[06:22] <nuvolari> mornings
[06:22]  * nuvolari tips hat
[06:23] <superfly> heya nuvolari
[07:24]  * nlsthzn waves
[07:29] <inetpro> good morning
[10:17]  * nuvolari freaks out
[10:17] <nuvolari> too little time
[10:18] <nlsthzn-work> nuvolari: Time for?
[10:19] <nuvolari> nlsthzn-work: all the tasks at work
[10:20] <nlsthzn-work> nuvolari: Tomorrow is another day
[10:23] <nuvolari> nlsthzn-work: I know that, but it's not me that's the problem :P
[10:27] <nlsthzn-work> nuvolari: Ah... ok :)
[10:34] <Kilos> morning superfly and everyone else
[10:34] <superfly> hi Kilos
[10:34] <Kilos> hiya nlsthzn-work  see we got quite a few peps again
[10:41] <nlsthzn-work> Kilos: Peps?
[10:42] <Kilos> lol
[10:42] <Kilos> sorry nlsthzn-work  people
[10:42] <Kilos> peeps
[10:42] <Kilos> keyboard sticky
[10:43] <nlsthzn-work> it has been very quiet in IRC land so far
[10:43] <Kilos> yeah but at least they are here. favourite passtime is lurking
[10:44] <Kilos> pastime
[11:32] <nlsthzn-work> Just ordered: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1598639676/ref=s9_simh_gw_p14_d0_i3?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=center-2&pf_rd_r=1XWWJ86PA2PTVNFRBS89&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=470938631&pf_rd_i=507846
[11:50] <magellanic> cool.
[12:01] <nlsthzn-work> Got to start understanding this Linux thing eventually :p
[12:03] <magellanic> ;)
[13:48] <Kilos> superfly, gracias amigo. Ian should be here today so we will try it on his pc first
[13:48] <Kilos> then i can stay online all the time
[13:48] <Kilos> vodacom allowing of course
[13:49] <superfly> Kilos: eh? I'm not sure what you're talking about exactly (my brain is still not 100% functional)
[13:51] <Kilos> 11.04 sir
[13:51] <Kilos> the natty narwahl goodie
[13:54] <superfly> Kilos: ah, did they arrive?
[13:54] <Kilos> yes ty . i got them now
[13:54] <superfly> yay!
[13:54] <Kilos> yooohoooo
[13:54] <superfly> did the post office actually look after them?
[13:54]  * Kilos quivers with anticipation
[13:55] <Kilos> well maverick sees the kubuntu one
[13:55] <nlsthzn-work> Kilos: Natty was a good experience for me... just got to get used to doing things a new way
[13:55] <Kilos> have booted and checked cd yet\
[13:56] <Kilos> nlsthzn-work, i will give all three a go 
[13:56]  * nlsthzn-work will not change again, kubuntu 11.04 for a few months at least now... I hope :p
[13:56] <Kilos> will try ubuntu first then kubuntu then xubuntu\
[13:57] <Kilos> lol thats the prob with ubuntu. i just start winning with one then the new one is already out
[13:58] <Kilos> but what an experience every time
[13:58] <Kilos> just keep getting better and better
[13:58] <Kilos> long long way from 8.04 the first one i tried
[13:59] <nlsthzn-work> Yup... but natty is a big leap with unity... the fallback is same old same old though :)
[13:59] <Kilos> without ubuntu-za i would stay on maverick, its working so well
[14:02] <nlsthzn-work> Kilos: to be honest... if there is no real reason to install natty I wouldn't (ok, I would, but that s
[14:02] <nlsthzn-work> isn't what I would recomend
[14:02] <Kilos> lol
[14:03] <nlsthzn-work> :p
[14:03] <Kilos> thats why i wanna try on sons pc and then on a spare drive first
[14:04] <nlsthzn-work> cool, hope it is awesome :D
[14:04] <Kilos> and i have learned how to use rsync some so save all archives on external and dont need to do all the downloads everytime
[14:04] <Kilos> ty
[14:05] <Kilos> so far the hardest work was with karmic
[14:05] <Kilos> 8.04 i didnt even work out the nm
[14:05] <Kilos> hehe
[14:05] <nlsthzn-work> :)
[14:07] <magellanic> hoi hoi
[14:14] <Kilos> hiya magellanic 
[14:14] <magellanic> good self?
[14:14] <Kilos> good ty
[15:04] <Symmetria> *SIGH*
[15:04] <Symmetria> neotel is in complete meltdown mode 
[15:11] <magellanic> how?
[15:30] <Symmetria> heh their stuff keeps breaking
[15:30] <Symmetria> and you cant get holda anyone to fix it
[15:44] <nlsthzn-work> finally my working day draws to a close... weeeeee!!! ~cheers till later then, kthxbai
[15:44] <kbmonkey> same here, almost food time! he he
[17:45] <magellanic> Symmetria: oh :p, I'm on their wireless data connection, working fine :p
[18:26] <nuvolari> hmm, anyone close to Lepalale?
[18:31] <magellanic> where's that?
