[00:00] i have no problems supporting the supporters, i just don’t trust any one with my files, sosupportr no support [00:04] u must not of heard about sony and their saga [00:06] databases can be breached with enough effort and all that data in one place is just asking for it [00:07] i would never put anything i cared about on the cloud [00:07] apart from anything else it's unnecessary - i know how to run my own server [00:07] but people do [00:07] yeah i know [00:08] syncing is different though [00:08] if it's so secret it's not going on a netbook that can get stolen either [00:10] lol, nothing is bullet proof, its all about risk management [00:11] exactly [00:12] the real lesson that is to be learned from sony is that when you buy digital media with drm, it can be taken away at any time and without warning, no matter how much backups you do [00:13] i guarantee you that any DRM media you buy today will stop working long before the equivalent physical product [00:14] lol, don’t get me started on sony, its pass my bed time, to all a good night [00:21] :/ [00:23] ? [00:23] just DRM [00:23] :/ [00:24] fair enough [01:00] time for bed, goodnight all [03:25] [Jono Bacon] Explaining UDS Sponsorship - http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/05/17/explaining-uds-sponsorship/ [06:53] lSolution [06:53] hmmm === DevilSolution_ is now known as DevilSolution [07:27] Morning === daubers_ is now known as daubers [07:46] moo [07:53] morning all [07:53] * AlanBell is off to the cabinet office again today [08:20] Morning all [08:28] morning DJones - I was thinking about those swanky holidays you sell - what discount are you offering for ubuntu-uk peeps? :P [08:29] I think 40% would be reasonable [08:29] Morning everyone. [08:30] Just reading about Groklaw 2.0 and how ~20% of the EU's GDP is ICT related... [08:30] http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20110515173831922 [08:33] morning all [08:35] danfish: 40% off would still be way beyond my earning capeability on a $40-50000/week holiday, I'd need a salary nearer to the footballers/football managers/tv presenters & national shopping chain owners, so if I can't have a decent discount, there's none available for anybody else :) [08:37] DJones: heh - you can only ask :) [08:38] 40-50000 on a holiday is just plain nuts [08:38] danfish: This is true, there's not much you get without asking [08:39] danfish: The customers we've got that pay that sort of money can afford it, its less than a weeks wages for them [08:40] there's something rather wrong with that I feel, but that's for the politics channels [08:43] Agreed, just worked it out going on news reports on the web about one guys salary, $50,000 would be two days wages (before tax) and assuming he's got the ususal tax advisors, he won't be paying much of that [08:45] rather than a politics channel, I'd put that discussion in a #I've_got_little_academic_qualifications_but_I_can_kick_a_bag_of_ wind_around channel [08:47] * TheOpenSourcerer fondly remembers his Honeymoon and when he could afford to use Relais & Chateau as his hotel guide. [08:47] * DJones would remember his honeymoon if it wasn't for the litre of tequila drunk on the last night [08:48] DJones: we went here for a few days after Tanzania: http://www.mnemba.com/ [08:48] Awesome. [08:48] TheOpenSourcerer: That looks great [08:48] that's looks rather nice :) [08:48] 11 years ago it was $1k a night. [08:49] each. [08:49] I god food poisoning on my honeymoon and spent the 16hr flight back on the toilet :( [08:49] That is all inclusive mind you. [08:50] Even better pictures: http://www.mnemba-island.com/ [08:51] Ahh - now it's $1.5k [08:51] We went to Cancun, similar sort of view, was a brilliant place about 20 miles outside the town centre, nothing around [08:52] Bali - before the bombing [08:53] When we went to Tanzania it was only a week after the Embassy in Dar-es-salam was bombed. [08:54] This year it's a (probably wet) week near Bridport in Dorzet [08:55] danfish: Ours