| === JasonO is now known as MisterX | ||
| AlanBell | http://pad.ubuntu.com/AccessibilityInfrastructure if people want to help with that it would be great | 12:40 |
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| AlanBell | going to make it a blog article then wiki page | 12:40 |
| MrChrisDruif | Ahh...orangy :D | 12:46 |
| MrChrisDruif | ....no, not blue <_<" | 12:47 |
| cprofitt | nice AlanBell | 12:53 |
| cprofitt | that was a good read | 12:53 |
| AlanBell | need TheMuso and maco do explain more of the at-spi and qt-at-spi stuff | 13:06 |
| hajour | hi all | 13:44 |
| MrChrisDruif | Aloha hajour | 13:52 |
| hajour | hi MrChrisDruif | 13:53 |
| AlanBell | hi hajour, did you enjoy UDS? | 13:54 |
| hajour | yes last 2 days most AlanBell | 13:54 |
| hajour | no last 3 | 13:54 |
| UndiFineD | AlanBell, is this pad for Ubuntu-Manual ? | 13:55 |
| AlanBell | not really, but I suppose it could be | 13:55 |
| UndiFineD | I think it would be very readable | 13:55 |
| UndiFineD | http://pad.ubuntu.com/AccessibilityInfrastructure <- hajour | 13:56 |
| hajour | ok thanks UndiFineD | 13:57 |
| AlanBell | TheMuso suggested writing something like that so people know how the Ubuntu accessibility infrastructure slots together | 13:57 |
| UndiFineD | Well the manual needs a chpter on it anyways | 13:57 |
| AlanBell | I think he was a bit perplexed by whatever it is that browserspeak is attempting to do | 13:57 |
| UndiFineD | so I think this could be used there | 13:57 |
| AlanBell | sure, it can go in the manual, that would be great | 13:58 |
| AlanBell | I will also run it past Amber to see if she wants any of it for the official book | 13:58 |
| UndiFineD | AlanBell, well eventually I hope to see SpeechControl like: Simon Listens -> command execution -> output humanification -> speechdispatcher | 13:59 |
| hajour | AlanBell, we can suggest to make a option to choose to have lines or speak or boths | 13:59 |
| UndiFineD | the first 2 are already there and the last, we are just missing the humanification | 13:59 |
| AlanBell | the first two are not in Ubuntu | 14:00 |
| hajour | i can take contact with them about that | 14:00 |
| UndiFineD | AlanBell, as I understand bedahr is still working on that | 14:00 |
| AlanBell | hajour: not sure I understand about lines? | 14:00 |
| hajour | i can read finally my mail now very happy about that | 14:00 |
| hajour | well i just thought about a thing | 14:00 |
| hajour | they want to get rid of fonts by the buttons from firefox ect | 14:01 |
| hajour | and replace it with speech | 14:01 |
| hajour | but | 14:01 |
| hajour | i was thinking i not sure about that so just fill me more in.do braille programs not need just the fonts also? | 14:02 |
| hajour | i mean do braille programs the fonts | 14:02 |
| hajour | AlanBell, | 14:02 |
| AlanBell | really not sure what you mean now | 14:02 |
| AlanBell | braille does not have fonts, it is a pattern of dots | 14:02 |
| hajour | yes i know | 14:03 |
| AlanBell | orca can output to braille readers | 14:03 |
| hajour | ok great | 14:03 |
| hajour | was afraid i had make mistake AlanBell | 14:03 |
| hajour | i am only human i learn everyday more | 14:03 |
| AlanBell | you mean "text" rather than "font"? | 14:05 |
| AlanBell | font is the shape or style of letters | 14:05 |
| hajour | they want replace font by speech | 14:05 |
| MrChrisDruif | hajour; The same input used to make speech can be used for input in braille machine afaik | 14:05 |
| hajour | what i really would like to know or the fonts are needed still somewhere for a accessibility program AlanBell | 14:06 |
