=== Braiam-away is now known as Braiam === nigelb is now known as Guest3995 === Guest3995 is now known as nigelb [04:25] hello folks [04:26] sleeping for 15 hours was definitely a good idea :) [04:26] :) [04:27] nigelb: http://www.flickr.com/photos/pleia2/5722884686/ [04:27] \o/ [04:28] pleia2, that came out good :) [04:28] I took two naps today, ETA on sleep being back to normal is June :) [04:28] haha, yeah with so little travel :p [04:29] tonight I'm picking my boyfriend up at the airport at 2:30AM (should have been 11:30 but lots of delays) [04:30] ick [04:30] but on the plus side, your sleep schedule may be still wacky [04:30] nothing to ruin on my next trips? [04:30] hehe [04:31] heh === nigelb is now known as Guest10065 === Guest10065 is now known as nigelb [06:44] Home again!!! [06:45] and Finland are the new ice hockey world champions!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D [07:49] jussi: but we beat you at singing [07:59] "singing" [08:00] what passes for singing anyway [08:26] tsimpson: are you sure thats singing? I thought that was some form of random crap... :P [08:27] random words + music == song [08:46] Good morning dpm :) [08:46] ahoy jussi :) [08:46] jussi: are you back in finland? [08:46] good morning nigelb! [08:46] good morning everyone [08:46] nigelb: yes [08:47] did everyone got back home well? [08:48] Yeah, I guess [09:00] * kim0 waves hi [09:01] glad everyone is back safely [09:02] good morning [09:03] dholbach: morning man [09:04] hi kim0 [09:08] Yay! Welcome back! [09:17] hey popey :) [09:22] hey kim0, dholbach [09:22] dholbach: Was it an okay drive? :) [09:22] hey nigelb [09:22] nigelb, it was :) [09:22] popey: We had a fantastic idea for April 1, shut down a website and say "Popey shut it down!" [09:22] ;) [09:24] nigelb: hey man :) [09:25] dholbach: did you "drive" home ? [09:25] kim0: You must be very glad the time zone in Hungary was the same as yours [09:25] haha .. yeah that helps :) [09:26] kim0, I flew to Frankfurt, took the train to my parents' place on Sat and drove to Berlin with all my stuff on Sunday [09:27] ah ... so you used them all :) no boats involved :) [09:27] haha [09:27] next time, take a ferry across the river and you'll cover them all ;) [09:28] Also, whoever told me - "stay in the city a few days after the party" gave me good advice, only I didn't follow it [09:28] Flying with a hangover from All Stars party is *not* a great idea [09:44] morning kim0, dholbach, jussi [09:46] hey dpm [10:04] dpm: hey man [10:04] hey hey :) [10:05] :) [10:08] Aloha [10:08] Daviey: I guess we have a bunch of spam in etherpad notes :\ [10:09] I remember restoring 3 sessions, and I guess you just restored one [10:12] morning czajkowski [10:12] dpm: :) hey there [10:12] nigelb, how can sessions be restored? [10:13] dpm: http://pad.ubuntu.com/ep/pad/view//latest [10:13] then, go to the scroller there and it will let to restore manually to the last version [10:13] almost every edit is automatically saved [10:14] I'll probably get jorge to add some stuff about this next time around in an email. [10:19] cool, thanks [10:21] nigelb: aye [10:22] nigelb: If someone does the work, perhaps next time edits will be tied to Ubuntu SSO.. unauthed vistors get read only view. [10:33] Daviey: I like how you hint on me doing the work ;) [10:33] Daviey: But that kind of stuff needs *lots* of java coding, I suck at java. [10:35] nigelb: nah, it's all server side javascript for that part :P [10:35] Daviey: hehe [10:36] nigelb: I'll watch my launchpad merge request folder waiting for a proposal from you :) [10:36] Daviey: I mailed you about something last night, but I can't remember what it was [10:36] err yeah [10:36] aha, etherpad, yes [10:36] Hashtag support [10:36] yup [10:36] Is that something post 1.1 in the apt repository? [10:37] That needs IS to enable the plugin, and i held off nagging them as they were clearly busy with $stuff. [10:37] I remember you're running trunk or close enough to trunk [10:37] I enabled the plugins in mine and so did AlanBell, didn't work for