[11:26] <ev> cjwatson: my current thought for measuring installation success (which I'm going to post to ubuntu-devel by the end of the day) is taking a hash of the system uuid out of the dmi table, then sending that twice to an ubuntu server.  Once when the user has connected to the Internet, and again when the install completes.
[11:26] <ev> The pair would constitute a successful install
[11:26] <ev> sound reasonable, or do you think there's a better bit of unique, but ultimately anonymous, data?
[11:28] <ev> not sure if that would have less collisions than a certain number of bytes from /dev/urandom
[11:28] <cjwatson> maybe we could hash that together with something unique generated by the installer, so that it measures successful installations rather than successful users IYSWIM
[11:28] <cjwatson> s/users/systems/
[11:29] <ev> ah, a good point
[11:30] <cjwatson> in fact, it might be better to *just* use something unique generated by the installer; that should be more anonymous and we don't really gain anything by using the system uuid here
[11:30] <ev> how about a GUID as generated by uuidgen?
[11:30] <cjwatson> yeah, that would be fine
[11:30] <ev> awesome, thanks
[11:30] <cjwatson> install completes - before or after reboot?
[11:30] <cjwatson> maybe both
[11:31] <ev> yes, both would be good
[11:31] <cjwatson> I think this also needs a documented way to turn it off
[11:31] <ev> GUID> hm, though we have no way of potentially filtering out the user hitting cancel
[11:31] <ev> documentation> absolutely
[11:33] <cjwatson> urgh, livecd-rootfs doesn't work on a natty host system because of upstart chroot sessions plus a couple of missing rebuilds for bug 690640
[11:33] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 690640 in debhelper "dh_installinit upstart support start a job in postinst script regardless of previous status" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/690640
[11:34] <ev> would an item in gfxboot to disable it be okay by you? I'm weary of shoving extra knobs in the installer that the vast majority of people wont care about.
[11:34] <ev> ouch
[11:36] <cjwatson> I don't really feel good about more items in gfxboot
[11:36] <ev> preseed?
[11:36] <cjwatson> though I also don't think it should be a *UI* knob in the installer
[11:36] <cjwatson> preseed would be OK; a lot of the audience for never-phone-home will be corporates
[11:36] <ev> wonderful
[11:44] <ev> wondering aloud if it makes sense to include some additional metadata, like the ubiquity version and the livecd build date
[11:44] <ev> but perhaps that can be proposed at a later date
[11:45] <ev> to not weigh down the initial proposal
[11:47] <cjwatson> in that case just make sure the comms method can allow for that
[12:01] <ev> indeed
[16:39] <ev> cjwatson: could you raise https://rt.admin.canonical.com/Ticket/Display.html?id=40560 in your next meeting with IS?
[16:40] <ev> I suspect you'll have better luck in that venue than me asking in #is
[16:40] <davmor2> ev: did you make it so millbank in the end
[16:41] <ev> davmor2: I was making excellent time home, then I hit Feltham where I was presented with a 15 minute wait for a train.
[16:41] <ev> The horror.
[16:42] <ev> Was nearly tempted to get a cab, but sucked it up, and made it home by 10ish.
[16:42] <ev> oh, you're referring to today's escapades
[16:42] <ev> yes, and to my delight the kitchen has been stocked with various treats people brought back from Hungary
[16:45] <davmor2> ev: I landed at bhx legged it to the bagging area bag was 5th woohoo ran to the air shuttle had to wait there, legged it to the train and then had to wait 10 minutes for the train to turn up :D
[16:47] <ev> nice
[16:47] <ev> Iris for the win. There was a massive queue at passport control.
[16:53] <cjwatson> ev: Victor's doing the IS liaison now
[16:53] <ev> Is he already aware of this RT, to your knowledge?
[16:53] <cjwatson> I don't know, so assume not
[16:53] <ev> :)
[16:53] <ev> I'll talk to him, thanks
[17:00] <ev> (apparently it's Hugh Blemmings' job now)
[17:02] <cjwatson> ah
[17:03] <cjwatson> didn't take him long to delegate that :)
[17:03] <davmor2> cjwatson: isn't that the art of good management
[17:04] <cjwatson> yes, that's why I was never a good manager
[17:05] <davmor2> cjwatson: Oh I thought you were no good cause you always had that "OH! code......hmmmmm....drool....hmmmm" homer simpsonesque way about you ;)
[17:08] <cjwatson> well, there was that
[17:26] <ev> :)