[00:00] <coalwater> night seidos and MrChrisDruif
[00:01] <MrChrisDruif> Sleep well coalwater
[00:01] <coalwater> ty
[00:18] <norm_> hello, I have a question: How is it that my terminal windows are unreadable? Ie. ctrl-alt-F2 is white and funny looking. Is this a video card problem or can I set it to default vga?
[00:21] <MrChrisDruif> I don't know, but I'm going offline. Bad timing I guess. Good luck norm_ :)
[03:37] <KyleB> What does disabling shell access when creating a user do?
[03:38] <holstein> KyleB: keeps that user out of the shell
[03:38] <holstein> i would think it would be a security step
[03:39] <KyleB> holstein: Ok thanks.
[03:40] <asterismo> i have a question
[03:40] <asterismo> i people
[03:40] <asterismo> hi people
[03:40] <KyleB> Hi
[03:41] <asterismo> my HP 6735s laptop since 2 weeks started to reboot spontaneously when idle
[03:41] <asterismo> this happens to me once a day or two
[03:42] <asterismo> but i would like to look at the logs if there is any, and see what did last the laptop before reboot
[03:42] <asterismo> is there any kernel log i can check out?
[03:42] <asterismo> because this is a very bad bug
[03:42] <holstein> asterismo: might be
[03:42] <holstein> BUT
[03:42] <holstein> i would say
[03:43] <holstein> unplug the HD
[03:43] <holstein> get a live CD
[03:43] <holstein> boot that
[03:43] <holstein> IF it starts failing
[03:43] <holstein> then, you know its hardware
[03:43] <holstein> thats what you need to rule out*
[03:44] <asterismo> but i really do not have the time to do this
[03:44] <asterismo> but if it is some hardware it should be an error log somewhere, right?
[03:45] <holstein> asterismo: not necessarily
[03:45] <holstein> if the hardware is causing the issue
[03:45] <holstein> then, it would just shut ff
[03:45] <holstein> off*
[03:45] <holstein> and im not sure if you would get a proper report
[03:45] <holstein> thats fairly definitive
[03:46] <holstein> even if you dont want to unplug the drive
[03:46] <holstein> just run a live CD
[03:46] <asterismo> but in live CD i don not have all updates and stuff
[03:46] <holstein> to get the OS out of the way
[03:46] <holstein> asterismo: right
[03:46] <holstein> IF the machine shuts down
[03:46] <holstein> when you are running the live CD
[03:46] <holstein> the same as it is now
[03:46] <holstein> then, you can stop messing with the OS
[03:46] <holstein> and fix the hardware
[03:55] <Error404NotFound> oi
[11:06] <zava> hello, how is Ubuntu getting along with EMU soundcards ?
[11:08] <Sidewinder1> zava: I'm not familiar with EMU cards, you might try a search on http://www.ubuntuforums.org, if you haven't already.
[11:09] <MrChrisDruif> !sound
[11:09] <ubot2> If you're having problems with sound, click the Volume applet, then Sound Preferences, and check your Volume, Hardware, Input, and Output settings.  If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - http://alsa.opensrc.org/DmixPlugin - For playing audio files,  see !players and !mp3.
[11:09] <zava> well, last time i've tried Ubuntu it was quite buggy and the guys from the forums gave me the same feedback
[11:09] <MrChrisDruif> Just try the livecd I would say
[11:09] <zava> I' ve tried previous version, 10
[11:10] <zava> now i'm running virtual box
[11:10] <zava> I'll say what happens
[11:10] <MrChrisDruif> Alright, but now we're at 11.04 (btw, which version 10? 10.04 or 10.10?)
[11:10] <zava> 10.4 I guess
[11:10] <MrChrisDruif> A year ago?
[11:10] <MrChrisDruif> Ubuntu has a new version every 6 months
[11:10] <zava> General impression was that EMU cards are quite difficult
[11:11] <zava> last year, yes
[11:11] <zava> ok
[11:11] <zava> i'll give it a try
[11:11] <MrChrisDruif> Alright, good luck :)
[11:11] <Sidewinder1> 10.04 Is the LTS Long Term Service version
[11:12] <MrChrisDruif> That's true
[11:13] <MrChrisDruif> But that's mostly interesting for servers, for Desktop you might as well update/fresh install every 6 months
[11:14] <Sidewinder1> Not my personal philosphy, I just want it to work without having to mess with settings, etc., every 6 months; but it's all good
[11:15] <Sidewinder1> My history: Gutsy--> Hardy--> Lucid
[11:16] <MrChrisDruif> Sidewinder1; Indeed, and I use the LTS version on machines I'm not regularly on myself (Desktops and laptops of family)
[11:20] <Sidewinder1> MrChrisDruif, That's the nice part; there are options. :-)
[11:20] <MrChrisDruif> :)
[11:42] <Sidewinder1> MrChrisDruif, Actually, with all of the complaining that I've seen regarding Unity, I'm hopeing that Conical will reconcentrate back on Gnome for their future LTS releases. But in all fairness I haven't tried Unity yet; I'll need a test "box" for that.
