [13:35] "I since managed to solve this problem on my (dell) laptop by disabling a specific kernel module called "dell-laptop"." [13:36] nm won't even let me enable wireless [13:36] rmg51: yeah, because of an rfkill [13:36] try: rmmod dell_laptop [13:36] and then: rfkill list [13:36] or rather: rfkill list all [13:37] command not found [13:37] rmg51: sudo rmmod dell_laptop [13:38] did that [13:38] rmg51: I would be totally amazed if "rmmod" was not available on your system [13:38] ERROR: Module dell_laptop does not exist in /proc/modules [13:38] r m m o d [13:39] copied and pasted [13:39] rmg51: ok [13:39] try running: lsmod | grep dell [13:40] dell_wmi 12601 0 [13:40] sparse_keymap 13666 1 dell_wmi [13:40] not much there [13:41] rmg51: I believe the crux of the problem is that your wi-fi adapter has a hard block with rfkill [13:41] as seen with: rfkill list all [13:41] 0: dell-wifi: Wireless LAN [13:41] Soft blocked: yes [13:41] Hard blocked: no [13:41] 1: phy0: Wireless LAN [13:41] Soft blocked: no [13:41] Hard blocked: yes [13:42] looks like this is now a desktop computer [13:42] rmg51: have you tried pressing the wi-fi hardware button or Fn button on your laptop? [13:43] like I said before, this happened once before and I fixed it with a clean install [13:43] rmg51: ok [13:43] fn F2 does nothing [13:43] wait [13:43] light just came on :-D [13:44] rmg51: :D [13:44] I have wifi [13:44] ahh, a simple solution to a complex problem [13:44] just don't ask how it was fixed [13:44] no [13:44] I tried that several times with no result [13:45] rmg51: as rfkill demonstrated, there was a block on the wi-fi, presumably by the button [13:45] rmg51: maybe iwl3945 wasn't loaded before? [13:45] maybe [13:45] so both steps were necessary [13:45] I don't think it will hurt to echo iwl3945 > /etc/modules [13:45] I pushed that button so many times there is no way to know if it was o or off [13:45] rmg51: right [13:46] right now I am going to leave well enough alone :-/ [13:46] rmg51: yeah, but you want it to work after you reboot, don't you? [13:47] reboot? what's that? [13:48] this laptop stay on all the time [13:48] it just get rebooted for kernel updates [13:48] rmg51: one month for now when you have to do kernel updates, then you'll have to deal with this again [13:49] but echoing iwl3945 into /etc/modules might prevent that issue [13:49] /etc/modules: Permission denied [13:49] with sudo ^ [13:49] run: sudo su first [13:49] it's annoying how you can't easily echo with sudo [13:50] WAIT [13:50] echo with >> [13:51] the only two lines in my /etc/modules are: [13:51] lp [13:51] rtc [13:52] in case you overwrote it [13:52] I'm not showing anything [13:52] rmg51: cat /etc/modules [13:52] ignore the comments [13:53] nothing [13:54] hmm, crap [13:54] when was /etc/modules modified? [13:54] eg, 1 minute ago? [13:54] or days ago when ubuntu developers prepared it? [13:55] no way to know [13:55] rmg51: loook at the timestamp [13:55] right click on the file in nautilus and go to properties [13:56] or run: ls -l /etc/modules [13:58] or was it modified hours ago or so when you upgraded to natty? [13:58] upgraded yesterday [13:58] rmg51: ok, good [13:58] that's when you upgraded to natty? [13:59] dated today ay 8:51 [13:59] oh, crap [13:59] then we overwrote it [13:59] iwl3945 [13:59] that's all that is there [13:59] run: lsmod | grep lp [14:00] lsmod | grep rtc [14:00] my other system only has 'lp' in that file [14:01] root@rmg:~# lsmod | grep lp [14:01] lp 13349 0 [14:01] parport 36746 3 parport_pc,ppdev,lp [14:02] rtc returns nothing [14:02] rmg51: ok [14:02] after running: sudo su [14:02] run: echo lp >> /etc/modules [14:02] that will add 'lp' to a line on the end of the file [14:03] rmg51: to be