[01:26] <chotaz> Is any version of oneiric released for testing yet?
[01:32] <kavurt> chotaz: not yet
[01:32] <jbicha> chotaz: Alpha 1 will be 2 June https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricReleaseSchedule
[05:30] <donnie> When will daily images be available?
[05:35] <IdleOne> !schedule
[05:58] <donnie> Thanks. Sorry for the noob question. Are ISOs provided starting Alpha-1?
[06:11] <IdleOne> donnie: correct
[06:11] <donnie> IdleOne Thanks
[06:11] <IdleOne> no problem
[13:03] <elv> hi how to fix udev bug?
[13:04] <elv> anyone has /runudev not writable?
[13:04] <elv> sorry /run/udev not writable
[13:04] <pfifo> you mean /var/run/udev
[13:04] <elv> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1760626
[13:04] <elv> http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org/msg896259.html
[13:05] <elv> donno how to fix
[13:05] <elv> my keyboard is not recognised
[13:06] <elv> i cannot login
[13:06] <elv> no one has the same problem?
[13:10] <pfifo> It says its a problem with the initramfs, maybe try rebuilding it, and if that doesnt work then use an older one
[13:13] <elv> pfifo: i manage to boot but i have a frozen gdm. removing mouse and then pluggin it in works but i cannot do the same for the keybord 'cause i'm on a laptop
[13:14] <elv> pfifo: suggestion?
[13:14] <pfifo> chroot in
[13:16] <elv> and the rebuilding initramfs?
[13:16] <elv> *then
[13:22] <jbicha> mvo: hi, you wanted me to remind you about possibly bypassing the NM check in update-manager
[13:23] <jbicha> http://projects.gnome.org/NetworkManager/developers/migrating-to-09/spec.html#type-NM_DEVICE_STATE
[13:25] <elv> what is the command to rebuild initrams?
[13:35] <elv> i don't think rebuildng udev could be a solution: http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=365679
[13:35] <elv> ideas based on that bug?
[13:36] <elv> removing /run directory?
[13:37] <elv> pfifo: ?
[13:38] <elv> please guys...
[13:39] <Pici> Bugs should be expected when running Oneiric, especially at pre-alpha status.
[13:40] <pfifo> morning Pici
[13:43] <elv> Pici: yep but solving them is also expected
[13:43] <popey> doesn't mean someone here knows how to solve that issue
[13:48] <elv> rebuilding initramfs doesn't work
[14:02] <elv> BINGO! removing /run worked!
[18:10] <IdleOne> 113 packages upgraded, 14 newly installed, 1 to remove and 1 not upgraded.
[18:10] <IdleOne> This should be fun
[18:10]  * IdleOne jumps in
[18:11] <anadon> hey, is there any way to run the windows kernel within linux without a VM?
[18:11] <patdk-wk> wine :)
[18:17] <anadon> wine is not the windows kernel
[18:19] <patdk-wk> wine is a windows kernel emu
[18:20] <anadon> no...wine stands for Wine IS Not an Emulator
[18:21] <anadon> it's a set of libraries and a few scripts written for linux to imitate the windows environment
[18:26] <IdleOne> anadon: I guess the answer to your question is no
[18:27] <IdleOne> time to reboot this update
[18:34] <IdleOne> Unity is broken.
[18:34] <IdleOne> classic no effects boots fine (ugly theme)
[18:58] <anadon> atleast that theme works!  Unity is clunky and buggy.
[20:14] <UndiFineD> please help the ubuntu advertisement team by spreading this url and filling this anonymous survey, I am aiming for 12.000 responses: http://bit.ly/lZk5xw
[20:16] <jimmyxu> Hey anyone got his GNOME theme screwed up after an upgrade?
[20:17] <jtaylor> < 2
[20:21] <jimmyxu> jtaylor: any hint?
[20:21] <jtaylor> no
[20:21] <jtaylor> maybe wait a while and then reset the desktop
[20:21] <jimmyxu> :(
[20:22] <jimmyxu> seems everything is working, except it's *ugly*
[20:22] <dsathe> jimmyxu:
[20:22] <dsathe> u referin to gnome 3
[20:22] <dsathe> ??
[20:22] <dsathe> related issue
[20:22] <jimmyxu> dsathe: nope, classic
[20:22] <dsathe> ??
[20:22] <dsathe> classic after gnome 3 ?
[20:22] <jimmyxu> dsathe: still gnome 2
[20:23] <dsathe> wat happnd ?
[20:23] <jimmyxu> dsathe: upgraded, rebooted, something wrong w/ the theme
[20:23] <dsathe> wat dist ?
