=== JasonO is now known as MisterX [12:40] http://pad.ubuntu.com/AccessibilityInfrastructure if people want to help with that it would be great [12:40] going to make it a blog article then wiki page [12:46] Ahh...orangy :D [12:47] ....no, not blue <_<" [12:53] nice AlanBell [12:53] that was a good read [13:06] need TheMuso and maco do explain more of the at-spi and qt-at-spi stuff [13:44] hi all [13:52] Aloha hajour [13:53] hi MrChrisDruif [13:54] hi hajour, did you enjoy UDS? [13:54] yes last 2 days most AlanBell [13:54] no last 3 [13:55] AlanBell, is this pad for Ubuntu-Manual ? [13:55] not really, but I suppose it could be [13:55] I think it would be very readable [13:56] http://pad.ubuntu.com/AccessibilityInfrastructure <- hajour [13:57] ok thanks UndiFineD [13:57] TheMuso suggested writing something like that so people know how the Ubuntu accessibility infrastructure slots together [13:57] Well the manual needs a chpter on it anyways [13:57] I think he was a bit perplexed by whatever it is that browserspeak is attempting to do [13:57] so I think this could be used there [13:58] sure, it can go in the manual, that would be great [13:58] I will also run it past Amber to see if she wants any of it for the official book [13:59] AlanBell, well eventually I hope to see SpeechControl like: Simon Listens -> command execution -> output humanification -> speechdispatcher [13:59] AlanBell, we can suggest to make a option to choose to have lines or speak or boths [13:59] the first 2 are already there and the last, we are just missing the humanification [14:00] the first two are not in Ubuntu [14:00] i can take contact with them about that [14:00] AlanBell, as I understand bedahr is still working on that [14:00] hajour: not sure I understand about lines? [14:00] i can read finally my mail now very happy about that [14:00] well i just thought about a thing [14:01] they want to get rid of fonts by the buttons from firefox ect [14:01] and replace it with speech [14:01] but [14:02] i was thinking i not sure about that so just fill me more in.do braille programs not need just the fonts also? [14:02] i mean do braille programs the fonts [14:02] AlanBell, [14:02] really not sure what you mean now [14:02] braille does not have fonts, it is a pattern of dots [14:03] yes i know [14:03] orca can output to braille readers [14:03] ok great [14:03] was afraid i had make mistake AlanBell [14:03] i am only human i learn everyday more [14:05] you mean "text" rather than "font"? [14:05] font is the shape or style of letters [14:05] they want replace font by speech [14:05] hajour; The same input used to make speech can be used for input in braille machine afaik [14:06] what i really would like to know or the fonts are needed still somewhere for a accessibility program AlanBell [14:06] you really don't mean fonts! [14:07] so a gtk button widget should have an accessible name which orca can read, even if it has no text lable associated with it [14:08] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refreshable_Braille_display [14:08] o how it is called then AlanBell ? [14:08] I think you are talking about a text label on a button [14:08] a font is a typeface [14:13] the pic s what are on a tabel AlanBell [14:15] sorry, I don't understand [14:16] a icon [14:16] just heard from UndiFineD [14:16] go over the icon with your mouse and then it speaks [14:18] so in the orca preferences check the "speak object under mouse" checkbox [14:19] yes that go work automatically [14:20] ok, but they are not going to enable at-spi and orca by default [14:20] or have the computer making noises by default [15:06] just have read back AlanBell thanks for explaining === yaili_ is now known as yaili === Cheri703 is now known as Cheri__ === Cheri__ is now known as Cheri703__ [22:21] hi all [22:22] we talked some time ago about compiling a "most wanted" list of a11y applications [22:22] any suggestions for such a list? [22:29] speechcontrol ;) [22:30] maco: there you have my proposal to get rid of QT_ACCESSIBILITY=1 on the mailing lists [22:31] yay! [22:36] * AlanBell wonders if maco has a few minutes to look at