[00:04] weird e-mail du jour http://paste.kde.org/71977/ [00:11] *shrug* [00:18] Riddell: You know it's funny... Because while there are a few trials with Linux I have had a helluva time with windows on my mothers laptop. There was no drivers dick for it and it took me close to 30 hours to download and install the drivers *just* to get it to work. So, I guess it's a matter of perspective. [00:18] Riddell: RE to that intereting email [00:20] DarkwingDuck: Juan.A.Soler @team.telstra.com if you want to send the guy a reply :) [00:21] LOL [00:21] I just might. [00:21] Because side by side with each installer disk Linux is MUCH more out of the box user friendly === jjesse__ is now known as jjesse [02:27] apachelogger: ? [02:52] I got this error while running cmake. http://paste.kde.org/72019/ can anyone please tell me name of the packages required? [03:21] that's not a failure [03:21] if it's failing, the relevant info is elsewhere [03:33] Hey guys [04:10] apachelogger: Reading the packagers list you should be explaining to the kdegames people about phonon. [04:36] srr [04:37] j [04:37] [04:37] jty [04:37] [04:39] Wow, kids again. [05:29] apachelogger: Is there a GUI frontend for meinproc4? [05:36] DarkwingDuck: why would you need that? [05:37] tazz: for another project where the people involved are not CLI savvy at all. [05:38] DarkwingDuck: iirc all i use meinproc4 is like "meinproc4 index.docbook" [05:38] Yeah, I was looking at that. [05:38] i dont remember ever using meinproc for anything else. [05:38] Shouldn't be hard to write a Qt or Python interface for it. [05:39] DarkwingDuck: yes it should not be hard. [05:39] Actually, it would make a good first project for me. :) [05:39] :) [05:40] i think thats why no one has created a gui for it. Maybe because its not needed. [05:40] Yeah, i know it's not needed for mainstream but, this project... yeah... [05:42] I might take it a couple steps further. [05:42] I might incorperate HTML2DocBook with it too [06:17] yofel_: ping [06:19] well, i've got some info about the kded-dbus-networking craziness [06:20] a workaround, actually. maybe this could be helpful for finding a solution, too. [06:20] * eMyller finally has his natty usable [06:20] sad it has to be tricky. === hunger_ is now known as hunger [10:19] ScottK: http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.kde.devel.core/70072 [10:21] hi agateau, Riddell, is any of you guys going to the Qt Contributors Summit (http://is.gd/jwq3Pn)? [10:21] not me [10:22] dpm: I asked to go, haven't received Nokia answer yet [10:22] agateau, ok, Adam Weinrich, the Nokia guy at UDS was asking who was coming, so I'll let him know you've applied [10:23] let me ask Kaleo too [10:23] dpm: ok, thanks [10:23] no worries :) [10:37] moin moin [10:39] apachelogger: ping [10:58] dpm: I'll maybe come as well [10:59] hey didrocks, I didn't even know you were on this channel :) Ok, let me send you an e-mail as well [11:02] thanks for the heads up! [11:02] dpm: thanks for managing this :) [11:02] no worries :) [11:03] is anyone else from the Kubuntu/Qt community attending the Summit? [11:07] which summit ? [11:07] dpm: ^^ [11:08] jussi, [11:21] hi agateau, Riddell, is any of you guys going to the Qt Contributors Summit (http://is.gd/jwq3Pn)? [11:08] dpm: Im not, but I do know the Qt guy who was at UDS, ddenis, is going. [11:08] ok [11:14] DarkwingDuck: khc [11:14] padams: pong [11:15] ScottK: why is that? [11:16] apachelogger: hey, got the debugging output from kded4 when disconnecting from the VPn causes 100% cpu use... what do you want me to do with it? [11:16] ScottK: and my blueprints complaint was bogus ... it should have been blueprints on kubuntu-devel are the suck [11:16] (i.e. blueprints for which kubuntu members is assignee or something) [11:16] padams: paste or send it to apachelogger@ubuntu.com [11:18] alrighty - will mail it [11:21] apachelogger: ok - coming at you. this log starts with me invoking kded4 from the cli and ends with it eating cpu when i disconnected from the VPN [11:22] not much usefulness [11:22] that's what i figured [11:22] perhaps we'll need callgrind or cachegrind to help [11:23] * apachelogger is pretty sure applying either on kded4 will not work by default thanks to runtime library loading etc. [11:24] I'm quite lost in process as there is not anymore ninja team. What's the workflow/process to update something