[16:37] <charlie-tca> Good morning
[16:37] <holstein> charlie-tca: o/
[17:16] <pleia2> can someone speak to this/confirm? https://bugs.launchpad.net/xubuntu-website/+bug/784020
[17:16] <charlie-tca> valid
[17:17] <pleia2> ok, I'll update the reqs on the site
[17:17] <charlie-tca> The ubiquity installer per Ubuntu requirements needs 4 GB, we get caught up in that, even though the actual Xubuntu install only needs 2gb
[17:17] <charlie-tca> I think we should give that but to ubiquity
[17:18] <charlie-tca> Using the alternate installer will not force the same statement from the installer
[17:19] <pleia2> the bug is actually against the website, so a separate one should be filed against ubiquity
[17:19] <charlie-tca> I will run another test, since I did install in less then 4gb during testing. I split a 3 gb partition to install in
[17:20] <ochosi> great, i saw quite a few people in #xubuntu inquire about that lately
[17:20] <pleia2> thanks charlie-tca, I've gone ahead and updated the site to say: "To install Xubuntu with the standard installer (Ubiquity), you need 4.4 GB of free space on your hard disk. The Alternate Install CD only requires you to have 2 GB of free space on your hard disk."
[17:20] <charlie-tca> If it rreally requires the 4 gb, I will file a bug against ubiquity, but I think it is only a matter of wording
[17:27] <pleia2> ochosi: I still owe you a nice firefox screenshot, right?
[17:44] <pleia2> ochosi: here's the updated one: http://people.ubuntu.com/~lyz/xubuntu/natty/n-xubuntu-firefox.png
[17:44] <pleia2> let me know if it's ok :)
[17:52] <micahg> does anyone else experience pink notify-osd alerts in natty?
[17:53] <davmor2> micahg: no
[17:54] <davmor2> micahg: I am on Ubuntu rather than Xubuntu
[17:54] <micahg> davmor2: I was referring to xubuntu :)
[17:54] <micahg> ubuntu stuff works fine
[18:00] <charlie-tca> not any more
[18:04] <knome> hey pleia2, i suppose there is no update on the wp staging site for xubuntu?
[18:04] <charlie-tca> micahg: I had off-color notifications, until I got both xfsettingsd and xfwm4 to start 
[18:04] <pleia2> knome: no update :(
[18:05] <pleia2> everyone was at UDS last week though, so no surprise there
[18:05] <knome> someone could have pointed that to the IS guys
[18:05] <knome> with a sharp knife
[18:05] <knome> :|
[18:06] <micahg> charlie-tca: will check when I'm near that machine again, thanks
[18:08] <ochosi> pleia2: ah right, @work atm, will check when i'm home :)
[18:10] <pleia2> ochosi: thank you :)
[18:11] <ochosi> pleia2: any chance this will hit the hp anytime soon? (or is it connected to the wordpress-migration)
[18:16] <pleia2> ochosi: hp?
[18:17] <ochosi> pleia2: homepage
[18:18] <pleia2> ochosi: oh, yeah I already updated the screenshot on the homepage, the ones you're doing now are for xubuntu.org/tour
[18:18] <pleia2> I updated the top one, waiting on firefox for the bottom one
[18:19] <pleia2> and just updated xubuntu.org/about this morning
[18:20] <pleia2> I'm going through the site and reporting bugs against other stuff we need to update so I don't lose track
[18:22] <charlie-tca> lots of bugs, I hope ;-)
[18:28] <pleia2> charlie-tca: yes, and some for you! xubuntu.org/contribute/qa_bugs_testing needs love :)
[18:32] <pleia2> charlie-tca: I know qa_bugs_testing needs updating, when you have some time can you go through the rest of http://xubuntu.org/devel to see what else does?
[19:04] <charlie-tca> okay
[19:28] <ochosi> pleia2: ok, i just finished the ff-shot, here you go: http://imagebin.org/153721
[19:28] <pleia2> ochosi: thanks!
[19:29] <ochosi> pleia2: btw, the about-screenshot is a bit lame with the virtualbox parts... ;)
[19:29] <ochosi> you could send the original to me and i can remove that if you want
[19:29] <ochosi> (or is it intentional?)
[19:29] <pleia2> oops
[19:29]  * pleia2 fixes
[19:31] <ochosi> charlie-tca: btw, suggestion for xubuntu+1 default install: https://code.google.com/p/touchegg/
[19:31] <ochosi> (kubuntu are doing it as well, i think the move makes sense)
[19:33] <knome> ochosi, have you tried that yourself?