[11:42] <MrChrisDruif> Sidewinder1; It was buggy with me (buggy as in crashing the environment)
[11:59] <coalwater> my unity is kinda stable, but i hate the lack of indicators, and it acts funny sometimes, but nothing that crashes
[12:01] <MrChrisDruif> No indicators?
[12:02] <bioterror> people are so happy about unity
[12:02] <MrChrisDruif> bioterror; Sarcastic? ;)
[12:02] <bioterror> mmm yes
[12:03] <bioterror> and using compiz by default fails
[12:03] <bioterror> people has lots of problems with 3D drivers
[12:03] <MrChrisDruif> Compiz is stable in 10.10
[12:04] <Puck`> you need the hardware for it, i'm fortunate to have unity working totally
[12:04] <bioterror> i could probably have
[12:04] <bioterror> but i dont see the benefits
[12:05] <bioterror> if i want working 3D desktop, I would go with the windows 7 aero :D
[12:07] <bioterror> oh great two rims of four are messed up in my car
[12:17] <coalwater> yea im with bioterror about compiz, i did a fresh install and yet just cuase i enabled 1 compiz plugin it took me like 30 mins of fixing just to get a unity back
[12:18] <coalwater> a lot of compiz plugins   crash unity just by being enabled
[12:19] <coalwater> not to mention that any compiz change makes unity act weird or logos disappear till a compiz --replace to get the unity to work properly
[13:21] <bioterror> coalwater ;)
[13:21] <coalwater> hey :D lol
[15:08] <UndiFineD> please help the ubuntu advertisement team by spreading this url and filling this anonymous survey, I am aiming for 12.000 responses: http://bit.ly/lZk5xw
[15:08] <Sidewinder1> Been there, done that. :-)
[15:09] <UndiFineD> yeah.. I have to promote it a bit
[15:09] <UndiFineD> so i spread it around here and there
[15:10] <Sidewinder1> As you rightly should!
[15:11] <Error404NotFound> that wasnt to painful...
[15:11] <Sidewinder1> Have you put it anywherein http://ubuntuforums.org?
[15:11] <UndiFineD> no not yet
[15:12] <UndiFineD> but feel free to do so yourself
[15:12] <Sidewinder1> UndiFineD, If you haven't, respectfully, you should; probably in The Community Cafe.
[15:43] <coalwater> can i do a cron that runs 3pm and 11:45 pm in a single line?
[15:55] <newubuntu> anyone here?
[15:56] <xardas008> sure
[15:58] <Sidewinder1> Me too..
[15:59] <newubuntu> i have a question
[15:59] <Sidewinder1> !ask
[15:59] <ubot2> Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-)
[16:02] <newubuntu> in ubuntu 10.10 whenever i used to startup ubuntu, it would autoatically connect to my wifi
[16:02] <newubuntu> but now in 11.04 when i start my ubuntu, i have to switch my wlan off, then on, then ubuntu detects it and asks for keyring and then connects
[16:03] <Error404NotFound> thats not a question its a statement
[16:03] <newubuntu> any solution?
[16:03] <xardas008> the network isn't visible?
[16:03] <xardas008> only after rebooting the wlan module?
[16:04] <newubuntu> yes it says wlan device not found
[16:05] <xardas008> ok that's strange
[16:05] <newubuntu> yup strange indeed
[16:08] <Sidewinder1> Have you tried to hit it with a BFH?
[16:08] <newubuntu> whats a BFH?