will be a week or two in the caravan in the middle of nowhere with nothing to do except rest, read, walk the dog and relax [08:56] DJones: what about the internets - shurely you must have the internets? [08:56] morning all! :) o/ [08:56] danfish: 3G if needed, although quite a few sites have wifi [08:59] Hi selinuxium [08:59] Mine will be a field with some very drunk friends and metal music for a whole week... [08:59] Hi TheOpenSourcerer :) [08:59] TheOpenSourcerer, I am playing with vTiger atm... : [08:59] :) [09:00] Our holiday consists of Mrs TheOpenSourcerer taking the kids camping in France then me joining them for a few days in Paris. [09:00] hey TheOpenSourcerer [09:00] Hi nigelb [09:00] selinuxium: I'm just estimating some work on vtiger at the mo. [09:00] That reminds me I need to decide when & where to go [09:01] looks powerful, just need to work out the glue... :) [09:01] TheOpenSourcerer: tres bon! <--- limit of my french [09:02] TheOpenSourcerer: So your holiday is while Mrs TheOpenSourcerer is camping with the kids :) [09:02] DJones: Correct. [09:02] I get to go to the pub every evening :-D [09:02] And eat Curry [09:03] Bliss... [09:03] And watch TV and have loud music [09:05] TheOpenSourcerer: your wife should be nominated for sainthood ;) [09:05] Yeah danfish She is really good to me... [09:06] Mostly. [09:06] And the kids. [09:06] Anyway - must get on. Lots to do and concetration required. [09:09] * DJones trys to decide whether to go North or South with the caravan, Option 1 Scotland/Cumbria weather seems quite a bit cooler, Option 2 south of the country, weather warmer & drier [09:10] * TheOpenSourcerer feels that anyone with a caravan should be banned from travelling during the summer months, [09:11] DJones, I love Cumbria... but then I live in Southend, so have sun and water (in English quantities) [09:11] moin [09:11] er, mornin all ;-) [09:12] selinuxium: yeah, I like Cumbria, but I've always found the weather is that bit cooler and wetter, probably go south and find somewhere with 5-10 mile walks for the dog [09:13] Its always better walking a dog when its dry, a wet dog in a caravan isn't the best thing to have [09:13] hello all [09:13] DJones, http://www.walkingclub.org.uk/book_2/walk_28/index.shtml [09:14] DJones, you don't get much more south without getting wet.. [09:15] bodmin moor is a favourite place of mine for walks etc [09:15] i have an energetic doggy [09:15] selinuxium: That looks a useful website, I'll bookmark that [09:16] DJones, :) [09:16] I like Yorkshire/Derbyshire Dales with the dog, really good walks [09:16] DJones: bakewell has some good walks and hills :D [09:16] and tarts [09:16] oimon, Chasing the ponies? :) [09:16] Everyone likes a tart.. [09:17] selinuxium: yeah :D those wild ponies are great [09:17] selinuxium: When I was walking the dog the other day, 3 horses & riders went past & the dog was looking at them wanting to go and play [09:17] popey: puddings from bakewell, say tarts and you'll get shot :) [09:17] why did i send that to popey ? [09:17] :D [09:19] driving around cornwall makes me feel like i'm in an episode of postman pat [09:19] :) [09:21] I quite fancy somewhere in teh costwalds area [09:24] I remember driving around the south west years ago and having great fun going down a 1-in-3 hill somewhere with an escape route for cars with breaking problems [09:24] porlock hill? [09:24] oimon: sounds like the one, yeah [09:25] dwatkins: going up it in a 1300cc golf with 5 men in the car was a bit scary [09:25] I can well imagine, oimon. [09:25] 'the UK's steepest A-road' [09:25] would be more confident nowadays as i have a diesel that could probably drive itself up [09:25] I guess there are steeper B-roads, ostensibly [09:25] * dutchie gets to do his first long drive this summer [09:26] worcester -> torquay [09:26] it's an A road because you shout AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAh all the way [09:26] oimon: who are you? Clarkson? :) [09:26] MartijnVdS: lol, clarkson