[05:09] <rww> whee!
[12:26] <bazhang> * [Sug] (~r00t@122.173.220.92): lalo  did someone mention sug being jungli?
[12:29] <LjL> bazhang: wasn't it larstorben?
[12:30] <bazhang> LjL, that IP looks like one jungli would use; iirc he was asking for a cloak on #freenode with the nick 'sug' a short while back
[12:30] <LjL> hmmm. maybe i remember wrong.
[12:31] <bazhang> and since his new bouncer is now banned, probably ban evading that way
[12:46] <ikonia> bazhang: that is jungli
[12:46] <bazhang> ikonia, thought so. he seems to have logged off for now, this was a couple of hours ago
[12:46] <ikonia> just stuck a forward on to catch him
[12:47] <bazhang> thanks
[12:47] <ikonia> no, thank you
[12:52] <Pici> ugh, a forward.
[12:53] <LjL> fun times
[14:03] <Ileden> Hello. I think nick D34X might be abusing the support channel for his own amusement. I asked a question, he replied to me in private claiming channel is "too flooded", and his/her advice has been rather weird (I can provide details). What should be done?
[14:04] <Tm_T> hi Iltsu
[14:04] <Ileden> Hi :)
[14:04] <Tm_T> Ileden: you can ask him to not PM but only provide support in channel
[14:04] <Tm_T> !pm
[14:05] <LjL> Ileden: please do provide details on the advice he gave
[14:06] <Ileden> LjL: Ok. The problem is after upgrading to 11.04 my display is pretty messed up. Pic here (which I did link to him): http://ileden.kapsi.fi/dist/ubuntu-11-04-messed-up.jpg He then adviced me to dualboot to Win2000, to get it's color scheme to cross over to Ubuntu to fix the issue.
[14:06] <LjL> ...
[14:06] <LjL> interesting advice indeed
[14:06] <Tm_T> LjL: beat me to it
[14:07] <Ileden> indeed. here's the queote: 15:54 <D34X> if you have a copy of windows 2000 or later, the color scheme from that should cross over into ubuntu
[14:07] <Ileden> 15:55 <Ileden> color scheme should cross over?
[14:07] <Ileden> 15:55 <D34X> Color cross, yeah
[14:07] <elky> I think he's counting on the monitor settings being altered by windows, which isn't exactly that far-fetched afaik
[14:08] <Tm_T> elky: you mean color profiles?
[14:08] <elky> whatever they're called
[14:08] <Ileden> elky: hm... He does seem ok otherwise, that's why I'm a bit confused.
[14:08] <LjL> i've asked a short question similar to yours, want to see if i get any PM, but none so far
[14:09] <Tm_T> anyway, it's always good to try push the support conversation back to channel, so other's can provide the input
[14:09] <jussi> could it be he accidently PM'ed the wrong user?
[14:09] <Ileden> jussi: no, we had a working conversation about the problem.
[14:10] <LjL> Ileden: maybe you could try asking him (in the channel perhaps) what the mechanism is, to his knowledge, that carries over the "color scheme" to Ubuntu
[14:10] <Ileden> I'm just worried he/she might be messing up other easier victims on the channel.
[14:12] <Ileden> LjL: I asked that from him in private.
[14:13] <Ileden> Hmm, how do I grab the backlog to a file in irssi?
[14:15] <Ileden> Well, his reply is either beyond my knowledge of technology, or rather out-there :D. 16:13 <D34X> What will happen is that the ubuntu color code will travel through windows to the processor.  While going through windows, some of the code will be recognized as color cheme/video out and will e fed through the windows video codecs.  When they go through, they will be over written if any of them are corrupted
[14:17] <LjL> total nonsense
[14:17] <Ileden> Anyway, just wanted to bring this to your attention. If you still need something from me regarding this, do ask. I can provide the log of the chat, but then again I could of course just write some up myself if I wanted to so that's not much of evidence :)
[14:17] <LjL> i think he's a troll
[14:17] <LjL> i don't use irssi sorry
[14:18] <LjL> Ileden: yeah we'd probably want at least another report
[14:18] <LjL> Ileden: which is why i tried to frame him but it didn't work :P
[14:18] <Ileden> LjL  hm, would you be able to steal my nick somehow for this purpose?
