[00:15] saLOUt: rpm specs are vastly different from debian package sources, you might just as well start from scratch :) [00:16] actually you might want to try the hot new http://pkgme.net [00:16] maybe it can spit out something useful without much effort ^^ [00:23] apachelogger: I never used any xUbuntu. I hoped that someone volunteers to help me. Maybe tomorrow.... good night [00:23] saLOUt: you should write a mail to kubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com :) [00:23] nite [00:23] saLOUt: there's a packaging help channel [00:23] #ubuntu-packaging [00:24] apachelogger: do i have to subscrip to the ML first? [00:24] saLOUt: don't think so [00:24] saLOUt: if you do ... send it to apachelogger@ubuntu.com and I can fwd [00:25] thx [00:27] hm [00:27] due to cmake that should be little effort [00:27] do we have any minions around to do that? [00:27] * apachelogger thinks DarkwingDuck was supposed to get us development minions [00:28] shadeslayer: whatever happend to our indian minions? [01:03] apachelogger: I put ot the call. [01:03] *out [02:39] 888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888jjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, [02:39] kujio,nh78 [02:39] ] [02:39] 09pololkb [02:39] 152b57 [02:39] 11122v4455677778888890-= [02:40] 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 [02:40] lll; [02:41] DarkwingDuck: ?? [02:41] \\\\\Sorry, [02:41] When kids attack my computer it == bad [02:42] * c2tarun :) [02:42] * DarkwingDuck snickers [03:04] apachelogger: You do have to be subscribed to post to kubuntu-devel. [03:05] * DarkwingDuck chuckles [03:52] DarkwindDuck: I saw your note kubuntu-users list saying " I am looking for someone to help me with a review and fix project with Kubuntu 10.04 LTS." That seems very general, can you be more specific on what kind of help you want? [03:53] linuxtech: I am looking for someone to help me review the documentation for 10.04 to ensure it is correct and if it isnt to file a bug or write a patch for us. [03:55] OK, but doesn't it make more sense to focus on the current release since it is more likely to be more relevant to future versions of Kubuntu? [03:58] linuxtech: :) Yes, but the LTS has not been reviewed and as we are supporting it still that is good. [03:58] I've got most of the Natty docs reviewed. [03:58] In any case I am not running 10.04 Kubuntu, I still have a couple of 10.04 mythbuntu and Ubuntu machine I admin, but I am in the process of migrating the others to natty now. [04:00] Ahhh, linuxtech if you want to help reviewing the docs for Natty I could use a second set of eyes [04:00] Alt+F2 help [04:00] click on Kubuntu Documentation and start going through to ensure that the info is correct. [04:01] If you see something that is not right file a bug at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-docs/+filebug [04:01] I am probably not the best person for that job, but if I run across anything I will file a bug report. Right now I should file a doc bug on apt and proxies... [04:03] Thanks for all your work on Kubuntu and have a good night! [04:03] Thanks linuxtech === c2tarun_ is now known as c2tarun [06:46] does the KC have an email address? [06:47] one would think so [06:47] I'm sure they do... just don't know [06:48] https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-council says jr@kubuntu.org [06:48] that's not right [06:49] JR should change that [06:49] uh, Dallas? [06:49] Tm_T: ? [06:50] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._R._Ewing [06:50] lol [06:50] in this case, our illustrious jonathan riddell [06:50] oh lol [06:50] valorie: did know, just that "JR" reminds me of Dallas every time [06:51] Tm_T: btw, you may be interested, if you can find the cash, I have several discount vouchers for freescale imx53 boards - they are only 99$ [06:52] jussi: hmmm, specs? [06:54] ah, found some (: [06:57] jussi: very interesting, I will try to sort something out, thanks (: [07:13] Tm_T: if you need a voucher number, jsut ping me :) [07:14] that goes for anyone else here also! This is a great platform to play with plasma mobile/active :D [07:18] jussi: see PM === hunger_ is now known as hunger [08:51] apachelogger: ping [08:52] hey QuintasanDroid [08:55] nigelb: sup [08:56] I heard both of your voices! [08:56] not quite done listening to all my missed sessions [08:56] :-) [08:56] valorie: do I really sound so strange? :O [08:57] no, but it makes you more real [08:58] it delights me to hear the team's voices [08:58] Yeah, I know that one. I remember how I put voice to