=== bazhang_ is now known as bazhang === wet-chan is now known as wet [11:33] Community Council meeting over? [11:34] There's been no meeting in here for at least 24 hours. [11:35] According to the Fridge there should be a meeting now <_<" [11:36] Indeed. [11:36] However, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda says 11 UTC. [11:36] That's in 24 minutes. [11:36] Lesson: Don't believe everything you read. [11:37] timezones are a large pita [11:38] Timezones aren't that bad. People are :) [11:38] soren: in reading calendars :) [11:39] Google calendar fail :) [12:01] popey, sabdfl: is it the three of us? [12:01] looks like it [12:02] * jussi waves and watches from the sidelines. [12:02] according to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda we have one agenda item, as pleia2 is very likely sleeping [12:02] is Nathan Bahn around? [12:03] whois nathan-bahn [12:03] erk [12:03] doesn't look like it [12:03] he's got "Revisit" but no other commentary [12:04] has there been a big "save sounder" movement? [12:04] so last meeting they didnt know it was on the agenda, this time it's on the agenda but non of the sounder folks are here :s [12:04] What? [12:04] There was a big #blame popey movement though :) [12:04] AFAIK there's been a google group set up [12:05] There's a been some OT on -users [12:05] more than usual, which I kinda expected [12:06] and a few snide comments directed at me, but nothing worth worrying about [12:06] I personally don't see a reason in the current discussion to change my opinion about the decision [12:06] agreed [12:06] and with nobody here to discuss the point, I think it's safe to move on [12:07] this is two rounds, it's sufficient. [12:07] done [12:07] cool. [12:07] Does anybody have any other business? [12:07] popey, thanks for your broad shoulders and thick skin :-) [12:07] np [12:07] I just have a quick question for popey and sabdfl: did you get my mail about the google doc that I set up to help organise the CC discussions? [12:08] at UDS pleia2 and Technoviking told me they hadn't gotten the mail [12:08] haven't read it dholbach [12:08] uhm [12:08] ok, I'm happy to re-send it [12:08] I'll do it later on [12:08] * sladen waves just incase anyone from the sounder camp claims that nobody knew/nobody could attend [12:08] dholbach: looks like i didn't get it either [12:08] I honestly do read your mail, but don't recall that one dholbach [12:08] alright - thanks - I'll take care of it later on [12:09] that's all from me - does anyone else have any business to discuss? [12:09] sabdfl: i have a question if you dont mind. [12:09] some of the press have picked up on comments you made during your keynote at UDS [12:09] specifically about the copyright assignment [12:10] wondered if you had a timeline for opening that discussion up ? [12:12] i will blog about it asap [12:12] just got a lot to juggle right now [12:12] ok, ta [12:12] also, been invited to a panel in berlin at Guadec on the subject [12:12] * popey looks when guadec is [12:12] week after the week after Debconf [12:12] feedback has been positive that folk are glad to see someone at least discussing the rationale from Canonical's perspective [12:12] long overdue [12:14] popey, is your question answered? [12:14] yes [12:14] awesome [12:14] I'm happy to write the team report, it looks like it's going to be a short one ;-) [12:14] \o/ [12:14] thanks all! [12:14] meeting adjourned then :) [12:14] great UDS [12:15] thanks and have a great day everyone [12:15] thanks for coming sladen :) === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan [16:51] do do do [17:00] who is running the meeting today? [17:00] 1 2 3 not it ;) [17:00] * smb is trying to run away... :-P [17:01] Unless smoser forgot to change the page.. he's up. :) [17:01] smoser: ping! [17:01] Hello! [17:02] * Daviey raises a smoser ping. [17:02] bah [17:02] zul, If smoser doesn't arrive shortly are you okay to drive? (next in list) [17:02] i am most certainly not up [17:02] right [17:02] hold on. [17:02] smoser, Hmm... are you sure? [17:02] smoser is starting his 6 month sru rotation [17:02] no meetings for him. ;-) [17:02] i aint up for it either :) [17:02] I last did it on 2011-04-19 [17:02] are you guys forgetting to update the page? [17:03] probably.. [17:03] We didn't have a meeting for the last two weeks, and before that kirkland drove... right? [17:03] ok well in the interest