[00:56] <nit-wit> using lubuntu natty what is the save session settings protocol
[04:40] <semitones> what does it mean that lubuntu is moving to gtk3+?
[04:40] <semitones> s/+//
[07:28] <palhmbs> there is a key combination in vim that doesn't work with lxterminal - using CTRL-w then CTRL-q used to close a file, not any more
[07:29] <palhmbs> can somebody explain the weirdness I've been experiencing between terminals from 10.10 and 11.04?
[07:29] <palhmbs> mrxvt with lubuntu / 11.04 has totally screwed vim :(
[07:29] <bioterror> everybody has moved to rxvt-unicode ;)
[07:29] <palhmbs> especially cut and paste
[07:30] <palhmbs> your telling me that mrxvt doesn't support unicode, i don't believe it.
[07:30] <palhmbs> I thought unicode support has been around for awhile, in lot's of terminals
[07:31] <bioterror> Q:  Does mrxvt support UTF-8 locale/encoding method?
[07:31] <bioterror> A:  Not now. This is a planned work and hopefully will be supported in the next
[07:31] <bioterror>     development branch (0.5.x).
[07:32] <palhmbs> I liked mrxvt cause I could setup key shortcuts eg CTRL-SHIFT-2 / 3 to run vim / ssh or whatever, in a new tab.
[07:32] <palhmbs> frak, i don't need UTF-8 support, as long as cut & paste works ( like it did, before I upgraded )
[07:33] <palhmbs> oh, well, life goes on - I guess I live with lxterminal until MRXVT get their act together....
[07:34] <palhmbs> though I thought it was a almost dead / dead project
[07:34] <bioterror> hmmm
[07:34] <bioterror> you could try terminator?
[07:35] <bioterror> but I like urxvt, I have clickable urls and so on
[07:37] <bioterror> I have tabbed urxvt now on my screen
[08:21] <Ascavasaion> Hello.  how would an AMD 900MHz, 184Mb RAM, and 20Gb system run with Lubuntu.  Will it even run?
[08:28] <bioterror> Ascavasaion, sure it will
[08:28] <bioterror> but get more RAM
[08:28] <bioterror> it wont hurt
[08:28] <Ascavasaion> bioterror: thank you... I have no more RAM :(
[08:29] <bioterror> you need to scavenge :D
[08:29] <Ascavasaion> bioterror: I booted the installation CD, and it has been "loading" for about 1/2 an hour... not sure if it has hung or what.  The little row of dots that alternate under the Lubuntu logo are still movning.  Any advice?
[08:30] <bioterror> press esc or spacebar
[08:30] <Ascavasaion> ESC or Spacebar do nothing.
[08:30] <bioterror> you should see under the beautiful plymouth
[08:30] <bioterror> reboot and try again
[08:30] <Ascavasaion> the 5 little dots just keep alternating.
[08:32] <Ascavasaion> Okay, rebooted and opted for Install Ubuntu... now we wait again.
[08:32] <jmarsden> Ascavasaion and bioterror, will the GUI installer run OK in 184 MB??  Maybe you should try the "install from mini.iso, then add lubuntu-desktop" approach?
[08:32] <bioterror> Ascavasaion, if that doesnt do the trick
[08:32] <bioterror> yeah
[08:32] <bioterror> !mini | Ascavasaion
[08:32] <bioterror> I was just going to suggest
[08:32] <jmarsden> :)
[08:33] <Ascavasaion> Pity the Linux distro does not run the old text installer as default.
[08:33] <bioterror> yeah
[08:33] <bioterror> I feel the same
[08:33] <poltak> why don
[08:34] <poltak> why isn't Java jdk packaged with lbuntu?
[08:34] <bioterror> thank god we have gentoo and arch linux
[08:34] <bioterror> poltak, becouse propietary
[08:34] <poltak> what about openjdk entiety of free?
[08:34] <bioterror> it is
[08:34] <poltak> entirely*
[08:35] <bioterror> and if someone needs to develop java, they can fetch the jdk
[08:35] <bioterror> I assume
[08:35] <poltak> can  it be packed with lubuntu?
