[00:37] MattJ: you about? trying to get prosody to start, but it keeps saying that it doesn't have permission to read any of the keys in /etc/prosody/certs, even though they are chmod 777'd [00:37] Part of me is about [00:37] -_- [00:37] some is better than none :D [00:37] What about the certs directory itself? [00:38] sudo su prosody touch /etc/prosody/certs/some.cert [00:38] su isn't needed there, -u [00:40] MattJ: yea, that got it :) === zebedee_ is now known as z3b3ed33 [00:48] MattJ: lol, spectrum is spooky, must have forgotten to copy something, in it's logs it lists my entire contact list so it's obviously connecting, yet I don't sign into MSN :p [00:49] Yay :) === z3b3ed33 is now known as z3b3d33 [01:25] [Jono Bacon] Providing More Scalable Community Growth And Mentoring - http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/05/18/providing-more-scalable-community-growth-and-mentoring/ [07:36] morning all [08:05] Morning all [08:09] morning [08:14] ran across this this morning... trying to ease myself into some work this morning http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/linux-world-map.html [08:18] Morning [08:38] morning all === dogmatic69_ is now known as dogmatic69 [08:55] hello [08:55] good morning everyone. [09:04] Feels like the afternoon already. I've been up since 05:21 for some weird reason. === ChrisB_ is now known as Guest50984 [09:07] Coffee overdose? [09:11] TheOpenSourcerer: snap [09:12] o/ [09:12] actually it was 5.18 for me [09:12] anyone owned / played with a synology backup thingy [09:12] I have [09:12] it works great [09:12] * dogmatic69 got one at work this week [09:12] seems awesome [09:12] it even rsync over the interwebs [09:13] (there's a big synology wiki on there somewhere with howtos) [09:13] i love raid5 with miss mached HDD's [09:14] In Lucid and maverick, I could zoom in the whole display by holding ctrl and using the scroll wheel on the mouse. I can't seem to do so in Natty. Any suggestions where to look? Can't seem to find it in keyboard shortcuts or anywhere else. [09:14] synology's web interface is absolutely stunning, btw [09:14] DSM 3.2, I think [09:14] yeah, it rocks [09:15] i've got a 4-bay one with 4 x 2tb drives in it [09:15] MartijnVdS: trying to use rhythmbox on it is not great so far [09:15] dogmatic69: Oh I don't use it like that [09:15] dogmatic69: I rsync my music collection to it every night, as a backup [09:15] ah ok [09:16] dogmatic69: only things I do put on there directly are videos [09:16] it has done crazyness to my desktop :/ [09:16] how? [09:16] dogmatic69: I've had success using the synology box as an XMBC source [09:16] (its SMB support > NFS, because of uid madness) [09:16] siliconmeadow: it works great as an UPnP/DLNA server for my TV [09:16] you know in nautilis, left menu (drives etc)... its added every folder in the music drive +- 500 :( [09:17] dogmatic69: you must have dragged your music to the bookmarks box? [09:17] or did you mount all music folders separately? [09:17] nope [09:17] (never seen that before) [09:17] i did rhythmbox -> import folder -> music folder -> add [09:17] ah yes. [09:18] Don't do that. [09:18] That makes gvfs do crazy things. [09:18] things died, dark screen, flashing and smoke... pow [09:18] :( [09:18] ouch! [09:18] i dont want to right click remove 500 folders [09:19] dogmatic69: you don't have to -- gvfs-mount -s smb [09:19] dogmatic69: symlink it? [09:19] dogmatic69: does that work? [09:19] also it keeps loosing connection doing that [09:19] ^ my way [09:19] i was thinking a link would be better... how would i do that? [09:20] If I wanted to install a full KDE setup on an Ubuntu install - which apt pkg should I go for? (and will the KDE option automatically appear in the GDM menu?) [09:20] dogmatic69: that won't help, it'll follow the symlink (to the smb mount) and do the same thing it did before [09:20] dogmatic69: you could try mounting it using FUSE and cifsfs, so gvfs doesn't pick it up and it looks "local"ish [09:20] MartijnVdS: so