[00:15] <apachelogger> saLOUt: rpm specs are vastly different from debian package sources, you might just as well start from scratch :)
[00:16] <apachelogger> actually you might want to try the hot new http://pkgme.net
[00:16] <apachelogger> maybe it can spit out something useful without much effort ^^
[00:23] <saLOUt> apachelogger: I never used any xUbuntu. I hoped that someone volunteers to help me. Maybe tomorrow.... good night
[00:23] <apachelogger> saLOUt: you should write a mail to kubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com :)
[00:23] <apachelogger> nite
[00:23] <maco> saLOUt: there's a packaging help channel
[00:23] <maco> #ubuntu-packaging
[00:24] <saLOUt> apachelogger: do i have to subscrip to the ML first?
[00:24] <apachelogger> saLOUt: don't think so
[00:24] <apachelogger> saLOUt: if you do ... send it to apachelogger@ubuntu.com and I can fwd
[00:25] <saLOUt> thx
[00:27] <apachelogger> hm
[00:27] <apachelogger> due to cmake that should be little effort
[00:27] <apachelogger> do we have any minions around to do that?
[00:27]  * apachelogger thinks DarkwingDuck was supposed to get us development minions
[00:28] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: whatever happend to our indian minions?
[01:03] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: I put ot the call.
[01:03] <DarkwingDuck> *out
[02:39] <DarkwingDuck> 888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888jjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
[02:39] <DarkwingDuck> kujio,nh78
[02:39] <DarkwingDuck> ]
[02:39] <DarkwingDuck> 09pololkb
[02:39] <DarkwingDuck> 152b57
[02:39] <DarkwingDuck> 11122v4455677778888890-=
[02:40] <DarkwingDuck> 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
[02:40] <DarkwingDuck> lll;
[02:41] <c2tarun> DarkwingDuck: ??
[02:41] <DarkwingDuck> \\\\\Sorry,
[02:41] <DarkwingDuck> When kids attack my computer it == bad
[02:42]  * c2tarun :)
[02:42]  * DarkwingDuck snickers
[03:04] <ScottK> apachelogger: You do have to be subscribed to post to kubuntu-devel.
[03:05]  * DarkwingDuck chuckles
[03:52] <linuxtech> DarkwindDuck:  I saw your note kubuntu-users list saying " I am looking for someone to help me with a review and fix project with Kubuntu 10.04 LTS."  That seems very general, can you be more specific on what kind of help you want?
[03:53] <DarkwingDuck> linuxtech: I am looking for someone to help me review the documentation for 10.04 to ensure it is correct and if it isnt to file a bug or write a patch for us.
[03:55] <linuxtech> OK, but doesn't it make more sense to focus on the current release since it is more likely to be more relevant to future versions of Kubuntu?
[03:58] <DarkwingDuck> linuxtech: :) Yes, but the LTS has not been reviewed and as we are supporting it still that is good. 
[03:58] <DarkwingDuck> I've got most of the Natty docs reviewed.
[03:58] <linuxtech> In any case I am not running 10.04 Kubuntu, I still have a couple of 10.04 mythbuntu and Ubuntu machine I admin, but I am in the process of migrating the others to natty now.
[04:00] <DarkwingDuck> Ahhh, linuxtech if you want to help reviewing the docs for Natty I could use a second set of eyes
[04:00] <DarkwingDuck> Alt+F2 help
[04:00] <DarkwingDuck> click on Kubuntu Documentation and start going through to ensure that the info is correct.
[04:01] <DarkwingDuck> If you see something that is not right file a bug at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-docs/+filebug
[04:01] <linuxtech> I am probably not the best person for that job, but if I run across anything I will file a bug report.  Right now I should file a doc bug on apt and proxies...
[04:03] <linuxtech> Thanks for all your work on Kubuntu and have a good night!
[04:03] <DarkwingDuck> Thanks linuxtech 
[06:46] <jussi> does the KC have an email address? 
[06:47] <valorie> one would think so
[06:47] <DarkwingDuck> I'm sure they do... just don't know 
[06:48] <valorie> https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-council says jr@kubuntu.org
[06:48] <valorie> that's not right
[06:49] <valorie> JR should change that
[06:49] <Tm_T> uh, Dallas?
[06:49] <jussi> Tm_T: ?
[06:50] <Tm_T> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._R._Ewing
[06:50] <valorie> lol
[06:50] <valorie> in this case, our illustrious jonathan riddell
[06:50] <jussi> oh lol
[06:50] <Tm_T> valorie: did know, just that "JR" reminds me of Dallas every time
[06:51] <jussi> Tm_T: btw, you may be interested, if you can find the cash, I have several discount vouchers for freescale imx53 boards - they are only 99$
[06:52] <Tm_T> jussi: hmmm, specs?
[06:54] <Tm_T> ah, found some (:
[06:57] <Tm_T> jussi: very interesting, I will try to sort something out, thanks (:
[07:13] <jussi> Tm_T: if you need a voucher number, jsut ping me :)
[07:14] <jussi> that goes for anyone else here also! This is a great platform to play with plasma mobile/active :D
[07:18] <Tm_T> jussi: see PM
[08:51] <QuintasanDroid> apachelogger: ping
[08:52] <nigelb> hey QuintasanDroid 
[08:55] <QuintasanDroid> nigelb: sup
[08:56] <valorie> I heard both of your voices!
[08:56] <valorie> not quite done listening to all my missed sessions
[08:56] <valorie> :-)
[08:56] <QuintasanDroid> valorie: do I really sound so strange? :O
[08:57] <valorie> no, but it makes you more real
[08:58] <valorie> it delights me to hear the team's voices
[08:58] <nigelb> Yeah, I know that one.  I remember how I put voice to nickname at my first UDS
[08:58] <valorie> even though I couldn't go
[08:58] <valorie> like, you have a voice on IRC
[08:58] <QuintasanDroid> :D
[08:58] <valorie> but no sound to go with it
[08:59] <valorie> until I know it from the streams
[08:59] <valorie> :-)
[08:59] <jussi> QuintasanDroid: you are strange :P
[09:01] <nigelb> the most eyeopening people at uds were apachelogger and persia
[09:01] <nigelb> Mainly because they were in black throughout
[09:02] <QuintasanDroid> jussi: :P
[09:02] <valorie> apachelogger in black?
[09:03] <valorie> I need photos!
[09:03] <valorie> persia is great
[09:03] <nigelb> valorie: I think its already on my facebook album
[09:03] <QuintasanDroid> yup, Harald and Emmet looked so classy :P
[09:03] <valorie> not sure if we are fb buddies
[09:03]  * valorie goes to look
[09:04] <DarkwingDuck> Hey guys
[09:04] <jussi> DarkwingDuck: o/
[09:04] <QuintasanDroid> DarkwingDuck: o/
[09:04]  * DarkwingDuck sighs
[09:04] <DarkwingDuck> another night of insomnia
[09:04] <valorie> OMG you have a 'stache!
