[00:25] <LjL> today LjL not-so-humbly teaches: how to make a customer happy with a quick google search and without throwing ten factoids at them
[01:32] <rww> Jordan_U: telnet!
[01:32] <rww> IdleOne: nice. happen to know which package it was fixed in?
[01:32]  * rww needs a changelog reference so he can close the bug he opened
[01:40] <rww> ^ troll, +q set
[01:45] <rww> (has been an issue in the past, it seems)
[01:45]  * rww afk
[02:05] <IdleOne> rww: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apturl/+bug/783594
[02:06] <IdleOne> hello kingkong
[02:07] <kingkong> IdleOne: hello :)
[02:07] <IdleOne> How can we help you?
[02:07] <kingkong> here is only help channel?
[02:07] <IdleOne> this channel is for ban resolution
[02:08] <IdleOne> #ubuntu is the support/help channel
[02:08] <IdleOne> #ubuntu-offtopic for chat
[02:09] <kingkong> ok, i'm in them now, thanks :)
[02:09] <IdleOne> sure thing, if you don't mind could you please not idle in this channel.
[02:09] <kingkong> here all of 56 users are ops in #ubuntu channel?
[02:09] <IdleOne> in #ubuntu and other channels yes
[02:10] <kingkong> i see
[02:10] <kingkong> it's too much :)
[02:10] <kingkong> thanks, see you :)
[02:10] <IdleOne> welcome.
[02:22] <IdleOne> new2net: I take offence to that factoid :(
[02:23] <IdleOne> I don't think we need the bot reminding us oldies how old we actually are.
[02:27] <new2net> I didn't mean the earth. I guess I should have been more specific :)
[02:28] <IdleOne> !scope
[02:29] <IdleOne> new2net: chances are that if the factoid isn't helpful/Ubuntu specific it will not be added
[02:29] <new2net> !everything
[02:43] <IdleOne> new2net: Would you mind not idling in here. Thank you.
[02:46] <new2net> k.. i was hoping that I would timeout after all 56 ops and gain control :P i'll leave tho
[02:46] <IdleOne> 90% of the internet would need to shutdown for that to happen
[02:46] <IdleOne> but okie dokie
[02:58] <Pici> yeesh, there are 56 of us here.
[02:58] <Pici> well, 53
[02:58] <IdleOne> with plans to add more
[02:59] <Pici> Thats kind of scary.
[02:59] <IdleOne> we are bigger then a lot of the LoCo channels
[02:59] <Pici> Granted, some of the people here belong to freenode, but still.
[03:09] <elky> Hence just one reason why the no-idling rule is necessary.
[03:27] <rww> IdleOne: thanks
[03:27] <IdleOne> rww: sure thing
[06:06] <Jordan_U> !away > lCH[A]
[08:06] <jussi> Pici: any chance you are still up?
[11:42] <LjL> elky: #gentoo-ops has no no-idling rule and gets on just fine though
[11:42] <Tm_T> it's different
[11:48] <elky> Completely different target audience.
[13:07] <Pici> jussi: I'm up now. Still need me?
[13:07] <jussi> Pici: pm
[14:57] <fujisan> hello,
[14:57] <fujisan> can i get some assistence please?
[14:57] <Pici> Whats the issue?
[14:59] <fujisan> it's a long story, in short: I stood up against borderline racist comments, and then i fell out of grace with the dutch ubuntu-nl-offtopic people, and they were always hostile to me afterwards, because they didn't see it as racism, but you see this is why i hate injustice, and i don't know how to deal with racist comments being made by ubuntu people, which are subsequently ignored by the admin?
[15:00] <fujisan> i sorta went Marther Luther King on them... because i hate racism even if it's borderline
[15:00] <fujisan> that's the worst kind in my opinion
[15:01] <fujisan> i did the right, but i sacrificed a room in which i can chat in my own native language for it...it's sad really
[15:01] <fujisan> it's this whole Geert Wilders mentality, but i won't stand for racism esp. not in ubuntu chatrooms
[15:03] <fujisan> i mean they literally shunned me because i am not on their bandwagon i fell out of grace sorta speak...
[15:03] <fujisan> what do you do when the country you live in turns racist, and you can't even feel safe in an ubuntu chatroom
[15:05] <Pici> I don't see how any of that has to do with this channel.  We manage the core IRC channels here.