nickname at my first UDS [08:58] even though I couldn't go [08:58] like, you have a voice on IRC [08:58] :D [08:58] but no sound to go with it [08:59] until I know it from the streams [08:59] :-) [08:59] QuintasanDroid: you are strange :P [09:01] the most eyeopening people at uds were apachelogger and persia [09:01] Mainly because they were in black throughout [09:02] jussi: :P [09:02] apachelogger in black? [09:03] I need photos! [09:03] persia is great [09:03] valorie: I think its already on my facebook album [09:03] yup, Harald and Emmet looked so classy :P [09:03] not sure if we are fb buddies [09:03] * valorie goes to look [09:04] Hey guys [09:04] DarkwingDuck: o/ [09:04] DarkwingDuck: o/ [09:04] * DarkwingDuck sighs [09:04] another night of insomnia [09:04] OMG you have a 'stache! [09:04] sup? [09:04] Whats up Dave? [09:04] send a friend request [09:05] Not much. can't sleep... Was thinking about learning packaging [09:05] no, lol [09:05] learn programming [09:05] LOL [09:05] QuintasanDroid: a new minion for you!! [09:06] he can package python-sipsimple! [09:06] :D [09:06] Then i would become a minion... I love leading my own minions. [09:06] we need someone to finish printer applet port to cpp [09:07] XD [09:07] * QuintasanDroid picked up C once again [09:07] float is funny :P [09:07] I was thinking about programming... [09:08] But, I figured packaging would be more usefull to me right now. [09:08] DarkwingDuck: I always welcome new minions [09:08] DarkwingDuck: seriously, you could work on blink - QuintasanDroid could be your minion master [09:08] :P [09:08] valorie: accepted :) [09:09] does QuintasanDroid want to teach me programming... that's the key [09:09] :P [09:09] nigelb, valorie: Michał Zając on Facebook [09:09] valorie: the classy picture of emmet and harald is there [09:09] www.facebook.com/dwonderly [09:11] DarkwingDuck: packaging minions~ :) [09:11] DarkwingDuck: QuintasanDroid can teach you packaging :=) [09:12] See now, I'll take that. [09:14] DarkwingDuck: req on fb sent :) [09:15] QuintasanDroid: added [09:17] well its certainly been a socialm morning for some of you :D [09:18] hehehe [09:18] lol [09:19] So, what ya say... wanna teach someone packaging? :P [09:20] dammit. [09:20] I don't think my dekstop/server likes natty [09:24] DarkwingDuck: well, I am in school now so it could be pretty hard now [09:24] QuintasanDroid: XD It's cool. I'm going to be crashign soon anyway. [09:27] !packaging [09:27] The packaging guide is at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/NewPackages for information on getting a package integrated into Ubuntu - Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment - See also !backports [09:28] jussi: TBH it is outdated, dholbach and co. is working on new guide [09:29] I knew it was... Hence looking for a mentor in packaging. One iirc there are a few added things for the kubuntu side. [09:29] s/one/and [09:30] QuintasanDroid: true, but I like making things hard for you : P :P [09:30] what we basically did is switching to dh7 which makes short rules work in 90% of time [09:30] dh7 would be debhelper7? [09:31] yes [09:31] * DarkwingDuck nods [09:31] and dh8 was introduced some time ago [09:31] * DarkwingDuck goes to find documentation for debhelper [09:31] is there a reason dh8 isn't used? [09:31] so instead dh --with kde @ you get dh @ --with kde AFAIC [09:31] what I wrote above [09:31] QuintasanDroid: in all seriousness, perhaps blink/ associated stuff is a good place for him to start? [09:32] ahhhh [09:32] just switch the order and u get dh8 [09:33] jussi: Don't think so. It has some obscure "features" which I don't want him to see right now :P [09:33] hehe [09:33] like handling darcs magic [09:33] or rules using cdbs :/ [09:34] cdbs makes me go brrrrrr [09:36] it's still easier that writing it all by hand every time you want to package something, well it sometimes is easier [09:58] nice photos, nigelb [09:59] okay... sleepy time [10:00] Night guys === yofel_ is now known as yofel [10:02] morning [10:02] yofel: sup [10:03] doh [10:08] I'm sleepy and wondering if I should just skip the afternoon classes... [10:11] skip them [10:15] DarkwingDuck: pong [10:18] seaLne: woohoo, vir made kde_gc master of #phonon he says, can you please make me supreme operator or whatever one might become in order to change topics ^^ [10:19] apachelogger: wouldn't it be simpler to remove the topic restriction like most channels? [10:19] one doesn't need to be an operator or remove topic protection in order to be able to set a channel topic [10:20] seaLne: probably [10:20] freenode has these "flags", one of which lets you command ChanServ to change the topic for you [10:20] which would still require explicit permission [10:21] yeah, but only permission to change topic rather than being an operator, and will stop from messing with the topic [10:21] sure but generally thats not needed [10:22] depends on how "large" the channel is, and how discoverable [10:23] if it's a small or not well-known by joe-blogs, then removing topic protection is probably fine [10:23] like this channel? [10:25] yep, random people don't really find this channel easily [10:27] we should probably have a couple more ops, though [10:28] since riddell won't be hanging out with us as much [10:28] there seem to be quite a few [10:32] good [10:32] 'cause I don't really want that work [10:33] :-) [10:35] * apachelogger giggles cause of the photo of persia and him [10:42] heh [10:43] my cause of giggle is the picture of stuart [10:43] which one? I don't know a stuart [10:46] stuart is on the ubuntuone team, so I'm not sure if you'd know him [10:46] He's on a picture in a black suit and wearing a hat [10:47] * QuintasanDroid wants ops in here [10:54] QuintasanDroid: asking for ops is the easy way to not get ops ;) [10:55] ha :D [10:55] otoh, the Ubuntu IRC team is looking for more ops [10:56] according to their UDS session [10:56] Ubuntu Members wanted [10:57] it's quite a bit of work [10:57] I could use OP rights sometimes, like changing topic [10:57] ugh, 3am [10:57] niters all [10:57] noon here [10:57] gn valorie [10:59] hmmmmmmmm [11:00] sup? [11:01] valorie: I am pretty sure you met stuart, red haired, rather husky voice, very intense laugh [11:01] QuintasanDroid: got a question for you [11:02] QuintasanDroid: http://paste.kde.org/~phonon/71089/ [11:02] what is wrong with this code? :P [11:03] apachelogger: dunno what functions in loop do [11:04] but it should me i++ IMO instead of ++i [11:04] in the for loop initialization [11:04] * QuintasanDroid notes his understanding of code is poor [11:04] ++i is less asm code in various cases, so it is to be preferred over i++ [11:05] QuintasanDroid: baiscally what the function is supposed to do is destruct an trackdescriptionlist [11:05] this list holds pointers to trackdescriptor objects [11:05] those get first releaes and then removed from the list [11:05] * apachelogger notes that the issue is very subtle [11:05] I'm sure gcc would optimize i++ to ++i in this case :) [11:07] debfx: there are systems without gcc [11:07] plus! [11:08] I'd not be so sure gcc does it on every architecture [11:08] that is not the problem anyway [11:08] apachelogger: no idea [11:08] the code is completely wrong :D [11:08] maybe debfx finds out why [11:09] * yofel doesn't even get what the code trying to do [11:09] yofel: release objects and cleanup a list [11:09] QuintasanDroid: when you manage to find issues like that you can become maintainer of the phonon vlc backend :) [11:09] I would blindly shoot that it will remove len-th element while it should remove len-1-th element [11:10] erm, and why do you call release() one time and the other time RemoveAt() ? [11:10] QuintasanDroid: not all that wrong [11:10] yofel: cause they are doing different things [11:10] k [11:10] release() is like a c-type dtor [11:10] release(ptr) ~= free(ptr) [11:11] hmmmm [11:11] except release will likely also do derefcounting and whatnot [11:11] ah [11:11] can you paste the release(something inside) line [11:11] * QuintasanDroid is tired of reopening the same page [11:11] release(at(i)); [11:12] http://paste.kde.org/~phonon/71095/ [11:13] * apachelogger giggles [11:13] any guesses? [11:13] at() provides a pointer to a variable I vguess then [11:14] well removeAt is doing something wrong probably [11:14] no idea what it exactly does though [11:14] also the for loop is suspicious for deleting len-th element [11:15] * yofel still thinks it should either be i++, or ++1 with <= len [11:15] removeAt() would just remove the item from a list, no? [11:15] tsimpson: yes [11:15] since i don't know the indizes though I can't say more [11:16] does removeAt() shift the indices? [11:16] yes it does ^^ [11:17] ... [11:17] obviously enough, if you remove the 1st item in a list the former 2nd item will become the new 1st and so on [11:17] well, then why are you using i in the remove calls :P [11:17] ^^ [11:18] seems we have found the issue :P [11:18] what's the point of removing things from a list that's going to be destroyed anyway? [11:18] foreach(...) release(...); clear(); [11:19] apachelogger: lol horrible code indeed [11:19] * QuintasanDroid started learning C the proper way [11:20] ie. commenting every thing that might not be understandable after one day [11:21] QuintasanDroid: like [11:21] while (--len >= 0) { [11:21] ^^ [11:22] well [11:23] tsimpson: I do not think you want to use foreach in a dtor [11:23] if you take a second to figure out the order of stuff its sensible [11:23] that is one place where you really do not want the foreach overhead [11:23] s/sensible/understandable [11:23] I was just being lazy, hence foreach [11:23] QuintasanDroid: the while I pasted or the code sample? [11:23] code sample [11:24] blargh [11:24] while ( ) magic [11:24] oh yeah, well [11:24] * apachelogger finds that while more horrible from a readability POV actually [11:25] this while() would be equivalent to that for loop but totally less readable [11:25] while(!isEmpty()) [11:25] FFFFFFUUUUUU- [11:25] :) [11:25] isempty() returns 0 if the thing is empty? [11:26] tsimpson: also vastly more expensive [11:26] isempty accesses both front end end for every call [11:26] something like return list.begin == list.end [11:27] QuintasanDroid: it returns true [11:27] really, I would have thought it would be better than that [11:27] incidentially that is 0 in C [11:27] tsimpson: from a readability POV it is [11:27] I hate using while(!something) [11:27] I mean isEmpty(), thought it was more efficient that that [11:27] it's horrible [11:28] why is it horrible? [11:28] tsimpson: no, you only need to get len once [11:28] that is one constant time vs. 2*n times constant time [11:28] because it is hard to read [11:28] apachelogger: I guess in a d-tor you can be more presumptuous [11:29] after some time [11:29] or if you have no idea what the code does [11:29] less readable than "if(x) {} else { ... }" ;) [11:30] tsimpson: the thing is, especially with container dtors and ctors I'd suggest to be as efficient as possible while not inflicting unreadability or perhaps unstable code [11:31] since dtoring of containers is always blocking the app, and containers can contain rather a lot of code [11:31] eh [11:31] s/code/items [11:31] so 90% of the time I'd go for a manual counting approach than use a more convenient builtin function [11:31] well, I am almost out of battert [11:31] especially since you have a clearly defined start condition [11:32] * QuintasanDroid wants a git client for android [11:32] QuintasanDroid: that sounds scary ^^ [11:32] why? [11:32] coding on my mobile? [11:32] better than biology [11:32] * QuintasanDroid notes he has physical keyboard [11:34] * QuintasanDroid starts paying attention to the lesson [11:34] see you later [12:23] * apachelogger thinks our understanding of touchegg was rather wrong at uds [12:23] apachelogger: where can I find the latest version of "Release suite" ? [12:23] afiestas: http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/226892_10150585375715182_821070181_18774288_1328162_n.jpg [12:23] what kinda suite do you mean? [12:24] the ruby apps to create tarballs [12:24] ROFL! [12:24] oh [12:24] afiestas: kde:releaseme [12:25] thanks [12:36] is there any page with a list of uds pictures? [12:40] does anyone have an idea about FAM in kdelibs? do we want it? [12:40] bug #525005 [12:40] Launchpad bug 525005 in kde4libs (Ubuntu) "kubuntu kde4 missing fam support for nfs (kdelibs-bin)" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/525005 [12:42] when built with libgamin a gam_server process is autostarted [12:42] debfx: it should not be needed afaik [12:42] KDirWatcher uses inotify (or whatever is new) [12:43] does that also work with nfs? [12:43] mmm dunno, it depends on what nfs does kernel-wise [12:43] if nfs trigger a inotify even, then yes [12:50] ok thanks, I'll keep it disabled for now [12:58] afiestas: don't think so, but you could start one ;) [12:58] afiestas: jono would know if there is any existing though === cmagina-afk is now known as cmagina [13:07] apachelogger: when will we get a good phonon video player? [13:07] since vlc has a huge memory leak in the pulseaudio plugin I'm stuck with dragon :/ [13:08] after gsoc [13:09] Internal Server Error \o/ [13:09] this is rather silly [13:09] use smplayer? [13:10] yofel: how is that a good player exactly? [13:10] well, it's better than dragon, and vlc get's on my nerves sometimes [13:10] how is it better than dragon? [13:12] does it support cropping and seek shortcuts (like alt+left/right in vlc)? [13:13] yep, and dragon can't increase the volume to > 100% which is sometimes a bit too silent