[08:35] <Ascavasaion> Should I go 10.04?  Or stick with the 11.04?
[08:35] <bioterror> jmarsden, I have set my lubuntu-desktop mails go to gmail and I have pushmail to my phone
[08:35] <bioterror> I hear all the time *ding* :d
[08:35] <bioterror> Ascavasaion, go with the latest
[08:35] <jmarsden> bioterror: :)
[08:35] <Ascavasaion> bioterror: Okies
[08:36] <bioterror> Ascavasaion, when you have that installed, you say "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install lubuntu-desktop --no-install-recommends" without "" ofkooz
[08:37] <Ascavasaion> bioterror: Braggart :)
[08:37] <jmarsden> poltak: There is not really room left on the CD for developer-only tools, and any "spare" space will probably be used for more language packs instead of new packages.
[08:37] <bioterror> jmarsden, should I add to faq a guide how to make --no-install-recommends always on?
[08:38] <jmarsden> bioterror: I'm not sure... we are trying to get lubuntu-desktop to "work" with recommends ; we need it to work that way for the official Ubuntu build system, it seems.
[08:38] <jmarsden> So adding a FAQ entry might be unnecessary fairly soon...
[08:38] <bioterror> it's okay for another programs too :P
[08:41] <jmarsden> You can add it to the FAQ, it shouldn't hurt anything; but it is just one more "unusual" thing to do that makes using Lubuntu seem hard or strange to newcomers...
[08:41] <bioterror> even debian needs that on server installation
[08:41] <poltak> jmarsden: java is everywhere!
[08:42] <jmarsden> poltak: Really? :)  Then find it inside your keyboard (you said it was everywhere!!) and download it from there into your Lubuntu machine :) :)
[08:42] <poltak> It isn't in my keyboard marsden! I got a really old keyboard
[08:42] <jmarsden> poltak: BTW, good luck finding Java on your Windows CDs :)
[08:42] <jmarsden> Even new ones :)
[08:43] <poltak> I don't have any windows CDs! They're way too expensive
[08:43] <poltak> What about evolution mail? Anyone use that?
[08:43] <jmarsden> So its not in your keyboard, and it is not in your windows CDs... I suspect it is not really "everywhere" :)
[08:43] <poltak> it is! It says on oracle site, you hero
[08:43] <jmarsden> poltak: evolution is a very large program, Lubuntu is more intended for smaller less memory hungry apps :)
[08:43] <poltak> back to the matter at hand
[08:44] <jmarsden> Just because it says something on a web site, does not make it true :)
[08:44] <poltak> I'm talking about use in general. Anyone use evolution mail?
[08:44] <Ascavasaion> "chroot: can't execute 'dpkg-divert': Input/output error.
[08:45] <jmarsden> poltak: This is #lubuntu ... for Lubuntu support.
[08:45] <poltak> do you heard of java marsden?
[08:45] <jmarsden> Ascavasaion: Sounds like either the install CD or your hard drive has issues.
[08:45] <Ascavasaion> jmarsden: Sigh.
[08:45] <jmarsden> poltak: I program in it and have packaged Java apps, so yes.  But that is not really on topic here.
[08:46] <poltak> Right, I'm gonna pretend you're not here anymore
[08:47] <Ascavasaion> Okay, burning the mini.iso.
[08:52] <bioterror> poltak, no. evolution is gnome integrated and filters doesnt work that good
[08:53] <poltak> oh that explains why it's on every bloody gnome distro I try out
[08:53] <poltak> do the lubuntu site have a request section?
[08:53] <bioterror> we have discussions about requests soon
[08:53] <poltak> I'm gonna request openjdk
[08:54] <poltak> does lubuntu not come with ANY proprietary software?
[08:54] <bioterror> no
[08:54] <bioterror> you have to enable partner repo for that
[08:54] <poltak> but it's not considered free because of the ubuntu repos right?
[08:54] <jmarsden> Some restricted drivers, maybe?
[08:54] <poltak> a free distro, I mean
[08:54] <bioterror> http://www.ubuntu.com/project/about-ubuntu/our-philosophy
[08:55] <poltak> I'm not allowed to click links
[08:55] <bioterror> why not?
