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| bazhang | * [Sug] (~r00t@122.173.220.92): lalo did someone mention sug being jungli? | 12:26 |
| LjL | bazhang: wasn't it larstorben? | 12:29 |
| bazhang | LjL, that IP looks like one jungli would use; iirc he was asking for a cloak on #freenode with the nick 'sug' a short while back | 12:30 |
| LjL | hmmm. maybe i remember wrong. | 12:30 |
| bazhang | and since his new bouncer is now banned, probably ban evading that way | 12:31 |
| ikonia | bazhang: that is jungli | 12:46 |
| bazhang | ikonia, thought so. he seems to have logged off for now, this was a couple of hours ago | 12:46 |
| ikonia | just stuck a forward on to catch him | 12:46 |
| bazhang | thanks | 12:47 |
| ikonia | no, thank you | 12:47 |
| Pici | ugh, a forward. | 12:52 |
| LjL | fun times | 12:53 |
| Ileden | Hello. I think nick D34X might be abusing the support channel for his own amusement. I asked a question, he replied to me in private claiming channel is "too flooded", and his/her advice has been rather weird (I can provide details). What should be done? | 14:03 |
| Tm_T | hi Iltsu | 14:04 |
| Ileden | Hi :) | 14:04 |
| Tm_T | Ileden: you can ask him to not PM but only provide support in channel | 14:04 |
| Tm_T | !pm | 14:04 |
| ubottu | Please ask your questions in the channel so that other people can help you, benefit from your questions and answers, and ensure that you're not getting bad advice. Please note that some people find it rude to be sent a PM without being asked for permission to do so first. | 14:04 |
| LjL | Ileden: please do provide details on the advice he gave | 14:05 |
| Ileden | LjL: Ok. The problem is after upgrading to 11.04 my display is pretty messed up. Pic here (which I did link to him): http://ileden.kapsi.fi/dist/ubuntu-11-04-messed-up.jpg He then adviced me to dualboot to Win2000, to get it's color scheme to cross over to Ubuntu to fix the issue. | 14:06 |
| LjL | ... | 14:06 |
| LjL | interesting advice indeed | 14:06 |
| Tm_T | LjL: beat me to it | 14:06 |
| Ileden | indeed. here's the queote: 15:54 <D34X> if you have a copy of windows 2000 or later, the color scheme from that should cross over into ubuntu | 14:07 |
| Ileden | 15:55 <Ileden> color scheme should cross over? | 14:07 |
| Ileden | 15:55 <D34X> Color cross, yeah | 14:07 |
| elky | I think he's counting on the monitor settings being altered by windows, which isn't exactly that far-fetched afaik | 14:07 |
| Tm_T | elky: you mean color profiles? | 14:08 |
| elky | whatever they're called | 14:08 |
| Ileden | elky: hm... He does seem ok otherwise, that's why I'm a bit confused. | 14:08 |
| LjL | i've asked a short question similar to yours, want to see if i get any PM, but none so far | 14:08 |
| Tm_T | anyway, it's always good to try push the support conversation back to channel, so other's can provide the input | 14:09 |
| jussi | could it be he accidently PM'ed the wrong user? | 14:09 |
| Ileden | jussi: no, we had a working conversation about the problem. | 14:09 |
| LjL | Ileden: maybe you could try asking him (in the channel perhaps) what the mechanism is, to his knowledge, that carries over the "color scheme" to Ubuntu | 14:10 |
| Ileden | I'm just worried he/she might be messing up other easier victims on the channel. | 14:10 |
| Ileden | LjL: I asked that from him in private. | 14:12 |
| Ileden | Hmm, how do I grab the backlog to a file in irssi? | 14:13 |
