chotaz | Is any version of oneiric released for testing yet? | 01:26 |
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kavurt | chotaz: not yet | 01:32 |
jbicha | chotaz: Alpha 1 will be 2 June https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricReleaseSchedule | 01:32 |
donnie | When will daily images be available? | 05:30 |
IdleOne | !schedule | 05:35 |
ubottu | A schedule of Oneiric Ocelot (11.10) release milestones can be found here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricReleaseSchedule | 05:35 |
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donnie | Thanks. Sorry for the noob question. Are ISOs provided starting Alpha-1? | 05:58 |
IdleOne | donnie: correct | 06:11 |
donnie | IdleOne Thanks | 06:11 |
IdleOne | no problem | 06:11 |
elv | hi how to fix udev bug? | 13:03 |
elv | anyone has /runudev not writable? | 13:04 |
elv | sorry /run/udev not writable | 13:04 |
pfifo | you mean /var/run/udev | 13:04 |
elv | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1760626 | 13:04 |
elv | http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org/msg896259.html | 13:04 |
elv | donno how to fix | 13:05 |
elv | my keyboard is not recognised | 13:05 |
elv | i cannot login | 13:06 |
elv | no one has the same problem? | 13:06 |
pfifo | It says its a problem with the initramfs, maybe try rebuilding it, and if that doesnt work then use an older one | 13:10 |
elv | pfifo: i manage to boot but i have a frozen gdm. removing mouse and then pluggin it in works but i cannot do the same for the keybord 'cause i'm on a laptop | 13:13 |
elv | pfifo: suggestion? | 13:14 |
pfifo | chroot in | 13:14 |
elv | and the rebuilding initramfs? | 13:16 |
elv | *then | 13:16 |
jbicha | mvo: hi, you wanted me to remind you about possibly bypassing the NM check in update-manager | 13:22 |
jbicha | http://projects.gnome.org/NetworkManager/developers/migrating-to-09/spec.html#type-NM_DEVICE_STATE | 13:23 |
elv | what is the command to rebuild initrams? | 13:25 |
elv | i don't think rebuildng udev could be a solution: http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=365679 | 13:35 |
ubottu | bugs.gentoo.org bug 365679 in Core system "sys-fs/udev-168-r1 - udevd: error: runtime directory '/run/udev' not writable, for now falling back to '/dev/.udev'" [Major,Confirmed: ] | 13:35 |
elv | ideas based on that bug? | 13:35 |
elv | removing /run directory? | 13:36 |
elv | pfifo: ? | 13:37 |
elv | please guys... | 13:38 |
Pici | Bugs should be expected when running Oneiric, especially at pre-alpha status. | 13:39 |
pfifo | morning Pici | 13:40 |
elv | Pici: yep but solving them is also expected | 13:43 |
popey | doesn't mean someone here knows how to solve that issue | 13:43 |
elv | rebuilding initramfs doesn't work | 13:48 |
elv | BINGO! removing /run worked! | 14:02 |
IdleOne | 113 packages upgraded, 14 newly installed, 1 to remove and 1 not upgraded. | 18:10 |
IdleOne | This should be fun | 18:10 |
* IdleOne jumps in | 18:10 | |
anadon | hey, is there any way to run the windows kernel within linux without a VM? | 18:11 |
patdk-wk | wine :) | 18:11 |
anadon | wine is not the windows kernel | 18:17 |
patdk-wk | wine is a windows kernel emu | 18:19 |
anadon | no...wine stands for Wine IS Not an Emulator | 18:20 |
anadon | it's a set of libraries and a few scripts written for linux to imitate the windows environment | 18:21 |