honeset and upfront with you, the comamnd that I told you to run: "echo iwl3945 > /etc/modules" overwrote the file and may have messed up something else [14:03] but most likely not [14:04] one way to find out is to just reboot and see what happens [14:04] rmg51: ok! [14:05] back shortly [14:05] ok, I'll be here [14:05] I hope =-O [14:07] hurray, you're back [14:07] and the wifi light is still on :-D [14:07] :-D [14:07] well, there [14:07] time for breakfast [14:07] my work here is done [14:08] rmg51: I had breakfast at my desk while helping you [14:08] is it time for a nap? [14:08] I'll be around later [14:08] I'm going for a walk at the mall. [14:08] probably grabbing coffee too [14:08] I should be good now [14:08] rmg51: enjoy! [14:09] now if only when I disconnect the cat5 wireless doesn't keep disconnecting me :-/ [14:12] rmg51: sigh, I'll see if I can help you with that later [15:35] once again wireless is dead [15:35] died all by itself :-( [15:35] awesome. [15:38] back to being a desktop computer [15:38] either that or just do a clean install [15:44] rmg51: I'm here [15:44] do you want me to help you or do you want to just do a clean install? [15:45] wireless doesn't like this laptop [15:45] we can go back over everything but it will probably just break again [15:46] rmg51: whatever you'd like [15:46] I'm the fix-it kind of person. [15:46] but I have thing to do today [15:46] this just happened [15:46] *things [15:46] one second it's connected the next it wasn't [15:48] I'm just going to let it go for now [15:49] I've been thinking about buying a new laptop to solve all the little problems that this one has [15:50] rmg51: I help people get affordable deals all the time [15:50] http://www.dealigg.com/story-Sony-VPCEE42FX-T-15-5-Notebook [15:51] Title: Best Deal: Sony VPCEE42FX/T 15.5" Notebook (at www.dealigg.com) [15:51] I check dealigg.com & xpbargains.com a lot [15:51] http://shop3.frys.com/product/6598753 [15:51] Title: FRYS.com | SonyFRYS.com (at shop3.frys.com) [15:51] prolly go with System76 again [15:51] I don't know how good that laptop is with linux/ubuntu though [15:51] rmg51: cool! [15:51] as long as you can afford it [15:51] already have one of theirs [15:52] which one? [15:52] which one is it, mikedep333 [15:52] or at least Teddy does :-[ [15:52] I can never remember the names [15:53] http://www.system76.com/index.php?cPath=28 [15:53] Title: Ubuntu Laptop Computers - System76 (at www.system76.com) [15:53] seriously though [15:53] bought it a year ago [15:53] lots people want affordable 15" and 17" laptops [15:53] Teddy's laptop is not there [15:53] they're almost following the apple strategy by making their 15" laptop start at $,225 [15:54] their minimum 15" model has a quad-core core i7 [15:54] one nice thing though [15:55] Pangolin [15:55] their netbooks don't adhere to the windows 7 starter limitations [15:55] like only having 1GB of RAM [15:55] or max 160/250GB HDD [15:55] Teddy's is a quad core [15:55] i7 720 [15:55] rmg51: yeah [15:56] note that all the core i3/i5/i7 with a 4 digit number like "2310" are the next generation [15:56] 6 gigs of ram [15:56] the big difference is that their graphics are much better [15:56] with ati graphics [15:56] rmg51: I upgrade the RAM and HDD in my (friends') laptop(s)/netbook(s) all the time [15:57] RAM is about $10/GB [15:57] although cheap laptop/netbook motherboards often only support 2-4GB max [15:57] ie, 1 or 2 slots that can only handle sticks upto 2GB [15:57] I like to over buy a little [15:58] rmg51: well, computer's are an investment in yourself [15:58] *computers [15:58] that way I can use it for a longer time [15:58] rmg51: yeah [15:58] back in the old day getting the most expensive computer didn't help too