| Ileden | Well, his reply is either beyond my knowledge of technology, or rather out-there :D. 16:13 <D34X> What will happen is that the ubuntu color code will travel through windows to the processor. While going through windows, some of the code will be recognized as color cheme/video out and will e fed through the windows video codecs. When they go through, they will be over written if any of them are corrupted | 14:15 |
| LjL | total nonsense | 14:17 |
| Ileden | Anyway, just wanted to bring this to your attention. If you still need something from me regarding this, do ask. I can provide the log of the chat, but then again I could of course just write some up myself if I wanted to so that's not much of evidence :) | 14:17 |
| LjL | i think he's a troll | 14:17 |
| LjL | i don't use irssi sorry | 14:17 |
| LjL | Ileden: yeah we'd probably want at least another report | 14:18 |
| LjL | Ileden: which is why i tried to frame him but it didn't work :P | 14:18 |
| Ileden | LjL hm, would you be able to steal my nick somehow for this purpose? | 14:18 |
| LjL | Ileden: not without him realizing i suspect | 14:19 |
| LjL | anyway we'll certainly keep an eye on him | 14:20 |
| Ileden | yeah. well, depends on his skills i guess. evidence of them isn't very good so far ;) | 14:21 |
| Ileden | yup. well, thanks for the audience, I'll go back to the channel to ask for help. | 14:22 |
| LjL | Ileden: i don't feel very comfortable trying that trick, to be honest | 14:22 |
| Ileden | LjL: Understandable. | 14:23 |
| ubottu | FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (cv99f appears to be abusive and has been muted, will need to be UNMUTED MANUALLY) | 14:45 |
| Ileden | Here's the full log of my conversation with D34X. It's somewhat plausible there's no malicious intent, just very weird confusion. But probably not. http://ileden.kapsi.fi/dist/log-ileden-d34x-2011-05-18.txt | 14:51 |
| Ileden | I'll leave you now. Thanks for the audience. :) | 14:51 |
| ikonia | not very happy with what I read in that conversation | 14:52 |
| LjL | me either | 14:52 |
| ikonia | speak to him when he comes baclk | 14:53 |
| ikonia | back | 14:53 |
| Pici | ikonia: is fujisan banned in there? | 14:54 |
| jussi | what happened to prompt that ban ? | 14:54 |
| ikonia | has been in the past - don't see a value to him being in the channel | 14:54 |
| ikonia | he's too much of a long term issue | 14:54 |
| ikonia | it's been cleared out with the mass ban clear out, due to one of the MANY evades he's done | 14:54 |
| ikonia | after all the behaviour he does with people in pm/channel everything, I don't want him in there | 14:55 |
| ikonia | sorry if that doesn't fit in with the current guidelines but I'm not prepared to allow his behaviour to start up again | 14:56 |
| fujisan | IdleOne!~IdleOne@ubuntu/member/idleone on Sat Jan 01 21:39:20 | 14:58 |
| fujisan | <fujisan> i was just banned from ubuntu-offtopic while doing nothing wrong :( by someone who just doesnt like me and happens to be an @dmin there, what can i do? | 14:58 |
| ikonia | fujisan: I've explained the reason I re-banned you | 14:59 |
| ikonia | it's nothing to do with not liking you | 14:59 |
| fujisan | he or she said the ban was removed by accident but i dont believe this | 14:59 |
| ikonia | you have that many bans in place in #ubuntu channels your ban has been removed by mistake. I've put it back | 14:59 |
| fujisan | so can someone check if this is true please | 14:59 |
| fujisan | if its true i can accept it and just forget about it | 14:59 |
| fujisan | but i dont trust this person to be fair in this particular | 14:59 |
| fujisan | case | 14:59 |
| LjL | i will check | 14:59 |
| Pici | We did clean up our ban lists recently, its very possible that a ban was removed accidentally. | 14:59 |