IdleOne | anadon: I guess the answer to your question is no | 18:26 |
IdleOne | time to reboot this update | 18:27 |
IdleOne | Unity is broken. | 18:34 |
IdleOne | classic no effects boots fine (ugly theme) | 18:34 |
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anadon | atleast that theme works! Unity is clunky and buggy. | 18:58 |
UndiFineD | please help the ubuntu advertisement team by spreading this url and filling this anonymous survey, I am aiming for 12.000 responses: http://bit.ly/lZk5xw | 20:14 |
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jimmyxu | Hey anyone got his GNOME theme screwed up after an upgrade? | 20:16 |
jtaylor | < 2 | 20:17 |
jimmyxu | jtaylor: any hint? | 20:21 |
jtaylor | no | 20:21 |
jtaylor | maybe wait a while and then reset the desktop | 20:21 |
jimmyxu | :( | 20:21 |
jimmyxu | seems everything is working, except it's *ugly* | 20:22 |
dsathe | jimmyxu: | 20:22 |
dsathe | u referin to gnome 3 | 20:22 |
dsathe | ?? | 20:22 |
dsathe | related issue | 20:22 |
jimmyxu | dsathe: nope, classic | 20:22 |
dsathe | ?? | 20:22 |
dsathe | classic after gnome 3 ? | 20:22 |
jimmyxu | dsathe: still gnome 2 | 20:22 |
dsathe | wat happnd ? | 20:23 |
jimmyxu | dsathe: upgraded, rebooted, something wrong w/ the theme | 20:23 |
dsathe | wat dist ? | 20:23 |
dsathe | 11.10 | 20:23 |
jimmyxu | oneiric | 20:23 |
dsathe | 11.04 | 20:23 |
jimmyxu | yup | 20:23 |
dsathe | it has gnome3 stack | 20:23 |
dsathe | u need to set stuff in dconf | 20:24 |
dsathe | or get gnome tweak tool | 20:24 |
jimmyxu | well... any hint or keywords? | 20:24 |
dsathe | yep get dconf-tools | 20:24 |
dsathe | open dconf-editor | 20:24 |
dsathe | set the theme | 20:24 |
dsathe | on deviant art look for gtk3 themes | 20:24 |
dsathe | ambiance,atolm adwaita | 20:24 |
dsathe | all work fully | 20:25 |
dsathe | put those | 20:25 |
jimmyxu | dsathe: should install that? btw i don't want to switch to GNOME 3 by now.. | 20:25 |
dsathe | set icons etc | 20:25 |
dsathe | u hav gnome 3 stack if u r on oneric | 20:25 |
dsathe | the packages are trickelin into it with every update | 20:25 |
jimmyxu | any means to stay on oneiric but do some downgrade? I don't mind removing ubuntu-desktop | 20:25 |
dsathe | hmm | 20:25 |
dsathe | dunno | 20:26 |
dsathe | i doubt | 20:26 |
dsathe | use natty then | 20:26 |
dsathe | that is oneric ddowngraded | 20:26 |
dsathe | why r u on oneric if u want gnome 2 ? | 20:26 |
jimmyxu | :( well _everything_ is downgraded then | 20:26 |
dsathe | ne specific purpose ? | 20:26 |
Pici | UndiFineD: Do you have a moment for a pm? | 20:26 |
jimmyxu | dsathe: i just want everything but the desktop to stay new | 20:26 |
dsathe | wat everything ? | 20:27 |
dsathe | oneric is like aa month old only | 20:27 |
dsathe | use specific ppa if u need those pkgs updated | 20:27 |
jimmyxu | dsathe: btw, gnome-appearance-properties displays itself correctly | 20:27 |
dsathe | i kno | 20:27 |
dsathe | but those are no longer obeyed | 20:27 |
dsathe | gconf migrated to dconf | 20:27 |
dsathe | see all the new apps u waant are now based on the gnome 3 satck u cannont not have them and hav gnome 2 | 20:28 |
* jimmyxu starting to get it... | 20:28 | |
dsathe | gnome stack is much much more then gtk (what u get to see) | 20:28 |
dsathe | all backends aud vid tc adevices use a newer stack | 20:29 |
dsathe | natty is new enough | 20:29 |
dsathe | ;) | 20:29 |