[15:05] <fujisan> they violated the ubuntu spirit
[15:05] <fujisan> so i think it has everything to do with it
[15:06] <LjL> #ubuntu-nl is not a core channel. you want #ubuntu-irc to handle this, not #ubuntu-ops
[15:06] <CarlFK> fujisan: people violate it all over the place.  we don't try to control the whole world.
[15:07] <fujisan> so you guys have any advise for me?
[15:08] <fujisan> can i start my own dutch ubuntu channel for instance ?
[15:08] <LjL> fujisan: yes, take it up with the IRC Council, either in #ubuntu-irc or by email, and be sure to have logs to provide
[15:08] <LjL> fujisan: as long as it's not a # channel but a ## channel, you're technically allowed to
[15:08] <fujisan> ok thanks
[15:26] <hypatia> man, that sucks :/
[15:26] <Pici> Hm?
[15:35] <rww> LjL: it's a LoCo channel, I'd have pointed them at the LoCo Council. But that's also because I can't run as easily from members of the IRC Council hunting me down.
[15:36] <tsimpson> actually, they can come to either the IRC or LoCo council, we usually talk to each other about issues happening in LoCo channels
[15:36] <popey> We do!?
[15:36] <popey> I mean, we do.
[15:36] <popey> :)
[15:37] <Pici> And it might be better for it to come from an IRC person since this guy has some history.
[15:37] <tsimpson> well, "we" talk to "them" anyway ;)
[15:37] <popey> heh
[15:37] <Pici> :P
[15:38] <rww> Pici: true
[17:03] <gord> Pici you seem to be channelling the godfather today ;)
[17:04] <IdleOne> Sidewinder1: anything we can help you with?
[17:07] <Sidewinder1> No, not especially; I just wanted to see the discussion between you and nece228 as I completely understand and agree with your position and wanted to give you some polite support, not that you need it.
[17:08] <IdleOne> appreciate it but we normally don't allow onlookers
[17:08] <IdleOne> it makes the other person feel like they are being attacked in some way.
[17:11] <Sidewinder1> OIC. In that case I'm gone. BTW I really appreciate what you and all the other folks do here and on the forums. When I started with Gutsy, I didn't even know any one who knew *nix. I had to learn all myself and the forums were and are invaulable; It was two years later that I discovered these chanels. Sometimes I'm a little slow; bit it's all good. Thank you...Gone
[17:12] <IdleOne> Thank you. :)
[17:13] <Sidewinder1> Side slides IdleOne  another cup of coffee; this time, with sugar. :-)
[17:13] <IdleOne> I think Sidewinder1 is trying to take genii-around's job :)
[17:14] <Sidewinder1> Genii? That went right over my head; not that that's unusual these days. :-(
[17:15] <jussi> shall we continue this in #ubuntu-offtopic?
[17:15] <IdleOne> genii is our resident coffee maker/giver
[17:15] <IdleOne> jussi: right :)
[17:16] <Sidewinder1> Bye, and thanks...
[18:07]  * Pici rolls eyes
[19:18] <guntbert> hi, iEatChildren in #ubuntu refuses to change the nick (in PM: not happenign)
[19:23] <guntbert> hmm - noone around?
[19:23] <Tm_T> I am, but unfortunately not having time to do anything useful ):
[19:24] <guntbert> Tm_T: its not that urgent either, but that nick bothers me
[19:25] <guntbert> talked to him in PM....
[19:31] <IdleOne> not sure what else to do but remove them from the channel. Not sure that is the best solution though.
[19:33] <IdleOne> guntbert: is this something you can overlook? I mean besides the nick possibly being disturbing he didn't break any rules.
[19:33] <IdleOne> if you honestly feel they need to either change nick or be removed I am willing to do so.
[19:39] <IdleOne> Anybody else has a suggestion/comment on the nick please feel free to weigh in :)
[19:40] <charlie-tca> I would say it is not in the right spirit. The only thing missing is the actual foul language words
[19:41] <IdleOne> Going to let it be for now.
[19:43] <Pici> I don't think this is the first time that we've had this conversation about this nick.
[19:43] <IdleOne> I don't remember this specific nick
[19:43] <IdleOne> most recent was FatherBadTouch iirc
[19:45] <IdleOne> which also happens to be in z#u
[19:45] <IdleOne> -z
[19:45] <guntbert> sorry, people for the idling - necessities drove me from the computer
[19:45] <IdleOne> no problem
[19:46] <guntbert> if you are to let it lie - so will I
[19:47] <IdleOne> guntbert: I am not sure what to do about it. This is why I am asking for others opinions also
[19:49] <guntbert> my idea would have been that someone with ops hat talk to him - but I can understand if you don't ...