| ikonia | there was so many bans under many nicks/ips | 15:00 |
| fujisan | evidence? | 15:00 |
| Tm_T | AFAIK it is how ikonia said it is | 15:00 |
| Pici | fujisan: We'll wait for LjL's response. | 15:00 |
| fujisan | okay that seems fair | 15:00 |
| fujisan | and also ikonia you could have send me a pvt message and ask me to leave if i was evading a ban | 15:01 |
| fujisan | i mean now i look like someone evil | 15:01 |
| fujisan | but i was having a friendly conversation | 15:01 |
| fujisan | i have feelings too you now | 15:01 |
| fujisan | i made an effort i changed my behaviour on irc | 15:02 |
| fujisan | ask in macosx where you also idle | 15:02 |
| ikonia | fujisan: that time has long past | 15:02 |
| fujisan | just ask them | 15:02 |
| ikonia | no | 15:02 |
| LjL | yes fujisan the last ban i have on you was removed by staff during a mass-ban-removal | 15:02 |
| LjL | i don't have complete logs though so that might not be entirely accurate | 15:02 |
| fujisan | ok well then i will just have to accept that ikonia gets to decide who gets to chat and not no problem, but thats not in the spirit of ubuntu | 15:02 |
| fujisan | bu bye | 15:03 |
| Tm_T | ehh, interesting interpretation | 15:18 |
| ikonia | joined #debian-offtopic and said is it ok if I switch to debian and chat here as well as trying to provoke in #macosx - I just see no reason to allow this person to use the ubuntu channels | 15:20 |
| Tm_T | indeed | 15:21 |
| ubottu | FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (awfjq appears to be abusive and has been muted, will need to be UNMUTED MANUALLY) | 17:14 |
| Pici | meh | 17:23 |
| ubottu | FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (rt6765 appears to be abusive and has been muted, will need to be UNMUTED MANUALLY) | 17:27 |
| ubottu | FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (Compiz exploit) | 20:05 |
| ubottu | FloodBot2 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (Compiz exploit) | 20:05 |
| ubottu | FloodBot3 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (Compiz exploit) | 20:05 |
| Jordan_U | !exploit | 20:08 |
| ubottu | There are people around who think it is funny to abuse a bug in certain routers by sending invalid DCC commands. When bitten by this bug ops in #ubuntu remove users so they are no longer targets. To fix it have a look here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixDCCExploit | 20:08 |
| LjL | different exploit, factoid / wiki should be updated... or perhaps who cares :P | 20:09 |
| Jordan_U | Is there a good link explaining the compiz / apturl exploit which can be used? | 20:09 |
| Jordan_U | Is it even a good idea to give a link after telling users not to click untrusted links? | 20:10 |
| LjL | links by ubottu aren't untrusted :P | 20:10 |
| Jordan_U | LjL: Yes, but links from ubollu might not be, or other standard tricks. | 20:10 |
| LjL | well, if you ask me, the "don't click on untrusted link" thing is a bit silly | 20:11 |
| LjL | i added it to the bot, but it's silly nonetheless | 20:11 |
| LjL | i click on untrusted links | 20:11 |
| LjL | that's sort of the *point* of links | 20:11 |
| Jordan_U | LjL: Then were you one of the people who helped spread the javascript based IRC spamming some time back? | 20:12 |
| LjL | i doubt it | 20:13 |
| LjL | but even if i had been, that would really have not been my fault | 20:13 |
| LjL | clicking on links is what the hypertext idea *is* | 20:13 |
| Jordan_U | I disagree. | 20:13 |
| LjL | can't blame users for obvious deficiencies of the software | 20:13 |