of getting on with it, I'll get on with it [17:03] #startmeeting [17:03] which looks like smoser is next, or am i mistaken? [17:03] Meeting started at 11:03. The chair is SpamapS. [17:03] Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] [17:03] SpamapS, good stuff. [17:03] [TOPIC] Review ACTION points from previous meeting [17:03] New Topic: Review ACTION points from previous meeting [17:03] there were none, moving on [17:04] [TOPIC] Oneiric Development [17:04] New Topic: Oneiric Development [17:04] Hello! [17:04] No doubt everyone is still recovering from the rather successful week at UDS in Budapest last week. [17:04] Whilst the sessions are still fresh in our mind, we need to turn to adding work items to the blueprints. We should strive to have a first draft of blueprints done by the end of the week. Some blueprints do not yet have a drafter assigned. Between myself and Robbie, these will be allocated amongst the team with a a best effort of fair and logical choice. [17:04] (note, i did not send out meeting minutes after 2011-04-19, or add a meeitn page. i will do that now) [17:04] http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/oneiric [17:04] LINK received: http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/oneiric [17:04] I will send a mail outlining the hows and whys following the meeting. [17:04] Totally worthless right now, but thought I'd share. [17:04] i know smoser will cry if i paste it here. [17:05] and when not spec'ing... merge, merge, merge! [17:06] if only we had services that could take a paste and turn it into a link. [17:06] But blueprints our the priority right now :) [17:06] or a tool that could do that from stdin [17:06] and when not merging, triage! We're ridiculously behind [17:06] smoser, is that possible? [17:06] SpamapS, yes - well caught. [17:06] Anything else? [17:06] That is all for now. Thanks. [17:07] [TOPIC] Ubuntu Server Team Events [17:07] New Topic: Ubuntu Server Team Events [17:07] SpamapS: it was more ridiculous yesterday morning [17:07] zul: yes nice job hammering it down :) [17:07] and hallyn as well [17:08] Since we were all at UDS .. anybody else going to be somewhere or think we should be somewhere in the next month or so? [17:09] not here, thank you :) [17:09] at home resting our livers [17:09] Alright then [17:09] [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (hggdh) [17:09] New Topic: Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (hggdh) [17:09] hggdh: good morning! [17:09] good morning [17:10] we are still working on the changes for this cycle, so input on what we should test for is welcome [17:10] hggdh: I'd be curious to hear how the build-time testing PPA that you had worked out last cycle. [17:10] Meant to ask at UDS [17:11] it is there ;-) but we are not running a lot of builds [17:11] hggdh, Is it documented anywhere? [17:11] what we are looking for is to add in more packages with build-time checks (like, say, coreutils) [17:11] just a sec and I will get the current list [17:12] I get a failure for pkgbinarymangler in my email quite often [17:12] yes -- have to talk with pitti about that, been in the backburner [17:12] hggdh: shouldn't we be opening bugs for any failures we see? [17:13] we can -- perhaps we should, actually [17:13] so I will start doing it [17:13] hggdh, \o/ [17:13] I would almost think we could automate it, except we're limited in what recipes can do. [17:13] I also have to update it for building on oneiric [17:14] Cool, well anyway, anything else to report? Otherwise I think we'll move on. [17:14] * Daviey ^5's hggdh [17:15] move on, dear sir, move on. Just please note that we need more packages on the daily build [17:15] [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (smb) [17:15] New Topic: Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (smb) [17:15] good tod [17:15] I would have two questions [17:16] One, to smoser, I was digging for the srpm for a amazon ami kernel. Does the get_reference_source command ring a bell to you? [17:16] smb, yeah, i gave you that in the etherpad [17:16] thats what you need to use [17:16] that will get you an SRPM [17:17] smoser, damn missed that there somehow [17:17] Ok thanks [17:17] The other thing is iscsitarget [17:17] erk. [17:18] Currently there is two versions one ubuntu specific driver in the kernel and a dkms package. The kernel version currently does not compile (maybe got a