[00:19] hm. pogoplug on ibood. can't decide if interesting is 50eur worth of interesting [01:15] !gnome3 [01:15] Gnome 3 is not currently supported on Ubuntu. A PPA for natty is available at https://launchpad.net/~gnome3-team/+archive/gnome3 but these packages are EXPERIMENTAL and UNSTABLE, will break Unity and possibly other parts of your system, and cannot be downgraded safely. [07:37] morning all [07:39] morning [08:02] is it too early for a question re ubuntu one? [08:02] nah, go for it [08:02] #ubuntuone might be better though :) [08:02] depending on the question [08:03] is there a way to make a directory only sync one way? I want to have a backup directory, but don't want it to sync to all my other machines? [08:05] dont think so [08:05] will as in there.... cheers [08:06] thats annoying, it would be handy.... and I would definitely buy more storage from Cononical :) [08:12] mornin folks === Hornet- is now known as Hornet [08:41] Apacheuk: I've started using spideroak [08:52] Morning [08:54] popey: will take look now [08:57] Popey:I think I can get UbuntuOne to do what I want.... thanks to the #ubuntuone channel, sync a dir on one machine but don't subscribe to it on others [09:02] Apacheuk, you can select on your machines which folders you want to sync. so yes [09:02] Apacheuk, basically, share that folder on one machine, go to the ubuntu one control panel on your other machines and uncheck the box [09:06] nice [09:10] huh.. PSN is back up the day i'm back to work... suspicious [09:10] gord: it was up yesterday evening [09:11] How do I recursively chown a directory that has sub directories and hidden files & folders? [09:11] chown -R should do it [09:11] chown -R [09:11] :) [09:12] diplo, dutchie: it seems that doesn't own the hidden files multi levels deep [09:12] you could probably throw together some monstrosity with find and xargs then [09:13] hmm [09:13] .* at the end ? [09:13] find top-dir/ -print0 | xargs -0 chown foo:foo [09:14] dutchies solution probably better [09:14] wonder if .* will follow ../ back :) [09:14] it just did on mine :) [09:31] Good morning peeps [09:32] hi folks [09:32] hey biggie [09:32] Hi hoovie [09:32] all well mate? [09:34] It's Monday... [09:34] "montag ist schontag" ;-) [09:35] schontag? [09:38] beautiful/nice day [09:39] Good for you :P [09:40] It's gone cold/overcast/windy [09:40] yeah i'm chilly here [09:40] bigcalm: not that's what "schontag" means [09:40] almost [09:41] morning all [09:45] noticing that my memory utilization on this PC has stabilised a lot since switching to chromium [09:45] instead of firefox [09:46] \o/ chromium [09:47] still prefer firefox UI though :( [09:47] on my netbook if i use chromium i run out of memory fast. memory usage is too tied in to tabs [09:48] anyone good with grub2? [09:48] !anyone [09:48] A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..." Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out? See also !details, !gq, and !poll. [09:48] :) [09:48] popey: how did you get on with chromium OS install? [09:48] Heh [09:48] heh, forgot [09:49] ah, i figured it out. evolution hates me and thats why when i check "subscribe to this folder" it unchecks it [09:49] it built but i didnt test it [09:49] I keep getting "filel not found" [09:49] for an iso [09:49] ooo [09:49] found it strange that u need a 64 bit system to buld it on [09:49] bah this internet here is so painful [09:49] file* [09:49] oh i had an issue with it [09:49] "schontag": A day to take a relaxed attitude ;-) [09:49] for some reason it was looking for VBoxManage inside the chroot [09:50] which is odd because VirtualBox is installed outside the chroot [09:50] so no idea how that is ever supposed to work [09:50] did anyone follow the default browser talk at UDS? [09:50] wondering what the outcome of that was [09:50] you built it on 64 bit lucid install ? [09:50] this is from a thumbdrive i should mention btw [09:52] oimon: no, natty [09:52] popey: don't they recommend lucid? [09:53] maybe [09:53] doesnt really matter, the build happens inside a chroot [09:53] oh, i think i've figured it out [09:53] aloha [09:53] morning czajkowski [09:54] my iso's have the permissions -rwxr-x--- [09:54] http://www.chromium.org/chromium-os/developer-guide#TOC-Preliminary-requirements: Most developers working on Chromium OS are using Lucid (the LTS version of Ubuntu) and will not be updating to 10.10. It is possible that things will work if you're running a different Linux distribution, but you will probably find life easier if you're on Lucid. Please note that Ubuntu 9.10 (Karmic) is known not to work. [09:54] that might be why ^_^ [09:54] gord: howdy [09:55] http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/13405464 <--- i'm actually offended that BBC chose to put this in the "technology" news feed. [09:55] oimon: it builds fine, its not a problem [09:56] oh ok [09:56] gord: news beat though, news for young people with ADHD [09:56] news that is not news.. [09:59] was about to throw away my laser printer when i realised that it was an ubuntu bug...here was me thinking it was due to thefact that it is > 10 years old [09:59] swapped PS driver for PCL and seems to work fine again :D [10:00] which is more than i can say for my inkjet grrr [10:11] good morning everyone [10:21] Morning [10:21] morning daubers [10:29] ugh nobody wants to sell me stuff :( thought people would be keen for business nowadays but no :( [10:29] * oimon has money burning a hoel in his pocket [10:30] Perhaps you're trying to buy the wrong things [10:35] popey: poke [10:35] Oops [10:35] popey: ping [10:40] new alpha.gov project runs ubuntu: http://blog.alpha.gov.uk/colophon [10:48] canonical website sends you your email password in plain text [10:48] not smart! [10:50] you can log in to the canonical website? o_O [10:50] bigcalm: hmm? [10:51] ah yes [10:51] popey: you were going to give me an email address [10:51] :) [10:51] gord: careers page [10:51] czajkowski: No, that's ROT26. [10:51] jpds: couldnt remember my password so it just mailed it to me in plain text [10:52] jpds: point me in the right direction to file a bug and I will [10:52] bigcalm: pm :) [10:53] what can i do if the "Stop publishing via ubuntu one" is greyed out? - i seem to have published something but cannot get the url or stop publishing it [10:55] hmm website says it's not published :S [10:56] oh no davmor2 to harass [10:57] oimon: there is some fun stuff published on U1 :D [10:58] popey: yeah, i've noticed :D [10:59] i guess there's no server side encryption [11:01] bug 375289 [11:01] Launchpad bug 375289 in Ubuntu One Servers "data encryption (client-side as well as server-side)" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/375289 [11:03] o/ [11:03] I'd be surprised if they ever did that [11:04] they're probably doing the same de-dupe that dropbox do [11:05] yeah === cking_ is now known as cking [11:09] http://www.bbcshop.com/matt-smith/doctor-who-dalek-progenitor-room-mini-set/invt/03857 [11:09] cute [11:09] I have switched to spideroak [11:11] Morning all [11:11] I'm back in a real time zone [11:11] GMT? [11:12] the 1970's? [11:12] bigcalm: bst but yes [11:12] popey: no you and I both know the 80's is the only real decade right [11:13] hehe, knew you'd say that :) [11:13] popey: Can't argue with the truth ;) [11:13] :) [11:14] I have to agree [11:14] So who tuned into uds and what is happening? [11:14] as soon as ubuntu one gains a few more features it will be indispensible for ubuntu users [11:15] * davmor2 gives czajkowski a I'm back home prod [11:15] oimon: you mean it isn't now I use it all the time [11:16] davmor2: it's useful now..but with tighter integration and some extra features, many more users will be onboard, i'm sure [11:16] * czajkowski prods davmor2 [11:18] just ordered myself a new laptop, thinkpad X220 - all very exciting. course the ideal situation is that my previous laptop would not of died half way through UDS but hey [11:18] X220 tablet? [11:18] or the regular lappy [11:18] Anyone got a Intel 5300 wireless... working..? [11:18] laptop [11:18] ok - waiting for stock so i can buy the tablet [11:18] 7.something hours of battery life :) (on windows) [11:19] 3.something hours of battery life :( (on Ubuntu) [11:19] the lenovo website was selling them stupid cheep, all the resellers were £1000+ excluding tax, lenovo sold to me for £821 including tax [11:19] i'll run it