[00:00] <roasted_> how can I manually move items in the taskbar?
[00:00] <roasted_> open windows that is
[00:03] <TheSheep> no idea, I don't use the taskbar
[00:03] <TheSheep> perhaps you can't
[00:05] <roasted_> sigh
[00:05] <roasted_> what do you use, a dock?
[00:06] <TheSheep> no, I just have lots of workspaces and a large workspace switcher
[00:06] <TheSheep> and when I need to find a window by name, I middle-click on the desktop
[00:06] <roasted_> I see
[00:07] <roasted_> I'll definitely use a taskbar
[00:07] <roasted_> we're contemplating ubuntu with xfce
[00:07] <roasted_> in replacement of windows at work
[00:07] <roasted_> I wouldn't want to drop the taskbar. they'd crap themselves :P
[00:07] <TheSheep> if it's for users others than you, perhaps you shouldn't customize it too much
[00:08] <TheSheep> it adds a lot of work later on
[00:08] <roasted_> I'm moving the bar to the bottom and making it a bit larger in size
[00:08] <roasted_> and adding some quick launch icons
[00:08] <roasted_> that's about it
[00:08] <roasted_> it's for a school district
[00:08] <roasted_> I work in IT at one
[00:08] <TheSheep> we did at at our university, and then the students came and complained that they installed ubuntu at home but it didn't look like the ones in the labs
[00:09] <TheSheep> it's much better if they can just install it and have it look the same
[00:09] <roasted_> I'm not worried about that. It's not like I'd be doing any massive changes.
[00:09] <TheSheep> even if it's different than windows
[00:09] <TheSheep> btw, have you seen lubuntu?
[00:09] <roasted_> yes
[00:10] <roasted_> I don't feel as though it's mature enough to deploy to 1,500 systems :P
[00:10] <roasted_> that I have to support
[00:10] <roasted_> Ubuntu was a sure-fire hit, but Unity and GNome Shell are too new to deploy as well
[00:10] <roasted_> XFCE is rock solid and simple.
[00:10] <TheSheep> well, I did have some minor hiccups in Natty
[00:10] <roasted_> where at?
[00:12] <TheSheep> making chromium the default browser, long delay in the 'create document' menu, renamed items in the apps menu that I had to remove again
[00:12] <roasted_> I had the same issue with chromium
[00:12] <roasted_> but it might be fixed
[00:12] <roasted_> as I just set chromium to be my default on this laptop
[00:12] <TheSheep> oh, and thunar is ignoring my icon theme and displaying folder icons from the gnome icon theme
[00:12] <roasted_> and I'm on 11.04 with ubuntu and xfce
[00:12] <TheSheep> roasted_: I found how to change it
[00:12] <duende> anybody have problems to play video in 11.04 ??? not are codecs restart X whent play video
[00:12] <duende> ????
[00:12] <TheSheep> roasted_: you have to edit /usr/share/defaults.list
[00:13] <einseeinai> guys, compiz ccsm and awn r gonna work ok in 11.04, right? i'm gonna install now
[00:13] <TheSheep> !r | einseeinai
[00:13] <TheSheep> !u | einseeinai
[00:14] <TheSheep> duende: works fine, I had to install xubuntu-restricted-extras though
[00:14] <TheSheep> einseeinai: they will work if your graphics card supports them
[00:14] <TheSheep> einseeinai: but you won't have much left from xubuntu
[00:15] <einseeinai> TheSheep, thanks, i mean won't they conflict with xfce native compositing?
 I too but the problem continue, and tvtime also restart X when I clic it
[00:16] <TheSheep> einseeinai: as soon as you run compiz, there is no xfce native compositing
[00:16] <TheSheep> einseeinai: because compiz replaces xfwm
[00:16] <TheSheep> duende: anything relevant in your ~/.xsessionerrors file?
 yes there are much things  :-/
[00:18] <einseeinai> TheSheep, thx a lot -) *gone to install*
[01:09] <EgotisticalElf> on the install process, does it do anything terribly long and UI blocking during the "Installing system" step?