| AlanBell | you really don't mean fonts! | 14:06 |
| AlanBell | so a gtk button widget should have an accessible name which orca can read, even if it has no text lable associated with it | 14:07 |
| AlanBell | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refreshable_Braille_display | 14:08 |
| hajour | o how it is called then AlanBell ? | 14:08 |
| AlanBell | I think you are talking about a text label on a button | 14:08 |
| AlanBell | a font is a typeface | 14:08 |
| hajour | the pic s what are on a tabel AlanBell | 14:13 |
| AlanBell | sorry, I don't understand | 14:15 |
| hajour | a icon | 14:16 |
| hajour | just heard from UndiFineD | 14:16 |
| hajour | go over the icon with your mouse and then it speaks | 14:16 |
| AlanBell | so in the orca preferences check the "speak object under mouse" checkbox | 14:18 |
| hajour | yes that go work automatically | 14:19 |
| AlanBell | ok, but they are not going to enable at-spi and orca by default | 14:20 |
| AlanBell | or have the computer making noises by default | 14:20 |
| hajour | just have read back AlanBell thanks for explaining | 15:06 |
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| AlanBell | hi all | 22:21 |
| AlanBell | we talked some time ago about compiling a "most wanted" list of a11y applications | 22:22 |
| AlanBell | any suggestions for such a list? | 22:22 |
| MrChrisDruif | speechcontrol ;) | 22:29 |
| fregl | maco: there you have my proposal to get rid of QT_ACCESSIBILITY=1 on the mailing lists | 22:30 |
| maco | yay! | 22:31 |
| * AlanBell wonders if maco has a few minutes to look at http://pad.ubuntu.com/AccessibilityInfrastructure | 22:36 | |
| AlanBell | maco: I was mostly guessing at the at-spi and qt-at-spi stuff so feel free to correct me | 22:41 |
| charlie-tca | AlanBell: like https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Accessibility/Team/Goals ? | 22:41 |
| charlie-tca | or maybe https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Accessibility/NewSoftware | 22:41 |
| charlie-tca | or a page linked from one of those? | 22:41 |
| maco | AlanBell: looking | 22:41 |
| maco | AlanBell: sorry im an auto-editor, so you're getting spelling/capitalisation/etc. stuff in here too | 22:42 |
| AlanBell | yay | 22:43 |
| MrChrisDruif | Ahhh, charlie-tca :D | 22:44 |
| MrChrisDruif | I wanted to talk to you :) | 22:44 |
| maco | AlanBell: should i or shouldnt i add kxkbd to the onscreen kbd section? | 22:44 |
| AlanBell | you should :) | 22:44 |
| MrChrisDruif | charlie-tca; are you available for a small chat? | 22:46 |
| charlie-tca | sure, got about 3 minutes now | 22:46 |
| MrChrisDruif | xD | 22:46 |
| MrChrisDruif | Might cut it close | 22:46 |
| charlie-tca | busy day today for me | 22:46 |
| MrChrisDruif | Alrighty; you are test-manager or something for one of the Ubuntu projects or something? | 22:46 |
| charlie-tca | may have to head out of town again tonight to see a friend that won't make the night | 22:47 |
| charlie-tca | yes | 22:47 |
| charlie-tca | I test a lot of images | 22:47 |
| charlie-tca | and I am the Xubuntu Project testing lead | 22:47 |
| charlie-tca | and I seem to be the accessibility testing person too | 22:47 |
| MrChrisDruif | That was it....anyhow, what does it mean to be testing lead? | 22:47 |
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| charlie-tca | It means writing the test cases, which describe how to test the image or applications, do the tests, file bugs when things fail, follow up and test again when something changes | 22:48 |