either of us [10:37] how odd. [10:38] * Daviey decides who to blame. [10:40] I think the feature was half baked in 1.1, but that's just my feeling [10:40] I wish there was an easy way to run this stuff off ~/ instead of installing it [10:44] hmm [10:44] there is... [10:44] you don't *need* to use packages [10:48] canonical website sends you your email password in plain text [10:48] not smart! === daker_ is now known as daker [10:54] czajkowski: the taleo thing? [10:54] czajkowski: I hate that thing in *so* many ways :\ [10:54] Daviey: oh? Do you have time to help me set it up later today? [10:55] I want to make the ubuntu theme a little more friendly and include a link to the read-only version [10:55] https://bugs.launchpad.net/hr-recruitment/+bug/783392 [10:55] czajkowski: Error: bug 783392 not found [10:56] arf [10:56] private bug that'll be [10:56] Its an external software that's customized for Canonical and its hooked to Hr systems I'm told. I asked people why they wanted to buy something. [10:57] popey: marked it as s security issue [10:57] ah, no wonder I couldn't see the bug [10:57] but I'm not sure if LP should 404 on that :/ [10:57] it should [10:57] well [10:58] I believe it shouldn't [10:58] it should be 403 right? [10:58] but feel free to have that argument with lifeless [10:58] no [10:58] he (and others) believe it should pretend private bugs do not exist [10:58] I am not about to have that conversation yet again :) [10:58] makred it for their attention https://launchpad.net/~canonical-isd-hackers [10:59] popey: if it has been argued before, and by you of all the people, I'm not doing that again. [10:59] czajkowski++ [10:59] nigelb: sure [10:59] Daviey: \o/ Thanks [11:02] czajkowski: I do agree the recuriting website is less than cool, in so many ways. Ibet it wasn't cheap either. [11:02] nigelb: i lost [11:03] Daviey: I would like so much just to have a community maintained one [11:04] But unless we let Canonical know that key resources can be maintained by community (hopefully with summit), I don't think its very hopeful at this point. [11:04] nigelb: well to be fair, there needs to be a gurantee of support and security. [11:04] I suspect a HR community summit would not be ideal tbh [11:04] be nie to be impartial [11:05] popey: I can suscribe you to the bug [11:05] so you can see it [11:05] Daviey: Yeah, I'm yet to a community that does that. Mozilla uses Jobvite too. [11:07] issue WONT FIX [11:07] hate that bug comment so much [11:09] czajkowski: I have no burning desire to see it, but now I have :) [11:09] czajkowski: What is a better status for a bug that is valid, but nobody is ever going to fix? [11:10] popey: added you to the bug [11:10] Daviey: cant fixt [11:10] *fix [11:10] wont is just harsh [11:10] and not really good enough for a bug [11:10] as its a bug [11:11] Wait, did someone Won't Fix the bug czajkowski just filed? [11:11] Daviey: or say not under our area which the bug does say, but saying wont fix is just ilogical on a bug report [11:11] we have bazillions of WON'T FIX bugs, which will judt idle in Confirmed forever because we don't use that status. [11:11] Daviey: aye so not a great way to view bugs [11:11] nigelb: yes, it's taelo issue not a canonical issue [11:11] I'd say that wontfix is the right one for that bug [11:11] its third party code [11:12] like filing bugs against the nvidia driver [11:12] we _can't_ fix that [11:12] aye so we_can't_fix is better than we won't fix [11:12] meh [11:12] semantics [11:13] well not really [11:13] I know it's something small [11:13] but its just the wording is wrong for a bug report [11:13] and narks me off no end [11:13] if a customer read that on a bug [11:14] in a commercial environment it really wouldnt go down well [11:14] ok, so it should be "invalid" [11:14] because you have filed a bug in code we dont own [11:17] yeah [11:23] "won't fix" is a useful status I think, "patches welcome" would also be good, but different [11:24] But won't fix != I don't have time to fix it, its more like "We don't want to do that in the