[18:32] <superfly> Maaz: google lealele
[18:32] <Maaz> superfly: "YouTube - Leonor Leal - eLe eLe - Festival de Jerez 2011" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ie7fXprOV28 :: "YouTube - Sophie at Leal Ele. 3rd Grade "Charlotte's Web Musical Play"" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcNTMqLSuUo :: "YouTube - sophie at Leal Ele. 2008 winter program 學校表演" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LnC3BuFXSSw :: "XV Festival de Jerez 2011. Rubén Olmo 'Tranquilo alboroto ..." http://www.deflamenco.com/revista/
[18:32] <superfly> Maaz: google lepalele
[18:32] <Maaz> superfly: "Directions from Johannesburg (S.A) to Deception Valley Lodge" http://www.kalaharimanor.co.za/pdf/DirectionsfromSA.pdf :: "X-Plane Italia • Leggi argomento - Incidente Elicottero" http://www.x-plane.it/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=11798 :: "VF-54 - Press Accident Report © by: Damiano GUALDONI" http://www.dgualdo.it/regs0/vf54-report.htm :: "ilVolo.it -- Community • Atterraggio di emergenza sulla neve per l ..." http://webcommunity.ilv
[18:33] <magellanic> superfly: ;)
[18:40] <nuvolari> magellanic: whatever Maaz said
[18:40] <nuvolari> :P
[18:42] <magellanic> oh. nowhere near
[19:13] <kbmonkey> evening all
[19:14] <magellanic> greets
[19:18] <superfly> hi kbmonkey
[19:22] <kbmonkey> hi superfly 
[19:23] <kbmonkey> about to install 11.04 as my secondary OS
[19:25]  * superfly upgraded his work machine to 11.04 this morning... bombed it half way through, and continued the upgrade using a live CD
[19:25] <superfly> and I've been running 11.04 at home since beta 2
[20:29] <Owkkuri> superfly: i was brave and upgraded work pc on the day
[20:29] <superfly> Owkkuri: well, I wasn't at work on the day, or I probably would have
[20:30] <Owkkuri> :P
[20:31] <Owkkuri> I'm the only one still on 32bit
[20:31] <Owkkuri> crappy work pc
[20:31] <superfly> work PC is 32 as well
[20:31] <superfly> home PC is triple-core AMD 64 bit
[20:34] <Owkkuri> core 2 quad here 
[20:34] <Owkkuri> :P
[20:37] <nuvolari> naand oom Kilos 
[20:37] <Kilos> naand nuvolari 
[20:37] <Kilos> brb
[20:39] <nuvolari> "Intel(R) Core(TM) i7 CPU       M 620  @ 2.67GHz"
[20:39] <nuvolari> only wish it was mine to keep :'(
[20:40] <Kilos> wow thats lekker
[20:40] <Kilos> put under arm and run
[20:40] <nuvolari> Kilos: hehe, if it was that easy :P
[20:41] <Squirm> good evening
[20:41] <Kilos> lol
[20:41] <Kilos> lo Squirm 
[20:41] <Kilos> busy trying to install natty on ians pc alongside winsucks\
[20:41] <Kilos> sigh
[20:42] <nuvolari> but I have to say, I worked on a really low-end-piece-of-doorstop-trash-before-noah's-time machine
[20:42] <nuvolari> Kilos: making any progress?
[20:42] <Kilos> just started nuvolari 
[20:42] <nuvolari> although that sigh says it all
[20:42] <nuvolari> :P
[20:42] <Kilos> i sigh when i have to look at any ms stuff
[20:43] <Squirm> and the fact that MS bought out Skype annoys me :/
[20:43] <Squirm> since it was sold the 1st time, the API has become privitised :/
[20:43] <Squirm> privatised*
[20:43] <Squirm> so now with MS....
[20:43]  * Squirm shivers
[20:46] <nuvolari> Squirm: there's other options
[20:46] <nuvolari> now is the time to get your friends to use a decent service :P
[20:46] <nuvolari> At least I got my sis today to use googletalk
[20:47] <nuvolari> I was at work so we did not try out the google voice chat
[20:47] <Squirm> I use gtalk
[20:47] <Squirm> oh yeah, I heard google moved servers today
[20:47] <Squirm> well, they completed the transfer
[20:47] <Squirm> google apps or something
[20:48] <Kerbero> hmm
[20:48] <Kerbero> dit beteken my email het vir 'n paar oomblikke nie gewerk nie
[20:49] <nuvolari> wanneer was dit?
[20:49] <nuvolari> I did not notice anything :?
[20:49] <Kerbero> me neither
[20:50] <Squirm> theyve been emailing me over the past week
[20:50] <nuvolari> :? or you get spam
[20:50] <nuvolari> :P
[20:50] <Squirm> We recently transitioned your organization to the new infrastructure for Google Apps accounts, a change that makes over 60 additional Google applications like Google Places, Google Reader, Picasa Web Albums and AdWords accessible with Google Apps accounts.
[20:51] <Squirm> it was google
[20:51] <nuvolari> :( why don't I get any mail
[20:51] <nuvolari> what makes *you* special?
