[01:26] Is any version of oneiric released for testing yet? [01:32] chotaz: not yet [01:32] chotaz: Alpha 1 will be 2 June https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricReleaseSchedule [05:30] When will daily images be available? [05:35] !schedule [05:35] A schedule of Oneiric Ocelot (11.10) release milestones can be found here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricReleaseSchedule === bazhang_ is now known as bazhang [05:58] Thanks. Sorry for the noob question. Are ISOs provided starting Alpha-1? [06:11] donnie: correct [06:11] IdleOne Thanks [06:11] no problem [13:03] hi how to fix udev bug? [13:04] anyone has /runudev not writable? [13:04] sorry /run/udev not writable [13:04] you mean /var/run/udev [13:04] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1760626 [13:04] http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org/msg896259.html [13:05] donno how to fix [13:05] my keyboard is not recognised [13:06] i cannot login [13:06] no one has the same problem? [13:10] It says its a problem with the initramfs, maybe try rebuilding it, and if that doesnt work then use an older one [13:13] pfifo: i manage to boot but i have a frozen gdm. removing mouse and then pluggin it in works but i cannot do the same for the keybord 'cause i'm on a laptop [13:14] pfifo: suggestion? [13:14] chroot in [13:16] and the rebuilding initramfs? [13:16] *then [13:22] mvo: hi, you wanted me to remind you about possibly bypassing the NM check in update-manager [13:23] http://projects.gnome.org/NetworkManager/developers/migrating-to-09/spec.html#type-NM_DEVICE_STATE [13:25] what is the command to rebuild initrams? [13:35] i don't think rebuildng udev could be a solution: http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=365679 [13:35] bugs.gentoo.org bug 365679 in Core system "sys-fs/udev-168-r1 - udevd: error: runtime directory '/run/udev' not writable, for now falling back to '/dev/.udev'" [Major,Confirmed: ] [13:35] ideas based on that bug? [13:36] removing /run directory? [13:37] pfifo: ? [13:38] please guys... [13:39] Bugs should be expected when running Oneiric, especially at pre-alpha status. [13:40] morning Pici [13:43] Pici: yep but solving them is also expected [13:43] doesn't mean someone here knows how to solve that issue [13:48] rebuilding initramfs doesn't work [14:02] BINGO! removing /run worked! [18:10] 113 packages upgraded, 14 newly installed, 1 to remove and 1 not upgraded. [18:10] This should be fun [18:10] * IdleOne jumps in [18:11] hey, is there any way to run the windows kernel within linux without a VM? [18:11] wine :) [18:17] wine is not the windows kernel [18:19] wine is a windows kernel emu [18:20] no...wine stands for Wine IS Not an Emulator [18:21] it's a set of libraries and a few scripts written for linux to imitate the windows environment [18:26] anadon: I guess the answer to your question is no [18:27] time to reboot this update [18:34] Unity is broken. [18:34] classic no effects boots fine (ugly theme) === yofel_ is now known as yofel [18:58] atleast that theme works! Unity is clunky and buggy. [20:14] please help the ubuntu advertisement team by spreading this url and filling this anonymous survey, I am aiming for 12.000 responses: http://bit.ly/lZk5xw === ghostcube_ is now known as ghostcube [20:16] Hey anyone got his GNOME theme screwed up after an upgrade? [20:17] < 2 [20:21] jtaylor: any hint? [20:21] no [20:21] maybe wait a while and then reset the desktop [20:21] :( [20:22] seems everything is working, except it's *ugly* [20:22] jimmyxu: [20:22] u referin to gnome 3 [20:22] ?? [20:22] related issue [20:22] dsathe: nope, classic [20:22] ?? [20:22] classic after gnome 3 ? [20:22] dsathe: still gnome 2 [20:23] wat happnd ? [20:23] dsathe: upgraded, rebooted, something wrong w/ the theme [20:23] wat dist ? [20:23] 11.10 [20:23] oneiric [20:23] 11.04 [20:23] yup [20:23] it has gnome3 stack [20:24] u need to set stuff in dconf [20:24] or get gnome tweak tool [20:24] well... any hint or keywords? [20:24] yep get dconf-tools [20:24] open dconf-editor [20:24] set the theme [20:24] on deviant art look for gtk3 themes [20:24] ambiance,atolm adwaita [20:25] all work fully [20:25] put those [20:25] dsathe: should install that? btw i don't want to switch to GNOME 3 by now.. [20:25] set icons etc [20:25] u hav gnome 3 stack if u r on oneric [20:25] the packages are trickelin into it with every update [20:25] any means to stay on oneiric but do some downgrade? I don't mind removing ubuntu-desktop [20:25] hmm [20:26] dunno [20:26] i doubt [20:26] use natty then [20:26] that is oneric ddowngraded [20:26] why r u on oneric if u want gnome 2 ? [20:26] :( well _everything_ is downgraded then [20:26] ne specific purpose ? [20:26] UndiFineD: Do you have a moment for a pm? [20:26] dsathe: i just want everything but the desktop to stay new [20:27] wat everything ? [20:27] oneric is like aa month old only [20:27] use specific ppa if u need those pkgs updated [20:27] dsathe: btw, gnome-appearance-properties displays itself correctly [20:27] i kno [20:27] but those are no longer obeyed [20:27] gconf migrated to dconf [20:28] see all the new apps u waant are now based on the gnome 3 satck u cannont not have them and hav gnome 2 [20:28] * jimmyxu starting to get it... [20:28] gnome stack is much much more then gtk (what u get to see) [20:29] all backends aud vid tc adevices use a newer stack [20:29] natty is new enough [20:29] ;) [20:30] yea i do see a lot of 2.xx->3.0 [20:30] :) [20:30] as i said [20:30] so the classic would be screwed in oneiric release? [20:30] install gnome tweak tool [20:30] jimmy i guess [20:30] not completely [20:31] unless canonical/ubuntu port gnome panel to gnome3 stack [20:31] unity works gr8 on gnome 3 [20:31] stack [20:31] and i guess u can us gnome 3 without the shell [20:31] google a luil [20:31] lil [20:31] Shouldn't gnome-shell be moving into the repos? [20:31] yep [20:31] should [20:32] it is more stable then unity afaik [20:32] dsathe: GLib-GIO-ERROR **: Settings schema 'org.gnome.shell.clock' is not installed // means i need `gnome-shell'? [20:32] u missin a file [20:32] add the gnome3 ppa [20:32] (assumeing u hav used oneric [20:33] dsathe: gnome3-team/gnome3 right? [20:33] and not compiled it [20:33] yep [20:33] yea that ppa only compiles natty [20:33] no oneric ? [20:33] O.o [20:33] dsathe: nah [20:33] hmmm [20:34] I'm running gnome3 on arch, but it is unstable using both nouvea/nvidia [20:34] i am on natty due to production req [20:34] cebalrai: [20:34] i used gnome3 on arc wor months [20:34] v.v.stable [20:34] its not a gnome3 problem, it also freezes using kde. [20:34] got so used to it so use the ppa in natty [20:34] * jimmyxu <-- just want a mean to get things done w/o that shell or unity stuffs [20:35] gnome-shell itself is quite stable [20:35] cebalrai: nvidia ? [20:35] yep [20:35] wat model ? [20:35] gfx card ? [20:35] quadro 140M/8400GS [20:35] wat driver u usin in arh [20:35] the nvidia one > [20:35] I used both [20:35] and wat xorg / [20:35] i am askin driver ver ? [20:36] let me chroot and check real quick [20:36] arch unstable gnome and unstable enable [20:36] giv v stable gnome3 exp [20:36] i dumped arch 2 weeks ago [20:36] once i cud get 3 on ubuntu [20:36] i dunno if it went into the main repo [20:37] last known was in testing and gnome-unstable [20:37] nvidia is: 270.41.06-1 [20:37] i am on ubuntu gnome3 shell [20:37] they moved gnome3 into stable around May 1st [20:37] wait [20:37] kk [20:38] wait ill see me driver ver [20:38] afaik its nvid current in natty [20:38] 270.41.06-0ubuntu1 here [20:38] ii was using a custom kernel / bfq/ck with a highr nvid from aur [20:38] no issues then [20:38] unless u fiidddle with extensions [20:39] like a few tht cause it to crash [20:39] i was just running stock arch kernel, no extensions. [20:39] stock also worked [20:39] Weird part, it also happens using nouveau [20:39] have you conf ur xconf.org properly [20:40] wat does lspci say ? [20:40] install nvi from testing [20:40] see if it hasa anewer ver [20:40] do u hav ne logs ? [20:40] xconf, etc. is all configured correctly [20:41] system fully updated nah ? [20:41] yup yup [20:41] O.o [20:41] ne logs ? [20:41] reading this conversation is quite hard - abbreviations (u, ne,...) and so many .... [20:41] haven't gotten around to checking, might as well have a look at them right now [20:42] guntbert: sorry [20:42] guntbert: you just beat me to saying that :) [20:42] :) [20:42] i will make my conversations more complete soo soo sorry [20:42] give me a hint: gnome-shell is a WM? [20:42] yes [20:43] ah cool, I actually found it [20:43] or something at least [20:43] why libpurple still depends on perl 5.10......= = [20:43] http://pastebin.com/5JNHzD58 [20:44] dsathe: so is it possible to run metacity on a gnome 3? [20:44] That was running nouveau [20:44] not sure .. atm are you using noveau or nvidia module > [20:45] jimmyxu: not sure [20:45] with compiz ? [20:45] jimmyxu: I believe gnome-shell fallback still uses metacity? gnome-shell itself uses mutter [20:46] jimmyxu: there is i guess a gnome 3 version of metacity coz i have heard of gnome 3 without shell [20:46] zniavre: yess definitly what you will see in 11.10 [20:46] using unity [20:46] not seeing metacity being upgraded though [20:46] :D [20:46] might be some kind of mutter fallback then [20:47] compiz with gnome 3 umm for all people lookin for classic exp what you can dois run unity , and turn of the unity plugin that way what you have is classic with compiz [20:47] and gnome3 [20:48] tired of compiz crashing all the time so fallbacked to metacity a long time before... gotta give it another try [20:48] jimmyxu: [20:49] I'm note alone with my problems: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=935429 [20:49] there was an issue during natty devel that compi kept crashing because it defaulted to ini (file backend) rather than gconf [20:49] set that to gconf and reset all your prefs [20:49] much more stable [20:50] i was actually curious to see if this would also happen under oneiric [20:50] natty gnome3 all well [20:50] try reinstalling the nvidia driver [20:51] and xorg [20:51] blacklist noveau [20:51] didn't try gnome3 under natty. natty is/was running fine. now i upgraded it to oneiric for fun [20:51] as I said, I tried both nouveau and nvidia. Problem happens with both. [20:51] kk [20:51] no idea [20:52] cant do tht as of now [20:52] I was just curious if someone here has run into that [20:52] :( [20:52] wish i could jump onto 11.10 [20:52] :D [20:52] cebalrai: works for me here [20:52] generally wait for alpha1 [20:52] atleast get the feature freaze [20:53] dsathe: that's a good idea, only part of gnome 3 is in oneiric so far anyway [20:53] then play coz rite now tooo volatile [20:53] I usually switch a couple of weeks after the repositories are open. even on production systems, just for the fun of it [20:53] same her [20:53] i wait till alpha1 [20:53] if major known bbug [20:53] i have other partitions I can boot, should the need arise. [20:53] i wait till its sorted [20:53] all thru i had arch to do tht [20:53] ;D [20:54] yeah right now i got oneiric, arch and win7 :-D [20:54] if u want to go oneric for gnome 3 i think natty + ppa better [20:54] nah i wanted oneiric out of curiosity [20:54] coz in oneric too many libs xorg libc etc will change cause too many breakages [20:54] or wait till alpa 1/2 [20:55] its usually easy enough to avoid x breakages if you pay attention to what you are actually doing during upgrades [20:55] will wait till aug wen proj gets over will claean up hdd and put back arch , 11.10 and win8 [20:56] bfore u pounce on me win8 exclusivly for engg sw / gaming [20:56] :D [20:57] well it's quite hilarious to see such an ancient theme... after staring at the screen for some while [20:57] i need win7 almost exclusively for raw photography, starcraft2, office *shudder* [20:57] jimmyxu: use atolm [20:57] dsathe: please slow down on the keyboard a little - I'm good with english but "all thru i had arch to do tht" is nearly impossible for me [20:58] dsathe: would give that