what is it you said? -- gvfs ... [09:20] where do i do that? [09:20] dogmatic69: in a terminal [09:21] just -- gvfs-mount -s smb ? [09:21] dogmatic69: on the machine where you have the 500 Samba shares mounted [09:21] yes, it means "gvfs-mount --unmount-scheme smb" -> it unmounts everything in the smb:// namespace [09:21] ah [09:21] (that's used by gvfs, most GTK apps use that) [09:22] --: command not found [09:22] ... [09:22] don't type the -- :) [09:22] start with gvfs-mount [09:22] lol [09:22] just figured that part :D [09:22] wintellect: maybe sudo apt-get kde-full or kde-standard [09:23] 10.10 dont have that [09:23] siliconmeadow: cool, thanks. What about the GDM thing? [09:23] wintellect: perhaps try sudo apt-get -s install first [09:23] dogmatic69: it doesn't? what does it say? [09:23] wintellect: I think it will give you the chance to choose the desktop you want when you log in [09:23] siliconmeadow: sweet. Thanks [09:23] hmm i thought it was apt-get install kubuntu-desktop [09:24] missing the -mount thing, busy installing [09:24] oimon: will that remove Gnome or anything? [09:24] no [09:24] wintellect: oimon might be right too [09:24] oimon: ok, thanks [09:24] dogmatic69: it's in gvfs-bin [09:24] Aloha [09:24] oimon: presumably that will keep GDM and add an option for KDE as siliconmeadow said? [09:25] MartijnVdS: tx, installed that... ran it (small delay and no output) [09:25] still have million files [09:25] wintellect: yes, in fact it will ask during the apt-get whether you want gdm or kdm [09:25] s/files/folders [09:25] dogmatic69: can you post a screenshot? [09:25] oimon: perfect, thanks! [09:25] !screenshot | dogmatic [09:25] dogmatic: Screenshots can be made with the [PrtScr] button. Want to show us a screenshot of your problem? Upload an image to http://imagebin.org/?page=add and post a link to it. [09:25] wintellect: if you do an "apt-get show kde-full" you might get some ideas, and then compare it with kde-standard and kubuntu-desktop [09:25] siliconmeadow: swet! Thanks [09:26] sweet* [09:26] MartijnVdS: they were showing the link icon, and after removing one manually they turned to a normal folder icon [09:27] wintellect: I just did a comparison, and I'd do the kubuntu-desktop like oimon said [09:27] dogmatic69: Please, a screenshot :) [09:27] dogmatic69: (maybe Alt+Prtscr to do a single-window shot) [09:27] oooh... [09:27] nice [09:28] siliconmeadow: very kind of you to check. Will do - and much appreciated [09:29] MartijnVdS: screenie coming, figured out how to 'properly' add the music in the mean time, by accident :D [09:29] dogmatic69: "oops" [09:30] there is an icon in rhythmbox for auto found music shares... <3 ubuntu [09:30] yeah that's the itunes sharing bit [09:30] ye [09:31] its an itunes share thing on synology box [09:32] alt+print screen is not working btw (tried both left and right alt) [09:32] strange, did you remove the screenshot program? [09:34] not that i know of, print screen works fine for the whole screen [09:34] dogmatic69, MartijnVdS - I like shuttter, have you seen it? [09:34] idk [09:34] siliconmeadow: I don't make screenshots THAT often [09:34] I do several times a day [09:35] i do a few a week [09:36] shutter is a good app for screenshots [09:37] I do a few a year, max. [09:38] MartijnVdS: http://oi56.tinypic.com/d648z.jpg [09:38] everything below 'CI server' [09:38] dogmatic69: those are bookmarks [09:39] dogmatic69: you can edit them out of ~/.gtk-bookmarks [09:39] ah ok [09:39] yey [09:39] that was easy [09:40] thanks [09:41] got 3x google chrome processes using 20% ram :( [09:41] time for a reboot [09:42] or close chrome :) [09:42] yeah, just restart chrome :) [09:45] o.o http://oi53.tinypic.com/24vog9x.jpg [09:45] 4gigs ram in total [09:47] http://ubuntuone.com/p/u1n/ [09:47] lol [09:47] siliconmeadow: any easy ways to upload, ala pastebinit for images? [09:48] dogmatic69: CI server? Continuous Integration? [09:48] siliconmeadow: correct, one of them [09:48] jenkins [09:48] shutter uploads, publishes and