[09:04] <QuintasanDroid> sup?
[09:04] <jussi> Whats up Dave?
[09:04] <valorie> send a friend request
[09:05] <DarkwingDuck> Not much. can't sleep... Was thinking about learning packaging
[09:05] <QuintasanDroid> no, lol
[09:05] <QuintasanDroid> learn programming
[09:05] <DarkwingDuck> LOL
[09:05] <jussi> QuintasanDroid: a new minion for you!!
[09:06] <jussi> he can package python-sipsimple!
[09:06] <jussi> :D
[09:06] <DarkwingDuck> Then i would become a minion... I love leading my own minions.
[09:06] <QuintasanDroid> we need someone to finish printer applet port to cpp
[09:07] <DarkwingDuck> XD
[09:07]  * QuintasanDroid picked up C once again
[09:07] <QuintasanDroid> float is funny :P
[09:07] <DarkwingDuck> I was thinking about programming...
[09:08] <DarkwingDuck> But, I figured packaging would be more usefull to me right now.
[09:08] <QuintasanDroid> DarkwingDuck: I always welcome new minions
[09:08] <jussi> DarkwingDuck: seriously, you could work on blink - QuintasanDroid could be your minion master
[09:08] <QuintasanDroid> :P
[09:08] <nigelb> valorie: accepted :)
[09:09] <DarkwingDuck> does QuintasanDroid want to teach me programming... that's the key
[09:09] <DarkwingDuck> :P
[09:09] <QuintasanDroid> nigelb,  valorie: Michał Zając on Facebook
[09:09] <nigelb> valorie: the classy picture of emmet and harald is there
[09:09] <DarkwingDuck> www.facebook.com/dwonderly
[09:11] <QuintasanDroid> DarkwingDuck: packaging minions~ :)
[09:11] <jussi> DarkwingDuck: QuintasanDroid can teach you packaging :=)
[09:12] <DarkwingDuck> See now, I'll take that.
[09:14] <QuintasanDroid> DarkwingDuck: req on fb sent :)
[09:15] <DarkwingDuck> QuintasanDroid: added
[09:17] <jussi> well its certainly been a socialm morning for some of you :D
[09:18] <DarkwingDuck> hehehe
[09:18] <QuintasanDroid> lol
[09:19] <DarkwingDuck> So, what ya say... wanna teach someone packaging? :P
[09:20] <DarkwingDuck> dammit.
[09:20] <DarkwingDuck> I don't think my dekstop/server likes natty
[09:24] <QuintasanDroid> DarkwingDuck: well, I am in school now so it could be pretty hard now
[09:24] <DarkwingDuck> QuintasanDroid: XD It's cool. I'm going to be crashign soon anyway.
[09:27] <jussi> !packaging
[09:28] <QuintasanDroid> jussi: TBH it is outdated, dholbach and co. is working on new guide
[09:29] <DarkwingDuck> I knew it was... Hence looking for a mentor in packaging. One iirc there are a few added things for the kubuntu side.
[09:29] <DarkwingDuck> s/one/and
[09:30] <jussi> QuintasanDroid: true, but I like making things hard for you : P :P
[09:30] <QuintasanDroid> what we basically did is switching to dh7 which makes short rules work in 90% of time
[09:30] <DarkwingDuck> dh7 would be debhelper7?
[09:31] <QuintasanDroid> yes
[09:31]  * DarkwingDuck nods
[09:31] <QuintasanDroid> and dh8 was introduced some time ago
[09:31]  * DarkwingDuck goes to find documentation for debhelper
[09:31] <DarkwingDuck> is there a reason dh8 isn't used?
[09:31] <QuintasanDroid> so instead dh --with kde @ you get dh @ --with kde AFAIC
[09:31] <QuintasanDroid> what I wrote above
[09:31] <jussi> QuintasanDroid: in all seriousness, perhaps blink/ associated stuff is a good place for him to start? 
[09:32] <DarkwingDuck> ahhhh
[09:32] <QuintasanDroid> just switch the order and u get dh8
[09:33] <QuintasanDroid> jussi: Don't think so. It has some obscure "features" which I don't want him to see right now :P
[09:33] <jussi> hehe
[09:33] <QuintasanDroid> like handling darcs magic
[09:33] <QuintasanDroid> or rules using cdbs :/
[09:34] <QuintasanDroid> cdbs makes me go brrrrrr
[09:36] <tsimpson> it's still easier that writing it all by hand every time you want to package something, well it sometimes is easier
[09:58] <valorie> nice photos, nigelb
[09:59] <DarkwingDuck> okay... sleepy time
[10:00] <DarkwingDuck> Night guys
[10:02] <yofel> morning
[10:02] <QuintasanDroid> yofel: sup
[10:03] <QuintasanDroid> doh
[10:08] <yofel> I'm sleepy and wondering if I should just skip the afternoon classes...
[10:11] <QuintasanDroid> skip them
[10:15] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: pong
[10:18] <apachelogger> seaLne: woohoo, vir made kde_gc master of #phonon he says, can you please make me supreme operator or whatever one might become in order to change topics ^^
[10:19] <seaLne> apachelogger: wouldn't it be simpler to remove the topic restriction like most channels?
[10:19] <tsimpson> one doesn't need to be an operator or remove topic protection in order to be able to set a channel topic
[10:20] <apachelogger> seaLne: probably
[10:20] <tsimpson> freenode has these "flags", one of which lets you command ChanServ to change the topic for you
[10:20] <seaLne> which would still require explicit permission
[10:21] <tsimpson> yeah, but only permission to change topic rather than being an operator, and will stop <random troll> from messing with the topic
[10:21] <seaLne> sure but generally thats not needed
[10:22] <tsimpson> depends on how "large" the channel is, and how discoverable
[10:23] <tsimpson> if it's a small or not well-known by joe-blogs, then removing topic protection is probably fine
[10:23] <seaLne> like this channel?
[10:25] <tsimpson> yep, random people don't really find this channel easily
[10:27] <valorie> we should probably have a couple more ops, though
[10:28] <valorie> since riddell won't be hanging out with us as much
[10:28] <seaLne> there seem to be quite a few 
[10:32] <valorie> good
[10:32] <valorie> 'cause I don't really want that work
[10:33] <valorie> :-)
[10:35]  * apachelogger giggles cause of the photo of persia and him
[10:42] <nigelb> heh
[10:43] <nigelb> my cause of giggle is the picture of stuart
[10:43] <valorie> which one? I don't know a stuart
[10:46] <nigelb> stuart is on the ubuntuone team, so I'm not sure if you'd know him
[10:46] <nigelb> He's on a picture in a black suit and wearing a hat
[10:47]  * QuintasanDroid wants ops in here
[10:54] <nigelb> QuintasanDroid: asking for ops is the easy way to not get ops ;)
[10:55] <QuintasanDroid> ha :D
[10:55] <valorie> otoh, the Ubuntu IRC team is looking for more ops
[10:56] <valorie> according to their UDS session
[10:56] <valorie> Ubuntu Members wanted
[10:57] <valorie> it's quite a bit of work
[10:57] <QuintasanDroid> I could use OP rights sometimes, like changing topic
[10:57] <valorie> ugh, 3am
[10:57] <valorie> niters all
[10:57] <QuintasanDroid> noon here
[10:57] <QuintasanDroid> gn valorie
[10:59] <apachelogger> hmmmmmmmm
[11:00] <QuintasanDroid> sup?