[20:51] <nuvolari> eh?
[20:51] <Squirm> are you a google apps admin?
[20:51]  * nuvolari freaks
[20:51] <nuvolari> :P
[20:51] <nuvolari> oh.
[20:51] <Kilos> Squirm, thius from lists. alternative to skype
[20:51] <nuvolari> no
[20:51] <Kilos> http://www.jitsi.org
[20:52] <Squirm> nuvolari: it's pretty much using google services with your own domain name
[20:52] <Squirm> so say I woned squirm.co.za
[20:52] <Squirm> owned*
[20:52] <Squirm> my gtalk address could be Squirm@squirm.co.za
[20:53] <Kerbero> i am the admin for my domain and i also did not get an email
[20:53] <Squirm> and email address, etc
[20:53] <Squirm> Kerbero: for the google apps?
[20:53] <Kerbero> jip
[20:53] <Kerbero> maybe they only moved one of the servers
[20:53] <Kerbero> the one you are on
[20:53]  * nuvolari browse his spam folder
[20:53] <Squirm> maybe
[20:53] <Squirm> cause it's definately google
[20:54] <Kerbero> hmm
[20:54] <Kerbero> now i'm not sure if my admin account forwards to my normal inbox
[20:54] <Squirm> all the links point TO googles websites, not a web address similar
[20:54] <Squirm> like
[20:54] <Kerbero> guess thats mhy
[20:54] <Squirm> https://www.google.com/a/cpanel/squirm.co.za
[20:54] <Squirm> thats one of the links
[20:54] <Squirm> which is the valid link to my apps login
[20:55] <kbmonkey> hello
[20:55] <Kerbero> Kilos: die probleem wat ek met programme soos daai het is dat daar nie servers is waardeur mens kan kommunikeer nie
[20:55] <Kilos> oh
[20:55] <Kilos> o
[20:55] <Kerbero> want as ten minste een van die twee mense nie 'n public ip met incoming connections het nie gaan dit breek
[20:55] <Kerbero> skype maak voorsiening daarvoor
[20:56] <Kerbero> as twee mense op 3G dus mekaar probeer bel gaan dit nie werk nie
[20:56] <Squirm> 0o
[20:56] <Kerbero> as een van hulle op 'n adsl lyn sit sal dit werk
[20:56] <Squirm> well, it was good while it lasted
[20:56] <Squirm> I'll get people to use something like gtalk
[20:56] <Kerbero> gtalk is my tweede opsie ook ja
[20:57] <Kerbero> ek is besig om alles google toe te port
[20:57] <Kerbero> email, contacts, calendar
[20:57] <Kerbero> my foon sync nou heel mooi daarmee ook
[20:58] <Squirm> so does mine
[20:58] <Kilos> maar jy kan anyway webcams in pidgin ook gebruik  en empathy
[20:58] <Kerbero> het jy 'n android?
[20:58] <Squirm> its really good :)
[20:58] <Squirm> ek het a BlackBerry
[20:58] <Kerbero> o
[20:58] <Kerbero> nice
[20:58] <Kerbero> die probleem is ek het 'n N900
[20:59] <Squirm> ah, its a cheap one, but its good
[20:59] <Kerbero> so dit intergrate nie so mooi nie
[20:59] <Kerbero> moes 'n paar hacks pull
[20:59] <Squirm> Kerbero: maar julle kan kry programme
[20:59] <Squirm> en my afrikaans is terrible :P
[20:59] <Kerbero> praat engels
[20:59] <superfly> Kerbero: what apps did you use to get the syncing working? I also have an N900
[20:59] <Kerbero> the built in mail for ekchange
[20:59] <Squirm> I can understand most afrikaans
[21:00] <Kerbero> maar ek moes my calendar en contacts eers backup en manually google toe vat
[21:00] <Kerbero> toe alles op die foor wipe
[21:00] <Squirm> I used something on my dads e65 which worked
[21:00] <Kerbero> en toe het die syncing vanaf google eers gewerk
[21:00] <Squirm> and calendar never backed up, I think it was only contacts, otherwise you had to pay
[21:01] <Kerbero> ek wou so min as moontlik verander aan die default foon OS
[21:01] <Kerbero> want ek het laas nag geformat oor mail for exchange heeltemal gebreek was
[21:02] <Kerbero> en nou is die foon ook weer lekker vinnig
[21:02] <Squirm> my BlackBerry did it for me, I registered it with my gmail account, and it restored all my gmail contacts to my phone, now it syncs them, daily I think
[21:03] <Kerbero> dit lyk of jitse.org gtalk support
[21:03] <Kerbero> wonder of dit voip ook is
[21:03] <Kerbero> of net im
[21:03] <Kilos> eish kernel panic on ians pc
[21:06] <superfly> Kerbero: it's a SIP client, with a IM support
[21:06] <Kerbero> ok
[21:06] <Kerbero> :(
[21:06] <superfly> Kilos: what do the last few lines say?