a shot after (hopefully) theme starts to work again [20:58] jimmyxu: it does :/ use adwaita or atolm [20:59] they have been ported to gtk3, use dconf to set them or gnome-tweak-tool [20:59] i am using it currently [20:59] gnome-tweak-tool crashes w/ that shell.clock error [21:00] use dconf [21:00] jimmyxu: gnome-tweak-tool depends on gnome-shell but that's not listed in the control file [21:00] dsathe: gotta do the ppa upgrade first :) [21:00] what you can do is this : [21:01] install dconf-tools ,> runf-dconf-editor [21:01] go to > org>gnome>desktop>interface [21:01] set al the threads to as you like thats how i did it before tweak tool came around [21:02] btw did an dist-upgrade with the ppa like 30 min ago no issue here [21:02] dsathe: marked, restarting gdm [21:03] dconf-editor is like gconf-editor , infact easier to use and restore in case you goof up [21:03] dsathe: there's plenty of bugs in oneiric now [21:04] expected ;) [21:04] have to be, always are its started like a week or 2 ago [21:15] dsathe: started w/ Ubuntu GNOME Shell (whatever it's named), and it shows nothing. ran a gnome-terminal from tty2 and started metacity and gnome-panel.. now it seems working [21:15] dsathe: except right-clicking on desktop doesn't respond. [21:15] hmm [21:16] should I upgrade my vserver to oneiric? :-D [21:17] wait till alpha1/2 [21:17] im keeping it on natty till rc as usual [21:17] best switch is alpha2 [21:18] on a server ^^? [21:18] rc is good to to avoid rush and u dont want the bugs at all [21:18] its not mission critical, but i would rather have it running [21:18] wait then till rc [21:19] dsathe: didn't see a fallback mode in gdm... where are these conf files again? [21:19] fallback to what ? [21:20] the conf fils i was referin to were to do with theming gtk3 [21:20] dsathe: eg. start metacity and gnome-panel from gdb, instead of shell [21:20] s/gdb/gdm/ [21:21] lemme see brb trying out gnome3 without shell ;) need to log off gimme a bit o time [21:27] yep it works [21:27] classiv [21:27] though i hav mashup of 2&3 [21:29] dsathe: where did you find that classic [21:29] in gdm [21:29] gnome-classic [21:29] sorry ubuntu classic and ubuntu-classic no effects [21:29] gonna try [21:30] is gnome 2.32 of natty but all my 2.32 libs are now 3.0.1 so as i said a mashup [21:31] no such thing here :( [21:35] dsathe: and gdmsetup stops working [21:36] :9 [21:36] oneiric :D [21:36] wait a bit more i guess [21:36] where did gdm put those session config? [21:37] looked inside /etc/gdm and found nothing === hallyn_ is now known as hallyn [21:40] dsathe: oh... got it [21:40] dsathe: can you paste your /usr/share/xsessions/? thx [21:41] one sec [21:41] umm its a folder O.o [21:42] dsathe: yup... just find something _classic_ [21:42] ya se 2 of them [21:42] cant open them tho [21:42] not text? o.O [21:43] aah now when i see it throuh a terminal i see all the files as .desktop [21:44] wait will send you the text [21:44] dsathe: thx [21:44] pm or pastebin ? [21:44] dsathe: pastebin [21:44] easier to copy IMO [21:47] dsathe: oh and /usr/share/gnome-session/sessions/, maybe something w/ a classic or fallback in its name [21:48] one sec [21:48] giving a detailed post gimme a few min [21:48] will do :) [21:48] http://pastebin.com/xaCbd4Vp [21:50] coming through with the gnome-session ones in a bit [21:51] okay i think i start to get it [21:51] somehow `gnome-session-fallback' has been left uninstalled... [21:51] gonna relogin [21:54] dsathe: ah it's finally working :) [21:56] http://pastebin.com/FZsgjtLE [21:56] this might be more usefull too [22:06] nah, you likely don't need to edit the sessions manually [22:07] jbicha: yea from the paste i found out i missed a pkg.. [22:07] gnome-session-fallback is what you need [22:08] yup exactly [22:09] :D glad i could help [22:09] if you want another way to break your computer, I have gnome-panel 3 in my PPA [22:09] good nite , its 3am *yawn* [22:10] 5am here :) night dsathe [22:10] wher u based > [22:10] ? [22:10] dsathe: chn [22:10] kk [22:10] mumbai here ;)