[11:01] <apachelogger> valorie: I am pretty sure you met stuart, red haired, rather husky voice, very intense laugh
[11:01] <apachelogger> QuintasanDroid: got a question for you
[11:02] <apachelogger> QuintasanDroid: http://paste.kde.org/~phonon/71089/
[11:02] <apachelogger> what is wrong with this code? :P
[11:03] <QuintasanDroid> apachelogger: dunno what functions in loop do
[11:04] <QuintasanDroid> but it should me i++ IMO instead of ++i
[11:04] <QuintasanDroid> in the for loop initialization
[11:04]  * QuintasanDroid notes his understanding of code is poor
[11:04] <apachelogger> ++i is less asm code in various cases, so it is to be preferred over i++
[11:05] <apachelogger> QuintasanDroid: baiscally what the function is supposed to do is destruct an trackdescriptionlist
[11:05] <apachelogger> this list holds pointers to trackdescriptor objects
[11:05] <apachelogger> those get first releaes and then removed from the list
[11:05]  * apachelogger notes that the issue is very subtle
[11:05] <debfx> I'm sure gcc would optimize i++ to ++i in this case :)
[11:07] <apachelogger> debfx: there are systems without gcc
[11:07] <apachelogger> plus!
[11:08] <apachelogger> I'd not be so sure gcc does it on every architecture
[11:08] <apachelogger> that is not the problem anyway
[11:08] <QuintasanDroid> apachelogger: no idea
[11:08] <apachelogger> the code is completely wrong :D
[11:08] <apachelogger> maybe debfx finds out why
[11:09]  * yofel doesn't even get what the code trying to do
[11:09] <apachelogger> yofel: release objects and cleanup a list
[11:09] <apachelogger> QuintasanDroid: when you manage to find issues like that you can become maintainer of the phonon vlc backend :)
[11:09] <QuintasanDroid> I would blindly shoot that it will remove len-th element while it should remove len-1-th element
[11:10] <yofel> erm, and why do you call release() one time and the other time RemoveAt() ?
[11:10] <apachelogger> QuintasanDroid: not all that wrong
[11:10] <apachelogger> yofel: cause they are doing different things
[11:10] <yofel> k
[11:10] <apachelogger> release() is like a c-type dtor
[11:10] <apachelogger> release(ptr) ~= free(ptr)
[11:11] <QuintasanDroid> hmmmm
[11:11] <apachelogger> except release will likely also do derefcounting and whatnot
[11:11] <yofel> ah
[11:11] <QuintasanDroid> can you paste the release(something inside) line
[11:11]  * QuintasanDroid is tired of reopening the same page
[11:11] <yofel>         release(at(i));
[11:12] <apachelogger> http://paste.kde.org/~phonon/71095/
[11:13]  * apachelogger giggles
[11:13] <apachelogger> any guesses?
[11:13] <QuintasanDroid> at() provides a pointer to a variable I vguess then
[11:14] <QuintasanDroid> well removeAt is doing something wrong probably
[11:14] <QuintasanDroid> no idea what it exactly does though
[11:14] <QuintasanDroid> also the for loop is suspicious for deleting len-th element
[11:15]  * yofel still thinks it should either be i++, or ++1 with <= len
[11:15] <tsimpson> removeAt() would just remove the item from a list, no?
[11:15] <apachelogger> tsimpson: yes
[11:15] <yofel> since i don't know the indizes though I can't say more
[11:16] <debfx> does removeAt() shift the indices?
[11:16] <apachelogger> yes it does ^^
[11:17] <yofel> ...
[11:17] <apachelogger> obviously enough, if you remove the 1st item in a list the former 2nd item will become the new 1st and so on
[11:17] <yofel> well, then why are you using i in the remove calls :P
[11:17] <apachelogger> ^^
[11:18] <apachelogger> seems we have found the issue :P
[11:18] <debfx> what's the point of removing things from a list that's going to be destroyed anyway?
[11:18] <tsimpson> foreach(...) release(...); clear();
[11:19] <QuintasanDroid> apachelogger: lol horrible code indeed
[11:19]  * QuintasanDroid started learning C the proper way
[11:20] <QuintasanDroid> ie. commenting every thing that might not be understandable after one day
[11:21] <apachelogger> QuintasanDroid: like 
[11:21] <apachelogger> while (--len >= 0) {
[11:21] <apachelogger> ^^
[11:22] <QuintasanDroid> well
[11:23] <apachelogger> tsimpson: I do not think you want to use foreach in a dtor
[11:23] <QuintasanDroid> if you take a second to figure out the order of stuff its sensible
[11:23] <apachelogger> that is one place where you really do not want the foreach overhead
[11:23] <QuintasanDroid> s/sensible/understandable
[11:23] <tsimpson> I was just being lazy, hence foreach
[11:23] <apachelogger> QuintasanDroid: the while I pasted or the code sample?
[11:23] <QuintasanDroid> code sample
[11:24] <QuintasanDroid> blargh
[11:24] <QuintasanDroid> while ( ) magic
[11:24] <apachelogger> oh yeah, well
[11:24]  * apachelogger finds that while more horrible from a readability POV actually
[11:25] <QuintasanDroid> this while() would be equivalent to that for loop but totally less readable
[11:25] <tsimpson> while(!isEmpty())
[11:25] <QuintasanDroid> FFFFFFUUUUUU-
[11:25] <tsimpson> :)
[11:25] <QuintasanDroid> isempty() returns 0 if the thing is empty?
[11:26] <apachelogger> tsimpson: also vastly more expensive
[11:26] <apachelogger> isempty accesses both front end end for every call
[11:26] <apachelogger> something like return list.begin == list.end 
[11:27] <apachelogger> QuintasanDroid: it returns true
[11:27] <tsimpson> really, I would have thought it would be better than that
[11:27] <apachelogger> incidentially that is 0 in C
[11:27] <apachelogger> tsimpson: from a readability POV it is
[11:27] <QuintasanDroid> I hate using while(!something)
[11:27] <tsimpson> I mean isEmpty(), thought it was more efficient that that
[11:27] <QuintasanDroid> it's horrible
[11:28] <tsimpson> why is it horrible?
