[13:33] <wolfger> party?
[13:33] <rick_h__> pretty much
[13:33] <rick_h__> monday party
[13:35] <wolfger> Had to deal with issues that resulted from my Sunday work, made 500% worse by the fact that our system is just plain shitty to begin with.
[13:36] <wolfger> I can't even begin to imagine how the system was allowed to be so bad in the first place, or why nobody cares enough to fix it, but it turns every relatively minor problem into an omgwtfbbq problem
[13:36] <brousch> wolfger: job security
[13:39] <wolfger> job discouragement
[13:53]  * ColonelPanic001 watches the shuttle launch
[13:53] <ColonelPanic001> 3 minutes to go
[13:59] <rick_h__> man, snapl isn't around
[14:00] <rick_h__> man, we need to raise funds to get a twit brick: https://www.brickorder.com/twit/
[14:00] <rick_h__> come on, we want a big brick with the lococast logo on it
[14:00] <greg-g> ColonelPanic001: ditto
[14:00] <ColonelPanic001> think this is the first time I've watched one live
[14:00] <rick_h__> linky!
[14:00] <ColonelPanic001> http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/ustream.html
[14:01] <greg-g> ColonelPanic001: second for me, I think, but this one is a bit more special
[14:01] <greg-g> I *almost* wish it would have been delayed a few more days when I'll be down in Orlando on Wed/thurs
[14:01] <ColonelPanic001> heh
[14:02] <greg-g> hell, remove the almost, I do wish I could have seen it in person
[14:02] <ColonelPanic001> I don't know, to be honest, seeing it in person on the ground probably wouldn't be seeing much. It'd be cool to "see it with my own eyes", but a couple minutes goes and it's over pretty uick and out of sight anyway
[14:03] <greg-g> ColonelPanic001: yeah, but seeing that exhaust trail go speeding up and then curve out is just neat
[14:03] <rick_h__> yea, Jim McQ was talking about it at a CHC recently
[14:03] <rick_h__> they saw one from about 5mi away
[14:03] <ColonelPanic001> nice
[14:03] <rick_h__> sounds like the most interesting thing is seeing it, but not hearing it
[14:03] <rick_h__> for a long time
[14:03] <ColonelPanic001> don't get me wrong, if I was down there, I'd go, too
[14:04]  * greg-g nods
[14:04] <greg-g> 13,500 mph, good god
[14:05] <greg-g> going at over Mach 17
[14:05] <ColonelPanic001> yeah. It's mind-blowing how fast they go from on the ground to being what a layman like me would call "in space"
[14:05] <ColonelPanic001> just "boom" and they're there
[14:05] <wolfger> ColonelPanic001: First one you've watched live? You really know how to procrastinate, don'cha?
[14:05] <ColonelPanic001> :P
[14:06] <wolfger> greg-g: it'd be cool to "feel it". Visually, the TV/monitor is the best show, but there's no rumble.
[14:08] <rick_h__> why does it sound like I missed the launch on this?
[14:09] <wolfger> OK, what's with the TWiT Brick House?
[14:09] <rick_h__> they're building a wall by the entry way where you buy a brick as part of raising $$ for the new studio
[14:09] <rick_h__> think lococast.net with a big logo on a big brick would look good in there :)
[14:10] <wolfger> It would.
[14:10] <rick_h__> but $640 is a bit much, that's what it would cost us to get our t-shirts
[14:11] <greg-g> wolfger: yeah, and I can watch the video later :)
[14:14] <wolfger> 3D is nothing compared to VR.... movie studios need to figure out how to include physical and aromatic stimuli into their movies
[14:14] <ColonelPanic001> how sad that when I see a shuttle launch, it reminds me of the 60s and whatnot. I mean, travelling through f'ing space should not be something I think of as "back in the old days"
[14:14] <ColonelPanic001> it's f'ing SPACE
[14:15] <wolfger> Space: The BTDT Frontier
[14:15] <ColonelPanic001> VR and 3D are nothing compared to a goddamn plot. They need to learn to incorporate a goddamn plot in their movies.
[14:15] <wolfger> ColonelPanic001: that's just crazy talk
[14:15] <wolfger> next you'll be asking them not to rehash old movies
[14:15] <ColonelPanic001> I'll take a grainy black and white movie with good writing over Transformers any day
[14:16] <wolfger> I don't know... some days I just want to see Megan Fox bending over the hood of a car....
[14:16] <ColonelPanic001> that takes 10 seconds.
[14:17] <brousch> wolfger: there's a whole genre of movies for that
[14:17] <ColonelPanic001> I have the internet for porn.
[14:17] <brousch> i see ColonelPanic001 is an expert in that genre
[14:17]  * ColonelPanic001 nods
[14:20] <wolfger> how can snap-l not be here?