[14:19] <LjL> Ileden: not without him realizing i suspect
[14:20] <LjL> anyway we'll certainly keep an eye on him
[14:21] <Ileden> yeah. well, depends on his skills i guess. evidence of them isn't very good so far ;)
[14:22] <Ileden> yup. well, thanks for the audience, I'll go back to the channel to ask for help.
[14:22] <LjL> Ileden: i don't feel very comfortable trying that trick, to be honest
[14:23] <Ileden> LjL: Understandable.
[14:51] <Ileden> Here's the full log of my conversation with D34X. It's somewhat plausible there's no malicious intent, just very weird confusion. But probably not. http://ileden.kapsi.fi/dist/log-ileden-d34x-2011-05-18.txt
[14:51] <Ileden> I'll leave you now. Thanks for the audience. :)
[14:52] <ikonia> not very happy with what I read in that conversation
[14:52] <LjL> me either
[14:53] <ikonia> speak to him when he comes baclk
[14:53] <ikonia> back
[14:54] <Pici> ikonia: is fujisan banned in there?
[14:54] <jussi> what happened to prompt that ban ?
[14:54] <ikonia> has been in the past - don't see a value to him being in the channel
[14:54] <ikonia> he's too much of a long term issue
[14:54] <ikonia> it's been cleared out with the mass ban clear out, due to one of the MANY evades he's done
[14:55] <ikonia> after all the behaviour he does with people in pm/channel everything, I don't want him in there
[14:56] <ikonia> sorry if that doesn't fit in with the current guidelines but I'm not prepared to allow his behaviour to start up again
[14:58] <fujisan> IdleOne!~IdleOne@ubuntu/member/idleone on Sat Jan 01 21:39:20
 i was just banned from ubuntu-offtopic while doing nothing wrong :( by someone who just doesnt like me and happens to be an @dmin there, what can i do?
[14:59] <ikonia> fujisan: I've explained the reason I re-banned you
[14:59] <ikonia> it's nothing to do with not liking you
[14:59] <fujisan> he or she said the ban was removed by accident but i dont believe this
[14:59] <ikonia> you have that many bans in place in #ubuntu channels your ban has been removed by mistake. I've put it back
[14:59] <fujisan> so can someone check if this is true please
[14:59] <fujisan> if its true i can accept it and just forget about it
[14:59] <fujisan> but i dont trust this person to be fair in this particular
[14:59] <fujisan> case
[14:59] <LjL> i will check
[14:59] <Pici> We did clean up our ban lists recently, its very possible that a ban was removed accidentally.
[15:00] <ikonia> there was so many bans under many nicks/ips
[15:00] <fujisan> evidence?
[15:00] <Tm_T> AFAIK it is how ikonia said it is
[15:00] <Pici> fujisan: We'll wait for LjL's response.
[15:00] <fujisan> okay that seems fair
[15:01] <fujisan> and also ikonia you could have send me a pvt message and ask me to leave if i was evading a ban
[15:01] <fujisan> i mean now i look like someone evil
[15:01] <fujisan> but i was having a friendly conversation
[15:01] <fujisan> i have feelings too you now
[15:02] <fujisan> i made an effort i changed my behaviour on irc
[15:02] <fujisan> ask in macosx where you also idle
[15:02] <ikonia> fujisan: that time has long past
[15:02] <fujisan> just ask them
[15:02] <ikonia> no
[15:02] <LjL> yes fujisan the last ban i have on you was removed by staff during a mass-ban-removal
[15:02] <LjL> i don't have complete logs though so that might not be entirely accurate
[15:02] <fujisan> ok well then i will just have to accept that ikonia gets to decide who gets to chat and not no problem, but thats not in the spirit of ubuntu
[15:03] <fujisan> bu bye
[15:18] <Tm_T> ehh, interesting interpretation
[15:20] <ikonia> joined #debian-offtopic and said is it ok if I switch to debian and chat here as well as trying to provoke in #macosx - I just see no reason to allow this person to use the ubuntu channels
[15:21] <Tm_T> indeed
[17:23] <Pici> meh
[20:08] <Jordan_U> !exploit
[20:09] <LjL> different exploit, factoid / wiki should be updated... or perhaps who cares :P
[20:09] <Jordan_U> Is there a good link explaining the compiz / apturl exploit which can be used?