[19:49] <IdleOne> I did ask him to change the nick
[19:49] <LjL> honestly the nickname doesn't seem so terrible to me
[19:49] <Pici> Me either. /shrug
[19:49] <LjL> but then i've always been on the cautious side about policing nicknames
[19:50] <guntbert> then I may have been over reacting - no harsh feelings on my side :)
[19:51] <guntbert> have as nice a time as is possible around full moon
[19:51] <IdleOne> heh
[20:10] <Pici> that was new.
[20:12] <LjL> Pici: well it's still the compiz exploit, will add that site to the bots
[20:14] <Pici> LjL: The long apt url one?
[20:14] <LjL> Pici: yes
[20:14] <LjL> Pici: should have added the unvalidatedinput site in the first place, since i knew the other sites were calling stuff from there
[20:16] <Pici> LjL: Was this in the wild before the bug was filed?
[20:18] <LjL> Pici: i don't know, it started happening the night before the last
[20:18] <LjL> that i saw anyway
[20:18] <Pici> :/
[20:19] <LjL> Pici: popey, someone from ##club and i had some fun trying to understand what was going on with those sites
[20:19] <Pici> Did UndiFineD talk to anyone about their survey?
[20:19]  * LjL has no idea about that
[20:20] <Pici> LjL: ah. I downloaded it with curl and noticed the huge url there.
[20:21] <LjL> Pici: i opened it in my browser and accepted to install whatever apt: thing it offered, because i'm reckless :P
[20:21] <LjL> but it does nothing on Chromium
[20:36] <rww> It's not a very good exploit, imho. A whole bunch of things need to be aligned properly for it to actually do anything bad.
[20:36] <rww> Plus it's, you know, fixed.
[20:37] <Pici> Not in oneiric!
[20:37] <rww> anyone who didn't learn their lesson after natty deserves what they get O:)
[20:37] <IdleOne> :(
[20:45] <IdleOne> @mark #ubuntu bin_bash warned about language multiple times.
[20:45] <Pici> IdleOne: I already told erealz earlier that #ubuntu was for support only.
[20:57] <Pici> UndiFineD: Howdy.  Do you think you could just explain what you've been doing and the goals etc. of your link.
[20:57] <UndiFineD> yes, I can
[20:57] <Pici> jussi: Do you have a moment for this?
[20:57] <UndiFineD> I get lots of pokes, so .. hold on for a sec
[20:59] <UndiFineD> The ubuntu advertisement team, is trying to do some research among the community, to help promote ubuntu better for new users. http://ubuntuadverts.org/ https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuAdverts
[21:01] <UndiFineD> we are in the process of creating several campaigns and we need to target them well
[21:02] <Pici> topyli: do you have a minute?
[21:03] <LjL> is this the same campaign that another marketing team member, i don't remember who, was promoting in #u/-ot a little while ago?
[21:03] <LjL> someone, somewhere, in some way, for some reason. clear enough?
[21:05] <topyli> Pici: sure
[21:06] <topyli> Pici: note: i'm back from a party, so don't expect executive decisions :)
[21:06] <LjL> topyli: can i be +F everywhere?
[21:06] <topyli> wheeeeee why the hell not!
[21:06] <LjL> :D
[21:06] <topyli> (not)
[21:07] <UndiFineD> :)
[21:08] <Pici> topyli: I'm just looking for input or a blessing on UndiFineD asking people to fill out a survey in our channels.
[21:08] <topyli> yes i see the backlog now
[21:08] <IdleOne> maybe we can add a link to the topic
[21:08] <UndiFineD> that would be cool
[21:09] <IdleOne> instead of "spamming"
[21:09] <UndiFineD> we are in #ubuntu-adverts btw
[21:10] <Pici> Anyway, I need to depart. I just wanted to make sure that everything was "okay" so we wouldn't have any issues later.
[21:10] <LjL> Pici: farewell
[21:10] <topyli> looks cool to me
[21:10] <Pici> I shall return at some later time.