course of development of this product" [11:24] exactly [11:25] patches not welcome [11:25] and it totally does happen in proprietary environments! [11:26] Yeah [11:27] I hate saying this, but at my old work place, I used to use that kind of a status often when closing bugs [11:27] "This is not something I envision we'll need, won't fix" [11:27] they would say something like "thank you for your product improvement suggestion, we have reviewed it carefully and concluded that it does not align with the vision of our product roadmap" [11:28] You're fairly good at this ;) [11:29] it then gets tagged internally as PFO [11:29] which is slightly more harsh than won't fix [11:32] if we used or wrote that on last jobs tickets we;d get hauled over the coals [11:32] too many customers would have issues with that [11:32] AlanBell: PFO? [11:32] * popey notes he said "internally" [11:32] Please Off? [11:32] Internal notes about customers are fun! [11:33] ahhh [11:33] please and thankyou are very important [11:33] * AlanBell is polite [11:33] * nigelb notes that for future internal notes [11:33] I once went to get a ticket from the BA ticket desk, woman said "Who is Amanda?' (name changed to protect guilty), I said "She's the woman at the office who books tickets, why?"... [11:34] "Oh, no reason". I asked "You have a notes field there with something about Amanda don't you?", "Maybe", "Go on, tell me!" [11:34] And she did [11:34] lots of horrible comments about the woman I worked with [11:35] that happens at call centers [11:35] I've heard of plenty of notes [11:37] oh you can make security bugs public [11:37] didn;t see that option [11:38] ok, so that one should be invalid [11:38] indeed [11:39] report it to talio and they would probably politely say won'tfix [11:41] Ok, some people might say its a bad idea, but if czajkowski blogs about it, trust me, it will be fixed soon. [11:41] If you do it after reporting to taleo, it will more 'proper' though [11:41] nigelb: went to lauchpad channel [11:41] already poking people about it [11:42] czajkowski: how would you file a bug against nvidia or skype? [11:42] would you file a bug in launchpad then go to #launchpad and poke people? [11:42] czajkowski: no I meant the original bug, the one about plain text passwords? [11:42] or would you go to upstream, to the people who can actually fix it? [11:43] popey: she poked lp about fixing the status :) [11:43] popey: trying to do 2 things [11:43] a lot of websites send the password in plain text when using the forgot password option, iirc even google.. (they send to the email of the account that is registered) [11:43] she can change the status of the bug herself [11:43] thats not hard [11:43] I belive won't fix and invalid have a fixed status [11:43] popey: trying to work out if there is an alternative status [11:44] and also I was going to ask when the role out of the issue they are goig to fix it with is going to happen [11:44] * popey wonders how much time you're going to spend on this non-ubuntu non-launchpad bug :S [11:44] sorry I mentioned it in here now [11:44] hah [11:45] Sorry, I didn't intend to irritate. [11:45] popey: yer not really [11:45] I know you better than that [11:45] I'm trying to distract myself from job hunting [11:46] as I need a break and filing a bug that way is wrong, plain and simple [11:46] and I need to not keep on job sites as I'm starting to go mad [11:46] :( [11:46] czajkowski: bacon sandwich always helps. [11:46] Tea! [11:46] popey: sorry for snapping [11:46] np [11:46] \o/ [11:46] there is no milk in this house unless I buy some, and shops were closed when I came up [11:46] Oh, mint and chilli tea is yummy btw [11:47] I do have lots of chocolate [11:47] http://twitpic.com/4vy4va [11:47] http://twitpic.com/4vy4vb [11:47] * nigelb hugs czajkowski [11:48] czajkowski: Canonical job site is really bad from what I've seen, btw [11:48] Maybe you should apply for a job on the board of canonical, I hear they've been DECIMATED! [11:48] http://lxnews.org/2011/05/16/canonicals-board-decimated/ [11:48] haha [11:49] seriously? [11:49] :/ [11:49] popey: did you close down that board ! [11:49] :p [11:50] czajkowski++ [11:50] haha [11:50] good one [11:50] OR did you close down their mailing list so they couldn't talk to each other and got frustrated? :P [11:59] mornin [12:13] morning [12:14] hi mhall119 [12:14] what's popey closing down now? [12:15] mhall119: the world :P [12:16] mhall119: Ubuntu [12:16] ;-) [12:16] oh great, now I'll have to switch to Arch [12:16] mhall119: oh, just the board oof CAnonical [14:31] jussi, if someone wants to create and keep a new IRC channel, what should they do? [14:37] dpm: Take a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/CreatingChannels [14:38] Pici, great, that was exactly what I needed, thanks [15:34] jcastro: can we keep using the etherpad for Ubuntu related, but uds docs? [15:35] * popey cuddles Technoviking [15:35] Technoviking: I believe we can :) [15:48] Technoviking: go for it, but remember it isn't for permanent documentation, it is a tool for collaboratively drafting stuff [15:49] everything done on it for UDS should be on it's way somewhere else by now, generally a blueprint whiteboard [15:54] AlanBell: maybe I will create a doogle doc:) [15:54] google doc even [15:55] what is it for? [15:56] hey jono, I take it you didn't miss your flight because you were too [15:57] hey all [15:57] nigelb, nope, got back safe and sound :-) [15:57] nigelb, you make it home? [15:57] jono: yup, got back yesterday, safely. Finished Day 1 of back at work [15:57] nigelb, cool :-) [15:57] nigelb, was great to meet you! [15:57] jono: you too! Aaand, I finally made it to a UDS! [15:58] how is akgraner doing? [15:59] hey jono, good morning [15:59] hey dpm :-) [16:00] * popey tickles jono on the chin [16:00] c'mere you! [16:01] hey popey :-) [16:01] kim0, about ready? [16:02] jono: hmm yeah [16:02] kim0, we will make it quick as we just got back to work [16:02] yeah cool [16:03] Technoviking: I'm wondering the same too. I'm mostly waiting for jfo to show up on IRC. [16:33] kim0, ping? [16:34] here [16:43] Technoviking: nigelb: last I heard they were in Miami, they're probably home by now [16:44] mhall119: phew [16:44] I figure after hearing about Ubuntu from her for a couple hours, the docs sent her home [16:46] mhall119: hahaha [16:53] ok, calling it a day, see you all tomorrow! [17:05] nigelb: cjohnston and I gave away a CD to a guy at a bar in JFK for her [17:06] :) [17:30] jono, ready? [17:30] dholbach, wrapping a chat with Rick, one sec [17:31] great [17:35] dholbach, ok, one sec [18:01] alright my friends [18:01] have a great rest of your day [18:01] see you all tomorrow! [18:01] * dholbach hugs you all [18:18] doctormo, responded to your blog [18:18] could you approve it? [18:55] jcastro, around? [19:06] tempted to blog about how I hate unity just so we can get three in row at the top of planet ubuntu :) [19:07] popey: hummmm.... :) [19:07] :D [19:07] * paultag posts C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER [19:08] heh [19:09] I could back-date a post to put it anywhere in the line anyway :) [19:09] Is the launchpad blog post broken for anyone? [19:09] I think we should have popey shut down planet [19:09] so tempting [19:09] lmao!! [19:09] haha, jcastro is ALIVE! === daker is now known as daker_ [19:10] jcastro: can we please please shut down ubuntu.com on april 1 and have it say "popey shut us down?" [19:10] heh [19:11] anyway, I switched to irccloud [19:11] they are *awesome* [19:11] http://teo-en-ming-aka-zhang-enming.blogspot.com/ [19:11] this person [19:11] GRRRR! [19:11] subscribes to ubuntu-users, posts utter garbage [19:11] popey: that looks like spam [19:11] doesnt it [19:11] but I guess it's not [19:11] so i switched on the flag in mailman so it mails me when people subscribe to the list [19:11] but it feels like spam :) [19:11] popey: you might like my lightning talk [19:11] delete the world! [19:12] jcastro: why didn't you add a small note "be a popey today!" [19:12] is that why Technoviking deleted wiki.ubuntu.com/gwibber? [19:12] yes [19:12] and why vish deleted wiki.ubuntu.com/JorgeCastro! [19:12] causing a bug to be filed because the twitter product "gwibber" points there! [19:13] that wiki page should just redirect to gwibber.com tbh [19:13] It *is* a wiki. [19:13] thats fine, but it shouldn't _not_ exist. [19:13] jcastro: you should make clear that wiki.ubuntu.com != help.ubuntu.com [19:13] and which needs more deletions [19:13] given your boss links to it :) [19:13] http://twitter.com/#!