=== Braiam-away is now known as Braiam [05:40] Good morning [05:42] pitti: but it's still dark [05:42] not here :) (6:42 am) [05:45] 00:42 here :P [05:57] Good morning pitti, how was UDS? [06:30] yay oneiric [06:34] Good Morning, Europeans! [06:36] jasoncwarner: a localized greeting... [06:42] * TheMuso waves. [06:42] Hey folks. [06:42] * TheMuso is only on for a short while. [06:44] hey TheMuso....uneventful trip home? [06:44] * Braiam gives a power source to TheMuso [06:45] jasoncwarner: Very much so thankfully, unfortunately I think I caught a little something from Robert, although I don't think I got it nearly as bad as he did. [06:45] TheMuso: I hear ya. I'm not feeling swell today either. oldest has something...I'm being attacked at every turn! [06:46] I feel much better today then I did on Saturday, and ven Saturday I didn't feel *that* bad. [06:46] I've just had a slight temperature, slightly sore throat, and a slight cough, the first 2 having now been thrown off. [06:46] A couple of good nights of sleep should help kill the rest. [06:48] hey jasoncwarner, hey TheMuso [06:48] Hey pitti. [06:48] jasoncwarner: it'll get better with each UDS [06:49] after 5 or so of those, your immune system should be trained a lot better against germs from other parts of the world :) [06:49] morning pitti...you mean my immune system will get stronger? Strong enough to fight off this ubuflu I keep hearing about? [06:50] I used to bring home Ubuflu pretty much each time, but seems I survived three in a row now (plus sprints) [06:50] get well soon, guys! [06:50] Ok...new meta-goal for 14.04: no desktop team member comes home sick! [06:50] pie in the face goal? [06:50] ;) [06:51] deal! [06:52] I'm usually one who can survive the week without getting something, however I don't think I got enough sleep, period, making me vulnarable. [06:53] vulnerable [07:15] good morning everyone [07:15] TheMuso, oh, you've had ubuflu too? [07:30] hey chrisccoulson, how are you? [07:30] hi pitti, good thanks (although, i think i'm starting to get ubuflu) [07:30] how are you? [07:31] meh, ubuflu seems to have hit hard again :/ [07:31] I'm quite fine, thanks! just need to get used again to getting up at 6 [07:32] i don't like getting up early ;) [07:32] although, i was up at 5am this morning [07:32] my daughter seems to think that when the sun comes up in the morning, it is time to wake up [07:33] i wish i could tell her that 5am is not a normal time for anybody to get up ;) [07:33] install blinds :) [07:34] we have a blackout blind in her room already, but she still just seems to wake up when it gets light outside [07:34] perhaps it's coincidence ;) [07:42] chrisccoulson: Not really, I've mostly shaken what I did have however. [07:54] good morning [07:56] bonjour didrocks, ca va? [07:57] guten morgen pitti! I'm fine thanks, and you? [07:57] didrocks: I'm great as well; so you didn't catch the ubuflu then? [07:57] great to hear that it didn't affect everyone [07:58] pitti: no, seems I'm safe after 2 weeks ;) I had to run through all paris airport to catch my second flight ( 6 minutes to run through the whole airport), but I just get my flight [07:58] pitti: are you affected? :( [08:05] didrocks: I'm not, fortunately [08:06] I had some troubles with the train as well, but in the end it was only 1:15 hours delay, so not too bad [08:07] didrocks: question about the CD size thing: splitting out unused compiz plugins, would that be a WI for smspillaz or for you? [08:07] Good moooorning, desktoppers! [08:08] pitti: it would be mine, feel free to add it [08:08] didrocks: thanks [08:08] hey Sweetshark [08:08] hey Sweetshark, good morning! [08:11] Sweetshark: did you catch your flight? [08:15] pitti: Yes, caught my flight. [08:15] jasoncwarner: are you fine with drafting https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-o-default-apps ? I wasn't in the session, so I'd have some trouble with drafting it [08:17] Flying on row 13 (labeled row 14) on a Friday, 13th while there was a late-game "default apps" session going on at UDS I was certain that at least LibreOffice would be kicked from the CD. What happened? [08:17] ^- pitti [08:17] Sweetshark: I haven't been in the session either [08:18] Sweetshark: but I could certainly envision shipping the full non-crippled LibO on the DVD, and not shipping it at all on the CD; the prerequisite for this is of course to make the DVD actually useful, and promote it more [08:19] Sweetshark: right now the DVD is a 4.2 GB monster, we want to reduce