hates diesels :) [09:26] oimon: he would shout "AAAAAAAAAAh" on A roads though [09:26] although i'd vote him for MP [09:28] not for his politics but for his ability to cut through the crap to talk common sense when people are dithering [09:29] porlock hill? [09:29] One of my old man's lorries took a nasty fall down there once. [09:29] (Needless to say, it was another idiot driving it, not him) [09:29] lorry? must have a death wish [09:29] Young, stupid. Was "only" a small lorry. [09:29] Oddly enough the brakes went and weee... Roll. [09:29] we were on a lads holiday in minehead and drove to porlock hill just for the crack :) [09:30] Minehead? You poor sod :p [09:30] i think it was an event at butlins [09:30] i was young... [09:30] Yeaah.. I've been there. Used to go for the fairground. [09:31] Years and years ago [09:31] although i went to bognor more recently for a weekend...a bit better [09:31] Anywhere but Minehead :) [09:31] It's as rough as anything if you stray outside the family bits. [09:32] Last time I went to Minehead I was 10 months old, did I miss anything? [09:32] Nooope. [09:32] Don't go back ;D [09:32] Same goes for Tiverton. [09:32] But there's not even a Butlins there, so even less reason to visit. [09:32] oh :( [09:32] i'm going on holiday near there lol [09:33] Nice road from Tiverton to Exeter.. That's about the only reason to drive through :p [09:33] Tommeh: A group of us are due to go to Butlins at Minehead next April [09:33] i'm actually gong a few miles west of tiverton - intentionally in the middle of nowhere [09:33] oimon: where my parent's live, or thereabouts. [09:33] no wonder it was cheap ;) [09:34] Cheap to stay: there's naff-all there ;) [09:34] DJones: it may have gotten better. I could well be jaded by the state of nights out around Minehead. [09:34] Tommeh: http://www.google.com/maps/ms?ptab=2&ie=UTF8&oe=UTF8&t=h&msa=0&msid=112619599761742333476.000472d646d8c5f58c282 [09:34] I think I'd rather go to Aviemore if it's that rough in Minehead. ;) [09:35] oimon: Ahh.. They live directly north of the A361 from there -- the Oldways End area. [09:35] Tommeh: the intention is not to do much, we will be taking a newborn and a 1 1/2 yr old and some bikes [09:35] Nice and scenic up there.. Nearly on Exmoor by that point. But genuinely nothing of interest bar scenary :p [09:36] Fair play :) [09:36] went to island of portland last year - best views in UK IMHO [09:36] 12 hours later, badblocks is on 52% :( [09:37] Tommeh: mind you, i live in London and crazy people come here for a holiday [09:37] Yes, crazy people. :/ [09:37] i want to leave the crowds [09:37] Goin to the right place then I guess :) [09:37] Growing up around there was a social nightmare. [09:37] i bet lol [09:37] Hence I live in the centre of Manchester now ;D [09:37] i studied in Manc [09:37] 3 yrs [09:37] I love it me. [09:38] Wish I'd studied here instead of Stafford :/ [09:38] rained a lot [09:38] Microclimate.. Literally rains more than anywhere else. [09:38] heh my best mate studied at S.O.T. [09:38] Damn him! [09:38] All the girls were on the Stoke campus :'( [09:38] Stafford was just Engineers and geeks. [09:38] yeah thats true [09:39] i lived in dirty fallowfield in manc thoug [09:39] filthy place [09:39] Least it wasn't Moss Side ;p [09:39] true [09:39] didn't get mugged or burgled so thats a bonus [09:40] DJones, http://www.sallyscottages.co.uk/pet-friendly-cottages I stayed at Bank Barn cottage... was lovely.. [09:40] Stafford was rough in places. Small town syndrome for the most part. House I lived in got the back door kicked in.. For a Nintendo DS and some DVDs. [09:40] Still, got us a new back door. [09:41] (Which didn't have gaps in it) [09:41] my back door is made out of glass, good luck kicking that in! [09:43] selinuxium: Thinking about a site in Exmoor at the minute [09:45] Good morning all! [09:48] mornin [10:02] hurm, random pondering [10:02] a bit of me would like to see the menu bar become fully opaque (if you have transparency on) if you