[11:28] <apachelogger> tsimpson: no, you only need to get len once
[11:28] <apachelogger> that is one constant time vs. 2*n times constant time
[11:28] <QuintasanDroid> because it is hard to read
[11:28] <tsimpson> apachelogger: I guess in a d-tor you can be more presumptuous
[11:29] <QuintasanDroid> after some time
[11:29] <QuintasanDroid> or if you have no idea what the code does
[11:29] <tsimpson> less readable than "if(x) {} else { ... }" ;)
[11:30] <apachelogger> tsimpson: the thing is, especially with container dtors and ctors I'd suggest to be as efficient as possible while not inflicting unreadability or perhaps unstable code
[11:31] <apachelogger> since dtoring of containers is always blocking the app, and containers can contain rather a lot of code
[11:31] <apachelogger> eh
[11:31] <apachelogger> s/code/items
[11:31] <apachelogger> so 90% of the time I'd go for a manual counting approach than use a more convenient builtin function
[11:31] <QuintasanDroid> well, I am almost out of battert
[11:31] <apachelogger> especially since you have a clearly defined start condition
[11:32]  * QuintasanDroid wants a git client for android
[11:32] <apachelogger> QuintasanDroid: that sounds scary ^^
[11:32] <QuintasanDroid> why?
[11:32] <QuintasanDroid> coding on my mobile?
[11:32] <QuintasanDroid> better than biology
[11:32]  * QuintasanDroid notes he has physical keyboard
[11:34]  * QuintasanDroid starts paying attention to the lesson
[11:34] <QuintasanDroid> see you later
[12:23]  * apachelogger thinks our understanding of touchegg was rather wrong at uds
[12:23] <afiestas> apachelogger: where can I find the latest version of "Release suite" ?
[12:23] <apachelogger> afiestas: http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/226892_10150585375715182_821070181_18774288_1328162_n.jpg
[12:23] <apachelogger> what kinda suite do you mean?
[12:24] <afiestas> the ruby apps to create tarballs
[12:24] <jussi> ROFL!
[12:24] <apachelogger> oh
[12:24] <apachelogger> afiestas: kde:releaseme
[12:25] <afiestas> thanks
[12:36] <afiestas> is there any page with a list of uds pictures?
[12:40] <debfx> does anyone have an idea about FAM in kdelibs? do we want it?
[12:40] <debfx> bug #525005
[12:42] <debfx> when built with libgamin a gam_server process is autostarted
[12:42] <afiestas> debfx: it should not be needed afaik
[12:42] <afiestas> KDirWatcher uses inotify (or whatever is new) 
[12:43] <debfx> does that also work with nfs?
[12:43] <afiestas> mmm dunno, it depends on what nfs does kernel-wise
[12:43] <afiestas> if nfs trigger a inotify even, then yes
[12:50] <debfx> ok thanks, I'll keep it disabled for now
[12:58] <apachelogger> afiestas: don't think so, but you could start one ;)
[12:58] <apachelogger> afiestas: jono would know if there is any existing though
[13:07] <debfx> apachelogger: when will we get a good phonon video player?
[13:07] <debfx> since vlc has a huge memory leak in the pulseaudio plugin I'm stuck with dragon :/
[13:08] <apachelogger> after gsoc
[13:09] <apachelogger> Internal Server Error \o/
[13:09] <apachelogger> this is rather silly
[13:09] <yofel> use smplayer?
[13:10] <apachelogger> yofel: how is that a good player exactly?
[13:10] <yofel> well, it's better than dragon, and vlc get's on my nerves sometimes
[13:10] <apachelogger> how is it better than dragon?
[13:12] <debfx> does it support cropping and seek shortcuts (like alt+left/right in vlc)?
[13:13] <yofel> yep, and dragon can't increase the volume to > 100% which is sometimes a bit too silent on my notebook
[13:14] <yofel> in mplayer it's just up/down/left/right though
[13:21] <apachelogger> afiestas: https://bugs.launchpad.net/lightdm/+bug/593497
[13:21] <apachelogger> we should poke david
[13:22] <afiestas> I'm reading right now a pdf about consolekit..
[13:22] <afiestas> I have been hacking a little bit on it, so far I got "Session listing" working, but haven't be able to switch to another user for example
[13:23] <afiestas> oooooo mmmmm ggg
[13:23] <afiestas> Mr.Edmundson on lightdm .d
[13:23]  * afiestas smiles :D
[13:23] <apachelogger> ^^
[13:24]  * apachelogger notes that some session notes are pretty crappy
[13:24]  * afiestas will try to get something working for within this week
[13:24] <apachelogger> we need to do a how-to-take-proper-notes training
[13:25] <apachelogger> afiestas: :O coooool
[13:30]  * afiestas thinks that would be awesome having the printer applet as a plasmoid
[13:37] <afiestas> apachelogger: he plans to start working again on the kde greeter once tp is released
[13:37] <afiestas> :)!
[13:37] <ScottK> tp?
[13:38] <afiestas> telepathy
[13:38] <afiestas> (kde)
[13:38] <ScottK> Ah.
[13:38] <afiestas> btw, I've been using raster since yesterday, so far no problems
[13:38] <afiestas> with Qt 4.7.something
[13:38] <ScottK> ETOOMANYACRONYMS
[13:39] <ScottK> I heard kwin supports raster now.
[13:39] <afiestas> xD
[13:39] <apachelogger> afiestas: so, he will start working in 5 years? :P
[13:39] <afiestas> ScottK: yes, is what I wanted to test :p
[13:39] <ScottK> apachelogger: He said released, not working.
[13:39] <apachelogger> afiestas: you should try plasma-netbook && rekonq, that is one combination I usually got funny rendering problems
[13:39] <apachelogger> might have been kwin related though
[13:39] <apachelogger> ScottK: right ^^
[13:41] <afiestas> kde-telepathy is working for me
[13:41] <ScottK> Please let this election thing be over soon.  Being subscribed to kubuntu-users hurts.
[13:41] <afiestas> Quintasan:  saw it :p
[13:42] <apachelogger> is it just me or is the kubuntu-web-shortcuts pkg actually not generating useful packages?
[13:42] <apachelogger> !info kubuntu-web-shortcuts
[13:42] <apachelogger> interesting
[13:43] <apachelogger> alrighty
[13:43] <yofel> nope, but we still have kubuntu-konqueror-shortcuts in oneiric for some reason
[13:43] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping
[13:43] <yofel> ^^
[13:44] <apachelogger> changelog has
[13:44] <apachelogger> kubuntu-konqueror-shortcuts (11.04ubuntu1) natty; urgency=low
[13:44] <apachelogger> AND
[13:44] <apachelogger> kubuntu-web-shortcuts (11.04ubuntu1) natty; urgency=low
[13:44] <yofel> lol
[13:44] <apachelogger> whether that makes sense or not I'll leave up for discussion, but IMHO that is just bogus
[13:44] <apachelogger> secondly the whole bugger is not uploaded
[13:44] <apachelogger> thrid the packaging building is defunct because there is no install file
[13:53] <CIA-51> [kubuntu-web-shortcuts] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20110516125310-6py44eul8gntlfo3 * (5 files in 3 dirs) * Add udsnotes - access meeting notes from UDS * Fix package building (add install file)
[13:54] <afiestas> apachelogger: eduard seems to be full in on lightDM :)
[13:54] <CIA-51> [kubuntu-web-shortcuts] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20110516125448-p2r76hmecftieur5 * debian/changelog releasing version 11.10ubuntu1
[13:55] <apachelogger> afiestas: lets poke ossi then
[13:56]  * ScottK recommends a very long stick for that.