jimmyxu | yea i do see a lot of 2.xx->3.0 | 20:30 |
dsathe | :) | 20:30 |
dsathe | as i said | 20:30 |
jimmyxu | so the classic would be screwed in oneiric release? | 20:30 |
dsathe | install gnome tweak tool | 20:30 |
dsathe | jimmy i guess | 20:30 |
dsathe | not completely | 20:30 |
dsathe | unless canonical/ubuntu port gnome panel to gnome3 stack | 20:31 |
dsathe | unity works gr8 on gnome 3 | 20:31 |
dsathe | stack | 20:31 |
dsathe | and i guess u can us gnome 3 without the shell | 20:31 |
dsathe | google a luil | 20:31 |
dsathe | lil | 20:31 |
cebalrai | Shouldn't gnome-shell be moving into the repos? | 20:31 |
dsathe | yep | 20:31 |
dsathe | should | 20:31 |
dsathe | it is more stable then unity afaik | 20:32 |
jimmyxu | dsathe: GLib-GIO-ERROR **: Settings schema 'org.gnome.shell.clock' is not installed // means i need `gnome-shell'? | 20:32 |
dsathe | u missin a file | 20:32 |
dsathe | add the gnome3 ppa | 20:32 |
dsathe | (assumeing u hav used oneric | 20:32 |
jimmyxu | dsathe: gnome3-team/gnome3 right? | 20:33 |
dsathe | and not compiled it | 20:33 |
dsathe | yep | 20:33 |
jimmyxu | yea that ppa only compiles natty | 20:33 |
dsathe | no oneric ? | 20:33 |
dsathe | O.o | 20:33 |
jimmyxu | dsathe: nah | 20:33 |
dsathe | hmmm | 20:33 |
cebalrai | I'm running gnome3 on arch, but it is unstable using both nouvea/nvidia | 20:34 |
dsathe | i am on natty due to production req | 20:34 |
dsathe | cebalrai: | 20:34 |
dsathe | i used gnome3 on arc wor months | 20:34 |
dsathe | v.v.stable | 20:34 |
cebalrai | its not a gnome3 problem, it also freezes using kde. | 20:34 |
dsathe | got so used to it so use the ppa in natty | 20:34 |
* jimmyxu <-- just want a mean to get things done w/o that shell or unity stuffs | 20:34 | |
cebalrai | gnome-shell itself is quite stable | 20:35 |
dsathe | cebalrai: nvidia ? | 20:35 |
cebalrai | yep | 20:35 |
dsathe | wat model ? | 20:35 |
dsathe | gfx card ? | 20:35 |
cebalrai | quadro 140M/8400GS | 20:35 |
dsathe | wat driver u usin in arh | 20:35 |
dsathe | the nvidia one > | 20:35 |
cebalrai | I used both | 20:35 |
dsathe | and wat xorg / | 20:35 |
dsathe | i am askin driver ver ? | 20:35 |
cebalrai | let me chroot and check real quick | 20:36 |
dsathe | arch unstable gnome and unstable enable | 20:36 |
dsathe | giv v stable gnome3 exp | 20:36 |
dsathe | i dumped arch 2 weeks ago | 20:36 |
dsathe | once i cud get 3 on ubuntu | 20:36 |
dsathe | i dunno if it went into the main repo | 20:36 |
dsathe | last known was in testing and gnome-unstable | 20:37 |
cebalrai | nvidia is: 270.41.06-1 | 20:37 |
dsathe | i am on ubuntu gnome3 shell | 20:37 |
cebalrai | they moved gnome3 into stable around May 1st | 20:37 |
dsathe | wait | 20:37 |
dsathe | kk | 20:37 |
dsathe | wait ill see me driver ver | 20:38 |
dsathe | afaik its nvid current in natty | 20:38 |
jimmyxu | 270.41.06-0ubuntu1 here | 20:38 |
dsathe | ii was using a custom kernel / bfq/ck with a highr nvid from aur | 20:38 |
dsathe | no issues then | 20:38 |
dsathe | unless u fiidddle with extensions | 20:38 |
dsathe | like a few tht cause it to crash | 20:39 |
cebalrai | i was just running stock arch kernel, no extensions. | 20:39 |
dsathe | stock also worked | 20:39 |
cebalrai | Weird part, it also happens using nouveau | 20:39 |
dsathe | have you conf ur xconf.org properly | 20:39 |
dsathe | wat does lspci say ? | 20:40 |
dsathe | install nvi from testing | 20:40 |