[16:08] <Sidewinder1> Big ***Hammer
[16:08] <Sidewinder1> Just kidding... :-)
[16:09] <newubuntu> :p
[16:09] <newubuntu> any non harmful solution
[16:09] <Sidewinder1> Sad part is, sometimes it works. :-)
[16:09] <newubuntu> ok leave this problem, i can live with it
[16:09] <newubuntu> i got a bigger problem
[16:10] <newubuntu> it has happened twice or thrice since i installed ubuntu 11.04(that'd be 2 weeks ago)
[16:10] <newubuntu> the system FREEZES
[16:10] <newubuntu> just freezes for NO APPARANT REASON
[16:10] <Error404NotFound> thats 11.04 for ya
[16:10] <Error404NotFound> its not an lts
[16:10] <Error404NotFound> mine freezes too
[16:12] <Sidewinder1> I only use LTSs; Couldn't be bothered with all the messin' around every 6 mos. But that's just me.
[16:12] <newubuntu> i mean freezes for no reason,
[16:12] <Error404NotFound> so does mine...
[16:12] <newubuntu> i had no fancy stuff in the background, it just froze
[16:12] <Error404NotFound> ive had 11.04 for like 2 weeks
[16:12] <Error404NotFound> froze atleast 10 times
[16:12] <newubuntu> and it froze forever, i had to eventually reboot forcefully
[16:14] <Error404NotFound> my main problem now is blue tooth
[16:14] <Error404NotFound> initial boot it dont work i have to reboot
[16:14] <Error404NotFound> then it just works...
[16:15] <Sidewinder1> !enter | Error404NotFound
[16:15] <ubot2> Error404NotFound: Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line. Don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[16:16] <Error404NotFound> you cant change my typing practices...
[16:17] <Sidewinder1> newubuntu, Don't force; type "R-E-I-S-U-B" while holding down the Alt and Prtscreen keys waiting about two seconds between...
[16:17] <Sidewinder1> Error404NotFound, Wasn't trying to, just a suggestion. :-)
[16:18] <newubuntu> sidewinder1, i didnt get u, pelase elaborate
[16:18] <Error404NotFound> with dashes?
[16:19] <Error404NotFound> i dont have a print screen key
[16:19] <Sidewinder1> Do a search for REISUB that will explain more accurately and in more detail than I can; I'm a "peck and hunt" kinda' guy. :-)
[16:19] <Error404NotFound> so am i
[16:19] <Sidewinder1> No, no dashes.
[16:20] <holstein> newubuntu: what wifi hardware?
[16:20] <Error404NotFound> hola holstein
[16:20] <holstein> im experiencing something similar
[16:20] <newubuntu> umm, i dont know
[16:20] <holstein> which i am assuming is a regression bug
[16:20] <newubuntu> holstein, but it doesnt matter coz it wasnt a problem in 10.10
[16:21] <holstein> and might acutally be fixed
[16:21] <holstein> i havent installed 11.04 on the hardware in question
[16:21] <holstein> and ive been a little too busy to track it down properly
[16:21] <holstein> Error404NotFound: o/
[16:21] <Sidewinder1> It preserves "machine-state" and all kinds of other things that can be screwed up by a forced shut-down, such as holding the power button th show the 'puter who's really bosss.
[16:21] <holstein> Network controller: Atheros Communications Inc. Device 002c (rev 01)
[16:22] <holstein> ^ thats my hardware
[16:22] <Error404NotFound> ive had problems with my wifi, usb dlink 802.11n
[16:22] <holstein> so far, any 11.04 based distro is running great live
[16:22] <holstein> til i join a wifi network
[16:22] <holstein> then, it starts to crawl
[16:22] <holstein> and lock up
[16:22] <holstein> again, if i actually installed
[16:22] <holstein> and updated the pacakges
[16:22] <holstein> packages*
[16:23] <holstein> theres probably an update to fix it
[16:23] <Error404NotFound> my wifi connected but was literally bytes per second
[16:24] <newubuntu> im actually thinking of switching back to windows
[16:24] <Error404NotFound> lame
[16:24] <Error404NotFound> go back to the lts
[16:24] <holstein> potentially easier i suppose
[16:25] <holstein> i always quote a book i have, 'how linux works'
[16:25] <holstein> nothing in linux is hiding itself from you
[16:25] <holstein> if you want to get involved
[16:25] <holstein> and help fix te problem
[16:25] <holstein> im sure that would be appreciated
[16:25] <bioterror> people is waving french flag again in here
[16:25] <holstein> but, thats quite a departure from the usual model
[16:26] <Error404NotFound> lol
[16:26] <holstein> i would give the LTS a chance live
[16:26] <holstein> or, search around for bugs relating to your specific hardware
[16:26] <bioterror> i would trylts kernel on 11.04 ;1
[16:26] <Sidewinder1> !enter > holstein
[16:26] <ubot2> holstein, please see my private message
[16:26] <holstein> bioterror: :)
[16:26] <Error404NotFound> i like the french reference
[16:27] <Sidewinder1> holstein, Sorry, couldn't resist. :-)
[16:27] <holstein> Sidewinder1: ?