| LjL | you may disagree with facts all you want, but that's the idea of the world wide web. | 20:14 |
| Jordan_U | LjL: Just because the software has vulnerabilities does not mean that you, knowing that such vulnerabilities exist, are not also at fault for reckless behavior. | 20:14 |
| LjL | browing the web is not "reckless behavior" | 20:15 |
| mbeierl | should the ubottu "exploit" factoid be updated in light of the apt:// exploit? it's leading people to believe the apt:// is actually the DCC exploit | 20:15 |
| LjL | yes it should | 20:15 |
| LjL | but i'm too lazy to do it | 20:15 |
| LjL | feel free to edit the wiki if you want, and have more information about the apt exploit, and then we can fix the factoid too | 20:15 |
| mbeierl | k, I couldn't find the report on it so I can't help propose a proper link :( | 20:16 |
| mbeierl | I'll search some more and come back if I find a decent source to quote | 20:16 |
| LjL | thanks | 20:16 |
| mbeierl | LjL: don't know where/how to edit wiki: here's a fairly good url for the apt exploit: http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-1132-1/ | 20:20 |
| LjL | !no exploit is <reply> There are people around who think it is funny to abuse certain bugs that cause unintended behavior. When bitten by these, #ubuntu remove users so they are no longer targets. To fix it have a look here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixDCCExploit and more about a recent bug at http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-1132-1/ | 20:21 |
| ubottu | In #ubuntu-ops, LjL said: !no exploit is <reply> There are people around who think it is funny to abuse certain bugs that cause unintended behavior. When bitten by these, #ubuntu remove users so they are no longer targets. To fix it have a look here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixDCCExploit and more about a recent bug at http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-1132-1/ | 20:21 |
| mbeierl | LjL: thanks! ciao | 20:22 |
| IdleOne | !no exploit is <reply> There are people around who think it is funny to abuse certain bugs that cause unintended behavior. When bitten by these, #ubuntu remove users so they are no longer targets. To fix it have a look here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixDCCExploit and more about a recent bug at http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-1132-1/ | 20:22 |
| ubottu | I'll remember that IdleOne | 20:22 |
| IdleOne | I don't think that is going to be helpful to anyone really. The bug is fixed, we need to focus on keeping the spam out of the channel. | 20:23 |
| LjL | i think people have a right to know what cause(s|d) their systems to crash | 20:23 |
| IdleOne | absolutely | 20:24 |
| rww | i think people should subscribe to ubuntu-security-announce, but i live in dreamworld :( | 20:24 |
| IdleOne | Now that the bug is fixed I think our goal should be to protect the channel from spammers | 20:25 |
| Pici | rww: Hows the weather there? | 20:25 |
| rww | 25C and a slight breeze | 20:26 |
| LjL | IdleOne: well do you have proposals on protecting it better than we're doing now? | 20:27 |
| IdleOne | LjL: I wish I did | 20:27 |
| rww | #ubuntu's already +m, I think we're g... oh, sorry, was still in dreamworld | 20:27 |
| Jordan_U | Looks like we at least didn't lose anyone that time. | 20:28 |
| IdleOne | I think floodbot's are doing a good job catching the spammers but I wish there was a way to prevent it from happening | 20:28 |
| LjL | IdleOne: well i used to set modes immediately when i detected possibly malicious hosts, but that didn't work ideally well | 20:29 |