[01:09] <EgotisticalElf> mine has been there for some time and i clicked the expand button to show the console output and it froze the UI
[01:11] <Soupermanito> not really, it depends on your system tho
[01:12] <EgotisticalElf> it's a p3-650 w/ 512mb memory
[01:12] <EgotisticalElf> fairly old, but i heard it'd still work fine
[01:13] <Soupermanito> indeed it should
[01:20]  * KM0201 says "Lubuntu for the win!"  :0
[01:51] <xubuntu405> hello, guys, how could i switch off launcher panel?
[01:53] <drc> Do you mean the suto-hiding panel at the bottom of the screen?
[01:54] <xubuntu405> yup, exactly
[01:56] <drc> Right mouse-click on the top panel> Panel> Panel Preferences...Select Panel 2 in the top (panel 1 shows), then click on the "slashed circle"  This DELETES the panel and you cannot get it back, so be sure this is what you want to do.
[01:58] <xubuntu405> brilliant, thanks a lot :-)
[01:58] <drc> np
[02:06] <roasted_> how do I install xfce themes? Some I install work, some don't. I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong.
[02:06] <roasted_> I just drop them in .themes
[02:09] <xubuntu405> guys, is there no ubuntu one app in xubuntu?
[02:10] <drc> xubuntu405: in the software center
[02:11] <roasted_> how do I install new window managers?
[02:13] <xubuntu405> drc, thanks again, got one more question - i tried ubuntu 11.04 in live cd mode and there my bluetooth was functioning. here, in xubuntu - it's not. any way to fix it?
[02:14] <drc> xubuntu405: Not idea...I do not use bluetooth.
[02:14] <xubuntu405> roasted_ open up synaptic, type name of needed wm, there must be metapackage, which depends on all apps of the wm. it's called kubuntu-desktop, ubuntu-desktop, etc.
[02:14] <roasted_> xubuntu405, uh...
[02:14] <roasted_> I meant like... a theme
[02:14] <roasted_> the border of the windows with a theme
[02:15] <xubuntu405> roasted_, ah. well, just search it in software center or xfce-looks
[02:15] <roasted_> I am
[02:15] <roasted_> but
[02:15] <roasted_> half of the ones I install wont work
[02:16] <xubuntu405> drc, ok. thanks anyway. -)
[02:18] <drc> roasted_: Things are slow here tonight, you might ask in #xfce also (I have <no> idea on how xfce treats Themes/Appearence and Window Managers except that its way different than GNOME, so I can't help)
[02:21] <xubuntu405> drc, is it possible to make "home", "trash" not shown on desktop?
[02:22] <drc> xubuntu405: Menu>Settings>Settings Manager>Desktop>Icons
[02:23] <xubuntu405> O:-) thx.
[02:32] <EgotisticalElf> finally, restarted the install and it got through it that time. no changes in hardware either
[02:33] <Raggs> hi Elf
[02:34] <EgotisticalElf> now i have a console screen, last thing is "Stopping userspace bootsplash [OK]" followed by a blank line with an OK on the far right
[02:35] <EgotisticalElf> automatic crash report generation failed to start a few lines prior
[02:35] <xubuntu405> drc, is it ok to install gnome apps like gedit? won't it brake anything?
[02:36] <drc> xubuntu405: It depends on the dependecies that the app has, but generally it's not a problem.
[02:37] <xubuntu405> drc, cool! i just wanted to install gedit and nautilus, cause i'm used to them ))
[02:37] <drc> xubuntu405: In fact, I delete most <xfce> apps (mousepad, parole, gmusicbrowser, etc) and replace them (gedit, rhythmbox, vlc, etc).
[02:37] <drc> xubuntu405: Nautilus is one that I have heard of problems with
[02:37] <drc> You might want to to research that one (because it controls the desktop)
[02:38] <xubuntu405> drc, thanks for warning. i also had a strange feeling that nautilus might be a prob.