[21:12] <topyli> the channel looks well handled also
[21:12] <UndiFineD> thank you
[21:12] <LjL> i'm sort of uneasy about advertizing anything in #ubuntu, tbh
[21:12] <UndiFineD> LjL, thats why i did not do it there :)
[21:13] <UndiFineD> too crowded anyway
[21:13] <topyli> i would probably ask the CC about the coolness of this though
[21:13] <UndiFineD> mattgriffin works for canonical
[21:13] <topyli> canonical is not ubuntu :)
[21:13] <UndiFineD> no true
[21:13] <LjL> my personal thought is it'd be fine to drop a line in #ubuntu-offtopic, and maybe set a topic there
[21:13] <UndiFineD> but we have their blessing in helping us
[21:14] <LjL> although the regulars there would jump at it but who cares :P
[21:14] <topyli> the regulars will of course protest, but i think it's worth it
[21:14] <LjL> topyli: and i will lead the protest!
[21:15] <IdleOne> LjL: I will start making signs
[21:15] <topyli> #ubuntu probably doesn't need it, those are people who already have ubuntu (and problems with it). -offtopic has people who might want to help
[21:16] <UndiFineD> I am about to celebrate, the first 500 responses are there any moment now
[21:16] <LjL> agreed. although in the topic would still be better than in the channel, but my fear is that of creating a precedent and then "why did you let Canonical do this but not XYZ company [owned by me]"
[21:16] <IdleOne> because Canonical pays us!
[21:17] <IdleOne> How much is XYZ Inc. willing to pay?
[21:17] <topyli> i don't think it's a big problem putting canonical above other companies in this matter
[21:17] <UndiFineD> who is being paid ?
[21:17] <topyli> (personal opinion)
[21:17] <IdleOne> topyli: I agree
[21:18] <IdleOne> UndiFineD: not me.
[21:18] <LjL> so if i send you €1 will you put my ad on #ubuntu? :P
[21:18] <UndiFineD> :)
[21:18] <IdleOne> LjL: Adv. packages start at €500
[21:18] <topyli> LjL: if you send everyon in #ubuntu €1, we'll see again :)
[21:19] <LjL> boo. anyway http://goo.gl/9bdKf is the survey we're talking about right?
[21:19] <UndiFineD> same thing yes
[21:21] <topyli> actually that survey is something that *might* be better in #ubuntu. its audience is not in -offtopic
[21:21] <LjL> nobody in -offtopic uses ubuntu :P
[21:22] <topyli> yeah
[21:22] <topyli> and most of those who do, have used it for years. they can't even answer the questions :)
[21:22] <UndiFineD> well, that is one thing I am already seeing, lots of windows and mac osx users
[21:23] <LjL> there are a few new users coming into -ot though as being redirected
[21:23] <LjL> anyway if you need space in the #ubuntu topic, feel free to remove my "Please keep questions/answers on one line, and address the recipient", i only intended for that to stay a bit after release time
[21:23] <topyli> yes, and many stay. it's not as bad as we like to make it seem
[21:24] <LjL> topyli: lies, it's terrible!
[21:24] <topyli> the #ubuntu topic is a pretty expensive estate, it's *full*
[21:24] <UndiFineD> do you think ubuntu is terrible or -ot ?
[21:24] <LjL> even i am only using Ubuntu because i'm busy mining bitcoins, otherwise i have Debian installed ready to try :P
[21:24] <LjL> UndiFineD: we're talking about -ot :)
[21:24] <LjL> UndiFineD: and we don't *really* think that either (least i don't)
[21:25] <topyli> UndiFineD: -ot is basically the whining channel :)
[21:25] <LjL> i can actually hear the channel whine at times
[21:25] <UndiFineD> yeah I am hardly found on -ot channels
[21:25] <topyli> it's a way of life!
[21:26] <UndiFineD> no, the other 60 keep me busy enough ;)
[21:26] <LjL> @random ubuntu-topic ubuntu-offtopic-topic
[21:26] <topyli> UndiFineD: i forgot. what do you actually need? permission to spam the topic with the survey link?
[21:27] <LjL> (topyli is drunk)
[21:27] <UndiFineD> well, I expected bad news, so you make me happy with anything
[21:27] <Flannel> UndiFineD: There a time period/expiry to this? Only for a week or whatnot?
[21:27] <topyli> yeah, i shouldn't make decisions
[21:27] <UndiFineD> Flannel, I am hoping for 12.000 responses
[21:28] <UndiFineD> so that might take a while
[21:28] <Flannel> So are we leaving it up until you get 12000 responses? or are you collecting as many as you can in a month, and then calling it off?
[21:28] <LjL> what about !Poll? we ask users not to make polls in the channel, but then it turns out the channel itself has a poll.