it to ~ 1.5 GB [08:19] but I think this should be considered/discussed carefully, not decided in a knee-jerk reaction [08:20] Right now we have to ship only some parts because we just can't fit the whole LibO on the CD [08:20] pitti: yep, it was funny to see at UDS how the first reaction to that idea was by most devs [08:20] but then again this also makes it quite a compelling sale: "Look, we can provide all this on just one CD" [08:21] and personally I'm quite proud that we managed to keep this rather small limit over the years [08:21] something along the lines of "*blink* you wanna solve our space-issues, by delivering less?" [08:21] while still provinding so much sw [08:22] Sweetshark: what's your feeling about what we should do? [08:22] i. e. do people generally complain about the things that are missing, or do they appreciate having a reduced LibO in the default install? [08:23] Sweetshark: right now https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-o-cdspace won't include a "drop LibO" WI; we still have lots of other opportunities [08:25] pitti: my feeling is nobody really complains about base missing, but they are annoyed when this breaks stuff in apps that we do ship (like bibliography in writer) [08:26] there's also things like math, clipart, etc? [08:27] personally, I would be sorry for calc vanishing as a starter from the dash in the default installation for example [08:28] I think we already discussed that, and you said that it would create quite some bugs as well [08:28] as these are so tightly integrated [08:28] so I'd rather not break it that way either [08:29] math is heavily integrated and used inside of writer, openclipart is not needed on the CD IMHO (do we ship that? /me checks the deps) [08:33] hmmm "libreoffice suggests openclipart-libreoffice", but that does not include it on the CD right? [08:34] right [08:36] we could drop libreoffice-filters-mobiledev maybe ... [08:36] * vish thinks kenvandine made an excellent point; if LibO is on the Live CD, it gives an opportunity for users to actually test the various replacements Ubuntu offers rather than saying 'you can download and install stuff' [08:37] vish: that's why I like it as well [08:37] Sweetshark: that's just 92 kB; if it's not generally useful, we can certainly drop it, but we have bigger fish to fry, I think [08:37] Sweetshark: oh, it's in universe, thus we already don't ship it by default [08:37] do we need games on the CD ? if every bit counts, lets remove those.. ;) [08:38] but sudoku! *cough* [08:38] install from SC ;) [08:38] vish: in previous cycles we already threw out most of them, but we have some 5 remaining, yes [08:39] pitti: Games are ,IMO, something nice to have as an extra, but I dont thing people would be switching to Ubuntu based on the games we provide :) [08:40] but, just mentioning if we are in desperate need of space.. [08:40] I agree [08:40] * Sweetshark loves his littles Starcraft2 on Ubuntu. [08:51] wow, bug 783307 is useful :/ [08:51] Launchpad bug 783307 in firefox "e mail send goes nowhere" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/783307 [08:53] chrisccoulson: i no type passwrod correct [08:54] pitti - heh, that's what i was thinking ;) [08:55] chrisccoulson: reassign it to emacs -- unlike ffox, that at least has an MUA :) [08:59] pitti: feel free to add WI for me on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-o-loco-cds as well :) [08:59] didrocks: I haven't drafted that one yet, but I'll certainly need your experience there :0 [08:59] meh ESMILEY, :) [08:59] heh [09:00] * didrocks adds ESMILEY to the man page ;) [09:06] hey desktopers [09:06] salut seb128! [09:06] bonjour seb128, ca va? [09:07] ooh, door bell -- my new computer desk is arriving! [09:07] * pitti will be glad to stop sitting on the kitchen desk on the laptop [09:08] oh nice :) Photos will be required! ;) [09:08] pitti: beware! last time i thought my notbook was arriving it was Jahovas wittnesses ... [09:08] exactly: pics or it didnt happen [09:10] can anyone accept https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-dx-o-compiz for oneiric? (just proposed it, I'll add some WI, but smspillaz will be drafting it) [09:22] morning [09:23] good morning rodrigo__! [09:23] everyone back at home safely? [09:23] hey didrocks [09:25] hey rodrigo__ [09:27] hi seb128 [09:27] are you all still exhausted, or is it just me? :) [09:28] it's just you :p [09:28] but I slept 12 hours on saturday night and same this night [09:28] ok, I guess I'm too old [09:29] with a small nap on saturday [09:29] so it's like 25 hours sleep during the weekend ;-) [09:29] ah, you cheater, I haven't slept that much [09:29] just 7/8 hours each night [09:29] that might be why ;-) [09:29] yeah [09:30] didrocks, did you manage to get your flight with less than one hour in paris btw? [09:31] seb128: yeah \o/ after an heroic sprint to got through the whole cdg airport (from one terminal extreme to the opposite one) in less than 6 minutes [09:31] seb128: because, of course, we were delayed by 10 minutes [09:31] heh [09:31] and then, we got to the arrival gate by car (15 minutes) [09:31] didrocks, no security check to do then? [09:31] security check included :) [09:31] s/car/bus [09:32] but I really didn't want to wait for 4 hours for the next plane :) [09:32] didrocks, nothing like a good sprint to catch a plane :p [09:32] I'm sure that woke you up at least ;-) [09:32] hey chrisccoulson [09:32] :) [09:33] seb128: oh right! then, a lot of clothes on me to avoid catching a cold for the final flight. After stricking to not get the ubuflu after 2 weeks, that would have been a shame :-) [09:34] didrocks, glad that you manage then ;-) [09:34] +d [09:35] so am I :-) [09:35] seb128: and you? uneventful flight? [09:35] (https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-dx-o-bugs-triage-and-workflow ready for getting approval for oneiric) [09:36] yeah, there's been less ubuflu-affected people this time, afaik, did we talk to the OMS to get a vaccine? :) [09:36] OMS or World Health Org I guess is in English [09:37] so, now's a good time to move to oneiric, right? [09:38] didrocks, yeah, we were really early at the airport so we use the lounge card and go breakfast there, and the almost 2 hours in frankfurt was plenty of time, I didn't have to go through security for once so it took only half an hour to go through [09:38] rodrigo__, depends of how advanturous you are, pitti does update around this time usually [09:38] rodrigo__, what I tend to do is add the oneiric source and apt-get install what I need [09:38] rather than dist-upgrading [09:38] seb128, I guess I can just cherry-pick the updates [09:39] yeah, right [09:39] hi seb128, how are you? [09:39] that sort of give me an oneiric desktop with natty stack [09:39] which is what I need, stable system and cracky desktop [09:39] chrisccoulson, hey, I'm fine, what about you? [09:40] seb128 - yeah, i'm not too bad thanks. bit tired after my daughter woke up at 5am though [09:40] hehe [09:40] hi chrisccoulson [09:40] hi rodrigo__, how are you? [09:41] chrisccoulson, exhausted, but in 1 piece , and you? [09:41] rodrigo__, yeah, pretty much the same :) [09:41] heh [09:42] it's nice to be back in my nice comfortable office chair :) [09:43] good morning desktop people, everyone had a nice flight back? [09:43] hi dpm [09:43] hey chrisccoulson :) [09:43] i started work on desktop-o-firefox-translations-in-launchpad already this weekend ;) [09:44] yeah, I saw you updated the blueprint \o/ [09:44] hey dpm [09:44] hey chrisccoulson, dpm [09:44] hi didrocks [09:45] buenas rodrigo__, salut didrocks! [09:46] dpm, so, you were able to wake up early and not miss your flight then? :) [09:47] rodrigo__, yeah, I managed to get 2 hours of sleep and make it in the end ;) [09:47] hey dpm [09:48] dpm, you're a brave man :-) [09:48] that is hardcore! [09:48] i think i would struggle to do that on 2 hours sleep [09:48] rodrigo__, not sure about that, but at least I made it for the flight ;) [09:49] bonjour seb128 [09:50] hey rodrigo__ [09:50] hi pitti [09:51] pitti was the luckiest, afaik, with his 8 hours train home :-) [09:51] seb128, rodrigo__: I upgraded to oneiric this morning; some java package failed to configure, otherwise it went well [09:51] pitti, oh, ok, maybe I'll dist-upgrade then [09:53] rodrigo__: we can pull you out of the swamp if something bad happens :) [09:53] :) [09:54] ok then, trying [09:55] brave you, I will just cherry pick updates for now ;-) [09:55] rodrigo__, btw one of the GNOME3 ppa update screwed my natty GNOME3 vm some days ago, I can pick any session I just get a dialog saying it's not a valid session and it sends me back to the login screen [09:55] seb128: it's really not that different; the main change is the perl transition, which cjwatson by and large completed [09:56] seb128, yes, still some patches disabled in that package, will work on updating g-session in oneiric this week [09:56] rodrigo__, ok, well before that it managed to start the gnome-shell session, now I