[21:06] <Kerbero> at least our phones support skype and gtalk properly
[21:07] <Kilos> aw they gone already we trying again
[21:09]  * Squirm updates his Ubuntu ISO
[21:10] <Squirm> is it apt-get update
[21:10] <Kilos> now its loading a bit further so far
[21:10] <Squirm> or apt-get upgrade
[21:10] <Kerbero> first update
[21:10] <Kerbero> then upgrade
[21:10] <Squirm> thanks
[21:10] <Squirm> yeah, updating the ISO before I load it
[21:10] <Kerbero> uhm
[21:10] <Squirm> and adding a few programs
[21:10] <Kerbero> iso on flashdrive?
[21:11] <Squirm> yep
[21:11] <Kerbero> ok
[21:11] <Squirm> will probably end up too big for the cd
[21:11] <Squirm> so will have to be
[21:11] <Kerbero> uhm
[21:11] <Kerbero> you sure it works that way?
[21:11] <Squirm> yep
[21:11] <Squirm> look
[21:11] <Squirm> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization
[21:12] <Squirm> I did it with 10.10
[21:12] <Kerbero> ahh
[21:12] <Squirm> so im just pretty much updating it, so I dont have to run the update each time
[21:12] <Squirm> well, twice
[21:13] <Squirm> and I dont like empathy
[21:13] <Squirm> PURGE
[21:13] <Kerbero> haha
[21:13] <Squirm> and I also dont like the face aptitude insnt preinstalled
[21:13] <nuvolari> empathy is really nice once you get used to it
[21:14] <Squirm> it doesnt work with mxit
[21:14] <Kerbero> i like my pidgin
[21:14] <Kerbero> i have three IM clients: xchat, pidgin, skype
[21:14] <Kerbero> used konversation for irc before
[21:14] <Kerbero> but changed to xchat now
[21:14] <nuvolari> ye, hope I can do away with skype
[21:14] <Squirm> I use xchat pidgin and skype
[21:14] <Squirm> well
[21:15] <Squirm> irssi pidgin and skype now
[21:15] <nuvolari> weechat, empathy, skype
[21:15] <Kilos> oidgin rocks
[21:15] <Kilos> pidgin too\
[21:15] <Squirm> I dont know why I kinda like irsis
[21:15] <nuvolari> Kilos: is that a pig crossed with a pidgin? :P
[21:15] <Squirm> irssi
[21:15] <nuvolari> an oidgin
[21:15] <Kilos> lol
[21:16] <nuvolari> Squirm: tried weechat before?
[21:16] <Squirm> nuvolari: maybe once
[21:16] <nuvolari> ok
[21:17] <nuvolari> I love any ncurses based app
[21:17] <nuvolari> ncftp, weechat, ncmcpp
[21:17] <Kilos> superfly, HSM violation
[21:17] <Squirm> and whats the point in Gwibber
[21:17] <Squirm> PURGE
[21:17] <kbmonkey> myself! moc is my new music player :]
[21:18] <Squirm> I just use Rhytmbox
[21:18] <Kilos> and ata1.01 status {drdy df dr q err}
[21:18] <Squirm> SeaMonkey seems cool, but it kept crashing last time I tried it, which was admittedly over a year ago
[21:18] <nuvolari> sonata works well the day I don't want to use ncmcpp
[21:19] <Squirm> TomBoy is 2.8Mb :O
[21:20] <Kilos> Good evening gentlemen, wolfeyes here , Kilos  is just away a bit.
[21:20] <nuvolari> kbmonkey: moc looks cool
[21:20] <kbmonkey> used ncmcpp for long, got my scrobbling working with it too.
[21:21] <nuvolari> ye, scrobbling was a PITA the first time I had to do with it
[21:21] <nuvolari> in general mpd is tops
[21:21] <kbmonkey> Im busy keymapping moc so it has vi-like keys
[21:21] <superfly> Kilos: what hardware is in that machine?
[21:24] <Kilos> 2.4G intel cpu, Gigabyte mb, nvidia graphics card,  the rest is basic stuff.
[21:24] <Kilos> @ superfly 
[21:28] <Kilos> we now trying kubuntu
[21:30] <magellanic> hoi hoi
[21:32] <Kilos> kernel panic. not syncing
[21:32] <Kilos> its winsucks in the boot sector i am sure
[21:32] <magellanic> heh
[21:33] <superfly> Kilos: that sounds like fairly standard hardware, not sure why it's panicing... do you have any additional hardware like a wireless network card?
[21:35] <Kilos> there is a another card you plug a data card in to connect to the net but he doesnt use it
[21:35] <Kilos> superfly, 
[21:35] <superfly> Kilos: can you remove it?
[21:35] <Kilos> yes it out now
[21:36] <Kilos> we try again
[21:36] <magellanic> so have free space you're installing to? along side win?
[21:37] <magellanic> s/so/you/
[21:37] <Kilos> 13g
[21:37] <magellanic> and you're booting the livecd atm?
[21:37] <Kilos> and 400g in another partition
[21:37] <Kilos> yip
[21:37] <magellanic> oh okay
[21:40] <Kilos> the prob is he wants to keep the xp there till he is used to 11.04 as he has work on it
[21:41] <kbmonkey> it still panics, Kilos?