[20:10] <Jordan_U> Is it even a good idea to give a link after telling users not to click untrusted links?
[20:10] <LjL> links by ubottu aren't untrusted :P
[20:10] <Jordan_U> LjL: Yes, but links from ubollu might not be, or other standard tricks.
[20:11] <LjL> well, if you ask me, the "don't click on untrusted link" thing is a bit silly
[20:11] <LjL> i added it to the bot, but it's silly nonetheless
[20:11] <LjL> i click on untrusted links
[20:11] <LjL> that's sort of the *point* of links
[20:12] <Jordan_U> LjL: Then were you one of the people who helped spread the javascript based IRC spamming some time back?
[20:13] <LjL> i doubt it
[20:13] <LjL> but even if i had been, that would really have not been my fault
[20:13] <LjL> clicking on links is what the hypertext idea *is*
[20:13] <Jordan_U> I disagree.
[20:13] <LjL> can't blame users for obvious deficiencies of the software
[20:14] <LjL> you may disagree with facts all you want, but that's the idea of the world wide web.
[20:14] <Jordan_U> LjL: Just because the software has vulnerabilities does not mean that you, knowing that such vulnerabilities exist, are not also at fault for reckless behavior.
[20:15] <LjL> browing the web is not "reckless behavior"
[20:15] <mbeierl> should the ubottu "exploit" factoid be updated in light of the apt:// exploit?  it's leading people to believe the apt:// is actually the DCC exploit
[20:15] <LjL> yes it should
[20:15] <LjL> but i'm too lazy to do it
[20:15] <LjL> feel free to edit the wiki if you want, and have more information about the apt exploit, and then we can fix the factoid too
[20:16] <mbeierl> k, I couldn't find the report on it so I can't help propose a proper link :(
[20:16] <mbeierl> I'll search some more and come back if I find a decent source to quote
[20:16] <LjL> thanks
[20:20] <mbeierl> LjL: don't know where/how to edit wiki:  here's a fairly good url for the apt exploit: http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-1132-1/
[20:21] <LjL> !no exploit is <reply> There are people around who think it is funny to abuse certain bugs that cause unintended behavior. When bitten by these, #ubuntu remove users so they are no longer targets. To fix it have a look here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixDCCExploit and more about a recent bug at http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-1132-1/
[20:22] <mbeierl> LjL: thanks!  ciao
[20:22] <IdleOne> !no exploit is <reply> There are people around who think it is funny to abuse certain bugs that cause unintended behavior. When bitten by these, #ubuntu remove users so they are no longer targets. To fix it have a look here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixDCCExploit and more about a recent bug at http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-1132-1/
[20:23] <IdleOne> I don't think that is going to be helpful to anyone really. The bug is fixed, we need to focus on keeping the spam out of the channel.
[20:23] <LjL> i think people have a right to know what cause(s|d) their systems to crash
[20:24] <IdleOne> absolutely
[20:24] <rww> i think people should subscribe to ubuntu-security-announce, but i live in dreamworld :(
[20:25] <IdleOne> Now that the bug is fixed I think our goal should be to protect the channel from spammers
[20:25] <Pici> rww: Hows the weather there?
[20:26] <rww> 25C and a slight breeze
[20:27] <LjL> IdleOne: well do you have proposals on protecting it better than we're doing now?