in the stack nowdays? (for instance, let's see I want to give an itch at qtcreator) [11:25] sure there are ninjas [11:25] oh, I was thinking it was not the case anymore, maybe reading blog post too late isn't a good idea :) [11:26] but for instance, for qt/qtcreator, does that follow the same policy (as it doesn't follow the same schedule than kde) [11:26] didrocks: there is no policy behind ninjas, except that coherent products are released as such to the archive :P [11:27] didrocks: anyhow, just check if the package has a packaging branch for kubuntu-packagers, use that if there is one [11:27] apachelogger: is there a wiki page to declare I'm working on ? [11:27] ok, nice, let me see :) [11:27] otherwise completely normal [11:27] apachelogger: thanks, let me have a look [11:27] didrocks: components that tend to have plenty of people work on them have packaging branches for exactly that reason :) [11:28] * apachelogger thinks creator doesn't have one [11:28] so.... we have todo for accessibility, community, council, defaults, documentation, filesharing [11:28] meh, installer next :S [11:29] apachelogger: yeah, as we do for ubuntu-desktop :) [11:29] apachelogger: so, confirmed, nothing for creator, let me do a traditional update then [11:31] maco, afiestas: would one of you maybe like to write a todo for/from the kubuntu installer session? [11:46] didrocks: are you fixing jono's designer-no-starting bug? ^^ [11:46] apachelogger: I didn't see that bug, can you pastebin the discussion? [11:47] oh, he posted it somewhere on identi.ca [11:47] (is it the grey "design" icon?) [11:47] let me look, I'm not a twitter/identica addict :) [11:47] I believe it just didn't want to start [11:48] didrocks: http://identi.ca/notice/73580875 [11:48] * apachelogger just came to experience that jono is quite the replymaster on identi.ca ^^ [11:49] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtcreator/+bug/752713 [11:49] Ubuntu bug 752713 in qtcreator (Ubuntu) "Can't access Qt creator design mode" [Undecided,New] [11:49] just found it :) [11:49] apachelogger: right, I found it on page 3… only in one day :) [11:50] let me dive into the issue, i was thinking it was disable for 2.1 and enabled in 2.2 [11:50] * apachelogger finishes compiling the mobile todo from uds \\o/ [11:50] didrocks: depends on the kind of designer [11:50] the qml designer was disabled for 2.1 most definitely [11:51] I think Jono is speaking about the qml one [11:52] if you are in a qml project, I think that qml designer should be trigger, if you are in a qt project, qt designer should be, isn't it? [11:52] no [11:52] depends on the file that current has focus [11:53] *currently [11:53] is it a qt ui file then qt designer kicks in, is it qml you get the qml code and the option to switch into the designer [11:53] ok, so s/project/file [11:53] aye [11:53] one can have projects with both :P [11:53] ok, I'll have a look :) [11:58] didrocks: could you work more often on qt/kde stuff, I fear I might get lonely with Riddell around in the mornings ^^ [11:59] oh, groovy, lightdm session has action items \o/ [12:01] apachelogger: right, that's why I stepped up on this :) [12:01] apachelogger: I'll try Qt first, one step after another ;) [12:01] hence my question about policy/process if any :p [12:02] awesome :D [12:05] apachelogger: btw, I remember some years ago about awesome graphics of packages and dependencies for Qt/KDE in the wiki, are they still around? [12:05] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/Ninjas/ [12:05] eh [12:05] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/Ninjas/DependencyGraph [12:06] excellent thanks! [12:06] then again, that ninjas page holds all the stuff worth documenting (like kde l10n building and whatnot) [12:06] nothing similar for Qt? [12:06] yeah, I'll give them a look again :) [12:06] didrocks: no, but feel free to create one ;) [12:07] * apachelogger imagines getting the scope right for Qt might be a problem... [12:07] then again with Qt 5's modularization we'll need one for sure [12:07] yeah, maybe best to wait for the Qt5 reorganization, seems it's getting slowly in shape :) [12:09] <----------------------------------------- Blame Harald for leaking KDnity screenshots -- blame Jussi for making them. [12:10] Quintasan_: might I just say.... jussi leaked them before me! [12:10] only he did it to the wrong target