| rww | move to OFTC and thus stop being targeted by the people being obnoxious because they dislike freenode ;P? | 20:29 |
| * Pici remembers back to a time when we didn't have floodbots | 20:29 | |
| Jordan_U | Split #ubuntu into #ubuntu-input and #ubuntu-output. Nobody will be voiced in #ubuntu-input, and only bots will relay messages in #ubuntu-output. | 20:29 |
| Pici | Jordan_U: hah | 20:29 |
| * LjL remembers back to a time when we had 700 VERSION requests disconnecting 200 users and then we set +r for half an hour and then manually kicked people out of -unregged | 20:30 | |
| LjL | it wasn't too nice :P | 20:30 |
| Pici | yep | 20:30 |
| LjL | Jordan_U: i actually used to set +mz and relay messages manually at times of serious issues | 20:30 |
| Pici | I still have some of those aliases. | 20:30 |
| rww | I don't remember that. I'm little! | 20:30 |
| LjL | also, when the DCC exploit actually disconnected a crapton of people | 20:31 |
| LjL | but now fortunately things have changed, we have bots to do our work for us, and so we're free to bicker about appeals and policies and stuff all the time! | 20:35 |
| rww | hehe | 20:35 |
| ikonia | [min|dvir|us] | 20:38 |
| ikonia | is mindvirus banned ? | 20:38 |
| ikonia | @btlogin | 20:38 |
| ikonia | I can see lots of old bans removed, but nothing current | 20:41 |
| Pici | Maybe he was banned elsewhere and changed his nick to evade that? | 20:41 |
| Pici | Somewhere non #ubuntu* | 20:41 |
| ikonia | he's had enough bans in #ubuntu to change his nick, he probably doesn't know he's not banned | 20:42 |
| ikonia | he changed it to m1ndvirus to get around one in offtopic I think | 20:42 |
| ikonia | hence my wondering | 20:42 |
| rww | oh, that reminds me, the floodbot +bqe pruning is going on hiatus until we hit b+q+e+I=400 because i'm lazy and more people need to be banned because i'm cynical today | 20:42 |
| Pici | rww you're making floodbot changes? | 20:44 |
| rww | no, I prune them manually | 20:44 |
| rww | well, with the help of a script that tells me +bqe that have been set for > 1 week and aren't #ubuntu-read-topic redirects. | 20:45 |
| Pici | Ah | 20:46 |
| rww | b+q+e+I=400 is also when the rww "who has the most bans" leaderboard is going to start appearing. so that's fun. | 20:46 |
| Pici | ooh ooh | 20:46 |
| rww | (400 being 80% full) | 20:46 |
| Pici | I bet its ikonia. | 20:46 |
| ikonia | I wise bet | 20:47 |
| rww | I would not recommend betting against Pici there. | 20:47 |
| ikonia | a | 20:47 |
| Pici | After all, ikonia controls who can and cannot talk on #ubuntu channels. | 20:47 |
| ikonia | thats just how I roll | 20:48 |
| rww | ikonia and illuminati both start with i | 20:48 |
| Pici | oooh | 20:48 |
| ikonia | you're putting it all together | 20:48 |
| rww | Pici: slightly more difficultly, who are the two other people with more bans than the FloodBots ;P | 20:49 |
| Pici | hmm | 20:50 |
| ikonia | errr idleone ? | 20:50 |
| Pici | rww: bazhang and ikonia | 20:50 |
| LjL | me! me! | 20:50 |
| Pici | er, IdleOne | 20:50 |
| ikonia | Pici: too late, you said bazhang | 20:50 |
| Pici | 'two people' | 20:50 |
| rww | (for reference, FloodBots have 26, this doesn't count quiets, but does count bans that lost their owners on banlists (I grabbed their owners manually)) | 20:50 |
| IdleOne | why me? | 20:51 |
| ikonia | oh, IdleOne was in place of me | 20:51 |
| ikonia | seemed like a good guess | 20:51 |
| LjL | so it's not me? :( | 20:51 |
| rww | Pici: no on both bazhang and IdleOne ;P | 20:51 |
| ikonia | oooh | 20:52 |
| jrib | hmm, really...? | 20:52 |