[20:23] <dsathe> 11.10
[20:23] <jimmyxu> oneiric
[20:23] <dsathe> 11.04
[20:23] <jimmyxu> yup
[20:23] <dsathe> it has gnome3 stack
[20:24] <dsathe> u need to set stuff in dconf
[20:24] <dsathe> or get gnome tweak tool
[20:24] <jimmyxu> well... any hint or keywords?
[20:24] <dsathe> yep get dconf-tools
[20:24] <dsathe> open dconf-editor
[20:24] <dsathe> set the theme
[20:24] <dsathe> on deviant art look for gtk3 themes
[20:24] <dsathe> ambiance,atolm adwaita
[20:25] <dsathe> all work fully
[20:25] <dsathe> put those
[20:25] <jimmyxu> dsathe: should install that? btw i don't want to switch to GNOME 3 by now..
[20:25] <dsathe> set icons etc
[20:25] <dsathe> u hav gnome 3 stack if u r on oneric
[20:25] <dsathe> the packages are trickelin into it with every update
[20:25] <jimmyxu> any means to stay on oneiric but do some downgrade? I don't mind removing ubuntu-desktop
[20:25] <dsathe> hmm
[20:26] <dsathe> dunno
[20:26] <dsathe> i doubt
[20:26] <dsathe> use natty then
[20:26] <dsathe> that is oneric ddowngraded
[20:26] <dsathe> why r u on oneric if u want gnome 2 ?
[20:26] <jimmyxu> :( well _everything_ is downgraded then
[20:26] <dsathe> ne specific purpose ?
[20:26] <Pici> UndiFineD: Do you have a moment for a pm?
[20:26] <jimmyxu> dsathe: i just want everything but the desktop to stay new
[20:27] <dsathe> wat everything ?
[20:27] <dsathe> oneric is like aa month old only
[20:27] <dsathe> use specific ppa if u need those pkgs updated
[20:27] <jimmyxu> dsathe: btw, gnome-appearance-properties displays itself correctly
[20:27] <dsathe> i kno
[20:27] <dsathe> but those are no longer obeyed
[20:27] <dsathe> gconf migrated to dconf
[20:28] <dsathe> see all the new apps u waant are now based on the gnome 3 satck u cannont not have them and hav gnome 2
[20:28]  * jimmyxu starting to get it...
[20:28] <dsathe> gnome stack is much much more then gtk (what u get to see)
[20:29] <dsathe> all backends aud vid tc adevices use a newer stack
[20:29] <dsathe> natty is new enough
[20:29] <dsathe> ;)
[20:30] <jimmyxu> yea i do see a lot of 2.xx->3.0
[20:30] <dsathe> :)
[20:30] <dsathe> as i said
[20:30] <jimmyxu> so the classic would be screwed in oneiric release?
[20:30] <dsathe> install gnome tweak tool
[20:30] <dsathe> jimmy i guess
[20:30] <dsathe> not completely
[20:31] <dsathe> unless canonical/ubuntu port gnome panel to gnome3 stack
[20:31] <dsathe> unity works gr8 on gnome 3
[20:31] <dsathe> stack
[20:31] <dsathe> and i guess u can us gnome 3 without the shell
[20:31] <dsathe> google a luil
[20:31] <dsathe> lil
[20:31] <cebalrai> Shouldn't gnome-shell be moving into the repos?
[20:31] <dsathe> yep
[20:31] <dsathe> should
[20:32] <dsathe> it is more stable then unity afaik
[20:32] <jimmyxu> dsathe: GLib-GIO-ERROR **: Settings schema 'org.gnome.shell.clock' is not installed  // means i need `gnome-shell'?
[20:32] <dsathe> u missin a file
[20:32] <dsathe> add the gnome3 ppa
[20:32] <dsathe> (assumeing u hav used oneric
[20:33] <jimmyxu> dsathe: gnome3-team/gnome3 right?
[20:33] <dsathe> and not compiled it
[20:33] <dsathe> yep
[20:33] <jimmyxu> yea that ppa only compiles natty
[20:33] <dsathe> no oneric ?
[20:33] <dsathe> O.o
[20:33] <jimmyxu> dsathe: nah
[20:33] <dsathe> hmmm
[20:34] <cebalrai> I'm running gnome3 on arch, but it is unstable using both nouvea/nvidia
[20:34] <dsathe> i am on natty due to production req
[20:34] <dsathe> cebalrai:
[20:34] <dsathe> i used gnome3 on arc wor months
[20:34] <dsathe> v.v.stable
[20:34] <cebalrai> its not a gnome3 problem, it also freezes using kde.