[08:55] <bioterror> spreading word of opensource software is spreading word of communism!
[08:55] <poltak> last time I did I ruined gran's laptop
[08:56] <bioterror> really
[08:56] <poltak> but that was an msn link
[08:57] <poltak> also, opensource software isn't communism
[08:57] <Ascavasaion> Mini.iso is also giving me trouble now... sigh.  Puppylinux runs fine on this machine with a Frugal install.  HOwcome Ubuntu will not even boot into the installation media?
[08:58] <bioterror> Ascavasaion, any errors?
[09:00] <Ascavasaion> bioterror: froze on loading vmlinuz or something.  I have since rebooted... again.
[09:03] <bioterror> hmmm
[09:05] <Ascavasaion> Okay, trying with Mini.iso again.  I opted for first option... Install.  CDROM is reading like crazy and initial installation menu has not disappeared.
[09:06] <Ascavasaion> got an error... but it disappeared... EDD Error: something something Sector something .... sound slike the hard disk is dodgy or the disc.  I just burnt the disc.  Argh!  Why can it not just work.  Sheesh.
[09:08] <poltak> what's you guys favourite thing about lubuntu?
[09:09] <Ascavasaion> poltak: Um... not installing it, that is for sure heehhe
[09:12] <poltak> Why is this hard for you?
[09:14] <Ascavasaion> poltak: Because the installer is dying on me ehhe
[09:14] <poltak> stop laughing or you'd be wise to not belief it
[09:15] <Ascavasaion> huh?
[09:15] <poltak> just drop it
[09:15] <poltak> brb I need to do some networking maintenance and repairs (I'm network administrator of my house)
[09:17] <Ascavasaion> Oooooooookay.
[10:01] <Ascavasaion> Turns out it was a dodgy burn :)  EDD error = dodgy CD heeh  Reburnt it on the XP machine and it is installing now :)
[10:03] <poltak> Ascavasaion: you can never trust XP
[10:05] <Ascavasaion> Does mini.iso install X Windows, etc.?
[10:05] <poltak> Ascavasaion: nope
[10:06] <Ascavasaion> Oh :(
[10:06] <Ascavasaion> Okay.
[10:41] <poltak> Ascavasaion: tell me you've got it working
[10:42] <Ascavasaion> poltak: It is downloading stuff off the Internet now :)
[10:42] <poltak> good lad. You can thank me later
[10:42] <Ascavasaion> poltak: HAHA!
[10:48] <Ascavasaion> It crashed... Installing The Base system failed.  :(
[10:48] <poltak> That's not my fault!
[10:48] <Ascavasaion> I never said it was your fault.
[10:49] <poltak> you basically implied it. It's recorded now anyway
[10:49] <Ascavasaion> HA HA HA!  Nonsense.
[10:50] <poltak> If I get an email from the administrators I'm giving them the timestamp so they can come check the records from then
[10:50] <poltak> I didn't do anything wrong
[10:52] <MrChrisDruif> What's going on?
[10:53] <poltak> basically accused of breaking some guys system
[10:54] <MrChrisDruif> Aha...only if you suggested third party PPA's etc then you MIGHT get blamed, otherwise your probably safe :)
[10:54] <MrChrisDruif> ;)
[10:55] <poltak> I didn't even do that!!! :( seriously feel like crap now
[10:56] <MrChrisDruif> Cheer up poltak
[10:57] <Ascavasaion> MrChrisDruif: He is talking crap.
[10:57] <MrChrisDruif> I don't know what happened fully, so just chill :P
[10:57] <Ascavasaion> MrChrisDruif: I am chilled hehe  Either we have a language problem and he misunderstood what I said, or he is playing the fool.
[10:58] <poltak> :( shit I used to think you guys were the coolest but not any more
[10:58]  * Ascavasaion shuts up.
[10:59] <MrChrisDruif> poltak; We're not accusing you of anything, what's wrong?
[11:00] <poltak> MrChrisDruif: I just think I'm gonna have to go for another walk to get this off my chest
[11:00] <MrChrisDruif> Alright, have a nice walk :)
[11:02] <poltak> It's bloody freezing so I won't!