then gives me the link [09:49] nice [09:49] In Maverick, it used to put it straight onto the clipboard for me, but I'm trying to figure out why it doesn't with Natty [09:50] i have to go to Nautilus and get it from the context menu>Ubuntu One [09:50] http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-13429217 - interesting [09:52] Hello people! :D [10:00] morning all [10:01] davmor2: morning matey [10:01] 1st panel of today's XKCD is a hoot [10:02] MooDoo: How's you me old mucka [10:02] * davmor2 prods czajkowski [10:03] davmor2: bored but ok [10:03] * MooDoo prods czajkowski too [10:05] * czajkowski prods both MooDoo and davmor2 [10:05] :) [10:08] http://bellard.org/jslinux/ [10:08] anyone seen that? [10:08] yeah, I've been fiddling with it this morning [10:08] Yeah, not as good as the xkcd one :p [10:08] pwd [10:08] ls [10:09] BigRedS: is it just a js -> (php/cgi) -> shellexec or something? [10:09] AIUI, it's qemu written in JS [10:09] essentially [10:09] http://bellard.org/jslinux/tech.html [10:26] It's a tiny image, and has no networking, but appears to be a working implementation of a virtual machine in javascript. [10:27] morning slackers [10:27] popey: morning ;) [10:27] It does have a helloworld.c and a tiny c compiler [10:28] that's all I've been knobbing around with [10:28] could you copy/paste code in? [10:29] morning popey [10:29] popey: not that I've found [10:29] er, I've not found a way to [10:30] yeah, it's a shame there's no network stack and I imagine serial wouldn't work either. [10:30] from discussion elsewhere, I think he's using keypress detection rather than anything that'd cope with a stream of clipboard text [10:30] still, pretty good for what it is [10:31] yeah, I think it's a fair chunk of awesome [10:46] * bigcalm waves from his new connection :) [10:47] :) [10:47] hooray, hope it speedtests nice and fast, bigcalm [10:54] morning all o/ [10:57] morning [10:57] nice reliable connection bigcalm has there :) [10:57] hi popey MooDoo. [10:58] * selinuxium is using unity and actually quite liking it... [10:58] Some quirks I could stamp on but... It is just different, not broken... [11:00] :) [11:02] System Setting under the power button??? Had to have DJones point that one out to me... [11:02] y'know, there are a lot of quirks, small bugs, that kind of thing, in unity right now. we know, would be awesome to get some community contributors getting involved though :) could make 11.10 absolutely rock [11:02] we had a few very dedicated contributors last cycle, they were awesome [11:04] and bigcalm is back! :) [11:04] This is fun [11:04] Every time I add a new mac address to get a static IP, the router reboots [11:04] * bigcalm sighs [11:04] http://twitter.com/bigcalm/statuses/70786775353802752 [11:05] yes. your life is ssoooooo hard. my router reboots whenever you change *anything* and i get 1.98mbit >:( [11:05] I was wondering if there was a tips and tricks with unity page/video somewhere that someone could recommend? [11:07] selinuxium, http://castrojo.tumblr.com/post/4795149014/the-power-users-guide-to-unity [11:07] gord you genius! : ) [11:07] BigRedS: static IP? whywhywhy? [11:07] er bigcalm [11:07] too many bigs [11:07] lol [11:07] bigcalm: why not just use hostnames to connect to boxen [11:08] big is the new alan [11:08] what!? never! [11:08] lol [11:08] * popey notes nobody is in #big [11:08] haha i forgot about your alan channel [11:08] yet there are two people (and a bot) in #thealans! [11:08] gord: Well that is at least three Alan's offended... :) [11:09] don't oppress me! [11:09] Alan's are people too! === selinuxium is now known as IamAnAlanToo [11:09] * bigcalm chuckles [11:10] popey: the revo is my dev server, I need to point vhosts at its IP [11:11] The wee plastic spanner that came with the hub was pants [11:11] * IamAnAlanToo hates static IP... [11:12] popey: also, port forwarding requires an IP address not a named device [11:12] ah yes, so true [11:12] * IamAnAlanToo also wants to bring the Clue by Two for people