[13:57]  * afiestas goes afraid to the airport before having to poke ossi :p
[13:57] <afiestas> see you in 5h or tomorrow, cyap!
[13:57] <afiestas> (btw, budapest rocks, :p)
[13:58] <apachelogger> Nightrose: do you still have the LPSD?
[13:58] <Nightrose> always
[13:58] <apachelogger> Nightrose: we might need that one soonish
[13:59] <apachelogger> mhhh
[13:59]  * apachelogger can continue work on todo compliation now that he has a udsnotes shortcut ^^
[14:24] <ScottK> apachelogger: Do you have a minion that is capable of doing a proper merge for avogadro?
[14:24]  * apachelogger has no packaging minions except for shadeslayer right now
[14:24] <apachelogger> ScottK: Quintasan might have
[14:24] <ScottK> Quintasan: ^^^ ?
[14:30] <apachelogger> probably at school still
[14:31] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: if you could add the new doc todo items to https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo/Oneiric that would be awesome
[14:32] <apachelogger> pending tasks from old todos are marked grey with (SERIESFIRSTLETTER) before the task description
[14:47] <JontheEchidna> bleh, I went from breathing filtered air on the airplane for 7 hours to breathing air with record-high pollen levels back home
[14:47] <apachelogger> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-o-kubuntu-prelink
[14:47] <JontheEchidna> I have Ubuallergies
[14:47] <apachelogger> why exactly is the person who resgistered deactivated?
[14:47] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: oh gee
[14:48] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: perfect opporunity to write some todo lists :P
[14:48] <apachelogger> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-o-kubuntu-packaging for example could use that
[14:51] <JontheEchidna> k
[14:51] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: btw, how did your lightning talk go?
[14:52] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: there was none
[14:52] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: way too many people wanted to do lightning talk
[14:52] <apachelogger> +s
[14:53] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: should I just cram all 3 sessions-worth of etherpad junk into that one spec?
[14:53] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: yeah
[14:53] <apachelogger> two was only patch review anyway
[14:54] <apachelogger> which is already implemented I think
[14:54] <JontheEchidna> right, we did that during the session
[14:54] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan is working on sending some of those upstream still
[14:54] <JontheEchidna> so at best it's "in progress"
[14:55] <apachelogger> well
[14:55] <apachelogger> you could just add a task "send qt patches upstream" and link to the notes
[14:55] <Quintasan> ScottK: I might have one available
[14:56] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: btw, lp:kubuntu-web-shortcuts now has udsnotes: which expands to summit.ubuntu.com...
[14:56] <Quintasan> brr
[14:56] <Quintasan> What the...
[14:58] <Quintasan> My expenses mail was not delivered somehow
[14:58] <Quintasan> @_@
[14:59] <Quintasan> apachelogger: may I see your expense claim form?
[15:00] <apachelogger> like I have one?
[15:01] <JontheEchidna> it's attached to the email titled "IMPORTANT: UDS O Budapest, 9-13 May: FINAL DETAILS"
[15:02] <apachelogger> oh right
[15:02] <apachelogger> still xls
[15:02] <apachelogger> I wonder if this will ever change
[15:06] <Quintasan> what do I write in there @_@
[15:10]  * apachelogger has a much improved form btw
[15:10] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: http://i.imgur.com/PnwuR.png
[15:10] <JontheEchidna> some of the forms will auto-fill once you put in info
[15:11] <Quintasan> We can claims shuttles?
[15:12] <Quintasan> Can I also claim my bus travel to airport?
[15:13] <JontheEchidna> we were able to last year
[15:13] <JontheEchidna> at the worst they'll say "we can't expense that" and will ask you to re-email the form without that claimed
[15:15] <JontheEchidna> "Please ensure you keep all receipts for all transfers and anything else you are claiming for." <-- implies that they are accepting expense reports for travel to/from the airport
[15:16] <JontheEchidna> though they said that last year too and I never had to send in the receipt
[15:17] <Quintasan> shit can't find the recipt
[15:17] <apachelogger> Quintasan: you can claim every travel necessary to getting to the hotel and home again
[15:18]  * apachelogger is a very cheap lad
[15:18] <apachelogger> 104 EUR
[15:20] <JontheEchidna> 94.44 USD in total for me
[15:20] <apachelogger> Quintasan: e.g. for last UDS I also claimed the ESTA fee
[15:20] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: that was one cheap flight
[15:20] <JontheEchidna> oh
[15:20] <apachelogger> ^^
[15:20] <JontheEchidna> right, that cost like $900 USD
[15:20] <apachelogger> see :P
[15:20] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: what is the additional 94 from though?
[15:21] <JontheEchidna> that is meal per diems plus the shuttle
[15:21] <apachelogger> do we actually get per diem for tuesday?
[15:22]  * apachelogger only ahs one per-diem :(
[15:22] <apachelogger> I drunk too much to make up for it with one per diem ^^
[15:22] <Quintasan> hmmmm
[15:22] <Quintasan> my bus fare to berlin was in Polish złoty
[15:22] <JontheEchidna> they said that we couldn't do a dinner per diem from monday and friday
[15:23] <JontheEchidna> and no lunch per diems for monday - friday
[15:23] <apachelogger> Quintasan: you are claiming in zloty aren't you?
[15:23] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[15:23] <apachelogger> I did not eat much on tuesday anyway :P
[15:23] <JontheEchidna> but if you had dinner on tuesday at that linaro thing I wouldn't think you could claim per diem
[15:23] <Quintasan> I claimed only shuttlebus fares, 1xlunch 1xdinner
[15:23] <JontheEchidna> and we can't claim on wednesday since Riddell is going to expense that
[15:24] <apachelogger> Quintasan: when was the lunch?
[15:24] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: sunday, before you got in
[15:24] <JontheEchidna> we went to KFC
[15:24] <apachelogger> one can claim sunday?
[15:24] <Quintasan> apachelogger: I am claiming in złoty, but Bus fare TO Berlin airport was in złoty
[15:24] <apachelogger> Quintasan: yeah, so?
[15:25] <apachelogger> Quintasan: in the amt to be reimbursed column of the table: =IF(F16=$E$10,G16,IF(G16>0,G16/$H$10,0))
[15:25] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: no idea if we can claim for sunday
[15:25] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: I would think so. They say that you can't claim for monday - friday, and they give an amount for lunch, so one would reason that you can claim for sunday
[15:25] <apachelogger> if the currency in the currency column is whatever code zloty has, just use that, else calculate HUF to zloty
[15:26] <apachelogger> ScottK will know
[15:26] <apachelogger> ScottK: can one claim sunday?