| ikonia | do we get clues ? | 20:52 |
| rww | one of them's a newbie | 20:52 |
| rww | IdleOne has 8, bazhang has 3 | 20:52 |
| Pici | rww! | 20:52 |
| rww | I have 4 ;P | 20:52 |
| LjL | jordan | 20:52 |
| rww | LjL: Jordan_U's second place, yup. | 20:52 |
| Pici | He must do those when I'm not around | 20:52 |
| Jordan_U | :) | 20:52 |
| LjL | and jpds | 20:53 |
| ikonia | ahhh, jpds was a good bet | 20:53 |
| rww | jpds only has 21, so nope | 20:53 |
| ikonia | ooh, double wrong | 20:53 |
| LjL | jrib then? | 20:53 |
| rww | jrib has 10 | 20:53 |
| LjL | ME! | 20:53 |
| rww | you have 3 | 20:53 |
| LjL | :( | 20:53 |
| jrib | pfft | 20:53 |
| rww | new clue: the third-place person is an IRCC member | 20:54 |
| IdleOne | what about rww | 20:54 |
| Pici | tsimpson | 20:54 |
| LjL | teeerrrence | 20:54 |
| rww | Pici: yup! | 20:54 |
| LjL | simpson! | 20:54 |
| LjL | well, anyway i decide who the floodbots actually ban, and the floodbots have the most bans | 20:55 |
| LjL | so it's really... ME! | 20:55 |
| ikonia | it's always about LjL | 20:55 |
| ikonia | doh | 20:55 |
| LjL | yes yes | 20:55 |
| rww | no they don't, they have 26 and are 4th place ;P | 20:55 |
| LjL | :( | 20:55 |
| rww | and that's all of them collectively | 20:55 |
| LjL | they don't have separate identities! | 20:55 |
| Pici | heh | 20:55 |
| rww | oh whatever, I'll just do it now. http://rww.name/dump/scoreboard.txt has everyone on it ;) | 20:55 |
| ikonia | hi log readers | 20:56 |
| ikonia | feeding time | 20:56 |
| Pici | I'm Pici, I'll be your host tonight. | 20:56 |
| rww | (and yes, I can list all the bans an op has if you feel like cleaning up) | 20:56 |
| LjL | i'd clean up but i don't have op, what a pity :( | 20:57 |
| Pici | rww: would you mind pasting them somewhere for me? | 20:57 |
| rww | LjL: I can fix that if you want | 20:57 |
| rww | Pici: yours? | 20:57 |
| LjL | nah | 20:57 |
| tsimpson | I do try and remove bans you know, at least when ubottu reminds me :) | 20:57 |
| Pici | rww: Yes, mine please. | 20:57 |
| LjL | tsimpson: at least you're trying ;( | 20:58 |
| Pici | I don't care about anyone else ;P | 20:58 |
| LjL | Pici: it's always about YOU, isn't it | 20:58 |
| rww | http://rww.name/dump/censorshipbypici.txt | 20:58 |
| LjL | lol | 20:58 |
| tsimpson | if you see bans by me that probably should be removed, just go ahead and remove them | 20:58 |
| tsimpson | or just poke me to remove them | 20:58 |
| LjL | rww: can i have greatjusticebyljl.txt | 20:58 |
| Pici | rww: ... thanks | 20:58 |
| rww | LjL: http://rww.name/dump/deathbyphpcode.txt | 20:59 |
| LjL | :| | 20:59 |
| jrib | appropriate | 21:00 |
| rww | oh look, proof of my hypothesis that LjL pretty much already has ops ;P | 21:00 |
| LjL | any ubuntu member want to help gnugr in #ubuntu-gr getting rid of a spammer? there is no op in there, but ubuntu/member is in the access list | 21:48 |
| LjL | IdleOne: none of the ops is currently on irc, the founder was last seen "about one week ago", the channel doesn't seem to be in a particularly good state :\ | 21:56 |
| IdleOne | well one week is not that long. | 21:56 |
| LjL | gnugr asked me to find freenode staff, he didn't quite get that freenode staff wouldn't do anything :P | 21:56 |
| LjL | IdleOne: no no, but it's long if none of the other ops are around either :P | 21:56 |
| IdleOne | ping me if you need me in there and maybe lRCC member can idle there also | 21:57 |
| LjL | ok thanks | 21:58 |
| IdleOne | btw I don't speak greek so | 21:58 |
| LjL | IdleOne: they're just talking about you, not to you | 21:59 |
| IdleOne | yeah I figured | 21:59 |