[16:28] <Sidewinder1> holstein, You're not ignoring ubot2 are you? :-)
[16:28] <holstein> Sidewinder1: i'll review the /topic, and try to be more consice
[16:29] <Sidewinder1> holstein, On a slow day like today it's not bad; but when it get busy, a "page" can fill up really quick...
[16:30] <Sidewinder1> holstein, Us old farts get confused faster and faster.
[16:30] <Error404NotFound> old fart...
[16:32] <Sidewinder1> Me...
[16:33] <Error404NotFound> im old too
[16:33] <UndiFineD> 404 ?
[16:33] <Error404NotFound> im 33
[16:33] <Error404NotFound> not 404
[16:33] <MrChrisDruif> That's not old, only 10 years older then I am
[16:34] <UndiFineD> and you call yourselves old with 33 ?
[16:34] <Error404NotFound> tell me that in 10 years lol
[16:34] <bioterror> hah, old timers
[16:34] <Error404NotFound> pfft
[16:34] <UndiFineD> I still pretend to be 18
[16:34] <Error404NotFound> how old are you bioterror holstein
[16:34] <bioterror> Error404NotFound, 16!
[16:35] <holstein> Sidewinder1: i feel like !enter should be implied more prominently in the /topic
[16:35] <Error404NotFound> young punk!
[16:35] <bioterror> Error404NotFound, my wife is almost as old as you ;)
[16:35] <holstein> ive been her a long time, and was not aware
[16:35] <Sidewinder1> Ok, with all of the wisdom that I've aquired...What would you like to know?
[16:35] <holstein> here*
[16:35] <Error404NotFound> married at 16?
[16:35] <bioterror> Error404NotFound, wiki.ubuntu.com/bioterror ;)
[16:36] <Error404NotFound> ...
[16:37] <UndiFineD> !sit-still | charlie-tca
[16:37] <ubot2> Factoid 'sit-still' not found
[16:37] <MrChrisDruif> UndiFineD; Was ;sitstill with DragonEyes
[16:37] <charlie-tca> huh
[16:37] <UndiFineD> :P
[16:38] <charlie-tca> trying to change some xchat settings requires a restart
[16:38] <UndiFineD> ah
[16:38]  * UndiFineD is Error404NotFound +1
[16:39] <Error404NotFound> who what?
[16:39] <UndiFineD> [[ UndiFineD ]]
[16:39] <Error404NotFound> 34?
[16:39] <UndiFineD> yeah
[16:45] <r4y> I was thinking of an idea. Make a program that makes the computer child proof, so that delete and move to trash don't exist unless that program is opened and the password is used and what ever else on top of that idea
[16:45] <r4y> anyways bye
[18:18] <kristian__> holstein, ping-ping
[18:19] <Sidewinder1> Pong
[18:19] <kristian__> Sidewinder1, are you holstein?
[18:20] <Sidewinder1> Standy, let me check.
[18:20] <Error404NotFound> lol
[18:20] <Sidewinder1> Standby
[18:20] <Error404NotFound> holstein:  is holstein
[18:20] <Sidewinder1> As long as holstein believes himself to be holstein.
[18:21] <kristian__> fair enough ;)
[18:43] <holstein> kristian__: lol
[18:43] <holstein> im around for a minute, whats up?
[18:43] <kristian__> holstein, private?
[18:44] <holstein> sure
[18:52] <Guest74456> I have a problem with window decorations. I can't change them from a default one. Any thoughts? I've seen others with the problem in the forums, but no solution. :(
[18:52] <xardas008> which desktop environment are you using Guest74456?
[18:53] <Guest74456> I'm on Gnome2.
[18:53] <xardas008> System -> Settings -> Appearence normally
[18:54] <Guest74456> In appearance I can change everything but the window decoration. But Emerald is not on.
[18:56] <Guest74456> Settings in Decoration plugin under Compiz say it's "gtk-window-decorator", but I can't change it.
[18:57] <Guest74456> Changing themes in Appearance does change the color of the window border, but not the border theme itself. :S
[19:06] <Guest74456> Nothing? C'mon, in the forums they have no answers, I'm running out of ideas. It doesn't affect KDE, AFAIK, but I'd prefer to use Gnome.
[19:19] <holstein> Guest74456: 10.10 ?