can't log in any session [09:57] pitti, right, until we get a new xorg stock or a new upstart or whatever and you find that your system doesn't start or xorg doesn't work ;-) [09:58] didrocks: Hey there, thanks for the reply! Well, Unity in Oneiric is currently (partially) broken, bug #778950 , can you look at the linked branch when you are free? Thanks! [09:58] Launchpad bug 778950 in unity "Unity in Oneiric should depend on dconf-gsettings-backend" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/778950 [09:58] but no point to argue, it's good that we have people dist-upgrading, I will just cherry pick updates desktop updates while I'm on merges [09:58] seb128: oh, and the keyring dialog looking ugly as it's already gtk3 :) [09:58] pitti, not only the keyring I guess, gedit as well :p [09:58] or eog [09:58] seb128: I'm fine being the guinea pig here; I think I'll be able to rescue myself in the bad cases :0 [09:59] seb128: gedit seems to be gtk2 here [09:59] cdbs: I don't think it's unity which should depends on it, but the gsettings binding rather, isn't it? [09:59] * pitti -> building new computer table, bbl [09:59] pitti, hum, it's dep-wait indeed [09:59] pitti, have fun [10:00] didrocks: Gsettings could use gsettings with gconf as well, I suppose. So maybe no [10:00] didrocks, it's anything shipping a schemas I think [10:00] didrocks, same as with gconf [10:00] seb128: oh ok, not libdconf0 then? [10:00] didrocks, I need to check but I think they added a dh_gsettings which will add that to Depends:misc, but we need rebuilds for that [10:00] didrocks: we need both libdconf0 and dconf-gsettings-backend [10:00] seb128: agreed on that plan rather [10:01] cdbs: see rather adding the misc by the debhelper script ^^ [10:01] :o [10:01] cdbs: as well, unity is FTBFS right now in oneiric, I'll bundle the patch with dx after next SRU which should come this week [10:01] seb128, oh, no session at all? [10:02] rodrigo__, they just bail out saying that the session is not a valid name [10:02] hmm, ok [10:02] this is when there is no .session file found [10:02] didrocks: well yeah, I know about that ftbfs [10:02] blame GCC 4.6 :( [10:02] cdbs: we have a patch somewhere [10:03] not sure it's still applying though [10:03] pitti: feel free to fix the remaining desktopy bits of the perl transition :) [10:03] (i.e. build failures) [10:03] seb128, do you have gnome-session-common installed? [10:03] hey cjwatson, how are you? [10:04] cjwatson: you ROCK, considering the fact that you did the transitions during UDS and even during weekends [10:04] rodrigo__, I will have to check, I upgraded using update-manager and I can't log in now and I didn't figure how to switch to a vt in virtualbox [10:04] rodrigo__, ctrl-alt-f are not locked in virtualbox, they switch real vt [10:04] seb128, oh, for that switch to fullscreen and then CTRL-ALT-F? works [10:05] no [10:05] I think that works [10:05] they switch vt on the system [10:05] oh [10:05] rodrigo__, but don't bother, I will just do GNOME3 on oneiric now [10:05] the vm was just to not break my system during UDS [10:05] cdbs: rejecting your merge for now, will approve if we see that it shouldn't be handle on a higher level (debhelper) [10:06] seb128: I can't see dh_gsettings in ubuntu (right now), maybe it needs a sync/merge from Debian? [10:07] cdbs: btw, I think I drafted most of your blueprint, once ready (following https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WorkItemsHowto), think to set it pending approval [10:08] cdbs, could be [10:08] didrocks: thanks a lot! [10:08] yw :) [10:10] seb128: hey, fine thanks, did you recover from your long-haul flight? ;-) [10:10] cdbs, didrocks: you should add a depends on dconf-gsettings-backend as a workaround maybe until dh_gsettings land, it's in the dh debian git but it might take a bit to land in debian and then ubuntu [10:10] cdbs: heh, was just prodding at it by way of something to do :) [10:11] seb128: well, unity FTBFS right now, so no point to rush that in [10:11] cjwatson, yeah, I managed to get over my jetlag easily this time it seems ;-) [10:11] dh_installgsettings is in Debian as of debhelper 8.1.3 [10:11] Right now on my Oneiric system over 30 packages are held back every time I upgrade [10:11] which is already in oneiric [10:12] all because of build failures :( [10:12] nice, so dh7 maybe doesn't call it [10:12] $ grep gsettings /chroot/sid/usr/bin/dh [10:12] dh_installgsettings [10:12] does too :-) [10:12] hum… weird, I'll give it a deeper look [10:12] thanks