audience (twitter) [12:12] BWAAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH [12:14] who want's to write a todo for ballmer's peak? [12:14] IMHO we should have some action items to prepare for next UDS [12:15] actually valuable research output this time around seems rather low [12:15] Martyn's idea of asking random not-so-trivial programming questions seemed jolly useful [12:16] apachelogger: would it not be more awesome to ask people to write something useful and then we can see which one codes the most awesome stuff? :D [12:17] awesome != good programming [12:17] e.g. plasma :P [12:17] just kidding [12:18] jussi: the thing is... if you have short but tricky programming questions the time it takes you to think up a sane solution is a good indication about proximity to ballmer's peak [12:19] fair point [12:20] I think what we should at least find out next time is: does ballmer's peak actually relate to the amount of alcohol in the blood, or rather the amount in relation with something else [12:20] jussi: btw, do you happen to know what the tags at the beginning of the etherpad pages are for? [12:21] apachelogger: so you can see all of the etherpads by group. dont ask me how though [12:22] ^^ [12:23] IMHO someone shoudl hack into etherpad and make it more integrated [12:26] apachelogger: they hack lots already... :P [12:26] jussi: where does one report bugs? ^^ [12:28] wtf [12:28] we still have todos postponed from karmic :O [12:28] and one of them is even sorta related to me [12:28] SCARY! [12:29] apachelogger: get on it!!!! :D [12:29] btw http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3Xwta_XIJo&feature=player_embedded [12:29] AWESOME! [12:30] there was some tricky stuff involved [12:30] can't remember what exactly was stopping the show [12:30] something with the existing implementation not being cross-desktopy or something [12:30] *shrug* [12:31] * apachelogger thinks zenity and kdialog should merge into one thing with multiple faces [12:33] jussi: do you know whether sunday is claimable btw? [12:33] apachelogger: not sure - they said 3 days were claimable - 2 for us as Riddell paid that one day. [12:33] maybe tuesday [12:34] * apachelogger writes mail to marianna [12:43] jussi: do we have a python minion at hand? [12:44] apachelogger: dont think so [12:44] meh [12:44] rgreening: maybe you have time? :) [12:45] there were times when you just needed to say python in here and people were jumping at you [12:47] apachelogger: you are a attitude influencer, and your hate of python has driven many of them away. [12:48] I am not saying it is a bad thing :P [12:48] just pointing it out [12:48] oh amichair! [12:48] amichair: pling pling [12:49] amichair: mvo would like ot have https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/software-properties/dbusworker for oneiric, but there are still plenty of todos ... basically it is just creating a dbus interface for polkit usage so that software-properties does not need to be run as root [12:51] shadeslayer: ping [12:51] QuintasanDroid: do you have a pyth0rn minion possibly? [12:52] hmmm, I'll ask Matheww later [12:52] he expressed intrest in fixing printer magic [12:53] shadeslayer: what was the name of the tablet for 100€€€€€€€€€€ [12:53] agateau: have I told already how much I love you? [12:53] with monochromatic display [12:53] Tm_T: I don't think so :) [12:53] agateau: plasma-widget-menubar rocks, I [12:54] I've been missing that kind of functionality for some time now [12:55] !info kde-config-grub2 [12:55] kde-config-grub2 (source: kcm-grub2): Configuration module for the GRUB2 bootloader. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.3.0-0ubuntu1 (natty), package size 37 kB, installed size 236 kB [12:55] nice [12:55] hmm [12:56] we dont want it by defauly, do we? [13:04] hey Kubuntu people, we're testing language packs, and it seems most of the teams are testing the Ubuntu but not the Kubuntu ones. Would anyone be up for testing Kubuntu translations and leave feedback as per the instructions on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/LanguagePackUpdatesQA ? [13:05] QuintasanDroid ^ [13:05] neversfelde ^ [13:46] apachelogger: yeah i told scott i'd do it. just havent yet [13:47] ok [14:01] apachelogger: FYI, fabo has an updated qtcreator package, I'll just resync it tomorrow [14:02] awesome [14:05] hello all, I checked some of the