fix there) and the dkms likely will fail on install [17:18] Probably first thing to ask, do we have hardware to test this thing? [17:18] which driver are we talkin about? ietd or the newer upstream generic target framework? [17:19] Second would be whether it being a dkms module would be sufficient, so we could drop the kernel one [17:19] iscsi_trgt.ko [17:19] can't it be tested using tgt ? [17:20] (for the record: daily build for Natty: libvirt postgresql-8.4 mysql-5.1 openldap php5 python2.7 coreutils clamav cups gcc gdb pkgbinarymangler pkg-create-dbgsym) [17:20] * smb was hoping the server team knew how to test. :-P [17:20] hggdh: ty [17:20] you can test using any block device/LV or raw file within a virtual machine [17:21] smb, just forwarded you mention of this: https://silverline.librato.com/blog/main/EC2_Users_Should_be_Cautious_When_Booting_Ubuntu_10_04_AMIs [17:21] adam_g, Hm, ok. Maybe there is some simple howto for the setup...? [17:21] * Daviey fears adam_g just signed up to help test it :) [17:21] smoser, ookay... [17:21] smb: ive worked with it a bunch in the past, its very easy to setup (assuming we're talking about the same iscsi target) [17:21] sure, i can help [17:22] wait i thought tgt got promoted to main or something [17:22] Filename: pool/main/t/tgt/tgt_1.0.13-0ubuntu2_amd64.deb [17:22] That would be cool [17:22] * zul shuts up [17:22] adam_g / smb (http://testcases.qa.ubuntu.com/Install/ServeriSCSIRoot/KVMExample) [17:23] smb: I had a general question about bugs that we think might be kernel related.. [17:23] zul, package seems in universe for oneiric still [17:23] SpamapS, Ok [17:23] Daviey, Thanks [17:23] * RoAkSoAx thinkgs that adam_g just signed up to write documentation and test it :) [17:23] smb: thus far I've just added a task against the 'linux' source package and left it as New. Does that work within the kernel triaging framework? Like, will it ever be seen that way? [17:24] SpamapS, I started to use a tag to make them searchable for me and give JFo some hints. Reminds me that I need to tell him (and you now) which exactöly [17:25] yes, i can help with iscsi testing/docs. im still a bit unclear as to which target we're using (im the new guy), since there a few [17:25] smb: if you don't have the tag list handy, you can send it to me offline later and I'll include it in the minutes. [17:26] SpamapS, Here it is, I user kernel-server [17:26] used even [17:26] adam_g: you can always assert which one you think we *should* be using. [17:26] smb: ty [17:26] ok, moving on? [17:26] SpamapS: certainly [17:26] Ok, I think I got a lot to work on [17:27] adam_g, Will come back to you in case I need more info. :) [17:27] [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions from the Ubuntu Community [17:27] New Topic: Weekly Updates & Questions from the Ubuntu Community [17:27] smb: yeah, id like to find out which the kernel team prefers, as theres been a lot of work in this area upstream the last couple of kernels [17:28] For community... [17:28] Just a note that peer reviews of blueprints will be appreciated. [17:29] and test proposals ;-) [17:29] Yes! [17:29] and SRUs [17:29] and ensemble recipies :) [17:29] Pretty much anything short of insults to our mothers will be appreciated. :) [17:29] This cycle we should see more interaction, and areas of oppertunity. [17:29] we are that easy :) [17:30] I think we should also start thinking about acknowledging just how much of the Debian Development effort is centered around servers, and therefore, part of our community. [17:31] Anything else? [17:31] not here. [17:31] [TOPIC] Open Discussion [17:31] New Topic: Open Discussion [17:32] * Daviey waves to adam_g [17:32] Great UDS everybody! [17:32] hallyn_: you were missed. [17:32] next time ill tape the demo [17:32] adam_g is the newest member of the team, and is shortly going to show us how awesome he is. [17:32] * SpamapS covers his eyes [17:32] zul, it was recorded. [17:32] hi [17:32] :) [17:32] Daviey: seriously? [17:33] zul, yeah, i thought they all were. [17:33] All plenaries are taped [17:33] look out on youtube. [17:33] oh...shoot :) [17:33] http://www.youtube.com/user/ubuntudevelopers <-- keep and eye out for our own zul [17:33] [TOPIC] Announce next meeting date and time [17:33] New Topic: Announce next meeting date and time [17:34] Tuesday, May 24th 2011 16:00 UTC [17:34] See you all there! [17:34] just an fyi, was