[21:41] <Kilos> kubuntu busy loading now we will see how far it gets this time
[21:42] <Symmetria> *HRM*
[21:42]  * Symmetria hopes things don't go to hell after tomorrows elections
[21:42]  * kbmonkey loves satsuma season
[21:42] <magellanic> Kilos: fair enough
[21:43] <Kerbero> Symmetria: why would it?
[21:44] <magellanic> so, is the DA promising more fiber? ;D
[21:46] <Symmetria> heh Kerbero if the ANC loses as much ground as they are expected to in the muncipal elections
[21:46] <Symmetria> it opens the door for elements in the ANC to attempt to oust zuma and put themselves in power
[21:46] <Symmetria> (in the same way they ousted mbeki)
[21:46] <kbmonkey> Kilos, some older hw I found in the BIOS you change the drive mode to/from LBA. 
[21:47] <Symmetria> except, those elements are... problematic 
[21:47] <Symmetria> (read MALEMA) 
[21:47] <kbmonkey> be warned though that most likely xp will then complain, if at all
[21:47] <Symmetria> it depends just how much ground the ANC loses tomorrow and it could be substantial
[21:47] <kbmonkey> and even more out-the-box, I recommend looking if there is a BIOS update for the pc too
[21:47] <Kilos> will look at that if it crashes again ty kbmonkey 
[21:47] <Kerbero> Symmetria: so you want me to vote ANC?
[21:48] <kbmonkey> rarely so but I have had it that BIOS updates solves some hw/disk issues.
[21:48] <Symmetria> Kerbero hell no
[21:48] <Symmetria> :P
[21:48] <kbmonkey> I vote jedi
[21:48] <Kerbero> lol
[21:49] <Symmetria> I want the ANC gone, Im just worried about the trouble that may happen when they get their asses kicked as Im hoping they do in many places
[21:49] <Kilos> said unable to read data cahe entry now it gone further
[21:49] <Kilos> cache
[21:49] <Symmetria> heh, I think tomorrow the DA will retain capetown, they will either take PE outright, or they will take it with cope as a coalition, and there is a *BIG* chance of the DA taking joburg
[21:50] <Kerbero> nice
[21:50] <kbmonkey> Kilos, does it look similar to this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SquashfsErrors
[21:51]  * kbmonkey had kernel panic earlier trying to install openSuse :p
[21:53] <Kilos> now we got to where it wants nm info but its behind a window with stripes across it and cant bring to the front
[21:54] <Kilos> ian ticked and it went somewhere else got black screen with mouse showing but cd running so we will see
[21:55] <Kilos> yay we ghetting to nm
[21:55] <kbmonkey> wow. that doesnt sound good. 
[21:55] <Kilos> getting too
[21:55] <Kilos> lol
[21:55] <kbmonkey> hope it's not faulty hardware!
[21:55] <Kilos> aw its gone at+t
[21:56] <Kilos> dunno how to stop it so will start again
[21:57] <kbmonkey> at+t?
[21:57] <Kilos> american network provider
[21:57] <Kilos> never got to choose sa
[21:58] <Kilos> methinks maybe i use karmic and tell it to install grub
[22:03] <Symmetria> heh AT&T used to own most of telkom :P
[22:03]  * Symmetria has much hate
[22:04] <Kilos> lol
[22:05] <Symmetria> actually though, I have to admit, I have only ever dealt with three providers who I actually like :P
[22:05] <magellanic> at&t owned telkom?
[22:05] <Symmetria> magellanic yes, well, a LARGE portion of it
[22:06] <magellanic> wow didn't know
[22:06] <Symmetria> it was the siphoning of funds outta .za through telkom that funded the SBC/AT&T merge 
[22:06] <Symmetria> (basically, SBC owned telkom, they jacked up the prices, made a fortune, and used it to fund a merge with AT&T iirc)
[22:06] <Kilos> cant even run karmic live cd
[22:06] <magellanic> yoh
[22:06] <Kilos> grrrr
[22:06] <magellanic> Kilos: ?
[22:07]  * Symmetria ordered himself a new machine today :P
[22:07] <Kilos> it hangs half way
[22:07] <kbmonkey> can you verify the cd integrity?
[22:07] <superfly> Kilos: use the alternate CD and do a text-based install
[22:07]  * Symmetria thinks he better shuttup because he will get much hate in here if he talks about that machine :P
[22:07] <Kilos> sure it ms stuff in boot sector meesing things up
[22:07] <magellanic> Symmetria: I hate you :D
[22:07] <Kilos> ok superfly will try that
[22:07] <Symmetria> magellanic hahaha if I tell you machine branding you will hate me more :P
[22:08] <magellanic> okay now I have to hear, I know it's apple
[22:08] <kbmonkey> during a boot yes sure but not during an installation?
[22:08] <Symmetria> http://www.digicape.co.za/storeview.php?product_id=59&tem_id=1 <[22:08] <magellanic> yerrie
[22:09] <magellanic> what did it cost?
[22:09] <Symmetria> 20 grand :P
[22:09] <magellanic> ouch. for home or work?