/jonobacon/status/70183642873339905 [19:13] doctormo, posted another comment, approve please [19:13] "25 minutes ago via Ubuntu" -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Gwibber [19:13] I would just redirect it [19:13] feel free [19:13] doctormo, you should really set your blog up to approve posts from previously approved people [19:14] +1 [19:14] +1 there [19:14] I do that, saves a lot of work :) [19:14] help, help, I'm being repressed! [19:15] yay [19:15] jcastro: broke the wiki [19:16] ugh [19:16] working on it [19:16] jono: http://notalwaysright.com/his-heads-up-in-the-sky-with-diamonds/11576 [19:17] paultag: you too ^^ [19:17] * paultag waves to nigelb [19:17] * nigelb waves back to paultag [19:17] pssst jcastro I dont think you can redirect off-site :) [19:17] nigelb: ha! [19:17] nigelb: that's a goodun [19:17] popey: I think you can, I've done it [19:17] looking it up [19:17] paultag: I finally met pleia2! [19:18] Yay for meeting first few people I talked to on IRC [19:18] nigelb: woo :) [19:18] paultag: Now to plan on meeting you some time [19:18] nigelb, :-) [19:18] nigelb: :) [19:18] I missed passing that link to dholbach and jfo doesnt seem to be here yet [19:20] popey: try it now. :) [19:21] AlanBell: Are you identifying yourself as alan lord accidentally on ubuntu users planet? [19:22] jcastro: blank page [19:22] oh wait [19:22] it worked [19:23] nigelb: there are two alans in that company [19:23] popey: I know, but it seems to work on planet correctly [19:23] yay jcastro ! [19:23] ugh [19:23] really [19:23] nigelb: i suspect it's because they use authors [19:23] jcastro: works [19:23] "Users do not have permission on this wiki to delete or rename pages. Doing so can sometimes cause accidental, yet major, problems. This includes, but is not limited to, breaking links within the wiki itself and on the internet, as well as people's bookmarks." [19:23] nigelb: I guess they are taking the root feed rather than author feeds [19:24] jcastro: find ken and fix the twitter's link? [19:24] jcastro: that'd be more productive really [19:24] in the long term yes [19:24] awesome [19:24] I can't even delete a wiki page in this project without joining a mailing list. [19:24] but right now, the issue is the link from twitter was taking people to a broken page [19:24] sure you can [19:25] popey: yeah, true. [19:28] uggh [19:39] hey yo jono, I might be out shopping (I'm cooking for some folks tonight), if there's any way we could push a chat a bit forward that'd be awesome, otherwise I can PM you my (real) phone number and we can do that [19:40] I know it's in a while, just giving a heads up [19:41] paultag, you mean later? [19:41] paultag, or earlier? [19:41] jono: yeah, in now+3 hours [19:41] jono: push it earlier, if you can [19:42] paultag, sure, I am free whenever [19:42] free now if you want to hear me eat my lunch while we chat [19:42] :-) [19:42] jono: well I never get between a man and his meal, after you're done? [19:42] jono: Thanks for your great comments, apologies for having to fool you in order to run a test. I think I'm turning into one of those jerk off artists that love messing about with society. ;-) [19:42] paultag, sure, will ping you soon [19:42] jono: rock on, thanks! [19:42] doctormo, fool me? [19:44] jono: My post is in transition to explain. [19:45] doctormo, what do you mean? [19:45] it was a chain yanking post? [19:46] I'm banging my head on the table because I just wrote the explaination and wordpress ate it. Damn you wordpress! [19:46] doctormo, ahhh ok [19:47] Everyone have a good time at UDS? [19:47]