[21:28] <UndiFineD> but to have is in a toopic somewhere for some time is great
[21:28] <Flannel> LjL: It's a bit different.  Things like this have been done in the past, although never actually in #u
[21:29] <topyli> i'm personally fine with replacing LjL's "don't flood" bit with a link to the poll, for some specified period of time
[21:29] <topyli> LjL: !poll is different
[21:29] <IdleOne> this is an actual Ubuntu team poll
[21:30] <topyli> yeah
[21:30] <LjL> *shrug*
[21:30] <IdleOne> not random person poll
[21:30] <Flannel> UndiFineD: I think it'd probably go better if you went back to your team, you all discussed how long this was going to stay open (12000 is an order of magnitude more than #u, so it's not going ot happen from that alone), based on your polling experiences and what makes sense from a polling perspective
[21:30] <UndiFineD> we started promoting it, when mark said he wanted to go to 200 mil, with the current estimated 12 mil users, having 12.000 responses to it would be great
[21:30] <Flannel> UndiFineD: That is, decide what you want, what makes sense, etc, and we can work to accommodate that within reason.
[21:31] <topyli> i would also like to define a period in time rather than success
[21:31] <Flannel> UndiFineD: 12 million users, not 12 million people in #ubuntu (which currently has 1700)
[21:32] <Flannel> I'd hazard a guess that 10% of those are active, the others are idling, and that 50% of the active people actually read the topic.
[21:32] <UndiFineD> very true
[21:33] <UndiFineD> I think we all would be happy with a week. I will stay around and keep you guys updated on it ok ?
[21:33] <Flannel> I'm not trying to discourage you, but most polls are collected over a distinct period of time, so that you have a better sample rather than just dragging on forever.
[21:33] <LjL> UndiFineD: while we're talking about polls perhaps i might go shameless-plug mode myself and point you people out to something i have? namely, BestBot in #ubuntu-bots is a poll bot that we direct people who want to do random polling to. it lets people vote for the "best" package in a certain category (like, what's the best word processor), although it can also be set to work for non-packages. just thought it might be of interest somehow.
[21:34] <UndiFineD> LjL, cool !
[21:34] <Flannel> (In addition, this time period usually coincides with the rest of the campaign, so if you're doing it on the forums, planet, etc, they'd all be the same period of time)
[21:34] <Flannel> That way you hit as many eyeballs as you can, and then go off to crunch your numbers
[21:35] <UndiFineD> Flannel, I think you are right, my team should cut it off at some time, but right now I am spreading the news here and there to see its impact on the numbers
[21:38] <UndiFineD> The other campaigns are being created right now, I hope the others will come up with great things too, from which you should hear pretty soon
[21:38] <Flannel> UndiFineD: I understand, but if we wind up sticking a trial balloon in #u, you won't get as good of results once the 'real' campaign starts, you're better off priming everything and maybe even just saying "It's the week of May 22 through 29" or "The entire month of June" (or whatever you actually decide is appropriate), and then when that starts, all the players just do it (with a reminder, of course :)
[21:38] <popey> UndiFineD: has it been mentioned on planet ubuntu?
[21:38] <UndiFineD> popey, I dont think so
[21:39] <popey> right, well thats a massive fail.
[21:39] <Flannel> UndiFineD: That's why I suggest you get all your ducks in a row, right up a wikipage about it or something (because some people will be interested in learning more, besides just the poll it self), and then come back and we can help you out :)
[21:39] <popey> _loads_ of people read that
[21:39] <Flannel> s/right/write/
[21:39] <popey> the irc community is tiny compared to the number of people who read planet ubuntu
[21:39] <UndiFineD> hmmm
[21:40] <topyli> UndiFineD: i would have to agree with Flannel, you should focus on a period of time and attack on all fronts during that
[21:40] <Flannel> UndiFineD: again, not trying to discourage, but to help you get more meaningful results, go talk these things through with your team, do some prep work, and we'll be happy to do our part.
[21:41] <UndiFineD> ok I will
[21:41] <popey> happy to give it a metion on the podcast too - we have ~10000 listeners or so
[21:41] <LjL> UndiFineD: and pay bitcoins to people filling in the poll :P
[21:41]  * LjL already filled it in, bleh :(
[21:41] <topyli> UndiFineD: the irc team will help you i'm sure
[21:42] <LjL> i could make BestBot spam a bit about it after people ask for something
[21:42] <LjL> after all, they get to poll bot, bot gets to poll them - seems fair :P
[21:42] <topyli> yep :)
[21:42] <LjL> UndiFineD: what link should i use for doing that?