| charlie-tca | maintain the testing pages of the team wiki, make sure people know to contact for issues with testing | 22:49 |
| charlie-tca | I downĺoad and test up to 8 images a day | 22:49 |
| MrChrisDruif | .....O_O | 22:49 |
| MrChrisDruif | O......M......G......! | 22:50 |
| MrChrisDruif | 8? | 22:50 |
| MrChrisDruif | Different distros? | 22:50 |
| charlie-tca | and I told kubuntu I would add their accessibility testing to my lists | 22:50 |
| charlie-tca | ubuntu alternate and desktop, 32 and 64bit | 22:50 |
| charlie-tca | xubuntu alternate and desktop, 32 and 64 bit | 22:50 |
| charlie-tca | studio alternate 32 and 64 bit | 22:50 |
| MrChrisDruif | Ahh, alright | 22:51 |
| charlie-tca | and server images | 22:51 |
| MrChrisDruif | Alright, that would be 4 per distro | 22:51 |
| charlie-tca | it takes me about 4 to 6 hours to zsync right now | 22:51 |
| charlie-tca | and now, add Kubuntu | 22:51 |
| MrChrisDruif | zsync? | 22:51 |
| charlie-tca | replacement for rsync, so you don't have to download the complete image each time | 22:52 |
| charlie-tca | it just grabs the changes and adds them in to the image on the hard disk | 22:52 |
| MrChrisDruif | That would be so awesome =-O :D:D | 22:52 |
| MrChrisDruif | That would also help *my idea* | 22:52 |
| charlie-tca | That means if I have to download the entire images, I can not do it in 24 hours | 22:52 |
| MrChrisDruif | Slow connection? | 22:53 |
| charlie-tca | very | 22:53 |
| MrChrisDruif | Dial-up? | 22:53 |
| charlie-tca | about 8 hours for the ubuntu dvd | 22:53 |
| charlie-tca | no, broadband | 22:53 |
| charlie-tca | 1.2 Mb/s | 22:53 |
| MrChrisDruif | But 8 hours for dvd? | 22:53 |
| charlie-tca | except reality is 256 kb | 22:53 |
| MrChrisDruif | Torrents ftw | 22:54 |
| MrChrisDruif | Where could I get started on getting set up? What kinds of tests should I think of etc? | 22:55 |
| charlie-tca | for? | 22:55 |
| charlie-tca | start with basic user installation. What does the user need to do to make the install work? | 22:56 |
| charlie-tca | Can the user get a part of the app working, then must configure things? | 22:56 |
| MrChrisDruif | Head of Testing | 22:56 |
| charlie-tca | Do they need to add any library files? | 22:57 |
| maco | AlanBell: ok, there are some edits | 22:57 |
| charlie-tca | when the software is installed, does it work or must they first do something? | 22:57 |
| charlie-tca | If it works, are there shortcut keys that can be used? do they all work? | 22:57 |
| AlanBell | thanks maco | 22:57 |
| charlie-tca | Does the software actually do what the user expects instead of what the developers expect? | 22:58 |
| MrChrisDruif | There isn't a page about that? What kind of tests do you do for the images? | 22:58 |
| charlie-tca | The tests we do we wrote | 22:58 |
| charlie-tca | Here is the page of QA tests - http://testcases.qa.ubuntu.com/ | 22:59 |
| charlie-tca | note there are install tests, and application tests | 22:59 |
| charlie-tca | for the images, we do about 8 tests per image just to test the installs | 22:59 |
| charlie-tca | anything that does not work according to the user expectations is a fail | 23:01 |
| charlie-tca | The fact that something works for 32bit does not mean woriking in 64bit. Working on desktop image can still fail on alternate image | 23:03 |
| charlie-tca | okay, gotta run | 23:03 |
| MrChrisDruif | Thanks so far charlie-tca, well talk again :) | 23:03 |
| MrChrisDruif | we'll* | 23:03 |
| === MisterX is now known as JasonO | ||
| === JasonO is now known as MIsterX | ||
| === MIsterX is now known as MisterX | ||
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