[20:34] <dsathe> got so used to it so use the ppa in natty
[20:34]  * jimmyxu <-- just want a mean to get things done w/o that shell or unity stuffs
[20:35] <cebalrai> gnome-shell itself is quite stable
[20:35] <dsathe> cebalrai: nvidia ?
[20:35] <cebalrai> yep
[20:35] <dsathe> wat model ?
[20:35] <dsathe> gfx card ?
[20:35] <cebalrai> quadro 140M/8400GS
[20:35] <dsathe> wat driver u usin in arh
[20:35] <dsathe> the nvidia one >
[20:35] <cebalrai> I used both
[20:35] <dsathe> and wat xorg /
[20:35] <dsathe> i am askin driver ver ?
[20:36] <cebalrai> let me chroot and check real quick
[20:36] <dsathe> arch unstable gnome and unstable enable
[20:36] <dsathe> giv v stable gnome3 exp
[20:36] <dsathe> i dumped arch 2 weeks ago
[20:36] <dsathe> once i cud get 3 on ubuntu
[20:36] <dsathe> i dunno if it went into the main repo
[20:37] <dsathe> last known was in testing and gnome-unstable
[20:37] <cebalrai> nvidia is: 270.41.06-1
[20:37] <dsathe> i am on ubuntu gnome3 shell
[20:37] <cebalrai> they moved gnome3 into stable around May 1st
[20:37] <dsathe> wait
[20:37] <dsathe> kk
[20:38] <dsathe> wait ill see me driver ver
[20:38] <dsathe> afaik its nvid current in natty
[20:38] <jimmyxu> 270.41.06-0ubuntu1 here
[20:38] <dsathe> ii was using a custom kernel / bfq/ck with a highr nvid from aur
[20:38] <dsathe> no issues then
[20:38] <dsathe> unless u fiidddle with extensions
[20:39] <dsathe> like a few tht cause it to crash
[20:39] <cebalrai> i was just running stock arch kernel, no extensions.
[20:39] <dsathe> stock also worked
[20:39] <cebalrai> Weird part, it also happens using nouveau
[20:39] <dsathe> have you conf ur xconf.org properly
[20:40] <dsathe> wat does lspci say ?
[20:40] <dsathe> install nvi from testing
[20:40] <dsathe> see if it hasa anewer ver
[20:40] <dsathe> do u hav ne logs ?
[20:40] <cebalrai> xconf, etc. is all configured correctly
[20:41] <dsathe> system fully updated nah ?
[20:41] <cebalrai> yup yup
[20:41] <dsathe> O.o
[20:41] <dsathe> ne logs ?
[20:41] <guntbert> reading this conversation is quite hard - abbreviations (u, ne,...) and so many <enters> ....
[20:41] <cebalrai> haven't gotten around to checking, might as well have a look at them right now
[20:42] <dsathe> guntbert: sorry
[20:42] <rww> guntbert: you just beat me to saying that :)
[20:42] <guntbert> :)
[20:42] <dsathe> i will make my conversations more complete soo soo sorry
[20:42] <jimmyxu> give me a hint: gnome-shell is a WM?
[20:42] <dsathe> yes
[20:43] <cebalrai> ah cool, I actually found it
[20:43] <cebalrai> or something at least
[20:43] <jimmyxu> why libpurple still depends on perl 5.10......= =
[20:43] <cebalrai> http://pastebin.com/5JNHzD58
[20:44] <jimmyxu> dsathe: so is it possible to run metacity on a gnome 3?
[20:44] <cebalrai> That was running nouveau
[20:44] <dsathe> not sure .. atm are you using noveau or nvidia module >
[20:45] <dsathe> jimmyxu: not sure
[20:45] <zniavre> with compiz ?
[20:45] <cebalrai> jimmyxu: I believe gnome-shell fallback still uses metacity? gnome-shell itself uses mutter
[20:46] <dsathe> jimmyxu: there is i guess a gnome 3 version of metacity coz i have heard of gnome 3 without shell
[20:46] <dsathe> zniavre: yess definitly what you will see in 11.10
[20:46] <dsathe> using unity
[20:46] <jimmyxu> not seeing metacity being upgraded though
[20:46] <dsathe> :D
[20:46] <cebalrai> might be some kind of mutter fallback then
[20:47] <dsathe> compiz with gnome 3 umm for all people lookin for classic exp what you can dois run unity , and turn of the unity plugin that way what you have is classic with compiz
[20:47] <dsathe> and gnome3
[20:48] <jimmyxu> tired of compiz crashing all the time so fallbacked to metacity a long time before... gotta give it another try
[20:48] <dsathe> jimmyxu:
[20:49] <cebalrai> I'm note alone with my problems: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=935429
[20:49] <dsathe> there was an issue during natty devel that compi kept crashing because it defaulted to ini (file backend) rather than gconf
[20:49] <dsathe> set that to gconf and reset all  your prefs
[20:49] <dsathe> much more stable
[20:50] <cebalrai> i was actually curious to see if this would also happen under oneiric
[20:50] <dsathe> natty gnome3 all well
[20:50] <dsathe> try reinstalling the nvidia driver
[20:51] <dsathe> and xorg
[20:51] <dsathe> blacklist noveau
[20:51] <cebalrai> didn't try gnome3 under natty. natty is/was running fine. now i upgraded it to oneiric for fun
[20:51] <cebalrai> as I said, I tried both nouveau and nvidia. Problem happens with both.