cjwatson :) [10:12] first, focus on second SRU and then fixing the FTBFS this week in oneiric [10:13] cjwatson, oh right, thanks [10:13] cdbs, right, upgrading before the end of UDS is usually not the best idea if you want to avoid issues [10:14] didrocks: The dconf0 split happened recently, does installgsettings recognize that well? I doubt so, considering the fact that dh hasn't been updated since [10:14] not that you will avoid issues after UDS, but at least now people will be available to fix those [10:14] cdbs, they happened both on in early april in debian [10:14] seb128: I didn't run into any issues so far, except for a gstreamer corruption one day [10:14] cdbs: not sure, didn't get time to look at that, I'll after the SRU and other paperwork [10:14] Sweetshark: where is the option to turn on the quick starter icon? [10:14] cdbs, it's just that we synced d-conf recently [10:15] Sweetshark: btw, /usr/lib/libreoffice/share/config/images_brand.zip , says it is a broken archive (alteast in the ppa for maverick) [10:15] seb128: hmm, correct [10:17] vish: Tools->Options, LibreOffice->Memory, "Enable Systray Quickstarter" [10:21] Sweetshark: weird, that option does not exist in Ubuntu package 1:3.3.2-1ubuntu2~maverick1 , no probs just thought i could check if the quick start icon was fixed too.. [10:22] cdbs, btw no need to write a mir for sources already in main with a different name [10:22] cdbs, i.e gnome-desktop3 is just gnome-desktop in a new version [10:22] seb128: hmm, really? [10:23] yes, the source is already in main and has been reviewed [10:23] seb128: I thought an MIR was important for everything [10:23] okie [10:23] no, the purpose of a mir is to get the code reviewed to see if it's fine to get in main [10:23] no need to do it again just because the source got renamed [10:23] vish: hmm, on natty, I have the option, but I still see no systray icon. [10:24] unity blocks systray use if you don't whitelist things in gsettings [10:24] Sweetshark: yea, In Unity, notification icons that need to be displayed need a whitelist, the reporter is using Classic desktop with gnome panel [10:25] http://askubuntu.com/questions/36898/how-can-i-see-a-list-of-all-the-systray-icons-that-are-not-whitelisted [10:26] perl transition> specifically it'd be nice if somebody could fix pidgin's FTBFS [10:27] vish: do you have libreoffice-gnome installed? Without it, I dont have the option either. [10:28] hum, "make[6]: *** No rule to make target `../libgnt.la', needed by `irssi.la'. Stop." [10:29] cjwatson, I've no real clue what the issue could be or what changed that make it stop to build but I will try to have a look today [10:30] Sweetshark: ah ha! yea, that fixed it, had to install -gnome and -gtk , and now I have that option. thx [10:30] seb128: thanks, it's certainly not obvious [10:33] hi pitti, good morning! I've just seen https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-o-loco-cds - do you have something in mind already for the implementation? [10:52] dpm: yes, I just didn't draft it yet [10:53] pitti, ok, no rush, I was just wondering, thanks! [10:56] Sweetshark: how does one apply for/get LibO git commit access? [11:01] vish: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/NewAccount [11:01] thanks! [11:02] mvo: Hey there, could you also update update-manager in Oneiric from bzr? Right now its broken [11:03] vish: see also http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Git-Artwork-guide-td2844436.html === cking_ is now known as cking [11:09] vish: please cc me on the bugs with the account request, so I can help moving it along. [11:10] Sweetshark: sure, whats your mail id on fdo? [11:13] cdbs: sure, thanks! will do right after lunch :) [11:18] vish: bjoern.michaelsenATcanonical.com [11:18] cool! [11:40] hey mterry, how are you? [11:40] seb128, good! [11:40] seb128, already on oneiric [11:41] had a nice flight back? how is your jetlag? [11:41] seems pretty similar so far. Clearly we need to package more of GNOME 3 until it breaks [11:41] mterry, great ;-) [11:41] right [11:41] speaking of which [11:41] seb128, jetlag is causing me to be up so early, so here I am. ;) [11:41] mterry, could you review the mirs for libpeas and seed when you have some time? [11:41] seb128, yes, MIR duty is on my TODO today [11:41] great [11:41] that's blocking some of the GNOME3 builds [11:41] i.e eog [11:44] seb128, hello [11:44] hey ricotz, how are you? [11:44] just a short question [11:44] sure [11:44] i am great, i hope you too [11:45] yes, I'm