maximise a window, otherwise it looks silly [10:03] I only say that because firefox and open office look weird maximised [10:03] I just disable the global menu bits [10:04] though everything else looks fine [10:04] also, maybe a simple lock button for the dock... [10:04] so I can lock it open from time to time [10:07] Mmm, speaking of unity menus, I've got this weird blue corner going on: http://avi.co/stuff/blue-corner.png [10:08] that means that *something* wants your attention [10:08] hah, handy [10:08] BigRedS: Are you using X-chat [10:08] oooh, it's gone away [10:08] DJones: nah [10:08] it bugs me that you can't tell which one it is without clicking on ever app [10:08] wonder what I focused through [10:09] hm, thunderbird, firefox and terminator as far as I can tell... [10:09] BigRedS: Its normally if something has highlighted you, the one I know does it is xchat, maybe empathy/evolution [10:09] http://askubuntu.com/questions/38950/when-do-things-in-the-new-unity-panel-turn-blue [10:11] Ah, so I might've opened something but not yet focussed on it, too [10:11] still, there's really not much going on on my desktop... I'm a bit amused by that as a notification, though [10:12] Heh, makes me think of a group of kids, Me, Me, Me, Me, Me, Me [10:13] DJones: I think you've found the definition of a group of computer nerds :P [10:13] haha, yeah, though I kinda like the button-popping-out-of-the-side thing [10:34] * oimon loves live migration [10:34] AKA vmotion [10:44] FYI http://www.ukuug.org/events/opentech2011/ [10:44] OpenTech 2011 is an informal, low cost, one-day conference on slightly different approaches to technology, transport and democracy. Talks by people who work on things that matter, guarantees a day of thoughtful talks leading to conversations with friends [11:22] good morning everyone. [11:23] * czajkowski stabs davmor2 [11:24] morning all [11:24] morning andylockran [11:24] considering setting up an ubuntu instance on aws - anyone done this and know the costs? [11:26] * davmor2 walks over and hugs czajkowski mostly cause if I have to die I want to annoy her one more time, covered in blood and me a dead weight clinging to her :D [11:27] aww missed you too davmor2 [11:27] suresht: :D/me hugs czajkowski and davmor2 [11:27] oops [11:27] * MooDoo hugs czajkowski and davmor2 [11:27] MooDoo: D'oh [11:27] there we go happy family [11:28] czajkowski: prod, just coz i've missed you :) [11:29] davmor2: hows it going me ole china? [11:29] Where is the love, eh? [11:30] selinuxium: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpYeekQkAdc [11:30] MooDoo: sound as a round pound on the ground [11:30] MooDoo: you? [11:30] selinuxium: it's right here baby :) [said in austin powers voice] [11:30] czajkowski, :) [11:31] davmor2: rockin lad ;) [11:31] MooDoo, czajkowski: Mwah! [11:31] lovely conversation :D [11:31] Ugh, in a conference call with software suppliers who have just made a big play on the fact that their software is "point & click" [11:31] * czajkowski is looking forward to friday for MRI [11:32] not bad request sent off 2 weeks ago, apoinment in farnham on Friday [11:32] selinuxium: have you not figured out yet we love to hate each other, but if anyone else tries woe betide them! [11:32] davmor2: your right it's love hate, i love czajkowski she hates me ;) [11:33] lol [11:34] :) [11:34] :D === Hornet- is now known as Hornet [11:48] yay my aspire revo just arrived [11:48] :) [11:49] new revo or old revo? [11:50] (is it white or black) [11:50] gord: black [11:50] D3700 [11:50] R3700 [11:51] ah, that one looked a bit expensive for me [11:51] £185 [11:51] i say "my" revo, but i got it for work purposes [11:51] to run firefox on a display screen [11:52] ah no that's not the one i was thinking of, didn't know they did the more standard ones in black [11:53] sweet, they even gave me a keyboard [11:53] and a copy of webroot software :S [11:53] the most useful keyboard in the world (tm) [11:54] popey: where is the hash key on a mac :s [11:54] czajkowski: alt + 3 [11:54] ohh [11:54] stupid keyboard [11:55] thanks MooDoo [11:55] czajkowski: welcome [11:55] MooDoo: that was useful and everything what have you done with the real MooDoo? [11:56] davmor2: creeping to czajkowski in the hope she'll forget i owe her a beer for the rugby thumping she gave me [11:56] davmor2: well ireland gave englad [11:57] MooDoo: now I understand how czajkowski put her back out celebrating the fact that you owed her a drink [11:57] davmor2: glad she's miles away ;) [12:11] this revo seems to come with linpus linux: doesn't accept "special characters" in the password...nice start [12:15] hehe [12:15] yeah no, linpus doesn't last long on anyones revo ;) [12:15] susprising given it originates from china iirc [12:15] which revo is it oimon ? [12:15] r3700 [12:15] the dual core jobbie, nice [12:15] black isnt it? [12:15] popey: will lucid be OK on it, or would u put natty on? [12:16] both should be fine [12:16] my mum had lucid on hers [12:16] the one i have upstairs is dual core but the same case as my single core one, was kinda weird, was expecting single core [12:16] i have maverick on mine [12:16] it's for a display screen - i will turn on security updates but nothing else [12:17] linpus using gnome 2.20 , looks like the xandros eee pc setup [12:17] anyone else feeling really happy! [12:17] talk about mixed environment computing - running 4 screens with 3 computers + Synergy FTW! [12:17] so there's no prob with the nvidia card or wireless with lucid? then lucid it is [12:17] OSX, ubuntu & win7 [12:18] no just need to figure out firefox and kiosk mode [12:18] . /usr/bin/byobu-reconnect-sockets [12:20] decided to re-connect my landline phone for some reason, instantly started getting automated spamvertisements on it :( [12:21] gord: i hate those [12:21] although if you want to shout at someone i think they say press 0 to talk to operator [12:21] except for one the other day which said press # to unsubscribe :( [12:22] i have never let one get past "Please do not ha" [12:22] then who do you rant at? [12:22] the dog? [12:23] pent-up frustration is a killer :P [12:23] that's why i go to watch football [12:25] i work in open source, if i let things get at me - i would of quit years ago ;) [12:27] or forked.. [13:28] popey: check the specs of this monitor - better than the LG one and cheaper http://uk.insight.com/en-gb/productinfo/monitors/SAMQB2240 [13:28] o/ sladen [13:29] thats sweet [13:29] sladen: what is the status of the onboard updates? I know upstream are working on more theme support, not sure what happened to the update for Natty? [13:46] AlanBell: nothing [13:46] AlanBell: (in the end) [13:47] AlanBell: but at UDS there was a great desire to polish this for O [13:59] q [14:05] "onboard updates"? === daubers_ is now known as daubers [14:05] daubers: onboard = on-screen keyboard [14:05] Ah, ok [14:08] Afternoon all [14:08] will 12.04 be a penguin? [14:09] Pokey Penguin [14:09] please let that be true! [14:09] http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/releases.ubuntu.com :( [14:10] oimon: try .releases.ubuntu.nl [14:10] oimon: http://nl.releases.ubuntu.com/ is still up [14:11] MartijnVdS: according to the downforev... or your browser? [14:11] downfor.. shows up & down [14:11] depending on refresh [14:11] works now :D was down for 5-10 mins [14:19] gord: http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2011/may/17/computing-opensource?CMP=twt_gu [14:24] xs aren't as skinny as they used to be :( [14:25] oimon, yup saw that this morning [14:25] i also saw the tour of the ISS space station on youtube, which is full of thinkpads [14:26] haha [14:26] I was bemused by the macbook comment at fosdem [14:26] as far as I was concerned, I was at a thinkpad owners' convention [14:31] they are an antidote to poncy laptops === MattJ100 is now known as MattJ [14:32] eh, macs have their place, thinkpads are made for people that travel more though i feel [14:34] Thinkpads are made to be used in areas