[20:27] <IdleOne> LjL: I wish I did
[20:27] <rww> #ubuntu's already +m, I think we're g... oh, sorry, was still in dreamworld
[20:28] <Jordan_U> Looks like we at least didn't lose anyone that time.
[20:28] <IdleOne> I think floodbot's are doing a good job catching the spammers but I wish there was a way to prevent it from happening
[20:29] <LjL> IdleOne: well i used to set modes immediately when i detected possibly malicious hosts, but that didn't work ideally well
[20:29] <rww> move to OFTC and thus stop being targeted by the people being obnoxious because they dislike freenode ;P?
[20:29]  * Pici remembers back to a time when we didn't have floodbots
[20:29] <Jordan_U> Split #ubuntu into #ubuntu-input and #ubuntu-output. Nobody will be voiced in #ubuntu-input, and only bots will relay messages in #ubuntu-output.
[20:29] <Pici> Jordan_U: hah
[20:30]  * LjL remembers back to a time when we had 700 VERSION requests disconnecting 200 users and then we set +r for half an hour and then manually kicked people out of -unregged
[20:30] <LjL> it wasn't too nice :P
[20:30] <Pici> yep
[20:30] <LjL> Jordan_U: i actually used to set +mz and relay messages manually at times of serious issues
[20:30] <Pici> I still have some of those aliases.
[20:30] <rww> I don't remember that. I'm little!
[20:31] <LjL> also, when the DCC exploit actually disconnected a crapton of people
[20:35] <LjL> but now fortunately things have changed, we have bots to do our work for us, and so we're free to bicker about appeals and policies and stuff all the time!
[20:35] <rww> hehe
[20:38] <ikonia> [min|dvir|us]
[20:38] <ikonia> is mindvirus banned ?
[20:38] <ikonia> @btlogin
[20:41] <ikonia> I can see lots of old bans removed, but nothing current
[20:41] <Pici> Maybe he was banned elsewhere and changed his nick to evade that?
[20:41] <Pici> Somewhere non #ubuntu*
[20:42] <ikonia> he's had enough bans in #ubuntu to change his nick, he probably doesn't know he's not banned
[20:42] <ikonia> he changed it to m1ndvirus to get around one in offtopic I think
[20:42] <ikonia> hence my wondering
[20:42] <rww> oh, that reminds me, the floodbot +bqe pruning is going on hiatus until we hit b+q+e+I=400 because i'm lazy and more people need to be banned because i'm cynical today
[20:44] <Pici> rww you're making floodbot changes?
[20:44] <rww> no, I prune them manually
[20:45] <rww> well, with the help of a script that tells me +bqe that have been set for > 1 week and aren't #ubuntu-read-topic redirects.
[20:46] <Pici> Ah
[20:46] <rww> b+q+e+I=400 is also when the rww "who has the most bans" leaderboard is going to start appearing. so that's fun.
[20:46] <Pici> ooh ooh
[20:46] <rww> (400 being 80% full)
[20:46] <Pici> I bet its ikonia.
[20:47] <ikonia> I wise bet
[20:47] <rww> I would not recommend betting against Pici there.
[20:47] <ikonia> a
[20:47] <Pici> After all, ikonia controls who can and cannot talk on #ubuntu channels.
[20:48] <ikonia> thats just how I roll
[20:48] <rww> ikonia and illuminati both start with i
[20:48] <Pici> oooh
[20:48] <ikonia> you're putting it all together
[20:49] <rww> Pici: slightly more difficultly, who are the two other people with more bans than the FloodBots ;P
[20:50] <Pici> hmm
[20:50] <ikonia> errr idleone ?
[20:50] <Pici> rww: bazhang and ikonia
[20:50] <LjL> me! me!
[20:50] <Pici> er, IdleOne
[20:50] <ikonia> Pici: too late, you said bazhang
[20:50] <Pici> 'two people'
[20:50] <rww> (for reference, FloodBots have 26, this doesn't count quiets, but does count bans that lost their owners on banlists (I grabbed their owners manually))
[20:51] <IdleOne> why me?