[11:06] <MrChrisDruif> Southern hemisphere?
[11:53] <Ascavasaion> Which is lighter... Xubuntu or Lubuntu?
[11:55] <kalithlev> Lubuntu
[11:55] <MrChrisDruif> Ascavasaion; I'm not sure, I haven't tested. But in my experience is Lubuntu lighter then Xubuntu
[11:55] <Ascavasaion> MrChrisDruif: Aaaah, thank you.
[14:13] <Ahmuck> Lubuntu for now
[14:21] <Ahmuck> rofl, that guy sounds like he's had a little to much of something
[14:21] <Ahmuck> why don't i ever get here to join the fun at the right time
[14:21] <Ahmuck> :(
[15:23] <kalithlev> hm, is it possible to get the "Extract here" thing in pcmanfm to create a folder with the archive name?
[18:51] <Soupermanito> why the lubuntu homepage doesnt lead you to the torrent?
[20:47] <mikeatvillage> Hi, is there a gui I can use to enter details of my proxy for internet access
[20:48] <mikeatvillage> I've just install the gnome network tools but it's not in there
[20:48] <bioterror> seems like we have a faq material in here
[20:49] <bioterror> cromium-browser --proxy-server=host:port
[20:49] <bioterror> chromium-browser even
[20:50] <bioterror> man chromium-browser
[20:50] <bioterror> and /proxy
[20:50] <bioterror> for searching proxy settings
[20:51] <mikeatvillage> bioterror: Thanks. I thought the browsers used the "system settings"
[20:53] <bioterror> np ;)
[20:53] <bioterror> actually that's ridiculous thing
[20:53] <mikeatvillage> bioterror: I was looking for a gui that would edit /etc/environment for me
[20:53] <bioterror> gilir, ^^ proxy case
[20:56] <gilir> bioterror, lxproxy in the Lubuntu PPA ?
[20:56] <mikeatvillage> bioterror: PPA ?
[21:01] <bioterror> gilir, is that going to be moved to official repos too?
[21:01] <gilir> bioterror, it's not planned in the short term
[21:06] <Keutelgebakje> noob question: can I install lubuntu without losing everything here on my windows drive? I only have one partition, so can I make an etx4 partiton for lubuntu without having to format everything?
[21:06] <bioterror> sure
[21:06] <bioterror> there's option "install side-by-side"
[21:07] <Keutelgebakje> really? when booting from the installation cd?
[21:07] <Keutelgebakje> and all my data will be safe?
[21:07] <bioterror> yes
[21:07] <bioterror> yes
[21:07] <Keutelgebakje> thank you, that's what I needed to know:)
[21:08] <bioterror> I can dig you a screenshot .D
[21:08] <mikeatvillage> I did a 'side-by-side' last week and it all worked perfectly
[21:08] <Keutelgebakje> well I used to have linux mint before this and I know mint could do that too somehow, but I've never tried it :P
[21:09] <bioterror> http://lh6.googleusercontent.com/_1QSDkzYY2vc/TWzh8Z786xI/AAAAAAAADNw/8lXqgCMgicY/ubuntu11.04-installer.png
[21:09] <kosaidpo> hello people ; ]
[21:10] <Keutelgebakje> it says there "alongside an exsisting copy of Ubuntu", but same goes for windows I understand?
[21:11] <bioterror> yes
[21:11] <Keutelgebakje> awesome
[21:11] <bioterror> that shot was to demonstrate that you can even upgrade your existing installation with new ubiquity
[21:11] <Keutelgebakje> allright :D
[21:12] <Keutelgebakje> well I'm curious about lubuntu, looks quite good. I used to have mint 9, worked like a charm, but when I updated to 10 all hell broke loose haha
[21:12] <bioterror> sure
[21:13] <bioterror> mint is not designed to be upgraded from working installation
[21:13] <bioterror> they like to have a fresh new installation
[21:13] <bioterror> that's why they have made those backup softwares :D
[21:14] <twizta> lubuntu works great on my old aspire one.