[15:39] <Quintasan> 187$ with bus to and from airport
[15:40] <Quintasan> I ain't claiming lunch
[16:09] <ScottK> One can claim Sunday
[16:09] <ScottK> One can't claim dinners on days where it was provided.
[16:15] <ScottK> It looks like we have no/little choice on kdepim.
[16:15] <ScottK> KDE 4.7 will require shared-desktop-ontologies 0.7 and it doesn't work with kdepim < 4.6.
[16:16] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: ^^^ I think the packaging spec should reflect this.
[16:16] <JontheEchidna> kk
[16:43] <steveire> ScottK: imo that needs to be fixed
[16:43] <ScottK> steveire: That would be nice, but as a downstream we're kind of stuck.  If only there was someone around who was active on kdepim upstream ...
[16:43] <steveire> If it's a change in kdelibs that makes applications compiled against a previous version, then that's a bug
[16:44] <ScottK> steveire: Are you subscribed to the KDE packagers list?
[16:44] <steveire> as far as I can tell it's a kdelibs problem. But I'm not entirely clear on the issue. I'm not, no
[16:44] <ScottK> Let me find the relevant message.
[16:45] <steveire> But I think it's generated code, so kdepim 4.6 built against kdelibs46 will run against kdelibs47
[16:45] <steveire> Which is why I think it's 'technially ok' to some people because it's a grey areas
[16:45] <steveire> area*
[16:46] <steveire> The grey area seems to be that building kdepim4.6 against kdelibs4.7 won't work anymore. Is that what packagers would do?
[16:48] <steveire> I think at the very least, this issue needs to make that grey area black or white from the KDE pov.
[16:48] <ScottK> steveire: http://paste.kde.org/71773/
[16:48] <ScottK> "What would packagers do?" - Hope for a patch?
[16:49] <steveire> I think that was cc'd to kde-pim@ too. I don't know. Did eabstian answer?
[16:49] <ScottK> Not that I saw on packagers.
[16:49] <steveire> No, what do packagers do with a kdepim4.6 tarball. Do you usually try to compile it against the latest version of kdelibs47?
[16:49] <ScottK> Against whatever we have in the archive.
[16:50] <ScottK> So ~now it'd be against 4.6, but once we get 4.7 in the archive it'll have to build against that.
[16:50] <steveire> Right. And I think the whole point of 'kdelibs is source/binary compatible for the lifetime of kde4' is to make that possible.
[16:50] <ScottK> Yep.
[16:51] <steveire> I'll see if I can find the root of the issue, but not today.
[16:51] <ScottK> Thanks.
[16:51] <steveire> Sure.
[16:56] <bambee> evening
[17:00] <ScottK> Noon.
[17:01] <Quintasan> apachelogger: ping
[17:04] <ScottK> maco: Would you please look into the installer spec and see what seems reasonable for you to take on this cycle?
[17:05] <maco> ok
[17:05] <bambee> Is there something to do for oneiric ?
[17:09] <Quintasan> HURR DURR
[17:09] <Quintasan> http://paste.ubuntu.com/608498
[17:09] <Quintasan> why do I get shitload of these?
[17:15] <apachelogger> Quintasan: pogo
[17:17] <ScottK> maco: Thanks.
[17:18] <debfx> is there progress upstream to set $LANG based on the locale kcm settings?
[17:18] <Quintasan> apachelogger: When we were talking about my plan to get a MPC to my living room you suggested I would rather be interested in upsteam VLC rather than ours, why is that?
[17:18] <ScottK> agateau: Could you see about getting someone to verify the qt4-x11 memory leak fix with unity-2d that's in natty-proposed?
[17:18] <agateau> ScottK: yes, will do
[17:18] <apachelogger> Quintasan: cause ours breaks ever so often
[17:18] <debfx> because I'd say that is our biggest i18n issue
[17:19] <ScottK> agateau: Thanks.
[17:20] <apachelogger> ScottK: was that fabi account deactiavte before? https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-o-kubuntu-prelink
[17:20] <Quintasan> apachelogger: the problem is that XBMC uses mplayer to play stuff
[17:21] <apachelogger> Quintasan: so?
[17:21] <ScottK> apachelogger: No.  It was not.  I guess we scared him off.
[17:21] <ScottK> apachelogger: How did that discussion go?
[17:21] <apachelogger> Quintasan: plasma media center will solve all them problems 
[17:21] <Quintasan> so so, I'd rather use XBMC so my parents don't go "WTF LLINUX MAGIC"
[17:21] <apachelogger> ScottK: horrible
[17:21] <Quintasan> +1 on horrible
[17:21] <apachelogger> Quintasan was running through the room
[17:21] <ScottK> So should I disapprove the spec then?
[17:22] <apachelogger> people were talking about all sorts of things
[17:22] <apachelogger> no one really cared
[17:22] <ScottK> OK. 
[17:22] <apachelogger> and the fabi guy also was not terribly interested in commiting to anything IMHO
[17:22] <apachelogger> ScottK: disapproval seems about right
[17:22] <apachelogger> also it saves me from writing a todo :P
[17:23] <bambee> +1
[17:23] <ScottK> There isn't a "burn with fire" option, but I got as close as I could.
[17:23] <apachelogger> ScottK: we should take a note to not have random sessions, but instead make people more active throughout the cycle
[17:23] <Quintasan> +over9000
[17:23] <ScottK> apachelogger: OK.
[17:23] <ScottK> I think it was worth a shot.
[17:23] <apachelogger> that prelink stiff is much more discussable over IRC as basically the discussion without actual information (i.e. research required) was rather moot
[17:24] <apachelogger> ScottK: yeah, worthwhile experience I'd say
[17:24]  * apachelogger should write down his thoughts probably
[17:29] <apachelogger> ScottK, Quintasan, JontheEchidna, rbelem: how did you like the wrap up meetings btw? something we can continue doing?
[17:29] <ScottK> apachelogger: Yes.
[17:30] <ScottK> That or have a first thing in the morning 'roundtable' - What most tracks do.
[17:30] <JontheEchidna> I liked those, since some days I went to other tracks to ensure that they didn't f*** us over
[17:30] <Quintasan> +1 on roundtable
[17:30] <JontheEchidna> formally scheduling them next time would be a good idea too
[17:30] <Quintasan> makes ppl more compelled to show up
[17:30] <Quintasan> and not pulling a Rodrigo
[17:30] <JontheEchidna> some mornings it felt like there was little Kubuntu stuff
[17:31] <apachelogger> jorge said roundtables are usually crapz
[17:32] <JontheEchidna> then let's not call them roundtables :P
[17:32] <apachelogger> what we could do is meet between 8:45 and 9 to do that
[17:32] <ScottK> apachelogger: We should have post-session bar BOF then.
[17:32] <apachelogger> that way we do not clash with other stuff
[17:33] <apachelogger> ScottK: would also work
[17:33] <apachelogger> but definitely we should schedule them
[17:34] <ScottK> I think it makes more sense to do it end of the day as by the next morning some of the relevant brain cells are missing.