[20:51] <ikonia> oh, IdleOne was in place of me
[20:51] <ikonia> seemed like a good guess
[20:51] <LjL> so it's not me? :(
[20:51] <rww> Pici: no on both bazhang and IdleOne ;P
[20:52] <ikonia> oooh
[20:52] <jrib> hmm, really...?
[20:52] <ikonia> do we get clues ?
[20:52] <rww> one of them's a newbie
[20:52] <rww> IdleOne has 8, bazhang has 3
[20:52] <Pici> rww!
[20:52] <rww> I have 4 ;P
[20:52] <LjL> jordan
[20:52] <rww> LjL: Jordan_U's second place, yup.
[20:52] <Pici> He must do those when I'm not around
[20:52] <Jordan_U> :)
[20:53] <LjL> and jpds
[20:53] <ikonia> ahhh, jpds was a good bet
[20:53] <rww> jpds only has 21, so nope
[20:53] <ikonia> ooh, double wrong
[20:53] <LjL> jrib then?
[20:53] <rww> jrib has 10
[20:53] <LjL> ME!
[20:53] <rww> you have 3
[20:53] <LjL> :(
[20:53] <jrib> pfft
[20:54] <rww> new clue: the third-place person is an IRCC member
[20:54] <IdleOne> what about rww
[20:54] <Pici> tsimpson
[20:54] <LjL> teeerrrence
[20:54] <rww> Pici: yup!
[20:54] <LjL> simpson!
[20:55] <LjL> well, anyway i decide who the floodbots actually ban, and the floodbots have the most bans
[20:55] <LjL> so it's really... ME!
[20:55] <ikonia> it's always about LjL
[20:55] <ikonia> doh
[20:55] <LjL> yes yes
[20:55] <rww> no they don't, they have 26 and are 4th place ;P
[20:55] <LjL> :(
[20:55] <rww> and that's all of them collectively
[20:55] <LjL> they don't have separate identities!
[20:55] <Pici> heh
[20:55] <rww> oh whatever, I'll just do it now. http://rww.name/dump/scoreboard.txt has everyone on it ;)
[20:56] <ikonia> hi log readers
[20:56] <ikonia> feeding time
[20:56] <Pici> I'm Pici, I'll be your host tonight.
[20:56] <rww> (and yes, I can list all the bans an op has if you feel like cleaning up)
[20:57] <LjL> i'd clean up but i don't have op, what a pity :(
[20:57] <Pici> rww: would you mind pasting them somewhere for me?
[20:57] <rww> LjL: I can fix that if you want
[20:57] <rww> Pici: yours?
[20:57] <LjL> nah
[20:57] <tsimpson> I do try and remove bans you know, at least when ubottu reminds me :)
[20:57] <Pici> rww: Yes, mine please.
[20:58] <LjL> tsimpson: at least you're trying ;(
[20:58] <Pici> I don't care about anyone else ;P
[20:58] <LjL> Pici: it's always about YOU, isn't it
[20:58] <rww> http://rww.name/dump/censorshipbypici.txt
[20:58] <LjL> lol
[20:58] <tsimpson> if you see bans by me that probably should be removed, just go ahead and remove them
[20:58] <tsimpson> or just poke me to remove them
[20:58] <LjL> rww: can i have greatjusticebyljl.txt
[20:58] <Pici> rww: ...  thanks
[20:59] <rww> LjL: http://rww.name/dump/deathbyphpcode.txt
[20:59] <LjL> :|
[21:00] <jrib> appropriate
[21:00] <rww> oh look, proof of my hypothesis that LjL pretty much already has ops ;P
[21:48] <LjL> any ubuntu member want to help gnugr in #ubuntu-gr getting rid of a spammer? there is no op in there, but ubuntu/member is in the access list
[21:56] <LjL> IdleOne: none of the ops is currently on irc, the founder was last seen "about one week ago", the channel doesn't seem to be in a particularly good state :\
[21:56] <IdleOne> well one week is not that long.