[02:39] <xubuntu405> btw, 11.04's ubuntu one is really awesome
[02:46] <EgotisticalElf> well, the GUI failed to launch, but ctrl+alt+f1 kicked me to console
[02:46] <EgotisticalElf> so at least i can run stuff
[02:53] <f1assistance1> did a clean install of xubuntu 11.05 and Additional Drivers doesn't see my lappy's Broadcom wireless adapter...can someone point me to where I can install this? THX
[02:57] <KM0201> !broadcom | f1assistance1
[03:00] <f1assistance1> actually it's a BCM94318MPG
[03:10] <EgotisticalElf> i get "error allocating scanout buffer" when starting xfce...
[03:10] <EgotisticalElf> tnt2 on a p3 650
[03:12] <Shii> i'm having trouble automounting stuff, can anyone help me troubleshoot this?
[03:14] <Shii> oh it works suddenly
[04:39] <xubuntu405> guys, i'm trying to put my startupconky.sh into startup apps in settings manager, but button "ok" is not pushable. any ideas?
[04:52] <bazhang> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=867076 xubuntu405
[04:53] <xubuntu405> bazhang, thanks
[04:54] <bazhang> np
[04:55] <xubuntu405> mm, well, it's not what i was looking for.
[04:56] <xubuntu405> i mean u just can't add startup script to autostart in xfce.
[04:59] <bazhang> you dont need to autostart it
[04:59] <bazhang> just follow that guide to get conky working
[04:59] <xubuntu405> ok
[05:03] <xubuntu405> bazhang, thanks again. the problem was i didn't set title. only command.
[05:16] <bazhang> np
[05:55] <j0rd_> can anyone here help.? The menu bar on the top of each window is missing (file, edit, etc...) and i have no idea how it happened of how to fix it.
[06:48] <einseenai> guys, how do i install ttf fonts in xubuntu?
[13:20] <Aee> I have problem bluetooth in xubuntu
[13:20] <Aee> it don't work
[13:28] <TheSheep> what is the error?
[13:31] <Aee> find new device
[13:32] <Aee> Searching for devices a longtime
[13:36] <Aee> In mobile open bluetooth
[13:52] <TheSheep> Aee: if you type 'dmesg | tail' in terminal, does it show anything relevant?
[13:54] <Aee> i trying
[13:59] <Aee> see to http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3847857/bluetooth1.png
[14:00] <TheSheep> that looks ok
[14:00] <Aee> but search new device a longtime
[14:01] <TheSheep> how about 'tail .xsessionerrors'?
[14:03] <TheSheep> sorry, that's .xsession-errors
[14:03] <Aee> um
[14:04] <Aee> howto repair it?
[14:04] <TheSheep> I don't know what is wrong with it, so I can't tell how to repair.
[14:06] <Aee> before! nothing bluetooth in xubuntu 11.04
[14:07] <Aee> I just install bluetooth
[14:08] <Aee> and try search new device
[14:15] <EgotisticalElf> the build of the nvidia drivers on this p3 650 is *still* ongoing.. started it about 8 hours ago
[14:15] <EgotisticalElf> looks like it is building the ENTIRE kernel
[14:18] <TheSheep> EgotisticalElf: why are you building your own drivers? just install the ones provided from the repositories
[14:18] <TheSheep> EgotisticalElf: they are already build and tested
[14:19] <EgotisticalElf> because the repo doesn't contain a driver for a TNT2
[14:20] <EgotisticalElf> and the drivers from nvidia don't contain a pre-compiled one for xubuntu 11
[14:22] <EgotisticalElf> 71.86.14 is the one i need
[14:46] <lolmaus53258> Hi. I've just installed Xubuntu on my laptop. My mouse is bluetooth-ish. How do i make use of it?
[15:04] <Aee> notsure bluetooth
[15:04] <Aee> in xubuntu nothing bluetooth setting
[15:05] <Sterist> what do i need to do in 11.04 software sources to get xubuntu to show?