dsathe | see if it hasa anewer ver | 20:40 |
dsathe | do u hav ne logs ? | 20:40 |
cebalrai | xconf, etc. is all configured correctly | 20:40 |
dsathe | system fully updated nah ? | 20:41 |
cebalrai | yup yup | 20:41 |
dsathe | O.o | 20:41 |
dsathe | ne logs ? | 20:41 |
guntbert | reading this conversation is quite hard - abbreviations (u, ne,...) and so many <enters> .... | 20:41 |
cebalrai | haven't gotten around to checking, might as well have a look at them right now | 20:41 |
dsathe | guntbert: sorry | 20:42 |
rww | guntbert: you just beat me to saying that :) | 20:42 |
guntbert | :) | 20:42 |
dsathe | i will make my conversations more complete soo soo sorry | 20:42 |
jimmyxu | give me a hint: gnome-shell is a WM? | 20:42 |
dsathe | yes | 20:42 |
cebalrai | ah cool, I actually found it | 20:43 |
cebalrai | or something at least | 20:43 |
jimmyxu | why libpurple still depends on perl 5.10......= = | 20:43 |
cebalrai | http://pastebin.com/5JNHzD58 | 20:43 |
jimmyxu | dsathe: so is it possible to run metacity on a gnome 3? | 20:44 |
cebalrai | That was running nouveau | 20:44 |
dsathe | not sure .. atm are you using noveau or nvidia module > | 20:44 |
dsathe | jimmyxu: not sure | 20:45 |
zniavre | with compiz ? | 20:45 |
cebalrai | jimmyxu: I believe gnome-shell fallback still uses metacity? gnome-shell itself uses mutter | 20:45 |
dsathe | jimmyxu: there is i guess a gnome 3 version of metacity coz i have heard of gnome 3 without shell | 20:46 |
dsathe | zniavre: yess definitly what you will see in 11.10 | 20:46 |
dsathe | using unity | 20:46 |
jimmyxu | not seeing metacity being upgraded though | 20:46 |
dsathe | :D | 20:46 |
cebalrai | might be some kind of mutter fallback then | 20:46 |
dsathe | compiz with gnome 3 umm for all people lookin for classic exp what you can dois run unity , and turn of the unity plugin that way what you have is classic with compiz | 20:47 |
dsathe | and gnome3 | 20:47 |
jimmyxu | tired of compiz crashing all the time so fallbacked to metacity a long time before... gotta give it another try | 20:48 |
dsathe | jimmyxu: | 20:48 |
cebalrai | I'm note alone with my problems: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=935429 | 20:49 |
dsathe | there was an issue during natty devel that compi kept crashing because it defaulted to ini (file backend) rather than gconf | 20:49 |
dsathe | set that to gconf and reset all your prefs | 20:49 |
dsathe | much more stable | 20:49 |
cebalrai | i was actually curious to see if this would also happen under oneiric | 20:50 |
dsathe | natty gnome3 all well | 20:50 |
dsathe | try reinstalling the nvidia driver | 20:50 |
dsathe | and xorg | 20:51 |
dsathe | blacklist noveau | 20:51 |
cebalrai | didn't try gnome3 under natty. natty is/was running fine. now i upgraded it to oneiric for fun | 20:51 |
cebalrai | as I said, I tried both nouveau and nvidia. Problem happens with both. | 20:51 |
dsathe | kk | 20:51 |
dsathe | no idea | 20:51 |
dsathe | cant do tht as of now | 20:52 |
cebalrai | I was just curious if someone here has run into that | 20:52 |
dsathe | :( | 20:52 |
dsathe | wish i could jump onto 11.10 | 20:52 |
dsathe | :D | 20:52 |
jimmyxu | cebalrai: works for me here | 20:52 |
dsathe | generally wait for alpha1 | 20:52 |
dsathe | atleast get the feature freaze | 20:52 |
jbicha | dsathe: that's a good idea, only part of gnome 3 is in oneiric so far anyway | 20:53 |