[21:15] <Keutelgebakje> well, we shall see, thanks for your help everyone :)
[21:15] <Keutelgebakje> time to install, bye
[21:15] <mikeatvillage> gilir: I've found the lubuntu-control-center and downloaded it but get a dependency error "python < 2.7  :-(
[21:16] <mikeatvillage> gilir: and all the pages I google for lkproxy do not seem to have a download :-((
[21:26] <kosaidpo> mikeatvillage: update ur python then
[21:27] <mikeatvillage> According to Synaptic I have python 2.7.1.0
[21:36] <kosaidpo> mikeatvillage: but pythin now its at v 3 :D
[21:36] <kosaidpo> python.org
[21:37] <mikeatvillage> Thanks, I'll go there and see what I can do :-)
[21:41] <kosaidpo> mikeatvillage: : ]
[21:49] <gomiboy> pay attention that they changed apis with python 3... not all programs written with python <2.7 will work... just saying :3
[21:50] <mikeatvillage> Oh...
[21:51] <mikeatvillage> I've installed 3.2 now ...
[21:55] <mikeatvillage> Ah, still getting the dependency error even now I have python 3.2 :-(
[22:26] <bonny> how do i install java it says it has no installation candidate
[22:27] <MrChrisDruif> bonny; Search for java in synaptic
[22:31] <bonny> ok
[22:31] <bonny> i need jdk to run minecraft
[22:32] <MrChrisDruif> jdk? Not jre?
[22:32] <bonny> i have jre
[22:32] <bonny> have u used minecraft before
[22:34] <MrChrisDruif> Nope, but jre = Java Runtime Environment, that why I thought you'd needed that
[22:36] <bonny> but i think i have java
[22:37] <bonny> runtime environment
[22:37] <bonny> i only need to know how to sart up minecraft cuz it needs java it works online but online wheneer i click it opens the menu thats why im installing the non browser version
[22:38] <bonny> but i extracted the file and i dont no how to open it with java
[22:39] <bonny> on internet section i have : sun java 6 web start
[22:39] <bonny> on  preferences i have: open jdk java 6 policy tool
[22:39] <bonny> and sun java 6 plugin control panel and sun java 6 policy tool
[22:40] <gomiboy> bonny: if it's a .jar you have to write in a terminal: java -jar filename
[22:40] <bonny> ok
[22:41] <bonny> bonny@bonny-desktop:~$ java -jar minecraft.jar
[22:41] <bonny> Unable to access jarfile minecraft.jar
[22:41] <bonny> bonny@bonny-desktop:~$
[22:41] <bonny> its says unable to access
[22:42] <gomiboy> you have it on your home dir?
[22:42] <bonny> wat is dir?
[22:42] <bonny> u mean computer
[22:42] <bonny> ya i have it on my home computer
[22:43] <gomiboy> bonny: your home directory (dir) is where all your files resides
[22:43] <bonny> so.... yep so any other ideas mrchrisdruif
[22:43] <bonny> i have it on my desktop
[22:44] <bonny> /home/bonny/Desktop thats where i have it
[22:44] <gomiboy> then "cd Desktop" before executing java -jar
[22:44] <MrChrisDruif> gomiboy; Thanks
[22:44] <bonny> how do i do that just type cd desktop ?
[22:45] <gomiboy> MrChrisDruif: for what? :P
[22:45] <bonny> on terminal?
[22:45] <MrChrisDruif> bonny; Yup
[22:45] <MrChrisDruif> cd ~/Desktop
[22:45] <bonny> oh ok
[22:45] <gomiboy> bonny: commands are case sensitive... as MrChrisDruif says :D
[22:46] <bonny> it still says unable to acces
[22:46] <bonny> thats why it makes me think if i have java jdk
[22:47] <bonny> i have it as a executable file too
[22:47] <gomiboy> ok, type "ls -l" and paste here the line with your .jar
[22:48] <MrChrisDruif> Or post the entire outcome on paste.ubuntu.com
[22:48] <bonny> ok its cool i got it too work
[22:49] <bonny> i type java then i did java -jar minecraft
[22:51] <bonny> tthanks guys
[22:51] <bonny> gomiboy and mr chrisdruif thanks its been days since i tried to open this thing lol thanks :)
[22:58] <MrChrisDruif> Your welcome