sessions for UDS and I must say, you guys rock :) [14:06] I wanna help out some more with the documentation on the wiki this cycle and probable help out with testing and packaging a bit [14:06] keffie_jayx you need to talk to DarkwingDuck as he heads up the documentation [14:08] jjesse: well I have checked out the sessions results and actions, I am unsure if there is a particular mailing list though [14:08] * keffie_jayx checks [14:08] rbelem, jussi, Quintasan_, ScottK, afiestas: I just asked marianna about per diem ... if you had lunch and/or dinner on sunday you are entitled to claim th per diem for both ... if you did *not* attend the linaro showcase you can claim tuesday dinner ... those who did not join riddell on wednesday for dinner are entitled to claim per diem for that ... everyone is entiteled to claim dinner per diem for thursday (unless someone from [14:08] canonical was buyin and stuff) [14:09] apachelogger: thanks [14:09] apachelogger: Thanks. [14:09] well, I will donate my launch to canonical xD [14:10] * afiestas is lazy even to do that :p [14:11] * rbelem hugs apachelogger [14:11] :-) [14:22] ScottK: do you have time to prescreen a UDS blog post? [14:23] apachelogger: No. I'm actually in a $WORK meeting pretending to pay attention at the moment and I can only take the pretending so far. [14:23] ^^ [14:23] kk [14:23] JontheEchidna: I just asked marianna about per diem ... if you had lunch and/or dinner on sunday you are entitled to claim th per diem for both ... if you did *not* attend the linaro showcase you can claim tuesday dinner ... those who did not join riddell on wednesday for dinner are entitled to claim per diem for that ... everyone is entiteled to claim dinner per diem for thursday (unless someone from canonical was buyin and stuff) [14:23] JontheEchidna: also, do you have time to prescreen a blog post? [14:26] apachelogger: plong [14:31] Quintasan_: pong [14:31] Quintasan_: you mean 100 USD? [14:32] apachelogger: Android sucks monkey balls [14:32] * afiestas never finds how to sign up on kubuntu wiki [14:33] Quintasan_: lol ... i forgot the name [14:33] aaaaaaaaaaah this little rectangle in the top-left corner [14:33] now I see :D [14:34] #usabilityfail [14:34] amichair: whatever I wrote before [14:35] dpm: cool, once I get home I can coduct some testing [14:35] oneiric is going to package 4.7, right? [14:36] apachelogger: when approx. todo will be ready? [14:36] read yer mail!!!! [14:36] Quintasan, excellent. btw, did everything work with your re-addition to the Polish translation team? [14:36] who wants to be nice enough to prescreen a blog post???? :P [14:36] afiestas: yes [14:36] afiestas: yes, we will merge with Debian and then base 4.7 packaging on that [14:36] afiestas: .2 to be precise [14:37] dpm: I was added back, I shall blame Launchpad for emails not apparently reaching Tomasz [14:37] Quintasan, why Launchpad? Did you not e-mail him yourself? [14:37] lunchpad - mails omnomnom [14:37] dpm: thanks, I noted down his email so in case something like that happens again I will email him directly [14:37] QuintasanDroid: Noteslate [14:37] QuintasanDroid: and its 100 USD [14:38] shadeslayer: already found it, I know it is USD but my droid is retarded and by longpress on € it thinks I want tons of € signs [14:38] hehe [14:39] QuintasanDroid: i have a very minimal android build and even then it doesn't work like its supposed to [14:39] lol [14:39] android magic [14:39] its good but some nitpicks make it awful to use sometimes [14:40] me kernel is not bootin; [14:40] fix it [14:40] then [14:40] Nightrose: ping [14:40] QuintasanDroid: i boot it and i keep seeing the bootsplash .... [14:40] apachelogger: pong [14:41] apachelogger: sure [14:41] dpm: well, I used Launchpad to email him thinking that mail have to reach him when he is managing our team [14:41] Nightrose: do you have time to presecreen a blog post? [14:41] QuintasanDroid: and then i have to turn off the screen and turn it on again ... horrible ... [14:41] dpm: But it is Lunchpad as apachelogger pointed out - mails omnomnom [14:41] apachelogger: i have a telco in a few mins [14:41] shadeslayer: Thats android for you [14:41] Nightrose: ok [14:42] QuintasanDroid: indeed ... [14:42] lets make sure that Kubuntu Active is better [14:42] JontheEchidna: a mail was deliviered to your online inbox [14:42] k [14:42] QuintasanDroid, it