[17:34] <apachelogger> ScottK: actually I'd prefer it in the evening, that way we still remember things somewhat well, and don't forget useful things due to ballmer's peak implementations ^^
[17:34] <apachelogger> :D
[17:35] <ScottK> That's the one spec we got done so far.
[17:35] <apachelogger> we should do more research next time though
[17:35] <apachelogger> all we know for sure is that apachelogger approaches ballmer's peak after about 1 glass of soproni 
[17:35] <apachelogger> and that 2 are too much
[17:39]  * apachelogger needs to pack for Graz
[17:48] <padams> hey y'all... long time listener, first time caller
[17:48] <padams> ?anyone know the status of bug 333944?
[17:48] <ScottK> Hello padams.
[17:48] <padams> ScottK: hey
[17:48] <padams> how are you?
[17:50] <ScottK> Busy.
[17:50] <ScottK> Looking at http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=178228 it seems some causes are fixed, but others remain.
[17:51] <padams> might relate to: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=217364
[17:51] <ScottK> Yep.
[17:51] <padams> this is killing me
[17:51] <ScottK> I don't seem to suffer from it.
[17:51] <padams> every time i disconnect from vpn i hit this
[17:52] <apachelogger> oh
[17:52] <apachelogger> padams: what sorta vpn?
[17:52] <padams> apachelogger: hey dude, openvpn
[17:54] <padams> what's weird is that i am sure i wasn't getting this just a few days ago
[17:55] <padams> maybe i just didn't notice - but it is kinda hard not to notice my laptops fans going mental
[17:55] <apachelogger> well, it at least supports my theory that it is a module rather than kded4 itsel
[17:55] <apachelogger> f
[17:55]  * apachelogger shall try if he can reproduce with vpnc once he is home
[17:55] <apachelogger> later
[17:56] <padams> thanks for taking a look
[17:56] <apachelogger> padams: maybe you could get some debug logs meanwhile?
[17:56] <padams> from? how?
[17:56] <apachelogger> just cranck everything up in kdebugdialog then kquitapp kded and start in a terminal
[17:57] <apachelogger> try to trigger the issue
[17:57]  * apachelogger now really needs to leave :P
[17:57] <padams> cheerie bye!
[17:58] <padams> ok - i am going to play with this and then will come on back later sometime
[17:58]  * Quintasan requires moar UDS Photos
[18:00] <Quintasan> ARRRRRRRRRRRRM
[18:19] <nigelb> Quintasan: I have a few more pending upload. I'm being lazy
[18:24] <Quintasan> nigelb: cool, I will be borrowing some to show to my parents
[18:25]  * Quintasan got a crappy camera
[18:25] <Quintasan> not taking that one next time
[18:25] <nigelb> Quintasan: I have a crappy one too :(
[18:25] <Quintasan> Still better than mine
[18:25] <Quintasan> with little hand shaking everything is getting blured as hell
[18:25] <Quintasan> :/
[18:35] <rbelem> o/
[18:42] <ScottK> Whoa.  rbelem is awake.
[18:42] <ScottK> (probably not by now)
[18:44] <rbelem> ScottK, still awake :-D
[18:45]  * ScottK reels in shock.
[18:45] <Quintasan> oh god
[18:45] <Quintasan> rbelem: \o
[18:46] <rbelem> :-D
[18:46] <rbelem> hey Quintasan 
[18:47] <bambee> when I edit a commit with "git commit --amend -a" , there is an easy way to repush it ?
[18:47] <bambee> actually it's rejected :\
[18:47] <rbelem> bambee, add -f
[18:47] <bambee> are you sure ?
[18:47] <rbelem> to the push
[18:47] <bambee> ok
[18:48] <rbelem> bambee, it will overwrite the HEAD of your remote
[18:49] <bambee> http://paste.ubuntu.com/608542/ o_O
[18:49] <bambee> I killed a kitten :'(
[18:49] <rbelem> ScottK, do you know the names of the two Qt guys that were in budapest?
[18:49] <ScottK> I don't.
[18:50] <ScottK> rbelem: Pick from this list: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/community-o-qt-panel
[18:51] <rbelem> bambee, are you trying to do that in your branch?
[18:51] <bambee> rbelem: yes
[18:52] <bambee> kcm-userconfig it's my repo and Kauth my branch... 
[18:52] <bambee> I am trying to sync my last commit with the remote branch
[18:53] <bambee> because I have commited something which should not be 
[18:54] <bambee> rbelem: http://quickgit.kde.org/?p=kcm-userconfig.git&a=commit&h=ce62aa3b01df2e059ab676239a4a760dd4409316
[18:54] <rbelem> bambee, how is your git push cmd?
[18:54] <bambee> I try to revert authdb/pwd.py
[18:54] <rbelem> thanks ScottK 
[18:54] <rbelem> :-)
[18:55] <bambee> my git push cmd ? I just type "git push"
[18:56] <rbelem> bambee, hum... that's why
[18:56] <rbelem> bambee, what is the name of you remote?
[18:56] <rbelem> your*
[18:57] <bambee> kcm-userconfig.git
[18:57] <bambee> the push url is "git.k.o/kcm-userconfig.git"
[18:59] <rbelem> bambee, could you paste your .git/config for me? :-)
[18:59] <bambee> rbelem: http://paste.ubuntu.com/608547/
[19:01] <rbelem> bambee, and what's your branch name?
[19:01] <bambee> KAuth
[19:02] <rbelem> bambee, paste the output of git branch -a
[19:02] <Quintasan> I present, The Most Useless Application In C -> http://paste.kde.org/71905
[19:03] <Quintasan> rbelem: one is Denis ForgotHisSurnameNow
[19:03] <Quintasan> rbelem: ddenis on #qt-labs
[19:04] <bambee> rbelem: http://paste.ubuntu.com/608548/
[19:04] <rbelem> bambee, try git push -f Kauth Kauth
[19:04] <rbelem> thanks Quintasan :-)
[19:05] <rbelem> i will leave for some min
[19:05] <bambee> rbelem: you probably mean "git push -f KAuth KAuth" ? (with "A") :)
[19:07] <yofel> Quintasan: why are you escaping \\n twice?
[19:07] <Quintasan> where?
[19:07] <Quintasan> :O
[19:08] <yofel> well, the paste has \\n instead of \n, or did the paste do that?
[19:08] <rbelem> bambee, yup
[19:09] <bambee> http://paste.ubuntu.com/608559/
[19:09] <bambee> same with "Kauth"
[19:35] <bambee> well even git push --help suggests me a "git push --force" in a case like that :\
[20:39] <saLOUt> apachelogger: would you be so nice to package my first app for me? I am not a ubuntu nor debian user...
[20:39] <saLOUt> apachelogger: Its about this: http://salout.github.com/blog/2010/12/18/announcing_kubeplayer.html
[20:39] <saLOUt> source code here: https://projects.kde.org/projects/playground/multimedia/kubeplayer/repository
[21:34] <seaLne> did ubuntu really change the default of ncurses to a pink background? just blinded while upgrading a server to natty
[21:40] <ScottK> seaLne: aubergine.