reported to have been on my flight home. [17:34] err... "JAMES PAGE" was reported to have beeen on that flight. [17:34] smoser: REALLY [17:34] confirmed [17:34] OMG [17:34] Thanks everybody [17:34] #endmeeting [17:34] Meeting finished at 11:34. [17:35] thanks o/ === yofel_ is now known as yofel === itnet7_uds is now known as itnet7 === ghostcube_ is now known as ghostcube [21:04] Hey guys [21:04] I guess we should meet or something [21:04] hey there! [21:04] :) [21:04] #startmeeting [21:04] Meeting started at 15:04. The chair is paultag. [21:04] Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] [21:04] ok ok ok, agenda time [21:05] Nothing on the a-friend-a. [21:05] There's a bit from last week WRT LoCo SWAG, is the most fine Mrs. czajkowski in? [21:06] or if leogg or itnet7, you guys have anything [21:06] Hold on, I need to get a quick link [21:07] I have nothing [21:07] anything new on the swag front? [21:07] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/community-o-lococouncil-plans [21:07] ah, super [21:07] [LINK] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/community-o-lococouncil-plans [21:08] LINK received: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/community-o-lococouncil-plans [21:08] While at UDS-0 I just added this blue print for our cycle's plans [21:08] Oh, my ISO code shin-dig [21:08] itnet7: you rock my socks [21:08] we were asked to do a couple of items, so I had added the ones that I was aware of [21:09] itnet7: awesome. I added that bit about ISO codes [21:09] anyone want to chat about that? [21:09] Yeah, I noticed that [21:09] unclean URLs bug me :) [21:09] I should not have to go to google to find a loco's URL :) [21:09] (or the LD, I'm lazy) [21:09] I do then we should do that... but is there a way to easily migrate them once they have ppa's? [21:10] Or rather if they already have PPA's for the team, I mean? [21:10] itnet7: I have no clue. We should talk with LP about how we can practically set up a migration (and a forward if they could) and make sure the LD can handle it [21:10] Sounds good to me [21:11] leogg: whatcha think? [21:11] paultag, yep, I agree [21:11] radical [21:12] [ACTION] Let's talk with LP about getting LoCo Team team-page's URLs together [21:12] ACTION received: Let's talk with LP about getting LoCo Team team-page's URLs together [21:12] good 'nuf for goverment work [21:13] hello [21:13] * paultag waves to highvoltage [21:14] highvoltage: any ideas? We're just sitting here :) [21:14] figure they pay us by the hour [21:14] I just kind of stumbled in and I'm not even sure which meeting this is [21:14] highvoltage: LoCoCoUnCiL [21:15] It's a ghost-town in here right now [21:15] ideas for the LoCo Team team-page specifically? [21:15] I guess they could all be members of a group called loco-teams [21:15] ~locoteams :) [21:16] there's also ~locoteams-approved, and loco.ubuntu.com [21:16] otherwise I'm vaguely planning on doing some loco stuff in Sherbrooke [21:16] highvoltage: killer! [21:16] highvoltage: yay! [21:16] currently we're kind of dead loco wise and that needs fixing [21:16] * paultag waves to stgraber [21:16] hey paultag [21:16] highvoltage: let us/me know if you need help with anything at all [21:16] stgraber: don't say yay so quick, I'm thinking of a part at our apartment or something when I buy the bbq :) [21:16] *party [21:17] please tell me you're IRCing from the same room [21:17] paultag: almost, he's in the room next to me [21:17] nope, I'm in my office and he's in the open space [21:17] hahaha [21:17] so a good 20s walk from each other [21:17] usually it's less than that though [21:17] or a nice brisk shout [21:18] * highvoltage hasn't had an ubuntu bbq in a long time [21:18] OK, who's doing logs? [21:18] 1,2,3, NOTME! [21:18] well it will be a gas bbq, so no logs [21:19] :p [21:19] :) [21:19] itnet7: leogg: whoever says NOTME first gets to avoid log work :) [21:19] highvoltage: oh you! :) [21:19] not me [21:19] not me [21:19] :-) [21:19] ;) [21:19] highvoltage: I just got that as soon as I typed it :) [21:19] Ahh! Look at that :) [21:19] paultag: oh me? [21:20] OK, anyone have serious loco-council work? [21:20] highvoltage: who me? [21:20] 16:24 < paultag> highvoltage: oh you! :) [21:20] could'nt be! [21:20] says who? [21:20] Going once! [21:20] Twice! [21:20] sold? [21:21] Thrice! [21:21] Sold! [21:21] #endmeeting [21:21] Meeting finished at 