much [15:58] as long as you were comfortable with upgrading the RAM on your own later [15:58] or just maxing out the RAM [15:59] going from a $200 CPU to a $500 CPU offered like 25% more performance [15:59] I did that with my first laptop [15:59] but now, when you go upto a $500 CPU you double the cores for example [15:59] back when I only used Windows [15:59] so you get like double the performance [15:59] rmg51: yeah [15:59] my macbook was 160GB/2GB [16:00] now it' 500GB/4GB [16:00] running XP with 1 gig of ram [16:00] XP can run well with 1GB if you avoid bloatware [16:00] still have it but now on Ubuntu [16:00] which requires technical skills that only like 5% of all computer users have [16:00] oh, one big piece of advise [16:00] all of 7 years old [16:01] reportedly flash is very unstable on 64-bit ubuntu compared to 32-bit [16:01] I am putting 32-bit ubuntu on all my systems other than my server(s) [16:01] mine is the other way around [16:01] rmg51: your laptop has a pentium-m? [16:01] a core duo? [16:01] this one is dual core [16:01] the core duo replaced the pentium-m in early 2006 [16:02] then the core 2 duo replaced it in like late 2006 [16:02] core 2 duo [16:02] I bought my core 2 duo motherboard/cpu back in like september/august 2006, as soon as it was available [16:02] T2350 [16:03] http://ark.intel.com/Product.aspx?id=29751 [16:03] Title: Intel® Core™ Duo Processor T2350 (2M Cache, 1.86 GHz, 533 MHz FSB)with SPEC Code(s)SL9JK (at ark.intel.com) [16:03] this goes back 4 years [16:03] the T22350 is a "Core Duo" [16:03] *T2350 [16:03] Aug 2007 [16:04] but anyway, now is a good time to buy a new intel laptop since the really nice 2nd-gen core i3/i5/i7's are out [16:04] and they're a lot better [16:04] and the 1st gen machines are often marked down [16:04] bough it not to long after Dell started to offer Ubuntu [16:04] yeah [16:05] AMD is going to release their "fusion" processors next month [16:05] the ones with the extremely good integrated graphics built into the CPU's [16:05] now that I have 9,763 mp3's I need a larger harddrive [16:05] now that the graphics is doing OpenCL and all to accelerate other stuff [16:06] rmg51: aren't they only taking up like 40GB? [16:06] I bought a 500GB laptop HDD for $50 [16:06] closer to 50 [16:06] this thing only has 160 gigs [16:06] but laptop manufacturers often put like 250GB HDDs in the base model and then mark up the one swith like 500GB [16:06] rmg51: yeah [16:07] and I leave this thing on 24/7 [16:07] rmg51: yeah, I'm scared of leaving my laptops on 24/7 [16:07] at least when replacing the fan is non-trivial [16:07] I leave desktops on 24/7 a lot [16:07] and my server(s) of course [16:07] I don't need wireless go just bye-bye whenevere it wants [16:08] rmg51: right [16:08] rmg51: it may not be a hardware issue though [16:08] you could try running an opensuse or fedora live CD and see if the problem persists [16:08] anyway, bathroom [16:08] like I said before, this is the second time this has happened [16:11] rmg51: yeah, but it could be a distro-specific issue [16:12] works fine on Teddy's [16:12] if I were you, I'd burn the opensuse or fedora live CD and see if the problem persists before I buy a new high-end laptop [16:12] messed up bad on Teddy's old Dell [16:12] if you need to do a live USB key, I can help you wit htaht [16:12] *that [16:13] had to use wicd on that to get wireless [16:13] I'm not sure what those 2 distros are using to manage their wired/wireless adapters [16:13] now that is [16:14] anyway, I'll bbl [16:14] I also keep an external install around [16:15] that upgrade went fine [22:50] Upgrading from 10.04 -> 10.10 grub error -- can't find grub_xputs [22:50] now at grub_rescue prompt. What can I try there ?