where there's a good chance of it being driven over by a tank. [14:34] i was thinking more of machines with led strips and glowing blue media bars, but we can include macs if you insist :D [14:37] some thinkpads have a red LED in the i [14:37] i noticed that the other day on a thinkpad edge. i was shocked [14:38] hehe [14:38] nothing a sharp pin can't fix [14:38] <3's his thinkpad [14:38] its fine, honestly, when i'm sitting around with people who all have macs, the glowing apple logos really bother me, but some people are really creative with them [14:38] i used to have a thinkpad 600E which cost £5000 brand new [14:40] AlanBell: i7-920 is what your server has isnt it? [14:40] * popey just got some spam from RabidSwitch offering me the "opportunity" to rent one from them for 69 quid a month, 49 setup fee [14:40] 10TB bandwidth :S [14:42] anyone got the link to the bug where natty boot freezes until something generates in interupt? (like moving the mouse) [14:42] Hm. I keep having things I've alt-tabbed to be not-in-focus, presumably 'cause the mouse isn't over it, but only *sometimes* [14:43] is it firefox? [14:43] if so it is a bug [14:43] It's not *just* firefox, which is puzzling me [14:43] it can probably affect other things too i guess [14:43] it's a bug on the focus stealing code [14:43] Thunderbird does it, which is understandable, but so does terminator [14:43] and, I think, Xterm [14:43] if you switch to an app like firefox while it's got the blue ticker [14:43] it won't accept input sometimes [14:44] the only way to make it come back is to minimize it and restore it [14:44] Nah, if I've firefox full-screened and in focus, with an xterm behind it, when I alt-tab to the xterm it's unfocused but above firefox [14:44] (unless my mouse happens to be where the xterm is) [14:44] which is quite a challenge if you have it maximized since unfocussed windows have the window controls hidden [14:44] http://www.michaelv.org/ sweet [14:45] popey: KDE4 simulator? [14:45] Win 3.1 [14:45] it's much faster than unity :/ [14:45] hah [14:45] even if slow slow firefox [14:45] best response ever :) [14:46] meh..i prefer http://bellard.org/jslinux/ [14:46] "hey yeah we're gonna use 3d acceleration to make the fastest desktop ever" "what do you mean, 3d acceleration on linux is crap?" === seeker_ is now known as seeker [14:48] i don't understand how someone can make a whole simulation of program manager and it's really fast, yet launchpad.net takes 30 seconds to render pages [14:48] ali1234: all client-side vs all server-side [14:49] this program thing is all server side? [14:49] no [14:49] it's all client-side [14:49] launchpad is server-side [14:49] launchpad.net is all client side [14:49] ali1234: no, it's not. [14:49] well, the rendering is, but the servers are slow :) [14:49] if it's all server side why does it make firefox use 100% cpu and freeze for 30 seconds? [14:50] specifically the thing that does this is the list of subscribed users [14:50] when it gets repainted [14:50] by the client side javascript [14:50] sure, it contains client-side javascript [14:50] but if it's waiting for the server to update a list.. that's the bottleneck [14:50] it's not waiting [14:50] it's using 100% CPU [14:50] busy-waiting [14:51] it's not even busywaiting [14:51] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Busy_waiting [14:51] you can watch it paint each indivisual user in the list [14:51] it's actually using that CPU time to render bits? [14:51] eww [14:51] i don't knwo what it is doing [14:51] but it does it incredibly slowly [14:52] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2011-May/033194.html [14:52] bug 605567 [14:52] opinions? [14:52] Launchpad bug 605567 in Mozilla Firefox "Extremely slow painting of launchpad.net bug details page with nvidia driver" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/605567 [14:53] popey, good idea [14:53] popey: is it the installer tracking thing? my firefox is frozen cos i tried to go on launchpad :/ [14:53]