[20:51] <dsathe> kk
[20:51] <dsathe> no idea
[20:52] <dsathe> cant do tht as of now
[20:52] <cebalrai> I was just curious if someone here has run into that
[20:52] <dsathe> :(
[20:52] <dsathe> wish i could jump onto 11.10
[20:52] <dsathe> :D
[20:52] <jimmyxu> cebalrai: works for me here
[20:52] <dsathe> generally wait for alpha1
[20:52] <dsathe> atleast get the feature freaze
[20:53] <jbicha> dsathe: that's a good idea, only part of gnome 3 is in oneiric so far anyway
[20:53] <dsathe> then play coz rite now tooo volatile
[20:53] <cebalrai> I usually switch a couple of weeks after the repositories are open. even on production systems, just for the fun of it
[20:53] <dsathe> same her
[20:53] <dsathe> i wait till alpha1
[20:53] <dsathe> if major known bbug
[20:53] <cebalrai> i have other partitions I can boot, should the need arise.
[20:53] <dsathe> i wait till its sorted
[20:53] <dsathe> all thru i had arch to do tht
[20:53] <dsathe> ;D
[20:54] <cebalrai> yeah right now i got oneiric, arch and win7 :-D
[20:54] <dsathe> if u want to go oneric for gnome 3 i think natty + ppa better
[20:54] <cebalrai> nah i wanted oneiric out of curiosity
[20:54] <dsathe> coz in oneric too many libs xorg libc etc will change cause too many breakages
[20:54] <dsathe> or wait till alpa 1/2
[20:55] <cebalrai> its usually easy enough to avoid x breakages if you pay attention to what you are actually doing during upgrades
[20:55] <dsathe> will wait till aug wen proj gets over will claean up hdd and put back arch , 11.10 and win8
[20:56] <dsathe> bfore u pounce on me win8 exclusivly for engg sw / gaming
[20:56] <dsathe> :D
[20:57] <jimmyxu> well it's quite hilarious to see such an ancient theme... after staring at the screen for some while
[20:57] <cebalrai> i need win7 almost exclusively for raw photography, starcraft2, office *shudder*
[20:57] <dsathe> jimmyxu: use atolm
[20:57] <guntbert> dsathe: please slow down on the keyboard a little - I'm good with english but "all thru i had arch to do tht" is nearly impossible for me
[20:58] <jimmyxu> dsathe: would give that a shot after (hopefully) theme starts to work again
[20:58] <dsathe> jimmyxu: it does :/ use adwaita or atolm
[20:59] <dsathe> they have been ported to gtk3, use dconf to set them or gnome-tweak-tool
[20:59] <dsathe> i am using it currently
[20:59] <jimmyxu> gnome-tweak-tool crashes w/ that shell.clock error
[21:00] <dsathe> use dconf
[21:00] <jbicha> jimmyxu: gnome-tweak-tool depends on gnome-shell but that's not listed in the control file
[21:00] <jimmyxu> dsathe: gotta do the ppa upgrade first :)
[21:00] <dsathe> what you can do is this :
[21:01] <dsathe> install dconf-tools ,> runf-dconf-editor
[21:01] <dsathe> go to > org>gnome>desktop>interface
[21:01] <dsathe> set al the threads to as you like thats how i did it before tweak tool came around
[21:02] <dsathe> btw did an dist-upgrade with the ppa like 30 min ago no issue here
[21:02] <jimmyxu> dsathe: marked, restarting gdm
[21:03] <dsathe> dconf-editor is like gconf-editor ,  infact easier to use and restore in case you goof up
[21:03] <jbicha> dsathe: there's plenty of bugs in oneiric now
[21:04] <dsathe> expected ;)
[21:04] <dsathe> have to be, always are its started like a week or 2 ago
[21:15] <jimmyxu> dsathe: started w/ Ubuntu GNOME Shell (whatever it's named), and it shows nothing. ran a gnome-terminal from tty2 and started metacity and gnome-panel.. now it seems working
[21:15] <jimmyxu> dsathe: except right-clicking on desktop doesn't respond.