on windows with ubuntu in a VM ;) [11:19] blimey, thats a good deal [11:19] o.O [11:20] gord: thats handy - do they sell to the UK? [11:20] yup [11:20] price was in sterling with UK tax, no importing [11:20] i think i looked last month and the site was bare..maybe the x220t wasnt out by then [11:22] yeah...still the same - only selling the x201 tablet, even though a reseller has the x220 [11:25] http://shop.lenovo.com/SEUILibrary/controller/e/gbweb/LenovoPortal/en_GB/builder.workflow:Enter?sb=%3A000000F0%3A0000022B%3A&smid=7543BB138E644775A33CC781942250F1 - there you go [11:26] oh unless you want the x220 tablet? [11:26] yep :D [11:27] it's hard to get news about it, not sure if it is properly out yet or not [11:34] still don't trust tablets :) no one seems to have a good user story for them [11:35] a good user story, seriously? [11:35] how many ipads have been sold so far? [11:36] well the x200t is a laptop hybrid so it's largely a laptop with note taking ability [11:36] i'm not questioning that, but the ipad is really a big phone. it works, but it sort of feels like a ported phone user story rather than a tablet story [11:38] mine isnt a big phone, it has no phone capabilities [11:38] I have never made a call on it [11:38] without the nit-picking ;) [11:39] http://dag.wieers.com/blog/centos-devel-ml-feels-like-devnull [11:39] centos is really suffering right now :( [11:39] fair enough, I know nothing, clearly. [11:40] i didn't say that, nor do i think it - i just thought it was obvious what i meant by "phone" - the use of the word has been twisted into what it is today, a device that can also make phone calls, maybe, i mean, it doesn't have to, i'd still call it a phone [11:40] are there large android tablets that can make calls? [11:41] it was not obvious to me, no [11:41] i'm not sure, i doubt honeycomb has that built in, but i would expect they could once 3.0 and 2.* merge in ics [11:41] That's how I understood it, phone bits from 2.x go into 3.x to make ICS [11:44] AlanBell: http://www.merimobiles.com/Kinpad_7_3G_8GB_CALLS_SMS_PREORDER_NOW_p/meri0540.htm Android tablet that says it can make & receive calls [11:44] do you have to hold it to your head? [11:48] heh, he does in the video [11:48] I was thinking that a tablet + bluetooth headset would work well as a phone [11:49] I was thinking a phone works quite well as a phone :) [11:50] 11 days until my 7" android tablet gets shipped [11:50] popey: we're getting closer to me spamming the channel as promised :P [11:50] which one are you getting bigcalm ? [11:50] I was looking at this yesterday http://www.firebox.com/product/3592/Sagemcom-Sixty-Cordless-Telephone [11:51] X3N: http://www.kogan.co.uk/shop/7-inch-tablet-pc-android/ [11:51] 0_o [11:51] Nice responce [11:52] A couple of days ago, somebody was asking about whether HDMI output worked with Natty, does that ring a bell with anyone as to who it was? [11:54] Found it [11:55] They're offline anyway [12:15] http://www.firebox.com/product/1902/Stylophone-Original :D [12:15] Oh god [12:16] Unless you can play it like Rolf Harris, it's a horrible device [12:16] bigcalm: practice, practice, practice [12:16] buy it for the children of people you want to annoy :D [12:17] Heh http://www.firebox.com/product/2854/Bacon-Chocolate [12:18] that's expensive stuff [12:18] I can't decide which is a worse idea, bacon chocolate, or bacon toothpaste *Although we do have beef flavoured toothpaste for the dogs) [12:18] off to lunch..haven't eaten for 16 hr and it's agony [12:20] popey: hardware will be with me on Wednesday \o/ [12:20] * bigcalm dances a wee happy dance [12:26] bigcalm: yay [12:26] she sorted you out? [12:26] bigcalm: don't dance a wee it will go everywhere [12:26] s/a/and [12:30] popey: no, I called up 150 again. Asked for an update. They had no record. Passed me on to an internal account department. They passed me back to 150 customer services but told them how to apply the upgrade and retain the discount [12:31] yay [12:31] popey: at the start of the last call, the bloke asked me what I wanted to upgrade to. A little confused I said 30mb. At the end of the call I quizzed him on this and aparently we can upgrade to 50mb or 100mb and