[22:09] <Symmetria> home 
[22:09] <Symmetria> heh, look at the screen resolutions though on that screen 
[22:10] <Symmetria> 2560x1440 ftw :P 
[22:10]  * marcog prefers dual 24"
[22:10] <Symmetria> love apple, hate em, their screens are still some of the best anywhere
[22:10] <Symmetria> heh marcog I have a 24" plugged into my 27" imac at work
[22:10] <Symmetria> so run dual screen on top of that
[22:10] <marcog> do you have the 24"s rotated?
[22:11] <magellanic> I choose to hate them, but yea their hardware is nice
[22:11] <magellanic> :D
[22:11] <Symmetria> at home I already have a 27" apple screen on my normal machine, so will dual screen with that when the new machine arrives
[22:11] <marcog> i've seen someone with an apple 30" + 2 dell 24"s on the sides
[22:11] <Symmetria> to give me a total of 5120x2880 res 
[22:11] <DraZoro> wow
[22:11] <Symmetria> marcog yeah :)
[22:11] <Symmetria> marcog heh, those apple screens are really really beautiful
[22:11] <Symmetria> they are just $$$$$$$$$$$ if you buy the 30"
[22:12] <marcog> it's a pretty sweet setup that, but pricey very pricey
[22:12] <Symmetria> (30" apple screen = close to the full price of my imac) 
[22:12] <marcog> yep
[22:12] <DraZoro> That is a lot of pixels  Symmetria
[22:12]  * kbmonkey just ate an apple. it was sweet and crunchy.
[22:12] <Symmetria> DraZoro heh, its helpful when dealing with some of the diagrams I work on 
[22:12] <magellanic> was just about to ask, what do you use them for
[22:12] <Symmetria> I spend a LOT of them diagramming extremely large network builds, particularly at a logical layer
[22:12] <magellanic> beside movies :D
[22:13] <Symmetria> and those diagrams are like, huge
[22:13] <Symmetria> :P
[22:13] <Symmetria> (which was another reason to buy apple, omnigraffle > * for diagramming)
[22:13] <DraZoro> I will like to experience such power one day Symmetria 
[22:13] <Symmetria> heh omnigraffle is a *fraction* of the price of visio, and more powerful
[22:14] <Symmetria> http://networking.tenet.ac.za/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=l2_l3_resiliance <[22:15] <Symmetria> (thats a small one though)
[22:19] <Kerbero> what's wrang with Dia?
[22:20] <Symmetria> heh, its nowhere near powerful enough when it gets to really complex diagrams
[22:20] <Kerbero> hehe
[22:20] <Kerbero> just pulling your leg
[22:20] <Kerbero> Dia is crap
[22:20] <Kerbero> except if you really need to draw something qiuckly once
[22:21] <Symmetria> http://monitor.net.tenet.ac.za/cacti/graph_image.php?action=view&local_graph_id=517&rra_id=1 <[22:21] <Kerbero> o
[22:21] <Symmetria> 1.3gigabit/second worth of white noise going to europe, man I love these guys
[22:21] <Kerbero> SKA/meerKat stuff?
[22:22] <Symmetria> (and that data flow is LITERALLY white noise, they collect it off a telescope, send it to europe, overlap it with other white noise from other telescopes doing the same thing in real time, and since noise cancels noise, whats left is what they actually want)
[22:22] <Squirm> sleep well
[22:22] <Symmetria> nah, this is hartrao north west of pretoria 
[22:22] <Kerbero> ok
[22:22] <Kerbero> the theory behind that is nice though
[22:22] <Symmetria> heh evlbi experiments seriously though are kinda whack
[22:22] <Symmetria> heh Kerbero yes, it just CHEWS bandwidth 
[22:22]  * Kerbero likes
[22:22] <Symmetria> because the white noise has to be sent in real time 
[22:22] <Kerbero> moar bandmidth
[22:23] <Symmetria> and its completely uncompressible
[22:23] <Symmetria> LOL at the moment we have more the sufficient bandwidth and will have a ton more by feb if all goes according to plan :P
[22:24] <Symmetria> heh, I have never yet managed to actually saturate our international bandwidth, its a sore point with me, that no matter hwo much I've tried in tests I cannot get enough data to actually saturate it in any meaningful way
[22:24] <Symmetria> heh the test servers generally fall over long before the bandwidth does
[22:25] <Kerbero> hmm
[22:25] <Kerbero> does your router's not have a bondwidth testing feature like mikrotik's
[22:26] <Symmetria> heh, kerbero no, to get to that kinda speed you need proper (and very expensive) traffic generators
[22:26] <Kerbero> like me?
[22:26] <Kerbero> :P
[22:26] <Symmetria> the highest I've managed to sustain in a test myself was between mirror.ac.za and another similar spec box in europe, using UDP packets
[22:26] <Symmetria> generated by iperf
[22:26] <Kerbero> ahh
[22:26] <Symmetria> that test I managed to do 8.2 sustained for 3 hours
[22:27] <Kerbero> 8.2gbps?