[21:15] <dsathe> hmm
[21:16] <cebalrai> should I upgrade my vserver to oneiric? :-D
[21:17] <dsathe> wait till alpha1/2
[21:17] <cebalrai> im keeping it on natty till rc as usual
[21:17] <dsathe> best switch is alpha2
[21:18] <cebalrai> on a server ^^?
[21:18] <dsathe> rc is good to to avoid rush and u dont want the bugs at all
[21:18] <cebalrai> its not mission critical, but i would rather have it running
[21:18] <dsathe> wait then till rc
[21:19] <jimmyxu> dsathe: didn't see a fallback mode in gdm... where are these conf files again?
[21:19] <dsathe> fallback to what ?
[21:20] <dsathe> the conf fils i was referin to were to do with theming gtk3
[21:20] <jimmyxu> dsathe: eg. start metacity and gnome-panel from gdb, instead of shell
[21:20] <jimmyxu> s/gdb/gdm/
[21:21] <dsathe> lemme see brb trying out gnome3 without shell ;) need to log off gimme a bit o time
[21:27] <dsathe> yep it works
[21:27] <dsathe> classiv
[21:27] <dsathe> though i hav mashup of 2&3
[21:29] <jimmyxu> dsathe: where did you find that classic
[21:29] <dsathe> in gdm
[21:29] <dsathe> gnome-classic
[21:29] <dsathe> sorry ubuntu classic and ubuntu-classic no effects
[21:29] <jimmyxu> gonna try
[21:30] <dsathe> is gnome 2.32 of natty but all my 2.32 libs are now 3.0.1 so as i said a mashup
[21:31] <jimmyxu> no such thing here :(
[21:35] <jimmyxu> dsathe: and gdmsetup stops working
[21:36] <dsathe> :9
[21:36] <dsathe> oneiric :D
[21:36] <dsathe> wait a bit more i guess
[21:36] <jimmyxu> where did gdm put those session config?
[21:37] <jimmyxu> looked inside /etc/gdm and found nothing
[21:40] <jimmyxu> dsathe: oh... got it
[21:40] <jimmyxu> dsathe: can you paste your /usr/share/xsessions/? thx
[21:41] <dsathe> one sec
[21:41] <dsathe> umm its a folder O.o
[21:42] <jimmyxu> dsathe: yup... just find something _classic_
[21:42] <dsathe> ya se 2 of them
[21:42] <dsathe> cant open them tho
[21:42] <jimmyxu> not text? o.O
[21:43] <dsathe> aah now when i see it throuh a terminal i see all the files as .desktop
[21:44] <dsathe> wait will send you the text
[21:44] <jimmyxu> dsathe: thx
[21:44] <dsathe>  pm or pastebin ?
[21:44] <jimmyxu> dsathe: pastebin
[21:44] <jimmyxu> easier to copy IMO
[21:47] <jimmyxu> dsathe: oh and /usr/share/gnome-session/sessions/, maybe something w/ a classic or fallback in its name
[21:48] <dsathe> one sec
[21:48] <dsathe> giving a detailed post gimme a few min
[21:48] <jimmyxu> will do :)
[21:48] <dsathe> http://pastebin.com/xaCbd4Vp
[21:50] <dsathe> coming through with the gnome-session ones in a bit
[21:51] <jimmyxu> okay i think i start to get it
[21:51] <jimmyxu> somehow `gnome-session-fallback' has been left uninstalled...
[21:51] <jimmyxu> gonna relogin
[21:54] <jimmyxu> dsathe: ah it's finally working :)
[21:56] <dsathe> http://pastebin.com/FZsgjtLE
[21:56] <dsathe> this might be more usefull too
[22:06] <jbicha> nah, you likely don't need to edit the sessions manually
[22:07] <jimmyxu> jbicha: yea from the paste i found out i missed a pkg..
[22:07] <jbicha> gnome-session-fallback is what you need
[22:08] <jimmyxu> yup exactly
[22:09] <dsathe> :D glad i could help
[22:09] <jbicha> if you want another way to break your computer, I have gnome-panel 3 in my PPA
[22:09] <dsathe> good nite , its 3am *yawn*
[22:10] <jimmyxu> 5am here :) night dsathe
[22:10] <dsathe> wher u based >
[22:10] <dsathe> ?
[22:10] <jimmyxu> dsathe: chn
[22:10] <dsathe> kk
[22:10] <dsathe> mumbai here ;)