| rww | fujisan: hello | 22:49 |
| fujisan | hi | 22:49 |
| rww | fujisan: Anything we can help you with? | 22:49 |
| fujisan | i want to chat about ubuntu but it seems to not be possible any suggestions? | 22:50 |
| rww | fujisan: Ubuntu Forums | 22:50 |
| fujisan | i prefer irc | 22:52 |
| fujisan | is freenode the only server for ubuntu chatter? | 22:52 |
| rww | fujisan: All the official Ubuntu channels are on freenode, as far as I know. I don't know of other servers with Ubuntu channels. | 22:53 |
| rww | fujisan: If there isn't anything related to the core channels, please take note of our no-idling policy. | 22:53 |
| fujisan | oh ye i was wondering about the status of my complaints | 22:54 |
| rww | fujisan: which complaints? | 22:54 |
| rww | if you mean the stuff about #ubuntu-nl* earlier this week, I note that this channel still is not the place for LoCo channel issues, as I said at the time | 22:54 |
| fujisan | about the admin ikonia who banned me just because of my history claiming the ban was pre-existing too hard to explain i came in for it earlier but i didnt safe the log | 22:55 |
| fujisan | sorry | 22:55 |
| fujisan | save* | 22:55 |
| rww | ah, one sec, I'll peruse the scrollback. | 22:55 |
| fujisan | rww no that ubuntu-nl issue was for the irc council | 22:55 |
| fujisan | the ubuntu-irc council | 22:55 |
| rww | fujisan: you'd want to ask the IRC Council about your problems with ikonia too, from the looks of it. | 22:56 |
| fujisan | thanks rww :) | 22:56 |
| fujisan | rww perhaps | 22:56 |
| CarlFK | (09:02:54 AM) fujisan: ok well then i will just have to accept that ikonia gets to decide who gets to chat and not no problem, but thats not in the spirit of ubuntu | 22:56 |
| CarlFK | seams you have not accepted that. | 22:56 |
| fujisan | how can you accept injustice | 22:56 |
| fujisan | i could ask in philosophy perhaps | 22:57 |
| rww | fujisan: Lots and lots of apathy, and knowledge that there are people with oversight over the other ops. Who you should talk to. | 22:57 |
| fujisan | it's just a weird policy to ban someone on side who used to be on the banlist | 22:57 |
| fujisan | i dont see the honesty in it | 22:57 |
| rww | fujisan: It's an interesting situation, yes. | 22:58 |
| CarlFK | given what we have to work with, it works. There is no need for more resources to be put into it. | 22:58 |
| fujisan | sight* | 22:58 |
| fujisan | CarlFK yes you are entitled to that opinion | 22:58 |
| fujisan | but how is that in the spirit of ubuntu? | 22:58 |
| CarlFK | is or isn/t, it doesn't matter. | 22:59 |
| fujisan | not to you but to me it does matter | 22:59 |
| fujisan | i dont have any friends outside of IRC | 22:59 |
| CarlFK | open source in general relises on people doing what they think is right. | 23:00 |
| fujisan | but Ubuntu isn't a philosophy? | 23:00 |
| CarlFK | fujisan: I suggest you take up the frinds problem in #philosophy or some such channel.. that is a problem that should not be discussed here. | 23:00 |
| fujisan | i know CarlFK just saying | 23:01 |
| fujisan | i have a social phobia | 23:01 |
| fujisan | ok i will leave then bu bye | 23:01 |
| CarlFK | bye. | 23:01 |
| fujisan | and thanks for your time CarlFK and rww especially :) | 23:01 |
| LjL | @mark fujisan | 23:01 |
| * rww hits /name | 23:01 | |
| ubottu | The operation succeeded. | 23:01 |
| rww | UndiFineD: hi, something we can help you with? | 23:02 |
| UndiFineD | rww, heh, I just looked up ubuntu on quakenet | 23:02 |
| IdleOne | speak now or forever be +q'ed | 23:02 |
| * popey speaks just in case | 23:02 | |