[21:56] <LjL> gnugr asked me to find freenode staff, he didn't quite get that freenode staff wouldn't do anything :P
[21:56] <LjL> IdleOne: no no, but it's long if none of the other ops are around either :P
[21:57] <IdleOne> ping me if you need me in there and maybe lRCC member can idle there also
[21:58] <LjL> ok thanks
[21:58] <IdleOne> btw I don't speak greek so
[21:59] <LjL> IdleOne: they're just talking about you, not to you
[21:59] <IdleOne> yeah I figured
[22:49] <rww> fujisan: hello
[22:49] <fujisan> hi
[22:49] <rww> fujisan: Anything we can help you with?
[22:50] <fujisan> i want to chat about ubuntu but it seems to not be possible any suggestions?
[22:50] <rww> fujisan: Ubuntu Forums
[22:52] <fujisan> i prefer irc
[22:52] <fujisan> is freenode the only server for ubuntu chatter?
[22:53] <rww> fujisan: All the official Ubuntu channels are on freenode, as far as I know. I don't know of other servers with Ubuntu channels.
[22:53] <rww> fujisan: If there isn't anything related to the core channels, please take note of our no-idling policy.
[22:54] <fujisan> oh ye i was wondering about the status of my complaints
[22:54] <rww> fujisan: which complaints?
[22:54] <rww> if you mean the stuff about #ubuntu-nl* earlier this week, I note that this channel still is not the place for LoCo channel issues, as I said at the time
[22:55] <fujisan> about the admin ikonia who banned me just because of my history claiming the ban was pre-existing too hard to explain i came in for it earlier but i didnt safe the log
[22:55] <fujisan> sorry
[22:55] <fujisan> save*
[22:55] <rww> ah, one sec, I'll peruse the scrollback.
[22:55] <fujisan> rww no that ubuntu-nl issue was for the irc council
[22:55] <fujisan> the ubuntu-irc council
[22:56] <rww> fujisan: you'd want to ask the IRC Council about your problems with ikonia too, from the looks of it.
[22:56] <fujisan> thanks rww :)
[22:56] <fujisan> rww perhaps
[22:56] <CarlFK> (09:02:54 AM) fujisan: ok well then i will just have to accept that ikonia gets to decide who gets to chat and not no problem, but thats not in the spirit of ubuntu
[22:56] <CarlFK> seams you have not accepted that.
[22:56] <fujisan> how can you accept injustice
[22:57] <fujisan> i could ask in philosophy perhaps
[22:57] <rww> fujisan: Lots and lots of apathy, and knowledge that there are people with oversight over the other ops. Who you should talk to.
[22:57] <fujisan> it's just a weird policy to ban someone on side who used to be on the banlist
[22:57] <fujisan> i dont see the honesty in it
[22:58] <rww> fujisan: It's an interesting situation, yes.
[22:58] <CarlFK> given what we have to work with, it works.  There is no need for more resources to be put into it.
[22:58] <fujisan> sight*
[22:58] <fujisan> CarlFK yes you are entitled to that opinion
[22:58] <fujisan> but how is that in the spirit of ubuntu?
[22:59] <CarlFK> is or isn/t, it doesn't matter.
[22:59] <fujisan> not to you but to me it does matter
[22:59] <fujisan> i dont have any friends outside of IRC
[23:00] <CarlFK> open source in general relises on people doing what they think is right.
[23:00] <fujisan> but Ubuntu isn't a philosophy?
[23:00] <CarlFK> fujisan: I suggest you take up the frinds problem in #philosophy or some such channel.. that is a problem that should not be discussed here.
[23:01] <fujisan> i know CarlFK just saying
[23:01] <fujisan> i have a social phobia
[23:01] <fujisan> ok i will leave then bu bye
[23:01] <CarlFK> bye.