[21:43] <UndiFineD> I am using: http://bit.ly/lZk5xw
[21:43] <UndiFineD> for http://bit.ly/lZk5xw+
[21:43] <LjL> UndiFineD: curiosity, do you keep track of how many users clicked on the poll link but didn't complete it?
[21:44] <topyli> good data point
[21:44] <UndiFineD> yes we do
[21:44] <UndiFineD> unless they went direct
[21:44] <LjL> ok. i was going to suggest goo.gl did that for you but in that case, that doesn't matter
[21:44] <LjL> !register
[21:44]  * popey retweets it
[21:45] <UndiFineD> thank you popey :)
[21:45] <Flannel> UndiFineD: So, are you not taking a step back to collect yourselves beforehand?
[21:45] <Flannel> (since if you are, popey shouldn't cry wolf)
[21:46] <UndiFineD> no I know popey :) and I would not want to waste these results
[21:46] <UndiFineD> they are pretty interesting already
[21:48] <UndiFineD> I just got 501
[21:48] <LjL> probably me :P
[21:48] <UndiFineD> \o/
[21:50] <UndiFineD> now I am have a meeting in 10 mins
[21:56] <topyli> UndiFineD: the thing itself is fine by me, i don't think you need the ircc's permission. do a good campaign and ask the #ubuntu ops for help with the topic :)
[21:56] <UndiFineD> thanks
[21:59] <topyli> UndiFineD: btw don't forget to /part before you go to the meeting, idling here is not a good idea :)
[21:59] <topyli> join again when you want to talk
[22:00] <UndiFineD> alright bbl
[22:00] <LjL> don't you feel bad when you do that
[22:00] <topyli> very
[22:00] <LjL> if i'm chosen as an op i refuse to tell people to leave here ;(
[22:01] <topyli> it's not so bad. it's like explaining a law of nature to somebody
[22:02] <topyli> "no sam, you can't jump that far"
[22:02] <LjL> "yes, seveas is evil, don't mind him"
[22:02] <topyli> similar yes
[22:05] <mneptok> there is no Santa Claus. get out of our channel.
[22:06]  * mneptok meits a high-pitched metallic whine and disintegrates
[22:06] <mneptok> "emits," too
[22:06] <LjL> *"emits", too
[22:07] <LjL> [23:07:15] <Sidewinder1> I think it was Mr. George Bernard Shaw that said, "The Americans and the British are two peoples, separated by a common language."...
[22:12] <rww> LjL: You're already an op, hence you having +v in here ;P
[22:12] <rww> I think I told someone to /part once.
[22:13] <LjL> rww: #ubuntu-bots doesn't count ;(
[22:13] <rww> LjL: I said that, but they let you in anyway.
[22:13] <LjL> rww: you said that? :(
[22:13] <rww> no
[22:13] <rww> well yes, but only jokingly and not to IRCC ;P
[22:14] <LjL> rww: i will hate you forever
[22:14] <LjL> rww: wastrel-forever
[22:14] <rww> LjL: I love you too
[22:14] <rww> mc44-love
[22:14] <LjL> so no love :(
[22:15] <rww> LjL: I don't believe in it!
[22:15] <rww> also, I vaguely scrolled through the scrollback and don't have an issue with putting a survey link in #ubuntu-offtopic's topic, but I don't think it'd do much good ;P
[22:17] <LjL> what other operating systems do you use? AmigaOS
[22:17] <LjL> what do you mainly use your computer for? porn
[22:17] <rww> I haven
[22:17] <rww> 't actually clicked on the link, but apparently it's okay!
[22:17] <rww> quality opping there rww
[22:17]  * rww does
[22:17] <rww> what Ubuntu was 4 years ago
[22:18] <rww> 6.10? edgy I guess?
[22:18] <LjL> rww: learn from me, i even click on obviously gnaa links!
[22:18] <LjL> !6.10
[22:18] <rww> no, 11.04 - 4... 7.04!
[22:18] <rww> !7.04
[22:18] <rww> more than four years!
[22:19] <rww> okay, never mind, it has a Gender field that reinforces the gender binary so I hate it forever.
[22:22] <LjL> :|
[22:23] <rww> and by hate it forever I mean EMAIL TIME
[22:23] <LjL> rww: or you could just go to -marketing and tell them...
[22:25] <LjL> rww: no #ubuntu-adverts he said