[22:27] <Symmetria> if I pushed the boxes any higher than 8.2 gig the servers themselves freaked out 
[22:27] <Symmetria> yeah
[22:27] <Kerbero> nice
[22:27] <Symmetria> heh, hold, will show you something kinda cool
[22:27] <Kerbero> and is it the same line as the one we see that hartao stuff on now?
[22:27] <Symmetria> yeah
[22:28] <Kerbero> so we are using like .15 of 8
[22:28] <Symmetria> heh
[22:29] <Symmetria> watc this
[22:29] <Symmetria> Remote file list:
[22:29] <Symmetria>   1) debian-6.0.1a-i386-DVD-1.iso                                    4662495232 bytes
[22:29] <Symmetria> 4.6gig file right?
[22:29] <Kerbero> jip
[22:29] <Symmetria> just checking a setting real quick first
[22:30] <Symmetria> Transfer complete. Flushing to disk and signaling server to stop...
[22:30] <Symmetria> !!!!
[22:30] <Symmetria> PC performance figure : 0 packets dropped (if high this indicates receiving PC overload)
[22:30] <Symmetria> Transfer duration     : 54.99 seconds
[22:30] <Symmetria> heh that was from london, without tweaking the settings 
[22:30] <Kerbero> ok
[22:30] <Kerbero> good
[22:31]  * Kerbero need to do the math quickly
[22:31] <Symmetria> heh now to tweak the settings a bit
[22:31] <Symmetria> (last one was about 650mbit)
[22:31] <Kerbero> ok
[22:31] <Symmetria> heh Transfer duration     : 28.28 seconds
[22:31] <Symmetria> Final file rate       : 1257.94 Mbps
[22:31] <Symmetria> heh, cant go much higher than that, the disks cap out :P
[22:32] <Kerbero> so the first one is 85.65MBytes/sec
[22:32] <Kerbero> which is almost my hdd limit
[22:32]  * DraZoro is amazed at such speeds 
[22:32] <Symmetria> yeah and the second one was 157.24MBytes/second 
[22:32] <Kerbero> and the secnond is 166.56MBytes/sec
[22:32] <Kerbero> hmm
[22:32] <Kerbero> math difference
[22:33] <Symmetria> well, according to the speed the program reported in IP payload transfer
[22:33] <Symmetria> its 157 
[22:33] <Kerbero> o, i guess i'll need to use the size in bytes
[22:33] <Kerbero> more accurate
[22:33] <Symmetria> (1257.94/8)
[22:34] <Symmetria> heh Kerbero its not a bad speed all the way from London
[22:34] <Symmetria> since there is no way I could do that kinda speed even over my home lan
[22:34] <Kerbero> ok my math agrees: 157.23132MBytes/sec < My SSD's writing speed
[22:35] <Kerbero> hehe
[22:35] <Kerbero> it is awesome speed, but useless for anyone except for you
[22:36] <Kerbero> i hate it that our university throttles stuff
[22:37] <Kerbero> if i'm lucky i get 30KBytes/sec from the internet with a public IP
[22:37] <Kerbero> otherwise i can get up to 1.2MByte/s via the proxy
[22:42] <Symmetria> heh
[22:42] <Symmetria> brb, reading a presentation... this is like... wow
[22:45] <Symmetria> heh london internet exchange is going juniper
[22:45]  * Symmetria is shocked
[22:45] <Kerbero> it's a Lie
[22:46] <Kerbero> :P
[22:51] <Symmetria> heh its a good thing
[22:51] <Symmetria> we've had 2 many problems with the brocade LINX lan
[22:51]  * Kerbero need to google juniper first
[22:51] <Symmetria> heh we use a lot of juniper gear, its beautiful stuff
[22:51] <Kerbero> o
[22:52] <Kerbero> no cisco's?
[22:52] <Symmetria> significantly cheaper than cisco, significantly less buggy than juniper
[22:52] <Symmetria> and nicer CLI 
[22:52] <Kerbero> ok
[22:52] <Symmetria> heh, we have tons of cisco kit, and Im getting rid of it as fast as possible
[22:52] <Symmetria> cisco gear is *buggy*
[22:52] <Symmetria> and full of problems
[22:52] <Kerbero> o
[22:52] <Symmetria> heh, its not as bad as the alcatel stuff we use though
[22:53] <Symmetria> heh kerbero, lemme show you something cool with the junipers quick
[22:53] <Symmetria> this is a juniper right:
[22:53] <Symmetria> Hostname: JNB-PR1
[22:53] <Symmetria> Model: mx80-48t
[22:53] <Symmetria> JUNOS Base OS boot [10.4R1.9]
[22:53] <Symmetria> JUNOS Base OS Software Suite [10.4R1.9]
[22:53] <Symmetria> now, watch this
[22:54] <Symmetria> JNB-PR1> start shell
[22:54] <Symmetria> % uname -a
[22:54] <Symmetria> JUNOS JNB-PR1 10.4R1.9 JUNOS 10.4R1.9 #0: 2010-12-04 09:58:24 UTC     builder@warth.juniper.net:/volume/build/junos/10.4/release/10.4R1.9/obj-powerpc/bsd/sys/compile/JUNIPER-PPC  powerpc
[22:54] <Symmetria> LOL
[22:54] <Symmetria> does that look familiar :P
[22:54]  * magellanic smells freebsd
[22:55] <Symmetria> junos = hugely hacked up freebsd that supports all the fancy hardware network processing cards etc that they stick in juniper routers
[22:55] <Symmetria> (and a ton of other network features built in specifically)
[22:55] <Symmetria> but basically yes, junos was built on freebsd :P
[22:55] <magellanic> is junos open source
[22:55] <magellanic> ?