[23:01] <fujisan> and thanks for your time CarlFK and rww especially :)
[23:01] <LjL> @mark fujisan
[23:01]  * rww hits /name
[23:02] <rww> UndiFineD: hi, something we can help you with?
[23:02] <UndiFineD> rww, heh, I just looked up ubuntu on quakenet
[23:02] <IdleOne> speak now or forever be +q'ed
[23:02]  * popey speaks just in case
[23:02] <LjL> blah blah blah
[23:02] <elky> rww, #ubuntu-irc-council exists for redirecting the occasional 'for the ircc' soliloquy
[23:03] <rww> UndiFineD: yeah, I think there are a couple of unofficial ones out there. I don't venture past OFTC though, so...
[23:03] <IdleOne> /mode +q popey 4EVA
[23:03] <UndiFineD> lol
[23:03] <rww> elky: I thought #ubuntu-irc-council was for entering, asking a question, and then getting /removed from while idle waiting for an answer.
[23:03] <IdleOne> hah
[23:03] <rww> sorry, that was bad
[23:03] <LjL> but probably true!
[23:03] <rww> elky: thanks, I'll bear that in mind
[23:03]  * IdleOne spits coffee all over his monitor
[23:04] <rww> UndiFineD: anyways, as I mentioned to fujisan, if you don't have a core channel issue we can help with, please /part so we can keep better track of who needs help :)
[23:04] <UndiFineD> alright
[23:04] <UndiFineD> o/
[23:04] <LjL> has his campaign been decided about?
[23:05] <LjL> or he is putting things together still
[23:05] <LjL> s/he is/is he/
[23:05] <IdleOne> rww: did you change your position about the no-idling policy in here?
[23:05] <rww> IdleOne: yes. LjL doesn't like it so it must be good.
[23:05] <elky> rww, in such a case the hint might be worthwhile, else the reflex may be interrupted. Either way, there is a channel more suited to what can probably be termed drama class.
[23:05]  * LjL slaps rww
[23:06] <rww> IdleOne: It was one of the things i pondered the last few weeks.
[23:06] <IdleOne> LjL: he has a point though
[23:06] <LjL> :\
[23:06] <rww> no I don't :(
[23:06] <rww> elky: Drama class? Do you mean the one I'm thinking of, or #ubuntu-irc-council?
[23:07] <elky> rww, i mean the "known problem maker coming in here claiming innocence and making silly assertions for the lulz' thing.
[23:08] <IdleOne> elky: btw #ubuntu-gr needs a update to the access list. IRCC has no access there and there seems to be very few if any ops around.
[23:08] <LjL> though may want to wait for simosx and talk to them
[23:08] <LjL> they're not the channel founder, but they're the team leader on launchpad
[23:08] <IdleOne> yeah that ^
[23:09] <elky> IdleOne, i recall it being said that ubuntu/member is on the access list?
[23:10] <LjL> yeah but maybe simosx himself should be +f at least, given the two people who're actually +f appear to be MIA
[23:10] <IdleOne> yes, but I thought maybe 1 or all ircc members can idle there also. they have been having issues with spam and no ops around to handle it.
[23:10] <elky> LjL, ah, so nobody to consent to the access list change?
[23:11] <IdleOne> so it appears
[23:11] <elky> Any staff watching? please do that^
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[23:11] <LjL> elky: wait actually i missed one who does have a +f (small +f not +F but i guess that will do)
[23:12] <elky> LjL, is said individual contactable?
[23:12] <LjL> i think the founder was originally Apokryphos but he left for SuSE, the alefteris but he's not been around for a long time, and then there is a Phantomas who's also away for 10 weeks
[23:12] <LjL> but this logari81 has come online now, and i didn't previously notice he has +f
[23:12] <LjL> might want to try talking to them
[23:12] <elky> LjL, have him meet me in -irc then
[23:13] <LjL> seeing if he speaks english, then will
[23:38] <elky> staff, logari81 has declined the assistance we have offered, so I retract the request.