[19:20] <Guest74456> It started in 10.10 when I tried to activate Emerald and I got no borders at all, then went back to gtk decorator and this started. Now I'm in 11.04, but it's still the same.
[19:21] <Fvic> hi all,can anyone guide me   through bug-420918.....m new and wanted to get involved in bug triaging?
[19:27] <holstein> Guest74456: i would try making a different user account real quick
[19:27] <holstein> login
[19:27] <holstein> see if its still there
[19:27]  * holstein using enter as punctuation again...
[19:27] <holstein> i had no idea...
[19:27] <Guest74456> alright, will do. brb
[19:32] <Guest74456> holstein: I like how you think! The new user has Compiz enabled AND regular window decorations that CAN be changed!
[19:33] <holstein> Guest74456: interesting...
[19:33] <Error404NotFound> i always use enter as puncuation holstein
[19:33] <Guest74456> So it's a matter of settings? Short of reinstalling, I'll do anything to get rid of this generic window border.
[19:33] <Error404NotFound> dont feel so bad
[19:33] <holstein> i suppose that should help you track it down, in your user account
[19:34] <holstein> Guest74456: you can always start moving/renaming .config directories
[19:34] <Guest74456> Yes, that's very helpful. At least it doesn't seem to be a problem with the system.
[19:34] <Guest74456> If I were to remove the Compiz .config directory, would it create a new one on next login, or would I get BSOD or something?
[19:35] <holstein> Guest74456: shouldnt
[19:35] <holstein> but, just know how to revert, and you'll be fine
[19:35] <holstein> you can rename/move and go in from a live CD and put the backup back in place
[19:36] <holstein> *should* just make a new directory though, without issue
[19:36] <Guest74456> Alright. I'll give it a shot. Thanks a lot. :)
[19:36] <holstein> sure, anytime :)
[19:44] <JackyAlcine> Ah, removing .compiz-1 and .config/.compiz-1 would have reset a few things.
[19:44] <JackyAlcine> It's how I fixed my issue with Unity; because my config was incompatiable.
[19:47] <xardas008> after using gnome3 now for a few days, i come to the conclusion that unity is more user friendly than the new gnome desktop
[19:48] <JackyAlcine> Is GNOME3 more customizable?
[19:48] <xardas008> no
[19:48] <xardas008> and notifications are terrible
[19:49] <JackyAlcine> In that case,.
[19:49]  * JackyAlcine remains with Unity.
[19:49] <xardas008> if someone writes me in irc i won't see it
[19:49] <Sidewinder1> holstein, Please don't take my previous (actually the "bot's") advice re: the enter key too seriously. I simply wanted to point it out to you. There have been many times on the #ubuntu, when it's very busy, I have trouble keeping up if folks use enter too frequently. I'm just an old fart and am slowing down.
[19:51] <Sidewinder1> holstein, Anyone who volunteers their time as graciously as you do deserves mucho credit, I certainly did not mean to chastise.
[19:51] <Guest74456> I just erased the config file in Compiz and entered a new session. It shows things have defaulted. Now the decorator under decoration plugin is "compiz-decorator". However, the generic border is still there. What else can I erase? I looked for a "metacity" folder, just in case, but there's none.
[19:51] <Sidewinder1> I hope that you understand. :-)
[19:52] <Sidewinder1> holstein, You certainly are a gentleman and a scholar.
[19:53] <Guest74456> Oh, how about .gconf and the one next to it, .gconfd? Those looks settingy. Would it be dangerous to erase them?
[19:53] <xardas008> 20:44:19) JackyAlcine: Ah, removing .compiz-1 and .config/.compiz-1 would have reset a few things. @Guest74456
[19:55] <Guest74456> I hadn't removed the one on ~. I'll try that.
[19:56] <JackyAlcine> norm_, don't delete .gconf
[19:58] <Guest77456> Oh, wrong nick. Anyway, erasing .compiz-1 didn't do the trick. But erasing both .gconf directories fixed it!
[19:58] <Guest77456> I mean, the desktop looks like a fresh install now, I'll need to tweak it again, but the problem is fixed! :D
[19:59] <Guest77456> Thanks all who helped. This problem was really making me mad. :D
[20:51] <holstein> Sidewinder1: no worries :) ...im always learning
[20:53] <Sidewinder1> holstein, Me too; that's the beauty of it all! :-)
[21:19] <zave> anyone know the command to stop lftp from trying to reconnect?