how put things in there local hosts file... [11:13] bigcalm, true :) [11:13] you could hardwire the IP on the boxen rather than the router :) [11:13] Sure, lots of ways to do the same thing :) [11:13] $ wc -l /etc/hosts [11:13] 545 /etc/hosts [11:13] :) [11:13] popey, :) [11:13] $work [11:14] Poop === IamAnAlanToo is now known as selinuxium [11:21] About the change the wifi channel. What's the betting that the router reboots itself again? [11:24] Oh, I am surprised [11:26] :) [11:35] Anyone got IE9 and something else on a machine they could check something for me quickly? [11:36] I can... [11:36] :) [11:36] I can [11:43] * bigcalm wishes he didn't [11:46] yay, got my ubuntu kiosk box working :) [11:47] nifty, oimon [11:48] oimon, now put it somewhere public so nerds can crowd around and try to figure out how to break it [11:48] thinking of putting it in the roof cavity [11:48] keyboard plus alt-f4 will close firefox :( [11:50] oimon: Just break the F4 key, superglue it in the up position so it can't be used [11:51] hehe ...there's no kb attached, so i could break every keyboard in the world [11:53] hmmm maybe i should run with a more basic DE than gnome then... [11:53] remap Alt-F4 to do something else.. [11:53] mind you , students aren't technically curious nowadays like we used to be :) [11:54] oimon: Come on, be honest, they're still as curious, the first question they'll ask is "Can you get Facebook on it" :) [11:55] how about if someone manages to start a softkeyboard, oimon? Just thinking of all the possibilities. [11:55] DJones: they don't care anymore, it's on their idevice [11:57] hmm may need to do a lockdown desktpo [11:57] oimon: Good reply, had to laugh last night, we were supposed to have visitors who cancelled so my wife said it was good and would give her chance to do her college assignment and then she spent the next few hours on facebook [11:59] i overheard a teenager saying it was easy in our day becasuse of no internet...however distraction from revision can take many forms...playing on my SNES or Archimedes, or even tidying my room...maybe the PSN going offline will result in higher results than usual [11:59] hehe [12:00] Somebody care to remind me how to change the default text editor for the CLI? [12:00] oimon: Or for the even older, hunting for food and trying to make fire :) [12:00] in "our day", computers were not the only thing to life [12:00] oimon: I think Chrome OS is fairly locked down, how about using that? [12:00] ;) [12:00] oimon: Archimedes++ [12:02] bigcalm: export EDITOR=vim [12:03] I didn't even realise there was a default editor [12:03] ;) [12:03] although there might be a newer and better way.. [12:05] oimon: ta [12:05] Can you find out what shell is in use? [12:06] ~/.bashrc isn't being run AFAICT [12:06] echo $SHELL [12:06] Humm [12:06] It is using bash, just seems weird [12:06] #povray [12:07] awoodland: povray ftw! [12:07] I did that annoying thing where whilst xchat is connecting you start typing something in one channel/server and then it switches focus half way through [12:08] nice password ;) [12:09] not done that for a while [12:09] (I don't think?) [12:10] I was mostly just worried that povray would be OT in here and so would annoy people [12:14] bigcalm: bash uses different dot-files depending on whether you're in screen or not, check .profile as well. I need to do some testing to find out which files are actually called at login. [12:14] awoodland: don't worry, if it turns out to be OT, there are plenty of people in here that will moan at you ;) [12:14] my .bash_profile has a line which calls .bashrc [12:15] http://pastebin.com/VPPq93hP [12:15] dwatkins: it was in .profile. Thanks :) [12:16] bigcalm: woot [12:16] Gah, the pager was set to more [12:28] I think it's .profile for login shells, and .bashrc for non-login shells (unless it's a non-login shell invoked as /bin/sh ....) [12:28] never understood why :/ [12:30] o/ [12:30] well - i broke the android market. i am sitting in a limbo state where i have