retain the discount. Just a monthly increase by 6.51 or 16 quid [12:31] So, good to know for the future [12:32] 100mb? nice [12:32] * bigcalm rocked the boat and didn't fall out! [12:33] oooooooooooo [12:33] 100 [12:35] popey: think you could convince mrs popey that 16 quid a month is a good investment? ;) [12:35] That is if you are in a 100mb area [12:35] bigcalm, don't rock the boat baby [12:36] Rock the boat, rock the boat [12:39] * bigcalm thinks that popey is on the blower with VirginMedia customer services ;) [12:40] Or with Mrs Popey to get permission :P [12:40] * exobuzz just wants the 10mbit upstream [12:40] 100 would be better but [12:40] exobuzz: I want never gets... [12:40] lol [12:45] heh [12:45] Humm. What to do with my own bought Cisco N wifi router... [12:47] ebay [12:51] post it to me [12:53] popey: Reading that you'd changed over to spideroak, how do you find it in comparison to dropbox [12:55] ask me again in a week once I've set it up and used it for a bit [12:55] :) [12:55] popey, this because of the dropbox benig liars thing ? [12:55] being [12:56] and being able to get at your data when they want [12:56] (or when the government wants, which is most of the time) [12:57] partly [12:57] I've been concerned for a while that the data isnt encrypted fully [12:57] whereas AIUI spideroak is [12:58] yeh [13:06] interesting, i seem to have enabled some mode in evolution that makes it crash constantly [13:06] gord: ah, the default action [13:07] i call that normal mode [13:07] bigcalm: http://tarby.popey.com/ [13:07] oimon: http://joke.popey.com/ [13:07] Evolution is not to be trusted with your email [13:07] s/ with your email// [13:07] its normally pretty stable for me, but i decided to restructure my folders for email, no longer is everything in INBOX/foo or whatever, now its just in /foo/bar and /foo/baz - but thats too much to handle. it freaks out and segfaults [13:08] This is why I love gmail [13:09] Is this the part where someone interjects with "Thunderbird should be the default mail client"? [13:09] Thunderbird should be the default mail client [13:10] I thought so. :) [13:11] Well, work is being done to make it so. But there is much to do. [13:12] Mutt! [13:13] !info seahorse [13:13] seahorse (source: seahorse): GNOME front end for GnuPG. In component main, is optional. Version 2.32.0-0ubuntu3 (natty), package size 609 kB, installed size 2464 kB [13:13] bigcalm: pine is more popular among my users [13:13] selinuxium: Was it you that was asking about hdmi on natty a day or so back [13:13] oimon: I like the default view of mutt [13:13] DJones, yup :) [13:14] JamesTait: I take it you got back fine :) [13:14] Hey nigelb - yes, I did, thanks! You too? [13:14] DJones, I was wondering as it is a HDMI to Composite cable, the graphics card is not being notified of the connection... [13:14] JamesTait: yup, day 1 back at work is almost over too :) [13:14] bigcalm: u know how my pine users find old emails? they search and then forward it to themselves [13:14] Did you get it working, I tried yesterday with my laptop + TV and it worked ok for me, just found I had to reboot to avoid any screen corruption [13:15] oimon: :'-( [13:15] nigelb: I'm only about half way through, and last week is starting to catch up with me. :/ [13:15] last week felt like such a long week :( [13:15] JamesTait: I slept for 15 hours straight, which helped a bit. Still tired though [13:16] my baby son has discovered that if he stands in his cot and shakes it vigourously, i come running :( ..either that or it breaks [13:16] selinuxium: Mine was a straight hdmi->hdmi cable, the only problem I found was that I had to enable hdmi sound output seperatly [13:17] DJones, I may get an hdmi to hdmi and try it on the other screen.. [13:17] nigelb: I wish I had that option! Altough it was nice to wake up to the sound of my boys laughing yesterday, even though I was still tired. [13:17] :) [13:17] oimon: how old? [13:18] 16 months [13:18] he pretty much shakes the cot across the room [13:18] * JamesTait heads off for lunch. [13:18] i was woken up yesterday to my 4 year old son shoving a a remote control car in my face "DADDY! Change the batteries!" [13:19] popey: aww :) [13:19] hehehe, my son has learned already that daddy fixes stuff. the batteries in his walking turtle died...rather than throw it across the room, he crawls over to me,does the sad face and says TAAAAAA!TAAA! [13:20] :) [13:20] had to give him the batteries from teh wii remote :( [13:20] pound shop batteries [13:20] great for kids toys [13:21] I couldn't care less if they go dead in the device, they're <10p each [13:21] Oh, that reminds me that I bought Lego Pirates at the weekend and should continue playing it this lunchtime :D [13:21] hmm should try that [13:21] There are more puzzles in this game than they bothered with in Lego SW Clone Wars [13:22] A return to form [13:22] looking at seahorse encryption, i wonder why it's not the default in nautilus [13:22] i signed on to psn during my lunch break. it was amazing [13:22] which reminds me I need to get some cheap hornby 00 gauge stuff [13:23] * oimon checks his hornby shares [13:23] oooooo [13:23] http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Model-Railway-Hornby-00-Track-almost-6kg-packed-VGC-/290564098877?pt=UK_Trains_Railway_Models&hash=item43a6f84b3d#ht_997wt_815 [13:25] popey, train geek too? :) [13:26] how much do you guys allow yourselves to spend on fun budget per month? [13:26] as much as i have [13:26] my wife and I have an arrangement - anything spent with fun budget cannot be questioned. [13:27] that stuff is for #1 son [13:27] not for me [13:27] all other purchases can be vetoed [13:27] ahem [13:27] ahem indeed [13:27] popey, sure sure.. can i come round and play too? :) [13:27] i'll be on the sclaextric [13:29] the amount i spend from my "fun budget" on beer is always questioned [13:29] i don't really drink anymore [13:30] i probably shouldnt drink as much as i do [13:30] unfortunately i discovered that beer was keeping my weight at normal [13:30] when i stopped drinking around 25 , i lost weight that i've never been able to regain [13:30] eat curry [13:30] :( have a chilli intolerance [13:30] lots and lots of curry [13:30] since the same age [13:30] s/curry/mild curry/ [13:31] hmm wonder if there's a connection [13:31] i have a chilli intolerance today, after the vindaloo last night [13:31] not quite the same thing perhaps heh [13:33] it was only this one mind, but still has a kick http://www.sharwoods.com/Indian/products/sharwoods-goan-vindaloo-cooking-sauce.cfm [13:33] is it a good idea to encrypt my files with the same key i used to create the pgp key i used for launchpad? [13:34] that's fine. you only gave the public key to launchpad [13:35] is that what ppl normally do though, or use another one? [13:35] i think it's fine anyway. [13:35] heh [13:40] oimon: just got back from lunch and read the scrollback - my brother made a point of removing batteries from noisy toys before his kids got them when they were younger, so they wouldn't even know that the noise was an option [13:41] dwatkins: yeah :) i do that for some toys, although others need batteries for other functionality..if only i can perforate the speaker with a sharp pin.. [13:42] my SO bought a cheap kids' laptop from the supermarket the other day, she wants to put the innards of an Eee 701 in it :D [13:42] it has a cow on the outside, it's kinda cute [13:48] I had a computer with a cow on it once, made by Gateway :) [13:51] lol, you alsways used to see those boxes after christmas left out for the dustman [13:51] giant cow box [14:04] hmm why is it so difficult to disable the cache on chromium? [14:07] oimon: hard? Shift+Ctrl+T -> new incognito tab [14:07] uhr no that's reopen old tab [14:07] MartijnVdS: i want to disable disk cache permanently [14:07] ctrl+shift+n [14:07] open new private browsing window :) [14:07] just use those [14:08] doesn't sound ideal ;( [14:10] whoo! Natty's alt-f2 doesn't clobber middle-click paste :) [14:20] hmmm [14:20] ungous? [14:22] Can someone fix the topic? There's supposed to be another p at the end of that url :) === popey changed the topic of #ubuntu-uk to: Welcome to #ubuntu-uk! http://ubuntu-uk.org | This channel is publicly archived http://irclogs.ubuntu.com | Mailing List http://tinyurl.com/uukml | Support Guidelines http://tinyurl.com/uuksupport | Meeting 