should have reached him, I don't know what went on there. But in any case, I always e-mail people directly, since I want to have record in my sent folder on when I e-mailed someone [14:42] * apachelogger notes that the name kubuntu active is not yet final [14:42] not even close [14:42] apachelogger: blog post prescreening? [14:42] it actually has a todo item to figure out the name [14:42] is it long? [14:42] QuintasanDroid: yeah ... ARM + Plasma Active + Kubuntu is going to be my focus next cycle hopefully [14:42] 711 words [14:42] apachelogger: We need to schedule a KC meeting to review/approve the specs. Presumably 5/30 or later. [14:43] Cool [14:43] * QuintasanDroid is all for Kubuntu Active [14:43] sounds more sophisticated than Kubuntu Mobile [14:43] yeah [14:43] ScottK: my council membership expires 2011-05-31 :P [14:43] lol [14:43] plasma active looks better too :P [14:44] Right. [14:44] apachelogger: you actually get to have a voice in that :P [14:44] ScottK: why not before end of may? [14:44] * QuintasanDroid just figured out he only has two tests to write [14:45] I thought it would make sense for the new council to approve stuff, but I'm not wedded to it. [14:45] +1 for new council making decisions [14:45] ScottK: well, there are arguments for old council and for new council I suppose [14:46] + 1/2 of the council doesnt change anyway ^^ [14:46] brb [14:46] $SOMEONE should schedule something. [14:46] ScottK: let us let the $SOMEONE decide ;) [14:48] apachelogger: I submitted feedback through that feedback submittal thing [14:50] JontheEchidna: read is good enough, coherent and whatnot? [14:50] interesting etc. [14:50] magic [14:50] butterflies [15:11] apachelogger: Looks like Debian is about to upload 4.6.3 to Unstable. [15:16] \o/ [15:16] As I expected === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan [15:18] apachelogger: oh cool stuff about Sunday lunch [15:24] where I can find the notes of https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-o-lightdm ? [15:26] apachelogger: yus [15:26] JontheEchidna: Do you remember how much approx was it for KFC's bucket? [15:27] afiestas: eh [15:27] afiestas: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-o/meeting/desktop-o-lightdm/ [15:28] also... bzr branch lp:kubuntu-web-shortcuts && cd kubuntu-web-shortcuts && sudo make install && kbuildsycoca4 [15:28] then you can use udesnotes:desktop-o-lightdm in krunner [15:29] Quintasan: 2100? [15:29] it was a lot of chicken [15:29] you claim the whole per diem though, no matter what you spent [15:30] 2500? [15:30] yeah, that's the whole per diemd [15:30] -d [15:30] cool [15:33] * Quintasan sends fixed Expenses Form [15:35] !info libnl-dev [15:35] libnl-dev (source: libnl): development library and headers for libnl. In component main, is optional. Version 1.1-6 (natty), package size 24 kB, installed size 300 kB [15:35] * apachelogger waves fist [15:35] !info libnl1 [15:35] libnl1 (source: libnl): library for dealing with netlink sockets. In component main, is optional. Version 1.1-6 (natty), package size 116 kB, installed size 352 kB [15:35] hm [15:35] apachelogger: Can I add Project Neon stuff to our main Todo list? [15:35] * Quintasan is too lazy to maintain two lists [15:35] padams, ScottK: I believe the kded4 load comes from a bug in libnl [15:36] Oohh. Nice. [15:37] http://i.imgur.com/rP60S.png [15:37] 208,820,950 function calls seem way too many [15:37] especially considering that qstrcmp only got 1,000,000 [15:38] yes, that does seem somewhat excessive :) [15:39] Looks like upstream has no bug tracker. [15:39] Likely that means the software is perfect. [15:40] there are only 2 bugs in launchpad [15:41] neither of which "feel" like they are related [15:41] 208,820,950 [15:42] WTF [15:42] IT'S A FEATURE [15:43] * Quintasan goes to mow the lawn [15:44] * padams is not entirely sure what Quintasan is trying to say [15:44] padams: 208,820,950 calls to libnl [15:44] it's like [15:44] WOAH, why so many? [15:45] ah [15:50] the issue must be in update-connectivity of ntrack-libnl1.so [15:51] it is responsible for all calls to the function it would appear [15:52] ScottK: * Copyright (C) 2009,2010 Alexander Sack [15:52] I think we might be able to hunt down that developer :P [15:54] Nice. [15:55] it might be a broken iter actually [15:56] update_connectivity while loops over an iter 2 times, within those loops