dsathe | then play coz rite now tooo volatile | 20:53 |
cebalrai | I usually switch a couple of weeks after the repositories are open. even on production systems, just for the fun of it | 20:53 |
dsathe | same her | 20:53 |
dsathe | i wait till alpha1 | 20:53 |
dsathe | if major known bbug | 20:53 |
cebalrai | i have other partitions I can boot, should the need arise. | 20:53 |
dsathe | i wait till its sorted | 20:53 |
dsathe | all thru i had arch to do tht | 20:53 |
dsathe | ;D | 20:53 |
cebalrai | yeah right now i got oneiric, arch and win7 :-D | 20:54 |
dsathe | if u want to go oneric for gnome 3 i think natty + ppa better | 20:54 |
cebalrai | nah i wanted oneiric out of curiosity | 20:54 |
dsathe | coz in oneric too many libs xorg libc etc will change cause too many breakages | 20:54 |
dsathe | or wait till alpa 1/2 | 20:54 |
cebalrai | its usually easy enough to avoid x breakages if you pay attention to what you are actually doing during upgrades | 20:55 |
dsathe | will wait till aug wen proj gets over will claean up hdd and put back arch , 11.10 and win8 | 20:55 |
dsathe | bfore u pounce on me win8 exclusivly for engg sw / gaming | 20:56 |
dsathe | :D | 20:56 |
jimmyxu | well it's quite hilarious to see such an ancient theme... after staring at the screen for some while | 20:57 |
cebalrai | i need win7 almost exclusively for raw photography, starcraft2, office *shudder* | 20:57 |
dsathe | jimmyxu: use atolm | 20:57 |
guntbert | dsathe: please slow down on the keyboard a little - I'm good with english but "all thru i had arch to do tht" is nearly impossible for me | 20:57 |
jimmyxu | dsathe: would give that a shot after (hopefully) theme starts to work again | 20:58 |
dsathe | jimmyxu: it does :/ use adwaita or atolm | 20:58 |
dsathe | they have been ported to gtk3, use dconf to set them or gnome-tweak-tool | 20:59 |
dsathe | i am using it currently | 20:59 |
jimmyxu | gnome-tweak-tool crashes w/ that shell.clock error | 20:59 |
dsathe | use dconf | 21:00 |
jbicha | jimmyxu: gnome-tweak-tool depends on gnome-shell but that's not listed in the control file | 21:00 |
jimmyxu | dsathe: gotta do the ppa upgrade first :) | 21:00 |
dsathe | what you can do is this : | 21:00 |
dsathe | install dconf-tools ,> runf-dconf-editor | 21:01 |
dsathe | go to > org>gnome>desktop>interface | 21:01 |
dsathe | set al the threads to as you like thats how i did it before tweak tool came around | 21:01 |
dsathe | btw did an dist-upgrade with the ppa like 30 min ago no issue here | 21:02 |
jimmyxu | dsathe: marked, restarting gdm | 21:02 |
dsathe | dconf-editor is like gconf-editor , infact easier to use and restore in case you goof up | 21:03 |
jbicha | dsathe: there's plenty of bugs in oneiric now | 21:03 |
dsathe | expected ;) | 21:04 |
dsathe | have to be, always are its started like a week or 2 ago | 21:04 |
jimmyxu | dsathe: started w/ Ubuntu GNOME Shell (whatever it's named), and it shows nothing. ran a gnome-terminal from tty2 and started metacity and gnome-panel.. now it seems working | 21:15 |
jimmyxu | dsathe: except right-clicking on desktop doesn't respond. | 21:15 |
dsathe | hmm | 21:15 |
cebalrai | should I upgrade my vserver to oneiric? :-D | 21:16 |
dsathe | wait till alpha1/2 | 21:17 |
cebalrai | im keeping it on natty till rc as usual | 21:17 |
dsathe | best switch is alpha2 | 21:17 |
cebalrai | on a server ^^? | 21:18 |