and have not purchased an app [12:36] i realised something cool i could use my phone for [12:36] oimon, Speaking to people over a long distance? [12:36] oimon: door stop? [12:36] even better..perform an inventory of all my DVD and books using the barcode scanner [12:38] ideally to import into gcstar or tellico [12:42] daubers: talk to people with a phone ?!? wth [12:47] dogmatic69: Am I now "old fashioned"? [12:48] :D [12:48] * dogmatic69 buys phones according to the number of axes one the accelerometer [12:49] s/one/on [12:50] dogmatic69: wow accelerometers with axes isn't that dangerous, I mean that'll ruin your pockets everytime you drop your phone in surely [12:50] ... [12:51] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axes [12:52] dogmatic69: yes top line on the link ;) [12:54] oimon there's an app for that! - look up Inventory, works with Barcode scanner. [12:55] JGJones: great, i'll have a look..android app? [12:55] yeah [12:55] i tried shelves app which is great except some bugs with the bulk scan make it useless for me [12:56] oimon, no idea how good...I last used it just over a year ago. [13:04] JGJones: which developer please? i see a couple of apps called inventory [13:08] I can't remember to be honest...been over a year! :) Try the one by XMS Developers [13:10] thats the one i installed :) [13:13] =\ whenever some utility opens an editor for you, it should have to label it very very well. fed up of trying to wq inside of nano [13:13] :) [13:21] anyone have experience with collection managers in ubuntu? i have a list of UPC /barcodes and none of the programs seem to offer import of barcodes and subsequent search [14:17] the queen and the duke of edinburgh, dont seem to like stout. however i am sure the duke of edinburgh was tempted. [14:24] You can see him slow down saying "Bag me crate I'll swig it down off camera" [14:25] yeah, :) [14:25] http://acko.net/blog/on-termkit - what happens when osx people design a terminal [14:29] gord: i'm not sure if this is good or bad [14:29] I would very much like a syntax-highlighted cat [14:30] i disagree on the usability statements [14:30] it is very usable and unambiguous [14:30] it does look like it'll be a worst-of-both mix of gui and cli [14:30] "Additionally, Unix has a habit of giving you raw data, but not telling you useful facts, e.g. 'r-xr-xr-x' instead of "You can't touch this"" [14:30] i know which is more useful [14:31] unix assumes the user knows what they're doing. That's long been a downside to new people and an advantage to people who know what they're doing [14:31] at some point you need to know what you're doing though [14:33] if that's how osx people design a terminal, how long until we see a barely functional clone in ubuntu ;) [14:34] oimon: yeah. And you find out what you're doing by trying [14:34] and, once you do, it's quicker to do it the know-what-you're-doing way [14:34] hence that being default for forty or so years... [14:38] gord: i've been asking for a shell like that for years [14:39] this guy stole my idea [14:39] almost exactly [14:39] mozilla made something that is basically the same 10 years ago [14:39] really mozilla made a shell where "cat foo.png" displays the image instead of corrupting your shell? [14:40] you want to use eog foo.png [14:40] no i don't [14:40] i want *any* program that writes raw binary image data to stdout to result in the image being displayed [14:40] as described in the article [14:41] so how would you view binary data in files? [14:41] the same way nautilus does [14:42] here it is: http://www.xml.com/pub/a/2000/06/07/xmlterm/index.html [14:42] if i double click on a file in nautilus it chooses the correct program [14:42] if I actually want to see binary in a stream, it gets piped into hexdump [14:42] if i cat the same file in shell, it should determine the correct file type, and embed it inline in the shell window [14:42] yes, exactly [14:43] hexdump if i want to see the binary [14:43] i think what you actually want, is better keyboard