[08:32] <mdke> j1mc: around?
[08:32] <j1mc> mdke: hey
[08:32] <mdke> heya!
[08:32] <mdke> how's the jetlag?
[08:33] <j1mc> i'm loving it.  it doesn't help that i slept for a good part of the afternoon today.
[08:33] <mdke> hah
[08:33] <mdke> I just wanted to catch up on where we are with natty docs
[08:33] <j1mc> sure
[08:34] <j1mc> start with natty docs, i guess
[08:34] <mdke> I think we said that we would have a hard freeze around 15 May
[08:34] <mdke> are we at the stage where we can do that?
[08:35] <j1mc> i can give a read through, but i think we went through bug reports pretty quickly.
[08:35] <mdke> There are still a few stubs and such around
[08:35] <j1mc> i would think that we could have a hard freeze. there are some bugs in my 'bugs' folder, but i think some of them are kubuntu-related
[08:35] <mdke> perhaps we should move them to stub pages and then have the freeze
[08:35] <j1mc> i haven't had a chance to go through them, but can do so in a day or so
[08:36] <mdke> do you think it is worth having a bit more time on those?
[08:36] <mdke> We can be relaxed about when we freeze
[08:36] <j1mc> i'll have to take a look and see what kind of topics they are. are they page.stub files?
[08:37] <mdke> no
[08:37] <mdke> net-email.page
[08:37] <mdke> net-problem.page
[08:37] <mdke> net-security.page
[08:37] <mdke> net-wired.page
[08:37] <mdke> unity-launcher.page
[08:37] <j1mc> or just listed as "stub' for their status?
[08:37] <mdke> yeah
[08:37] <mdke> I think I marked the net ones as stubs
[08:37] <j1mc> ok - we can review those. perhaps then freeze?
[08:37] <mdke> that sounds good to me.
[08:38] <j1mc> me, too.
[08:38] <mdke> the spanish translators finished everything!
[08:38] <mdke> quite impressive...
[08:38] <j1mc> that is amazing
[08:38] <j1mc> they were really quick on translating the gnome docs, too.
[08:38] <j1mc> always lots of updates from them
[08:39] <mdke> yeah, they had that head start
[08:39] <mdke> about half the strings or so came from upstream in the end I think
[08:39] <j1mc> nice!
[08:39] <mdke> ok, I'll send an email along those lines, thanks
[08:39] <mdke> UDS was fun?
[08:39] <j1mc> yeah - do you have an extra minute or two?
[08:40] <mdke> yep
[08:40] <j1mc> the strategy session was helpful, and i'm putting together a strategy document.
[08:40] <j1mc> i'll have a draft ready within the week (i think) for the team to review
[08:41] <j1mc> and for 11.10... people gave us some good input there, too. but we can narrow our focus some to see what we can really get done for this cycle.
[08:41] <j1mc> be reasonable with ourselves.
[08:41] <mdke> yes, I agree completely
[08:41] <j1mc> i'm not sure what to do about that docs platform. it seems neat, but there wouldn't be much support from upstream.
[08:42] <j1mc> (neither kde or gnome)
[08:42] <j1mc> i would like to evaluate it, if only as a way of being considerate to the people who came out to demo it.
[08:42] <j1mc> it is open source stuff, so ... just helping out another open source docs team
[08:43] <j1mc> i'm going to see if i can get accounts for people.  does that seem reasonable?
[08:43] <mdke> yes, I think that's the right approach
[08:43] <mdke> it's difficult for us if there is no upstream buy-in, because arguably it's not for us to drive new technologies, but perhaps if it was spectacularly useful it might be something we should look at
[08:44] <j1mc> ok - thanks for at least that support. i feel/felt like i was going out on a bit of a limb, but it was worth looking at given what i knew about it.
[08:44] <j1mc> so... i'll be getting that stuff out soon, too.
[08:44] <mdke> it's definitely worth looking at these things I think
[08:45] <mdke> so just call a meeting whenever you're ready with the strategy document, I guess
[08:45] <j1mc> and i want to start a team blog!  :)  did you know there was an 'ubuntu tour' project that had translations??
[08:45] <j1mc> i had no idea.
[08:45] <mdke> I've seen some irc posts about it
[08:45] <j1mc> cool... i will (re: the team meeting)
[08:46] <mdke> is ubuntu tour good?
[08:46] <j1mc> i'm not sure. it has some good ideas, i guess, but i think it was started before we worked on our new docs. before we had our own tour in the intro sections.
[08:47] <j1mc> so hopefully raising our profile a little bit will help to get a bit more attention and encourage people to work with us rather than starting new docs-related projects.
[08:47] <j1mc> it isn't just writers doing more work, but also translators.
[08:48] <j1mc> anyway, that's all for now...
[08:48] <j1mc> i suppose you're off to work?
[08:48] <mdke> shortly yeah
[08:48] <mdke> I'm a bit behind today :)
[08:48] <j1mc> ah, ok.
[08:48] <j1mc> i was drafting a uds-related blog post that will cover a few more things
[08:48] <j1mc> but that's most of it
[08:49] <j1mc> thanks for saying 'hey'
[08:49] <mdke> sounds like it was worthwhile
[08:49] <mdke> did you get any input from the design people about unity terminology?
[08:50] <j1mc> a bit... i actually need to follow-up with them a bit. i didn't get quite as much input from design folks as i had hoped, but some were helpful.
[08:50] <j1mc> pippa from the design team used to be a technical writer, so i think she'll be a good resource from their group
[08:50] <mdke> oh cool
[08:51] <j1mc> and she pointed me to rober (or john?) lee, too, but i didn't get to talk to him.
[08:52] <mdke> ok
[08:52] <mdke> well it sounds like you got a lot done anyway
[08:52] <j1mc> i tried.  :)
[08:52] <mdke> it was really good to have some docs sessions at uds for a change :)
[08:52] <j1mc> :)
[08:52] <mdke> that in itself raises the profile
[08:53] <mdke> and the team blog idea is a good one
[08:53] <mdke> I have a dreamhost account which has a "one click" wordpress setup if you need it
[08:53] <j1mc> cool
[08:53] <j1mc> well, i think i'm going to try and catch a few Zzz's
[08:53] <mdke> alright, sleep well
[08:54] <j1mc> thanks. later, mdke
[09:34] <UndiFineD> mdke, did you catch barrydrake 's guide to natty ?
[20:54] <mdke> UndiFineD: no
[20:55] <UndiFineD> good morning :)
[20:56] <UndiFineD> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuAdverts/Research?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=simple_guide_natty_unity.pdf
[20:56] <UndiFineD> mdke, also poke alanbell about an accessibility chapter he wrote
[21:16] <mdke> UndiFineD: that's helpful, we are a bit short on accessibility material
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