dsathe | rc is good to to avoid rush and u dont want the bugs at all | 21:18 |
cebalrai | its not mission critical, but i would rather have it running | 21:18 |
dsathe | wait then till rc | 21:18 |
jimmyxu | dsathe: didn't see a fallback mode in gdm... where are these conf files again? | 21:19 |
dsathe | fallback to what ? | 21:19 |
dsathe | the conf fils i was referin to were to do with theming gtk3 | 21:20 |
jimmyxu | dsathe: eg. start metacity and gnome-panel from gdb, instead of shell | 21:20 |
jimmyxu | s/gdb/gdm/ | 21:20 |
dsathe | lemme see brb trying out gnome3 without shell ;) need to log off gimme a bit o time | 21:21 |
dsathe | yep it works | 21:27 |
dsathe | classiv | 21:27 |
dsathe | though i hav mashup of 2&3 | 21:27 |
jimmyxu | dsathe: where did you find that classic | 21:29 |
dsathe | in gdm | 21:29 |
dsathe | gnome-classic | 21:29 |
dsathe | sorry ubuntu classic and ubuntu-classic no effects | 21:29 |
jimmyxu | gonna try | 21:29 |
dsathe | is gnome 2.32 of natty but all my 2.32 libs are now 3.0.1 so as i said a mashup | 21:30 |
jimmyxu | no such thing here :( | 21:31 |
jimmyxu | dsathe: and gdmsetup stops working | 21:35 |
dsathe | :9 | 21:36 |
dsathe | oneiric :D | 21:36 |
dsathe | wait a bit more i guess | 21:36 |
jimmyxu | where did gdm put those session config? | 21:36 |
jimmyxu | looked inside /etc/gdm and found nothing | 21:37 |
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jimmyxu | dsathe: oh... got it | 21:40 |
jimmyxu | dsathe: can you paste your /usr/share/xsessions/? thx | 21:40 |
dsathe | one sec | 21:41 |
dsathe | umm its a folder O.o | 21:41 |
jimmyxu | dsathe: yup... just find something _classic_ | 21:42 |
dsathe | ya se 2 of them | 21:42 |
dsathe | cant open them tho | 21:42 |
jimmyxu | not text? o.O | 21:42 |
dsathe | aah now when i see it throuh a terminal i see all the files as .desktop | 21:43 |
dsathe | wait will send you the text | 21:44 |
jimmyxu | dsathe: thx | 21:44 |
dsathe | pm or pastebin ? | 21:44 |
jimmyxu | dsathe: pastebin | 21:44 |
jimmyxu | easier to copy IMO | 21:44 |
jimmyxu | dsathe: oh and /usr/share/gnome-session/sessions/, maybe something w/ a classic or fallback in its name | 21:47 |
dsathe | one sec | 21:48 |
dsathe | giving a detailed post gimme a few min | 21:48 |
jimmyxu | will do :) | 21:48 |
dsathe | http://pastebin.com/xaCbd4Vp | 21:48 |
dsathe | coming through with the gnome-session ones in a bit | 21:50 |
jimmyxu | okay i think i start to get it | 21:51 |
jimmyxu | somehow `gnome-session-fallback' has been left uninstalled... | 21:51 |
jimmyxu | gonna relogin | 21:51 |
jimmyxu | dsathe: ah it's finally working :) | 21:54 |
dsathe | http://pastebin.com/FZsgjtLE | 21:56 |
dsathe | this might be more usefull too | 21:56 |
jbicha | nah, you likely don't need to edit the sessions manually | 22:06 |
jimmyxu | jbicha: yea from the paste i found out i missed a pkg.. | 22:07 |
jbicha | gnome-session-fallback is what you need | 22:07 |
jimmyxu | yup exactly | 22:08 |
dsathe | :D glad i could help | 22:09 |
jbicha | if you want another way to break your computer, I have gnome-panel 3 in my PPA | 22:09 |
dsathe | good nite , its 3am *yawn* | 22:09 |
jimmyxu | 5am here :) night dsathe | 22:10 |
dsathe | wher u based > | 22:10 |
dsathe | ? | 22:10 |
jimmyxu | dsathe: chn | 22:10 |
dsathe | kk | 22:10 |
dsathe | mumbai here ;) | 22:10 |
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