fine thanks [11:45] is it possible to use libnotify-dev instead of libnotify4-dev [11:45] meaning to sync more with debian [11:45] this might some more syncs possible [11:45] like zenity [11:46] ricotz, yes, we discussed that with pitti at UDS and agree to just sync and deal with the transition this cycle [11:46] great ;) [11:47] so have fun all of you [11:48] bbl [12:05] seb128, what was the link to the etherpad we're using for GNOME3 stuff? [12:05] mterry, cf topic ;-) [12:05] doh [12:05] * didrocks -> break === ronoc_ is now known as ronoc [12:06] didrocks, you start eating?! ;-) [12:06] mterry, we should probably move it to the ubuntu pad now that we have one though, I will do that after lunch [12:06] seb128: no, don't be crazy! :-) I'll just go outside and walk [12:06] didrocks, ok ;-) [12:06] let see how many days I can keep up with that :-) [12:06] time to eat there, bbl [12:06] seb128: enjoy [12:07] seb128: I'll check libnotify now [12:07] seb128: in the worst case, we can reintroduce the previous version with a differet source name, but I figure the transition is happening in Debian as well [12:08] pitti, sorry I already synced it and did another upload to get a newer version than the binaries we had [12:08] seb128: ah, so much the better [12:09] jbicha, hey, I'm not sure why debian added that Build-Depends-Package to the .symbols but upgrading seems fine, I will sponsor your update after lunch [12:10] anyone know if there is a way in natty to close banshee without the music stopping, is this a known issue if not [12:23] it works with RB; I have never tried it with banshee, I'm afraid [12:24] apw: but it's certainly meant to be working, i. e. a bug [12:24] pitti, seems it is a banshee config not turned on, enablign soundmenu integration... seemed to be left off during the upgrade from Maverick [12:25] apw: works here you have to have the music playing though not paused [12:25] apw: I did a fresh install [12:25] yeah i was missing the extension for soundmenu being enabled within banshee, seems that should have been enabled during upgrade to me [12:25] pitti, ca-certificates-java is the java package that failed to configure for you, right? [12:26] rodrigo__: confirmed [12:26] pitti, ok, so that's the only thing that seemed to fail [12:36] I'd appreciate a review of this: https://code.launchpad.net/~rodrigo-moya/ubuntu/oneiric/gnome-menus/3_0_0_release/+merge/61098 before I upload it, just in case I broke some ubuntu-specific stuff when rebasing from Debian [12:42] rodrigo__, let me have a look to gnome-menus [12:42] seb128, cool, thanks [12:44] hey mterry, how was your long wait at the airport? [12:44] rodrigo__, btw no need to push it on the side, you could merge it directly and ask for a review from trunk [12:44] rodrigo__, :) Fine. I drank lots of hot chocoloate [12:44] seb128, yeah, just wanted to make it easy to get a diff for review [12:45] seb128, so, shall I merge it now? [12:45] rodrigo__, your call, I'm reviewing it [12:46] seb128, ok, I'll wait for your review then [12:46] rodrigo__, why did you drop the -dbg? [12:46] seb128, it wasn't in the debian package [12:46] rodrigo__, right, it's something we added in Ubuntu for easier python debugging, do you think it's not useful? [12:47] seb128, no, just that's why I wanted the review, was not sure what was ubuntu-specific, so re-adding it [12:47] rodrigo__, default rule is to keep things if you don't know why they are there ;-) [12:48] usually we don't go through the work of maintaining a delta for no reason [12:48] ok [12:48] rodrigo__, you need the python-xdg Recommends [12:49] update-gnome-menus-cache uses it [12:49] ok, re-adding it then [12:49] recommends -> depends [12:50] well it's listed twice, just restore those [12:51] where is it listed twice? [12:52] it's in a recommends and in a depends in the diff [12:52] urg [12:52] rodrigo__, why did you drop the postinst code which generate the cache? [12:53] same for 24_ubuntu_hide_control_center.patch [12:53] we probably want to keep dropping 01_default_prefix.patch [12:53] we don't namespace those menus gnome- in Ubuntu [12:54] seb128, ok [12:55] seb128: thanks [12:56] rodrigo__, the admin patch is useful as well [12:56] rodrigo__, ok, so rule is "don't drop something if you don't know why it's there and if you drop something document the rational in the changelog" ;-) [12:56] rodrigo__, does it make sense? [12:57] seb128, yes, sure [12:57] that's why I wanted a review :) [12:57] rodrigo__, thanks, sorry for being picky [12:57]