[14:20] <wolfger> He needs to see this: http://shirt.woot.com/shirts/gozerhead
[14:28] <wolfger> Man dies due to being stupid; police and media blame internet instead. http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/05/15/australia.planking.death/index.html?hpt=Sbin
[14:32] <rick_h__> ok, had to look this thing up
[14:33] <rick_h__> and the 'planking' is stupid that is all
[14:33] <rick_h__> let the morons winnow themselves away I say
[14:37] <binbrain> good news is if the planking photo goes bad there will be an audience for the aftermath photo as well
[14:49] <brousch> rick_h__: i guess my online barcamp session grid viewer technically works already: http://waznex-server.appspot.com
[14:50] <brousch> it just displays the most recently uploaded photo
[14:50] <rick_h__> cool
[14:54] <brousch> now i just have to make it better
[14:54] <rick_h__> hah, that's always the fun part
[14:55] <brousch> the mobile app will take the picture and send it right to the server, so it avoids having to take a picture, visit a web page, click upload, browse your gallery for the photo, select it
[14:55] <rick_h__> and then store it locally for quick repeat access?
[14:56] <_stink_> heh, file a feature request!
[14:56] <brousch> no local storage
[14:56] <rick_h__> boooo, what about all that "lack of internet" talk :P
[14:57] <brousch> for offiline visit the physical board
[14:57] <rick_h__> bah, we want OCR and local cache with audio search ability
[14:58] <brousch> heh
[14:58] <brousch> well i'm considering slicing the photo up by column
[14:59] <rick_h__> you should test what google docs does for parsing it
[14:59] <rick_h__> be curious if it can actually make anything decent from it
[14:59] <brousch> i might learn how at tonight's grpug: SimpleCV - open source machine vision with python
[14:59] <brousch> google docs only recognizes fonts
[15:00] <brousch> i tried it a week or two ago
[15:00] <rick_h__> gotcha
[15:00] <brousch> slicing it by column would make it really useful on a tiny screen
[15:00] <rick_h__> definitely
[15:00] <brousch> column is time slot, row is room
[15:00] <greg-g> I've heard good things about SimpleCV from the Ingenuitas guys http://ingenuitas.com/
[15:01] <brousch> greg-g: that's who's presenting tonight
[15:01] <greg-g> oh, awesome!
[15:01] <brousch> i guess he's in holland for a month or so
[15:01] <wolfger> rick_h__++ (re: winnowing)
[15:01] <rick_h__> nice, GRPUG is 4th result for "simplecv python" search in google for me
[15:01] <wolfger> I find it sad that society has moved away from that concept...
[15:01] <greg-g> huh, they have a new team member, Katherine
[15:01] <brousch> rick_h__: hah, that's awesome
[15:02] <rick_h__> oh, nate is a dev on this?
[15:02] <rick_h__> interesting
[15:02] <brousch> nate oostendorp
[15:02] <brousch> you know him?
[15:02] <rick_h__> man I hate SF ui, ugh
[15:02] <greg-g> :)
[15:03] <rick_h__> so his sister is a best friend of my wife
[15:03] <rick_h__> they went to med school together where I worked
[15:03] <rick_h__> so know his sister, etc
[15:03] <rick_h__> I interviewed with him for 20min in the strangest interview I've ever had a while ago
[15:03] <greg-g> haha, awesome
[15:04] <rick_h__> yea, after I failed to get in, met him in person at this sisters house warming party...kind of strange
[15:04] <rick_h__> /this/his/g
[15:05] <greg-g> oh I bet
[15:05] <rick_h__> heh, only time I interviewed and didn't ge the job, not that I'm bitter or anything :P
[15:05] <brousch> one of the other guys is bringing people from gentex, so he might even get some business out of the presentation
[15:05] <brousch> rick_h__ wasn't awesome enough for them? now i'm scared
[15:05] <greg-g> rick_h__: :P
[15:05] <rick_h__> anyway, looks like an interesting thing
[15:06] <rick_h__> brousch: heh, well I think I'd have done fine, but yea...
[15:08] <brousch> the strangest interview i had was in the basemnt of an ann arbor apartment back in 1998 or 1999. it was a startup that scraped the USA today web site for baseball stats and packaged them for fantasy baseball. the guys are probably millionaires by now
[15:10] <wolfger> or in court
[15:11] <wolfger> although I believe the courts already ruled that stats aren't proprietary, the MLB is rather agressive in protecting anything it views as "it's property"
[15:13] <brousch> heh
[16:18] <greg-g> what is snap-l up to today?
[16:18] <greg-g> he's taking weird photos: https://identi.ca/attachment/45528874
[16:18] <rick_h__> belated anniversary celbration
[16:18] <rick_h__> up at frakenmuth for a few days
[16:18] <rick_h__> lol, that pic is a winner
[16:19] <greg-g> awesome
[16:22] <wolfger> JoDee's sense of humor FTW
[16:23] <wolfger> not a chance in hell I could get a pic of my wife wearing that hat... or live to tell the tale if I did.
[16:24] <brousch> tequila
[16:25] <rick_h__> "to enable stupid picture mode, please apply tequila"
[16:25] <rick_h__> yea, that works for most wives :P
[16:25] <brousch> hm, when did oreilly ebook start coming in APK?