http://pad.ubuntu.com/AccessibilityInfrastructure [22:41] maco: I was mostly guessing at the at-spi and qt-at-spi stuff so feel free to correct me [22:41] AlanBell: like https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Accessibility/Team/Goals ? [22:41] or maybe https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Accessibility/NewSoftware [22:41] or a page linked from one of those? [22:41] AlanBell: looking [22:42] AlanBell: sorry im an auto-editor, so you're getting spelling/capitalisation/etc. stuff in here too [22:43] yay [22:44] Ahhh, charlie-tca :D [22:44] I wanted to talk to you :) [22:44] AlanBell: should i or shouldnt i add kxkbd to the onscreen kbd section? [22:44] you should :) [22:46] charlie-tca; are you available for a small chat? [22:46] sure, got about 3 minutes now [22:46] xD [22:46] Might cut it close [22:46] busy day today for me [22:46] Alrighty; you are test-manager or something for one of the Ubuntu projects or something? [22:47] may have to head out of town again tonight to see a friend that won't make the night [22:47] yes [22:47] I test a lot of images [22:47] and I am the Xubuntu Project testing lead [22:47] and I seem to be the accessibility testing person too [22:47] That was it....anyhow, what does it mean to be testing lead? === MIsterX is now known as MisterX [22:48] It means writing the test cases, which describe how to test the image or applications, do the tests, file bugs when things fail, follow up and test again when something changes [22:49] maintain the testing pages of the team wiki, make sure people know to contact for issues with testing [22:49] I downĺoad and test up to 8 images a day [22:49] .....O_O [22:50] O......M......G......! [22:50] 8? [22:50] Different distros? [22:50] and I told kubuntu I would add their accessibility testing to my lists [22:50] ubuntu alternate and desktop, 32 and 64bit [22:50] xubuntu alternate and desktop, 32 and 64 bit [22:50] studio alternate 32 and 64 bit [22:51] Ahh, alright [22:51] and server images [22:51] Alright, that would be 4 per distro [22:51] it takes me about 4 to 6 hours to zsync right now [22:51] and now, add Kubuntu [22:51] zsync? [22:52] replacement for rsync, so you don't have to download the complete image each time [22:52] it just grabs the changes and adds them in to the image on the hard disk [22:52] That would be so awesome =-O :D:D [22:52] That would also help *my idea* [22:52] That means if I have to download the entire images, I can not do it in 24 hours [22:53] Slow connection? [22:53] very [22:53] Dial-up? [22:53] about 8 hours for the ubuntu dvd [22:53] no, broadband [22:53] 1.2 Mb/s [22:53] But 8 hours for dvd? [22:53] except reality is 256 kb [22:54] Torrents ftw [22:55] Where could I get started on getting set up? What kinds of tests should I think of etc? [22:55] for? [22:56] start with basic user installation. What does the user need to do to make the install work? [22:56] Can the user get a part of the app working, then must configure things? [22:56] Head of Testing [22:57] Do they need to add any library files? [22:57] AlanBell: ok, there are some edits [22:57] when the software is installed, does it work or must they first do something? [22:57] If it works, are there shortcut keys that can be used? do they all work? [22:57] thanks maco [22:58] Does the software actually do what the user expects instead of what the developers expect? [22:58] There isn't a page about that? What kind of tests do you do for the images? [22:58] The tests we do we wrote [22:59] Here is the page of QA tests - http://testcases.qa.ubuntu.com/ [22:59] note there are install tests, and application tests [22:59] for the images, we do about 8 tests per image just to test the installs [23:01] anything that does not work according to the user expectations is a fail [23:03] The fact that something works for 32bit does not mean woriking in 64bit. Working on desktop image can still fail on alternate image [23:03] okay, gotta run [23:03] Thanks so far charlie-tca, well talk again :) [23:03] we'll* === MisterX is now known as JasonO === JasonO is now known as MIsterX === MIsterX is now known as MisterX