controls for nautilus [14:43] catting a bin direct to the display just messes up the terminal [14:43] I've never actually wanted to dump the entire contents of a binary file to the terminal. it just makes the term beep a lot, then sit and wait for me to reset it [14:43] no, i don't want keyboard controlled nautilus [14:43] that's the dumbest thing i've ever heard of [14:43] i want a shell with pipes that understands filetypes other than ascii [14:43] and utf-7 [14:44] it seems like an interesting idea, but I'd be very concerned about how much of what I'm used to would break in the process [14:44] cat foo.png > ohgodthiswontwork [14:46] xmlterm seems to do the same thing but requires that all shell programs be made xml aware [14:46] i don't understand why that is necessary [14:46] if nautilus can determine filetype without xml junk then so can the shell [14:46] it was 2000. everything had to be xml aware. even your fridge. [14:46] oh yeah i guess [14:47] just like this one's all html5. [14:48] so is this termkit thing a real program i can download? [14:50] damn it's os x only [14:51] someone port it pleeeeeeease [14:51] hey wait i have a mac right here [14:52] going to try it [14:52] Does there exist a really easy git/svn mirror/gateway thing? I don't branch or anything, but I'd like all my git commmits/pushes to be svn commited to a separate repo [14:53] automagically [14:59] greetings [14:59] afternoonings livingdaylight :) [14:59] i'm still looking for a laptop! [15:00] heh [15:01] Sony Vaio EA3S1 are looking good or Samsung P530.... so many of them the chassis gets so hot! a cool chassis is one of my top criteria, and those two seems possible candidates. Surprised how lenovos let me down on that score [15:01] :( Sony [15:01] My lenovo's not that hot [15:01] I don't know how cool is cool, though [15:02] they definitely range from cool to fry your egg on here [15:02] popey, :( ? [15:02] * BigRedS discovers ctrl+alt+numpad in unity [15:03] livingdaylight: ooh, different models as different temps, or same ones all over the place? [15:03] not easy finding a laptop that has at least i3 processor, hdmi out, and is cool and quiet [15:03] BigRedS: i like middle click on the title bar which is new to me [15:03] also CTRL+ALT+S [15:03] yeah, I saw that on the lists earlier [15:04] c-a-s doesn't do anything for me,though. is that a 3d only thing? [15:04] I'm a bit miffed that a rotated screen apparently costs me my 3d [15:04] BigRedS, certain make and models seem to be hot in general whilst others focus on keeping their system as cool as possible. HP's I found to be little ovens on the whole; after I nearly got the g62 i3 for £349 [15:05] read interview with RSM in LInux Format where he mentioned what laptop he uses, but forgot name already; slightly more obscure one [15:06] popey, what is the politics of sony vis a vis linux that you frown upon, or is there another reason you object to their machines? [15:07] their E series in 14" are sweet if not on the pricey side; but that aside one of the better ones out there i thought. [15:08] hmm i just noticed that os x has windicators [15:08] livingdaylight: Sony treat their customers like dirt, that's why people have objections to their systems. Not because of the systems themselves but because of the ethics which Sony adopt (or lack of) [15:10] kvarley, ok, didn't know that. In fact what one guy told sounded quite the contrary saying that their pick up and return on machines was exemplary [15:10] unless you installed linux [15:10] then they won't honour the warranty [15:11] are they the only ones to adopt that attitude? [15:11] livingdaylight: I have no personal experience of Sony hardware as a computer. I just no they have a terrible record with their games consoles. I was foolish enough to buy one of them, never again. [15:11] hrmm [15:12] i bought an msi cr620 and was bitterly disappointed. The noise it makes was intrusive and distracting; hence decided I rather pay a little more for something I gonna enjoy using [15:12]