26th May 21:00 BST #ubuntu-uk-meeting http://tinyurl.com/uukmeet | Libraries,SciFi and Geeknicks! http://doodle.com/53dpqtd6qgbvdpmp [14:23] ta :) [14:24] * dutchie ponders getting a new monitor [14:24] recommendations for online retailers? [14:26] Amazon? [14:26] popey, I'm winning at pool mining on a single card, http://btcmine.com/ru/user/toplist/ :D [14:26] ebuyer? [14:27] dutchie, dabs/btshop do cheap monitors, I got my set from there [14:27] dutchie: check the ebuyerspam for latest deals [14:28] what sort are you after dutchie [14:28] I called them up and tried to get a deal, "Hey I'm buying 6 monitors", I think the sales guys eyes light up :D [14:28] dutchie, ebuyer + samsung [14:28] <3 samsung monitors [14:28] oimon: nothing in particular [14:28] just want something to plug into this laptop to get moar pixelz [14:28] just gave away some lcd mons [14:29] gave my father in law an 18 inch NEC lcd that once cost £800 [14:29] it's amazing how prices have come down [14:30] dutchie: Theres a company called added-dimension in reading who do ex demo stuff, normally quite good [14:30] my desktop pc sucks with dual screen, i have gone back to single screen at home [14:31] this seems to be the only way to disable disk cache in chromium: chromium-browser --disk-cache-size=N --disk-cache-dir=/dev/null [14:31] http://www.dabs.com/products/lg-electronics-lg-w2363d-23--3d-lcd-monitor-77LV.html [14:31] 3D! [14:32] * dutchie tries to work out how big 22" actually is [14:34] dutchie: about 55.88cm [14:36] http://uk.insight.com/en-gb/productinfo/monitors/SAMQB2240 : less than 100 quid [14:37] don't you hate it when websites auto-play the flash content/video? bbc site just did it to me [14:38] Dell makes nice monitors, I've noticed [14:38] MartijnVdS: they seem to be reliable - we have had 100s here, rarely any issues [14:39] And lots of options in the menu, and lots of inputs available, and good picture quality [14:39] except the max brightness seems to go down after a few years [14:39] That happens in every brand [14:39] i guess it would [14:41] someone is giving a 17 inch dell lcd away on my local freegle [14:43] Does anybody know of a good (eg applies security patches!), paid (though cheap, if possible) FTP service? A client of mine uses his existing hosting to host his website and a FTP dump for his clients to upload things to him. His hosting has had several break-ins so I'm taking over the website but don't want to host the FTP dump so we need another hosting company to take over that. [14:43] Don't use FTP, it's insecure [14:44] plain-text passwords etc. [14:46] FTP is ok for anonymous file downloading [14:46] but then so is http [14:46] AlanBell: exactly [14:47] Oli``: really sftp is very well supported, just give out ssh accounts and set the directory permissions [14:47] Oli``: You could create your own torrent and use encryption on the packets to send him files [14:48] they can upload with dreamweaver or whatever clients they want to use [14:48] webdav with SSL and digest auth [14:48] how would you lock down ssh so people can only use it to transfer files? [14:48] krimzon2: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/94 [14:48] set the default shell [14:49] AlanBell: We've iterated through that option before. He's okay with it but he already tried it with his clients and they're (to put it bluntly) idiots. [14:49] so don't give idiots pointy tools like insecure ftp [14:49] MartijnVdS: ahh, thanks [14:50] krimzon2: mind the comments though [14:52] Hmm... where do the kernel "audit" messages come from in syslog? [14:52] May 16 14:45:52 hera kernel: [8257450.822541] type=1503 audit(1305553552.247:130): operation="open" pid=27083 parent=27082 profile="/usr/sbin/named" requested_mask="::r" denied_mask="::r" fsuid=106 ouid=0 name="/etc/ssl/openssl.cnf" [14:52] -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 9374 2009-01-07 18:43 /etc/ssl/openssl.cnf [14:52] And kvarley: It's not me and him that are exchanging files, I just look after his website. It's his clients that need to transfer things to him and as I say, they're a big bunch of middle-managers who barely recognise a USB socket, far from a torrent or sftp client. [14:53]