[22:56] <Kerbero> hmm
[22:56] <Kerbero> powerpc <- /me smells apple
[22:56] <magellanic> Kerbero: nah apple have switched beds, now in bed with intel :p
[22:57] <Symmetria> heh Kerbero power-pc is used in many things
[22:58] <magellanic> who made powerpc processors, was it ibm?
[22:58] <Kerbero> so you can install ubuntu on the router?
[22:58] <Symmetria> Kerbero you gotta keep something in mind though, most of the trafic processing in modern routers isnt done on the cpus
[22:58] <Symmetria> its done in hardware asics 
[22:58] <Symmetria> Kerbero technically yes you could
[22:58] <Kerbero> jip
[22:58] <Symmetria> though I could also just install gcc for freebsd on it
[22:58] <Symmetria> :P
[22:58] <Symmetria> and hte ports collection
[22:58] <Symmetria> and then install irssi and irc from my router
[22:58] <Symmetria> :P
[22:58] <Symmetria> it would make the worlds most expensive irc box
[22:58] <magellanic> cool
[22:59] <Kerbero> lol
[22:59] <Symmetria> heh, look at this:
[22:59] <Symmetria> cisco CRS-16/S (7457) processor with 4194304K bytes of memory.
[22:59] <Symmetria> 7457 processor at 1197Mhz, Revision 1.2
[22:59] <Symmetria> 4 Management Ethernet
[22:59] <Symmetria> 12 DWDM controller(s)
[22:59] <Symmetria> 28 TenGigE
[22:59] <Symmetria> ^^^ thats the large cisco core router, heh, RiSC cpu in there
[23:00] <Symmetria> and that box runs QNX as a base system
[23:00] <Kerbero> nice
[23:00] <Kerbero> 28!
[23:00] <Kerbero> that is enormous
[23:01] <Symmetria> heh not really, technically the device is capable of around 50 with zero oversub if we fully populated it 
[23:01] <Symmetria> and with a minor upgrade, you could take that to 100 :P
[23:01] <Kerbero> what physical technology is the 10gigs
[23:01] <Symmetria> 28 Gigabit Ethernet interfaces
[23:01] <Symmetria> 26 Ten Gigabit Ethernet interfaces
[23:01] <Symmetria> heh thats another router we have
[23:01] <Symmetria> its all fiber 
[23:02] <Kerbero> ok
[23:02] <Kerbero> what is the difference between the dwdm and 10gig then?
[23:02] <Symmetria> 10gigE has ethernet packet frame encapsulation on it and generally runs at either 1310 or 1550 nm wavelength
[23:02] <Symmetria> DWDM is tuneable optical wavelength 
[23:02] <Symmetria> and doesnt have the encapsulation overhead
[23:03] <Kerbero> ok
[23:03] <Symmetria> the idea behind the DWDM in the router itself, is you can feed multiple different wavelengths into a multiplexer and then down a single fiber 
[23:04] <Symmetria> and instead of the traditional way of the dwdm system demultiplexing and pushing out ethernet, which requires expensive transponders, you skip the push out ethernet segment and the electrical conversion
[23:04] <Symmetria> and run the light directly off the optical mux/demux
[23:04] <Kerbero> ok, so is seacom one physical fiber with dwdm?
[23:05] <Symmetria> 4 physical fibers (2 pairs, fiber is almost always done in pairs, a send and a receive)
[23:05] <Kerbero> ok
[23:05] <Symmetria> they run 2 pairs because they break each pair at different countries, so you can have more resilience 
[23:05] <Symmetria> WACS will be 4 pairs I think 
[23:06] <Kerbero> and tenet may use certain wavelengths?
[23:06] <Symmetria> they decide on the wavelength, they hand us off at 1550nm having already done the mux/demux, but yeah, we have enough wavelength space to do 10G
[23:06] <Symmetria> but they can figure out which wave they actually want us on for that 10G
[23:06] <Kerbero> ok
[23:07] <Symmetria> k, Im off for a smoke then bed :) gotta travel in the morning
[23:07] <magellanic> later Symmetria 
[23:07] <magellanic> where you travelling?
[23:08] <Symmetria> just joburg
[23:08] <Symmetria> till saturday
[23:08] <Symmetria> got meetings
[23:08] <Symmetria> :P
[23:08] <Symmetria> gnight :)
[23:08] <magellanic> okay cool
[23:08] <Kerbero> o/
[23:14] <nuvolari> night everyone
[23:14] <nuvolari> *morning
[23:17] <magellanic> later