the ifindex function gets called [15:56] ScottK: I think the issue with SDO will be fixed by strueg. [15:57] steveire: I saw the discussion. Thanks for taking that one. [15:57] one/on [15:58] urgh [15:58] looks like anything will have to wait [15:58] Sure. strueg needed a bit of a kick anyway. It's not the first time things break like that. [16:26] ScottK, padams: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ntrack/+bug/755608 [16:26] Ubuntu bug 755608 in ntrack "Ntrack dead loop in function get_nl_link_by_index " [High,Fix committed] [16:26] * apachelogger should have looke dfor a bug before firing up gdb ^^ [16:27] http://paste.ubuntu.com/609049/ [16:27] Very good. [16:27] basically that loop would never ever terminate [16:27] ScottK: now you just need to poke asac to SRU this asap :P [16:27] apachelogger: For asac values of 'P' tend to be very large. [16:28] s/asap/right now :P [16:29] it would make at least one kubuntu user just that little bit happier :D [16:29] Could someone who is having this problem please file (or point me to) a bug against Ubuntu libnl with a test case for how to reproduce this? [16:29] Looking into it, but need the bug. [16:30] ScottK: the bug is in ntrack, not libnl [16:30] Right. [16:30] Bug against that. [16:31] ScottK: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ntrack/+bug/755608 [16:31] Ubuntu bug 755608 in ntrack (Ubuntu) "Ntrack dead loop in function get_nl_link_by_index " [Undecided,New] [16:31] Thanks. [16:37] Added steps to reproduce as comment + a callgrind log with 48 million calls to proof the awfulness ;) [16:40] ;-) [16:45] padams: I just uploaded a test package to my PPA. Once it's built, you can test and verify this fixes it. If it does, I'll upload it to the archive. [16:46] alrighty - let me know when it is ready and i will go right ahead [16:55] JontheEchidna: maybe I should add pictures to the blog post? [16:55] ScottK: do you have time to read yet? :P [16:55] apachelogger: No. Meeting is all day. === c2tarun_ is now known as c2tarun [16:56] meetings-- [16:56] * apachelogger starts writing a blog post about daily wrap up meetings at uds [17:06] padams: https://launchpad.net/~kitterman/+archive/ppa <-- It's there. There is also a test Qt package in there, so just take the nettrack update. [17:09] alrighty - thanks [17:11] who is around and has time to read a blog post before I hit the publish button? [17:17] * apachelogger grumps and publishes [17:17] * ScottK prepares to flame. [17:18] http://apachelog.wordpress.com/2011/05/17/kubuntu-11-10-sneak-peak/ [17:22] apachelogger: what are those low fat kde settings? [17:22] debfx: down with nepomuk, down with akonadi, down with kded modules for no good reason, down with pointless autostart apps [17:23] ScottK: works perfectly! :D [17:23] padams: Please mark that in the bug. I'll upload. [17:23] alrighty [17:24] apachelogger: for the mobile edition? [17:24] evening [17:24] debfx: every edition [17:24] the idea is to have an additional package which will allow you to go low fat if you want to [17:24] embedded setups of course have most the junk by default [17:26] padams: Uploaded. [17:27] cool [17:27] aha, kubuntu-default-settings-low-fat ^^ [17:28] kubuntu-default-settings-apachloggers-diet :P [17:28] or kubuntu-default-settings-light ^^ [17:30] nah, just call it kubuntu-low-fat and have the settings in there [17:30] * jussi prods apachelogger's pm [17:47] * micahg likes the idea of slimming down the desktop as an option [17:48] also terribly easy to do because it is essentially what we do for mobile anyway [17:49] hrw mentioned that he felt the desktop to become fatter all the time and I was thinking, if we can make the system run on a crappy n900 we should be able to make it run decently on a p3 with 512mb or maybe even less ^^ [17:49] is there an api in kdelibs to compute changes between two files ? (like diff) :P [17:50] bambee: that question is rather fuzzy [17:50] though I wouldn't know anything like that off the top of my head [17:50] bambee: what are you tryig to do? [17:54] apachelogger: actually all /etc/{passwd,shadow,group} files are entirely read and then entirely wrote. (it's easier like that). I want to compute and apply changes only for shadow, because read it entirely requires authentication. [17:54] (and it can be avoided) [17:55] I think you will have to write your own class for that [17:55]