[16:25] <rick_h__> apk?
[16:25] <rick_h__> I know they've had a few ebooks as apps, but meh
[16:26] <rick_h__> hah, playbook recall time
[16:27] <rick_h__> go go BB with your bad self
[16:27] <brousch> hm, not all of them are apk, only about 1/2 of mine
[16:28] <brousch> rick_h__: don't taunt. i'm sure tjagoda is already depressed enough
[16:41] <jrwren> you never owned pretty hate machine?
[16:43]  * wolfger resists (barely) the temptation to taunt tjagoda
[17:19] <rick_h__> lol, I love the web: http://thenextweb.com/apps/2011/05/11/angry-birds-for-chrome-already-hacked-unlocking-all-levels/
[17:25] <greg-g> rick_h__: yeah, saw that when I was looking for tips on getting all of the "chrome balls" this weekend
[17:25]  * greg-g isn't addicted, promise
[17:25] <rick_h__> greg-g: yea, I didn't have to complete the whole android app either :/
[17:25] <rick_h__> fortunately I think I got most of it out of my system then
[17:26] <rick_h__> just love the web side though. View source, change stuff, cheat away
[17:26] <greg-g> :)
[17:26] <greg-g> yeah, fun stuff
[18:03] <rick_h__> webdevs Blazeix, widox, n0p_ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8SS-rUEZPg&feature=player_embedded
[18:03] <rick_h__> some yummy new features in there and some I didn't know they had added
[19:28] <tjagoda> brousch/rick_h/wolfger: BBerry recalled them while they were still in the distribution channel
[19:29] <tjagoda> Consumers pretty much unaffected
[19:29] <rick_h__> I think most playbooks are still in the distribution channel :)
[19:29] <tjagoda> That's just trolling right there =P
[19:29] <rick_h__> you know it
[19:30] <tjagoda> Least it's not like an iPhone, where I have to "hold it right" to get signal? =P
[19:32] <brousch> does it even get 3G signal?
[19:33] <tjagoda> Nah, those launch in a bit
[19:34] <tjagoda> (Hopefully I wont have to "hold it right" to get 3G signal, or I'll never get the end of that.(
[19:34] <tjagoda> that.) *
[19:35] <brousch> so even if you hold it right, you don't signal
[19:36] <brousch> iphone > bbpad
[19:37] <tjagoda> iAnything < *
[19:38] <tjagoda> Especially after they brutally stomped iFlow out of business
[19:43] <greg-g> horrible name, iFlow
[19:45] <brousch> better than iStoppedUp
[19:45] <tjagoda> iFlew?
[19:46] <brousch> iCantPee
[20:20] <binbrain> does anybody know how the md5sum of a package makes it into the aptitude info?
[20:22] <binbrain> at 1st I thought it went in the control file or something that builds the deb put its somewhere, but then realized that is impossible
[20:24] <jrwren> releases.gz includes it IIRC
[20:26] <jrwren> err, packages.gz
[20:27] <jrwren> releases includes md5sum of the packages so that it can't be spoofed easily.
[20:32] <binbrain> jrwren: thanks, that seems right, I guess my problem is that I need the packages.gz after a fresh instal without doing an apt-get update which I believe fetches that packages.gz info
[20:34] <jrwren> right
[20:34] <jrwren> its on the CD
[20:34] <jrwren> do you want me to look up something for you?
[20:36] <jrwren>  dists/natty/Release shows 2 Packages files on the CD
[20:38] <binbrain> I see them there, but the problem is that the info in them isn't "merged" or whatever such that if I did a show on the package info I'd get the md5sum
[20:38] <binbrain> anyhow, I have something to go on, thanks
[20:47] <jrwren> not sure what you mean.
[20:47] <jrwren> what are you trying to do?
[20:51] <binbrain> jrwren: have a fresh install, no apt-get update or anything. I need to right away look at the packages installed and see what their md5sum's are. I noticed that the md5sum: on the package info's are empty
[20:52] <jrwren> they are?
[20:53] <binbrain> jrwren: yeah, not sure why
[20:53] <jrwren> so they are. i wonder if its an apt v. dpkg thing
[21:02] <binbrain> jrwren: md5sum/SHA* info doesn't get added until the 1st apt-get update
[21:02] <binbrain> just confirmed that
[21:07] <brousch> it looks like mono will survive http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2011/May-16.html
[21:08] <jrwren> mono will survive no matter what.
[21:08] <jrwren> its open source.
[21:08] <jrwren> its like saying "what if google fired guido, what would happen to python???"  well, duh... nothing.
[21:18] <brousch> do not compare your ballmer-infested bastard .NET with my beautiful, pure Python
[21:18] <jjesse> code is beautiful?
[21:19] <_stink_> indented to look like a sunset
[21:32] <ColonelPanic001> ^
[21:44] <jrwren> snapl!!!
[21:45] <jrwren>    http://news.perlfoundation.org/2011/05/perl-514.html
[21:45] <jrwren> he didn't tell me!