on my notebook [13:14] in mplayer it's just up/down/left/right though [13:21] afiestas: https://bugs.launchpad.net/lightdm/+bug/593497 [13:21] Ubuntu bug 593497 in Light Display Manager "Make KDE greeter" [Wishlist,In progress] [13:21] we should poke david [13:22] I'm reading right now a pdf about consolekit.. [13:22] I have been hacking a little bit on it, so far I got "Session listing" working, but haven't be able to switch to another user for example === apachelogger changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: UDS session leads plz compile a todo list for your sessions!!! | Merges https://merges.ubuntu.com/main.html | Oneiric open for development | UDS: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Specs/UDS-O | Council elections: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2011-May/005170.html [13:23] oooooo mmmmm ggg [13:23] Mr.Edmundson on lightdm .d [13:23] * afiestas smiles :D [13:23] ^^ [13:24] * apachelogger notes that some session notes are pretty crappy [13:24] * afiestas will try to get something working for within this week [13:24] we need to do a how-to-take-proper-notes training [13:25] afiestas: :O coooool [13:30] * afiestas thinks that would be awesome having the printer applet as a plasmoid [13:37] apachelogger: he plans to start working again on the kde greeter once tp is released [13:37] :)! [13:37] tp? [13:38] telepathy [13:38] (kde) [13:38] Ah. [13:38] btw, I've been using raster since yesterday, so far no problems [13:38] with Qt 4.7.something [13:38] ETOOMANYACRONYMS [13:39] I heard kwin supports raster now. [13:39] xD [13:39] afiestas: so, he will start working in 5 years? :P [13:39] ScottK: yes, is what I wanted to test :p [13:39] apachelogger: He said released, not working. [13:39] afiestas: you should try plasma-netbook && rekonq, that is one combination I usually got funny rendering problems [13:39] might have been kwin related though [13:39] ScottK: right ^^ [13:41] kde-telepathy is working for me [13:41] Please let this election thing be over soon. Being subscribed to kubuntu-users hurts. [13:41] Quintasan: saw it :p [13:42] is it just me or is the kubuntu-web-shortcuts pkg actually not generating useful packages? [13:42] !info kubuntu-web-shortcuts [13:42] Package kubuntu-web-shortcuts does not exist in natty [13:42] interesting [13:43] alrighty [13:43] nope, but we still have kubuntu-konqueror-shortcuts in oneiric for some reason [13:43] shadeslayer: ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping ping [13:43] ^^ [13:44] changelog has [13:44] kubuntu-konqueror-shortcuts (11.04ubuntu1) natty; urgency=low [13:44] AND [13:44] kubuntu-web-shortcuts (11.04ubuntu1) natty; urgency=low [13:44] lol [13:44] whether that makes sense or not I'll leave up for discussion, but IMHO that is just bogus [13:44] secondly the whole bugger is not uploaded [13:44] thrid the packaging building is defunct because there is no install file [13:53] [kubuntu-web-shortcuts] Harald Sitter * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20110516125310-6py44eul8gntlfo3 * (5 files in 3 dirs) * Add udsnotes - access meeting notes from UDS * Fix package building (add install file) [13:54] apachelogger: eduard seems to be full in on lightDM :) [13:54] [kubuntu-web-shortcuts] Harald Sitter * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20110516125448-p2r76hmecftieur5 * debian/changelog releasing version 11.10ubuntu1 [13:55] afiestas: lets poke ossi then [13:56] * ScottK recommends a very long stick for that. [13:57] * afiestas goes afraid to the airport before having to poke ossi :p [13:57] see you in 5h or tomorrow, cyap! [13:57] (btw, budapest rocks, :p) [13:58] Nightrose: do you still have the LPSD? [13:58] always [13:58] Nightrose: we might need that one soonish [13:59] mhhh [13:59] * apachelogger can continue work on todo compliation now that he has a udsnotes shortcut ^^ [14:24] apachelogger: Do you have a minion that is capable of doing a proper merge for avogadro? [14:24] * apachelogger has no packaging minions except for shadeslayer right now [14:24] ScottK: Quintasan might have [14:24] Quintasan: ^^^ ? [14:30] probably at school still [14:31] DarkwingDuck: if you could add the new doc todo items to https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo/Oneiric that would be awesome [14:32] pending tasks from old todos are marked grey with (SERIESFIRSTLETTER) before the task description [14:47] bleh, I went from breathing filtered air on the airplane for 7 hours to breathing air with record-high pollen levels back home [14:47]