| LjL | blah blah blah | 23:02 |
| elky | rww, #ubuntu-irc-council exists for redirecting the occasional 'for the ircc' soliloquy | 23:02 |
| rww | UndiFineD: yeah, I think there are a couple of unofficial ones out there. I don't venture past OFTC though, so... | 23:03 |
| IdleOne | /mode +q popey 4EVA | 23:03 |
| UndiFineD | lol | 23:03 |
| rww | elky: I thought #ubuntu-irc-council was for entering, asking a question, and then getting /removed from while idle waiting for an answer. | 23:03 |
| IdleOne | hah | 23:03 |
| rww | sorry, that was bad | 23:03 |
| LjL | but probably true! | 23:03 |
| rww | elky: thanks, I'll bear that in mind | 23:03 |
| * IdleOne spits coffee all over his monitor | 23:03 | |
| rww | UndiFineD: anyways, as I mentioned to fujisan, if you don't have a core channel issue we can help with, please /part so we can keep better track of who needs help :) | 23:04 |
| UndiFineD | alright | 23:04 |
| UndiFineD | o/ | 23:04 |
| LjL | has his campaign been decided about? | 23:04 |
| LjL | or he is putting things together still | 23:05 |
| LjL | s/he is/is he/ | 23:05 |
| IdleOne | rww: did you change your position about the no-idling policy in here? | 23:05 |
| rww | IdleOne: yes. LjL doesn't like it so it must be good. | 23:05 |
| elky | rww, in such a case the hint might be worthwhile, else the reflex may be interrupted. Either way, there is a channel more suited to what can probably be termed drama class. | 23:05 |
| * LjL slaps rww | 23:05 | |
| rww | IdleOne: It was one of the things i pondered the last few weeks. | 23:06 |
| IdleOne | LjL: he has a point though | 23:06 |
| LjL | :\ | 23:06 |
| rww | no I don't :( | 23:06 |
| rww | elky: Drama class? Do you mean the one I'm thinking of, or #ubuntu-irc-council? | 23:06 |
| elky | rww, i mean the "known problem maker coming in here claiming innocence and making silly assertions for the lulz' thing. | 23:07 |
| IdleOne | elky: btw #ubuntu-gr needs a update to the access list. IRCC has no access there and there seems to be very few if any ops around. | 23:08 |
| LjL | though may want to wait for simosx and talk to them | 23:08 |
| LjL | they're not the channel founder, but they're the team leader on launchpad | 23:08 |
| IdleOne | yeah that ^ | 23:08 |
| elky | IdleOne, i recall it being said that ubuntu/member is on the access list? | 23:09 |
| LjL | yeah but maybe simosx himself should be +f at least, given the two people who're actually +f appear to be MIA | 23:10 |
| IdleOne | yes, but I thought maybe 1 or all ircc members can idle there also. they have been having issues with spam and no ops around to handle it. | 23:10 |
| elky | LjL, ah, so nobody to consent to the access list change? | 23:10 |
| IdleOne | so it appears | 23:11 |
| elky | Any staff watching? please do that^ | 23:11 |
| elky | </gc> | 23:11 |
| LjL | elky: wait actually i missed one who does have a +f (small +f not +F but i guess that will do) | 23:11 |
| elky | LjL, is said individual contactable? | 23:12 |
| LjL | i think the founder was originally Apokryphos but he left for SuSE, the alefteris but he's not been around for a long time, and then there is a Phantomas who's also away for 10 weeks | 23:12 |
| LjL | but this logari81 has come online now, and i didn't previously notice he has +f | 23:12 |
| LjL | might want to try talking to them | 23:12 |
| elky | LjL, have him meet me in -irc then | 23:12 |
| LjL | seeing if he speaks english, then will | 23:13 |
| elky | staff, logari81 has declined the assistance we have offered, so I retract the request. | 23:38 |
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