[21:19] <bioterror> ctrl+c
[21:20] <Sidewinder1> Or kill the process in system monitor.
[21:20] <kristian__> killall ltfp
[21:20] <bioterror> or press power button for ~5 seconds
[21:21] <bioterror> right guys?
[21:22] <Sidewinder1> bioterror, You're bad.
[21:23] <zave> ctrl+c that did it, thanks
[21:23] <bioterror> np
[21:23] <xardas008> power botton is the overkill xD
[21:24] <Sidewinder1> reisub
[21:35] <head_victim> The power button is the windows solution
[21:35] <Sidewinder1> That's 'cause it's needed so often.
[21:36] <Sidewinder1> BSOD, and all...
[21:44] <xardas008> head_victim: i needed it on ubuntu too a few days ago while watching a fullhd movie, nothing reacted, no chance to do anything (keyboard + mouse dead)
[21:47] <bioterror> and it's also OS X solution
[21:54] <Error404NotFound> i love my power button
[21:54] <bioterror> mee too!
[21:54] <bioterror> I have dig that power button with screw driver from the inside of this laptop
[21:55] <Error404NotFound> lol
[21:55] <Error404NotFound> i thought i used my power button so much in windows, because it was windows
[21:55] <Error404NotFound> bad hdd ftl
[21:56] <head_victim> xardas008: ah bummer, I've only had that problem when hardware fails
[21:56] <Error404NotFound> my 1tb hdd took a dump
[21:56] <Sidewinder1> Certainly hope you guys are jokeing about the power button, right?
[21:57] <Error404NotFound> Sidewinder1:  has power button envy
[21:57] <xardas008> head_victim: i think that my external hdd was the reason for that
[21:57] <bioterror> who is joking
[21:57] <Sidewinder1> Lost mine many eons ago.
[21:57] <head_victim> xardas008: yeah mine was a usb failure as well actually
[21:57] <bioterror> i still think that killing processes for no real reason is as stupid as pressing power button for ~5secs ;)
[21:58] <Error404NotFound> nah
[21:58] <ibuclaw> well... a hardware shutdown without safely disabling all active processes can be hazardous to data. ;)
[21:58] <xardas008> i only had a movie opened so there couldn't happen too much
[21:58] <ibuclaw> mechanically, there's probably nothing to worry about.
[21:59] <Sidewinder1> On the off chance that you're not joking...The power button solution is beyond last resort. The preferred method is to hold down Shift-Alt_Printscreen and type REISUB, waiting about 3 secouns between eack letter.
[22:00] <Sidewinder1> each
[22:01] <ibuclaw> actually, my preferred method would be to get a hammer and thrash the device into a thousand pieces. ;)
[22:01] <ibuclaw> but that would require a swift replacement, so I choose not to.
[22:02] <ibuclaw> Sidewinder1, it would ultimately depend on what's gone wrong / where you are.
[22:02] <Sidewinder1> But, I'll bet you always get the last word in, with the device!
[22:03] <Error404NotFound> i use my hammer a lot
[22:04] <bioterror> Error404NotFound, 20kg calibration hammer
[22:04] <Sidewinder1> I've, in the last 4 years had very few lock-ups, but each time that I did, the above worked and didn't "bork" anything as the power button sometimes will...
[22:04] <ibuclaw> ctrl+alt+delete whilst in one of the vt's should safely reboot if the system where still in a functional state - else REISUB to ensure the safe dismounting.
[22:04] <bioterror> yeah, it sucks to wait jfs or what ever people is using to check journal status :D
[22:05] <Sidewinder1> Then, again, the BFH does have it's uses.
[22:05] <ibuclaw> bioterror, ext4 when it was first pushed into Linux was in a similar state too
[22:08] <ibuclaw> steps to reproduce:
[22:08] <ibuclaw> cp -r /usr/share/man ~/Desktop/man
[22:08] <ibuclaw> sleep 120
[22:08] <ibuclaw> echo b > /proc/sysrq-trigger
[22:11] <ibuclaw> because of the long delay in commits the ext4 defaults had, nothing of that cp would have been written to disk by the time you forced reboot.
[22:14] <bioterror> zsh: file exists: /proc/sysrq-trigger
[22:14] <bioterror> :(
[22:18] <bioterror> good night
[22:19] <Error404NotFound> pfft
[22:19] <Error404NotFound> only 4pm
[22:20] <Sidewinder1> G'night bio...
[22:26] <Sidewinder1> The first boat my father ever bought was a Starcraft. Brings back fond memories.