15:21. [21:21] highvoltage: P.S. -- ref: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a96TmrxZRXY [21:21] wait, I did not watch that, I hope it's right [21:21] wait, that's so not it [21:21] highvoltage: was good to see you again! and you to stgraber !! [21:21] of course [21:22] I feel like such a lamer, that link is no good [21:22] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0C6cIpkcwdw <-- that's a better one (but not the original) [21:22] itnet7: likewise! [21:22] itnet7: was good seeing you too! had a good flight back home? [21:23] (although next time we should properly hang out) [21:23] stgraber: very good [21:23] highvoltage: yes, especially if you're able to come to Orlando!! [21:24] yeah! [21:25] Oh, my life rules right now. Grades posted (I did well!), new episode of House is on Hulu, and I've got an app in mind :) [21:25] time to zone out [21:26] * highvoltage is also watching House tonight [21:26] highvoltage: ^5 [21:26] paultag: ^5! [21:26] :) [21:26] * DraZoro just started watching house yesterday [21:27] DraZoro: how awesome is it? [21:27] highvoltage: oh right, plenty of TV shows tonight (I didn't watch any of what was on TV yesterday yet) [21:27] DraZoro: the only downside is that you start calling people idiots when you're making a point [21:27] season 4 + 5 ftw. I want to re-watch it some time [21:27] paultag: Dr House is very smart [21:27] highvoltage: truth [21:27] DraZoro: :) [21:27] paultag : I just started with Season 5 .... [21:27] if you combine the worst attributes of paultag, myself and stgraber, then you get House [21:28] DraZoro: there are different people in season 5 then in season 1 :) [21:28] (well he gets the clever parts too) [21:28] paultag: I must get the collection [21:28] highvoltage: Who's the one addicted to vicoden? [21:28] DraZoro: for sure! [21:29] This is nice to see highvoltage and paultag in one room ....:) [21:29] DraZoro: we're bffs [21:29] i decay, my bff highvoltage [21:29] paultag: I don't know, but you can take the vicoden if I can take cuddy [21:29] highvoltage: it's cool, I got 13 [21:30] deal [21:30] :) [21:31] alright, well that about does it. I'll be over in locoteams if anyone wants to keep this going :) [21:31] DraZoro: nice? more like.. dangerous. all of IRC could melt down [21:31] yes, nice locoteams meeting, paultag! [21:31] that was an interesting locoteam meeting :) [21:31] highvoltage: hahaha [21:31] highvoltage: Oh gee, thanks! :) [21:32] *lococouncil [21:32] stgraber: this is why czajkowski hates letting me chair [21:32] :) [21:32] hehe [21:32] highvoltage : Yeah [21:33] cat - > Freenode/#ubuntu-locoteams [21:33] paultag : I tried to read the code for fgdesk then I notice my kunfu on c++ is very basic. [21:34] I still have a lot to learn .... [21:34] DraZoro: it's hard to read because it's some of the worst code I've written in my life :) [21:34] DraZoro: it "works", but not nearly as good as I'd like, the Marble-widget Qt stuff is not really designed to be a GPS [21:34] paultag: I am getting there [21:35] DraZoro: :) let me know if I can help [21:36] paultag: I have not yet compiled it ...I still have to install libqt4-dev or qt3-dev-tools [21:36] paultag: Just that internet is very limited for me ...but I will make a plan [21:36] DraZoro: aye! :) you have to run fg with an enable telnet feature (it uses the socket to talk flight gear with the app) [21:36] LoCo Council meeting? [21:37] DraZoro: I was planning to fix it up after I get some time :) [21:37] MrChrisDruif: is over now [21:37] MrChrisDruif: it was :) [21:37] MrChrisDruif: have something you need? We have the bar until 5:00 [21:37] (my time) [21:37] paultag: Let work more on my coding .....I will be done with exams on 24 May ...from there I will dedicate +- 10 hours on ubuntu work per day [21:37] paultag: If I work hard I might be fixing it :) [21:37] DraZoro: don't burn out! :) -- if you end up fixing up fgdash, I'd be so stoked :) [21:38] * DraZoro is happy his fluxbox is get better [21:38] paultag; I'll assume that is about 20 mins ;) Anyhow, was there any progress in the Dutch LoCo as far as you know? [21:38] Oh wait, whoh [21:38] fbdesk, I thought you meant my little app fgdash [21:38] oh, right right. fbdesk is confusing too, but I did not write that :) [21:38] paultag: I mean fgdash [21:39] Oh, awesome awesome :) [21:39] DraZoro: I'm glad fluxbox is rocking for you [21:39] MrChrisDruif: humm. [21:39]