[21:40] <seaLne> pink
[21:40] <ScottK> It's changable.
[21:40] <ScottK> In Kubuntu it's blue.
[21:40] <seaLne> this was on server
[21:40] <ScottK> Mine is the same way.
[21:41] <seaLne> seems like a stupid and pointless change to me
[21:41] <ScottK> You'll get no argument from me.
[21:41] <bambee> there is plymouth on ubuntu server ?
[21:41] <ScottK> Sure.
[21:42] <bambee> (assuming you use ubuntu server)
[21:42] <seaLne> i've been used to blue ncurses for about 15 years
[21:42] <seaLne> before that it was white
[21:42] <ScottK> It does I/O parallelization in addition to the display stuff it does.
[21:42] <ScottK> seaLne: I'd go ask kirkland in #ubuntu-server how to put it back.  It's his change.
[22:15] <apachelogger> saLOUt: I already have one :P
[22:15] <apachelogger> had one 1 minute after you left yesterday
[22:15] <apachelogger> anyhow
[22:16] <saLOUt> ah. Do you have a link? Can I .just throw it into opensuse buildservice?
[22:16] <apachelogger> saLOUt: generally it is much appreciated to have actual release tarballs
[22:17] <apachelogger> you can use the releaseme script from KDE 
[22:17] <apachelogger> on an unrelated matter
[22:17] <apachelogger> me laptop is back \o/
[22:17]  * apachelogger stresstests
[22:23] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[22:23] <apachelogger> saLOUt: if you did a release we could just upload it to ubuntu directly :P
[22:24] <saLOUt> apachelogger: The app crashes on a regular basis (when you try to watch a youtube video from sony in germany for instance
[22:24] <apachelogger> should be fixed then ^^
[22:25] <apachelogger> lemme get my equipment set up again, just moved through half of austria
[22:25] <saLOUt> Its a nice toy for developers (I hope for contributions).
[22:32] <saLOUt> apachelogger: can you paste me your deb config file?
[23:14] <apachelogger> saLOUt: btw, every source file must have an appropriate copyright/license header
[23:15] <apachelogger> + a copy of your license must be distributed along the source
[23:15] <apachelogger> your license = the license of your choice :)
[23:15] <saLOUt> apachelogger: I have a statement it README.rdoc
[23:16] <apachelogger> not sufficient
[23:16] <apachelogger> above is obligatory to be properly licensed
[23:16] <apachelogger> otherwise you are simply not distributing free software
[23:22] <afiestas> apachelogger: Quintasan ScottK rbelem http://quickgit.kde.org/?p=kde-workspace.git&a=commit&h=b508e6e29274839b8c505b6c5a56f3feed6020f5
[23:22] <afiestas> the good part of planes with delay :p
[23:23] <ScottK> Very nice.
[23:23] <apachelogger> :O
[23:23] <apachelogger> afiestas is wicked
[23:23] <apachelogger> afiestas++
[23:23] <apachelogger> afiestas++
[23:23] <apachelogger> afiestas++
[23:23] <apachelogger> afiestas++
[23:23] <afiestas> and email sent to ossi, hope he's ok with the patch
[23:24] <afiestas> as far as I can tell everything works, and the patch  is easy enough to be backported to 4.6.X 
[23:25]  * ScottK suspects afiestas will need flame retardant pants.
[23:25] <afiestas> nah, he already replied the email (the email was sent but the push failed), he seems ok with the idea more or less :p
[23:26] <apachelogger> more or less
[23:26] <apachelogger> ^^
[23:26] <apachelogger> lolz
[23:26]  * afiestas has great hopes :)
[23:27] <afiestas> ScottK: in case you don't know, David Edmunson is working on a KDE Greeter for lightDM :p
[23:27] <ScottK> I didn't until I read the commit message.  Great news.
[23:29] <apachelogger> saLOUt: http://people.ubuntu.com/~apachelogger/src/kubeplayer/debian/
[23:30] <saLOUt> apachelogger: thx
[23:30] <saLOUt> apachelogger: do you tested packaging the app or the app on debian itself?
[23:35]  * afiestas is updating from 10.10 to 11.04 :p
[23:37] <apachelogger> saLOUt: I am sorry, but I do not quite understand the question
[23:37] <apachelogger> afiestas: good luck!
[23:37] <apachelogger> you will need it :P
[23:38] <afiestas> apachelogger: my parents laptop was bought with mmm well don't remember
[23:38] <apachelogger> saLOUt: /usr/share/kde4/apps/kubeplayer/lib/provider/youtube/Youtube.rb:69:in `request_video_url': private method `scan' called for nil:NilClass (NoMethodError)
[23:38] <saLOUt> apachelogger: you presented me some files with code. Is it working code? Did you test the code to actually package my application?
[23:38]  * apachelogger blinks
[23:38] <afiestas> when Dell sold devices in the website, in that "boom"
[23:38] <apachelogger> of course I tested it
[23:39] <saLOUt> ;)
[23:39] <afiestas> and since then, it has survived all updates :p
[23:39] <apachelogger> afiestas: oh ^^
[23:39] <apachelogger> scary
[23:39] <apachelogger> never seen one of them devices
[23:39] <saLOUt> saLOUt: what did you do to get this error? Is the app starting at all?
[23:39] <apachelogger> saLOUt: started -> searched for come on eileen -> double clicked on one window kab000m
[23:39] <apachelogger> s/window/video
[23:40] <afiestas> as long as libreoffice, and firefox work, the rest doesn't matter
[23:40] <afiestas> a well, and Microsoft Skype too :p
[23:40] <apachelogger> lol
[23:40] <apachelogger> microsoft skype
[23:40] <apachelogger> win
[23:40] <apachelogger> !
[23:40] <saLOUt> apachelogger: single click is sufficient
[23:40] <apachelogger> yeah well, crashes every time
[23:40] <saLOUt> try something from michael jackson
[23:41] <apachelogger> http://paste.ubuntu.com/608701/
[23:41] <apachelogger> saLOUt: that does not crash surprising enough
[23:41] <saLOUt> apachelogger: mj works. That's important.
[23:41] <apachelogger> ah
[23:41] <apachelogger> saLOUt: it crashes whenver I click any item except the first one
[23:42] <saLOUt> ok. I am gonna list "come on eileen" as unsupported ^^
[23:42] <saLOUt> i searched for "michael .jackson" and first 4 are working fine so far.
[23:42] <saLOUt> hm
[23:44] <apachelogger> ScottK: blueprints on kde-devel are the suck IMHO
[23:48] <saLOUt> apachelogger: thank you so far. I bookmarked the link and will have a deeper look on it tomorrow or so.
[23:48] <apachelogger> jussi: http://i.imgur.com/rOHtL.png
[23:49] <apachelogger> mine is superior muhahaha