[21:21] <elik_work> I've been trying to turn a process not really built to be a deamon (and to which I have no access to source) into one, but wihtout success
[21:22] <ion> Sounds like fun.
[21:22] <elik_work> At first, I noticed it didn't like to be untied from stdin/stdout (could not background it without stopping)
[21:22] <elik_work> So now I start it through screen
[21:23] <elik_work> it works when I do it simply from the command line
[21:23] <elik_work> but with an exec from an upstart job, it doesn't
[21:23] <elik_work> ion: yeah... it kinda is, but it's just so much more fun when it works :)
[21:25] <elik_work> So I was wondering what was different between me calling "screen -d -m bash -c 'my_command'" from the shell and from an exec stanza
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[22:15] <elik_work> for some reason, it seems like a child creation is failing when my program is launched from upstart :(
[23:05] <elik> what could cause a program to behave differently depending on wether it's called from command line or from upstart?
[23:06] <elik> given the same command (screen -d -m sh -c 'blackboxcommand')
[23:27] <Keybuk> elik: commands run from upstart aren't connected to a tty
[23:27] <elik> Keybuk: doesn't screen take care of that^
[23:28] <Keybuk> elik: I always thought screen itself needed a tty
[23:28] <Keybuk> also commands from upstart are run in a clean environment
[23:28] <Keybuk> e.g. $HOME is not set
[23:29] <elik> Keybuk: I do set the needed variables through env stanzas
[23:30] <elik> Keybuk: as far as tty goes, I do start services like that using init.d
[23:30] <elik> screen -d -m detaches and creates a daemon
[23:30] <Keybuk> detaches from what?
[23:34] <elik> Keybuk: screen exists so you can detech the terminal from under it
[23:36] <Keybuk> but in summary, there are plenty of things that can cause a command run from upstart to behave differently than one run from a tty
[23:37] <ion> Btw, tmux start can be done without a tty.
[23:39] <elik> ion: without going into details, aren't tmux and screen somewhat similar?
[23:39] <elik> Keybuk: right :(
[23:39] <ion> Yes, but i’m under the impression the code quality of tmux is generally better.
[23:40] <ion> Also, tmux doesn’t do a a bunch unrelated things, it only tries to do one thing well.
[23:40] <ion> +of