[15:05] <anny> Where is the "Connect to server" dialog like in Ubuntu ?
[15:08] <Sysi> Sterist: what do you mean?
[15:10] <Sterist> sysi i search in the software center for the xubuntu environment and it's not there like in previous versions
[15:15] <Sysi> Sterist: it should be, you have clean installation of 11.04?
[15:16] <Sterist> yes
[15:17] <Sysi> what if you put 'sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop' to terminal
[15:18] <Sterist> havent installed any updates yet. i'm getting there
[15:18] <Sterist> just got done customizing swap
[15:18] <Sysi> that doesn's install updates
[15:18] <Sysi> *doesn't
[15:18] <Sysi> just package lists
[15:18] <Sterist> sudo apt-get update updates
[15:19] <Sterist> ..doesnt it? lol
[15:19] <Sysi> it doesn't install anything
[15:20] <Sysi> apt-get upgrade and dist-upgrade install updates
[15:20] <Sterist> well that's upGrade, we were talking about upDate lol
[15:21] <Sterist> i'll give it a shot
[15:24] <Sterist> it's workin :)
[15:36] <Sterist> omg almost a month later n the servers are STILL dead slow :(
[16:51] <einseenai> guys, how do i get layout indicator and key shortcut to switch?
[16:57] <Doyle> yo. What file is responsible for the white border around active and inactive windows? It puts about a 3px top on windows that screws with dark themes.
[17:02] <Need4Help> Need help, i'm using ubuntu on a usb stick and i restart and now there's a windows requesting for authentication...(says: automatic logon / other) i have not set anypassword... in fact the only change i made was install xchat, chromiun, vlc and rar that was all... can someone help me out
[17:07] <genshooter> doyle are you using one of the preset appearance styles?
[17:13] <Doyle> genshooter: it's there with any theme, but doesn't mess up the look of the defauls
[17:13] <Doyle> defaults8
[17:14] <genshooter> doyle: im thinking its in the Settings Editor somewhere, I'm looking for it myself no luck so far
[17:17] <Doyle> genshooter: I've been poking around /usr/share/themes/Default/xfwm4 but haven't found it there...
[17:23] <genshooter> doyle: the theme im using that border is dark blue on a focused window, black on a non-focued windows - if were talking about the same border - you check those out?
[17:24] <TheSheep> Doyle: white border around windows? I can't see such a thing
[17:24] <TheSheep> Doyle: perhaps a screenshot would help?
[17:24] <Doyle> TheSheep: sure, just a sec
[17:27] <Doyle> https://picasaweb.google.com/108943949294985591385/Tmp?authkey=Gv1sRgCNSZsuqS4dbgcA#5606980301532009618
[17:29] <Doyle> Thats the xfce-dusk theme, but the white top and 1px border around the sides and bottom is visable on any darker theme.
[17:29] <genshooter> my border is blue when i select that theme, which tells me that the border can be configured somewhere
[17:31] <Doyle> I've messed with themes individual index.theme files, as well as some xpm settings, but I might have missed something. I' haven't work with themes much in the past. They usually just work.
[17:36] <TheSheep> Doyle: perhaps you want to change the window manager theme
[17:40] <Doyle> hmmm, is that a gtk2 thing?
[17:40] <TheSheep> Doyle: no, looks like it's an xfwm4 thing
[17:42] <Doyle> xfwm4 themes. gotcha. I'll give it a shot
[17:55] <Doyle> Ahhhh, Window Manager! For shame... seperating window "styles" from themes.
[17:56] <genshooter> sometimes you want to keep the same window style that the theme itself uses, but i saw a few window styles with thinner (non-existent) borders
[17:57] <genshooter> kde1
[17:59] <Doyle> Platinum is nice and dark
[18:01] <genshooter> can you find the config files referred to by these different styles?
[18:01] <genshooter> maybe you can tweak one even further in a config file somewhere
[18:06] <Doyle> yea, shouldn't be too hard now that I know they're "window styles"
[18:13] <Rodensky> freenode uses ssl?