[19:33] <ochosi> knome: yes
[19:33] <knome> okay
[19:33] <ochosi> with an apple trackpad
[19:33]  * ochosi hides
[19:33] <charlie-tca> ochosi: kubuntu will look at it because it is using QT - Touchégg is a multi-touch gestures recognizer written in C + + using the Qt 4 and utouch-geis. 
[19:34] <charlie-tca> We do not have QT installed by default, and it does increase the size of things considerably
[19:34] <ochosi> right, didn't think of that
[19:34] <ochosi> i guess when i installed it i already had qt
[19:34] <ochosi> so i didn't notice
[19:34] <charlie-tca> it is a good fit for KDE
[19:35] <ochosi> well anyway, i think xfce/xubuntu could be a bit better with touchpad configuration
[19:35] <ochosi> atm it's really very basic
[19:35] <charlie-tca> disclaimer:  charlie-tca will be testing kubuntu accessibility this cycle
[19:35] <charlie-tca> agreed, we could stand to be better, but not through QT 
[19:35] <pleia2> https://www-admin.xubuntu.org/tour done \o/
[19:35] <pleia2> err
[19:35] <pleia2> xubuntu.org/tour :)
[19:36] <ochosi> charlie-tca: nice, this way we can compare their accessibility to ours
[19:36] <charlie-tca> Theirs is not quite as good as what we don't have
[19:36] <ochosi> you speak in miracles, charlie-tca 
[19:37] <knome> pleia2, nice screenshots! :)
[19:37] <charlie-tca> Xfce 4.10 will include accessibility
[19:37] <ochosi> well done pleia2 
[19:37] <charlie-tca> for now, we use gnome stuff
[19:37] <ochosi> k, get what you mean now
[19:37] <ochosi> well, it'll be a while till xfce 4.10 i guess...
[19:37] <charlie-tca> I would like to see at-registryd installed by default, so that the other accessibility that relies on it will just work, though
[19:38] <ochosi> unless the latest cycle has changed their release policy
[19:38] <charlie-tca> yup
[19:38] <charlie-tca> we are looking at maybe 12.04 for 4.10
[19:38] <ochosi> would be nice, since it's the next lts if i'm not mistaken
[19:39] <charlie-tca> yeah, which means three years without 4.10 if it doesn't make it
[19:40] <charlie-tca> ochosi: thanks for looking out for better accessibility stuff. 
[19:42] <knome> pleia2, as it seems like it's going to take a while before we get the staging site, would you be ready to work with me to integrate the new logo into the xubuntu site?
[19:42] <pleia2> knome: yep, but I want it to be as little work as possible :)
[19:42] <pleia2> if we can just swap out the logo that'd be nice
[19:42] <knome> pleia2, i think we could drop the curve on the white area, and also get rid of the top baby blue bar
[19:42] <ochosi> charlie-tca: sure, np. maybe we can still find some solution for touchpads or whatever. i also hope to be able to improve greybird and make it even more accessible
[19:43] <charlie-tca> We just have to keep looking. We can find something, I am sure.
[19:43] <ochosi> knome, pleia2: having something like the ubiquity installer slideshow on the frontpage, is that for after the wordpress migration?
[19:43] <knome> ochosi, yeah.
[19:44] <pleia2> knome: the drupal theme code is at lp:xubuntu-website and that can just be pushed when we are ready (I just nudge cody)
[19:44] <knome> okay...
[19:44] <knome> ugh :)
[19:44] <knome> i didn't want to hear that, but okay
[19:45] <pleia2> knome: we might just have to suffice with updating https://www-admin.xubuntu.org/themes/xubuntu810/img/xubuntu_logo_slogan.png
[19:45] <ochosi> bbl
[19:45] <pleia2> the curve remains, but we can at least get the logo sorted
[19:46] <knome> well...
[19:46] <knome> while i'm on that, i'd rather just drop the curve really
[19:46] <pleia2> it just seems that dropping the curve is going to require a lot more work
[19:46] <knome> of course, but it's still not massive, really :)
[19:46] <knome> there's no more work for you
[19:47] <knome> i'll edit the css with web dev extension
[19:47] <knome> so i can make sure it works
[19:47] <pleia2> ok
[19:47] <knome> do we want to keep the slogan?
[19:47] <pleia2> I don't think so
[19:47] <knome> okay
[23:58] <cody-somerville> ugh oh.
[23:59] <cody-somerville> my xfce4-settings-helper on my maverick laptop dies horribly with _chunk(): invalid pointer
[23:59] <cody-somerville> : - (