[18:15] <Sysi> freenode offers possibility to connect using ssl
[18:17] <Rodensky> i'm trying to use another client and i entered chat.freenode.net as server but it won't connect. is the address wrong?
[18:22] <Rodensky88> yey
[18:22] <Rodensky88> i got it :)
[18:49] <sta11> just installed Xubuntu 11.04 ... my favorite OS get even better! I'm in love with it
[18:49] <MK``> I was going to install it on my old PC but the HDD died D:
[19:10] <warpi> thanks for a great xubuntu 11.04! everything works great except for my wireless lan :(
[19:11] <warpi> (which worked great in xubuntu 10.10 :(
[19:30] <preecher> ive installed xubuntu11.04 from usb without enabling the "install updates & 3rd party software" during initial install--now after install has completed & i do the update all the translation packages "fail"----my question is --is this anything to be concerned with
[19:31] <Soupermanito> mmm
[19:31] <Soupermanito> thats weird
[19:31] <Soupermanito> it shouldn't be happening
[19:31] <Soupermanito> do your internet works ok? what kind of "fail" you have?
[19:32] <Sysi> and with what you're updating
[19:33] <Soupermanito> hey Sysi! :3 sup?
[19:33] <preecher> internet is fine---within the update window that shows progress of update it shows failure when it normally displays the size of the package
[19:33] <Sysi> Soupermanito: ice-hockey!
[19:33] <preecher> ive done this 4 times this week with same result
[19:34] <Soupermanito> do you updated the repositories before installing?
[19:34] <preecher> updating thru update manager
[19:34] <preecher> yes
[19:34] <Sysi> you could try "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" in terminal
[19:34] <preecher> ill try that
[19:35] <preecher> thnks
[19:46] <einseenai> in ubuntu, there was an app "about me" where u could assign picture, is there smth like that in xubuntu?
[19:48] <Soupermanito> einseenai, users-admin
[19:50] <einseenai> Soupermanito, no, it's impossible to set picture there
[19:51] <Sysi> you can do it manually some way.. place picture with right name to your home folder and it should work
[19:51] <Sysi> though i'm not sure with new gdm, google
[19:52] <einseenai> i'm looking for a particular pic, which could be choosen from that "about me" menu entry program
[20:21] <jmcantrell> does xubuntu have all that indicator stuff that unity/gnome does?
[20:29] <Soupermanito> xfce4-taskmanager?
[20:29] <Soupermanito> or you mean screenlets?
[21:26] <Wolver1n3> is this the proper xubuntu tech support IRC Channel?
[21:32] <Wolver1n3> loving the xfce desktop btw
[21:33] <Wolver1n3> just wish it was more customizable
[21:33] <Wolver1n3> can anyone help on how to customize the menu
[21:34] <drc> http://wiki.xfce.org/howto/customize-menu
[21:34] <Wolver1n3> thanks
[21:35] <drc> You won't like it :)
[21:43] <xubuntu011> Installing Xubuntu right now ;) <3
[22:25] <einseenai> guys, what is command for xfce terminal?
[22:26] <Sysi> xfce4-terminal
[22:27] <Soupermanito> lol
[22:29] <einseenai> thanks
[23:44] <quant> hi, I was told that older versions of xubuntu were not "pure" xfce, that they were running xfce on top of "something", does anyone have any idea what is this about?
[23:46] <pleia2> xubuntu uses a different layout of panels and panel stuff than default xfce
[23:46] <pleia2> don't know what they mean about xfce running on top of "something" though
[23:47] <pleia2> xubuntu is also a full OS, which includes a variety of default applications, xfce is just the desktop environment
[23:48] <drc> You can choose a <xfce session> at login...I know it's different than the Xubuntu session, but how <pure> it is, I don't know.
[23:48] <pleia2> and you can always change the layout of panels and what you run in your panels to make it look like regular xfce, I do :)