[00:02] <nhaines> jono: ooh, ooh, what's engineering management?
[00:04] <jono> nhaines, eh?
[00:04] <rww> I suspect nhaines is looking at Canonical's jobs page ;P
[00:04] <nhaines> jono: I just got a LinkedIn email saying you'd updated your profile.
[00:04] <rww> oh. well never mind then ;P
[00:05] <jono> nhaines, oh yeah
[00:53] <DarkwingDuck> jono: Do you know where the design team holds the paw logo for Oneiric?
[00:54] <jono> DarkwingDuck, no idea
[00:54] <nhaines> DarkwingDuck: probably in an Adobe Illustrator file.
[00:54]  * DarkwingDuck grumbles
[00:55]  * pleia2 chuckles
[00:55] <nhaines> I'd settle for updated business card artwork.  :(
[00:55] <DarkwingDuck> pleia2: Hey, I know... can you take a picture of the logo on your shirt?
[00:55] <DarkwingDuck> I'll just build an SVG from that.
[00:56] <DarkwingDuck> nhaines: how many CDs do you think you guys'll need up in LA?
[00:56] <pleia2> it's in the dryer
[00:56] <jamalta> DarkwingDuck: would this work? http://www.flickr.com/photos/trevi55/5705047100/
[00:56] <pleia2> there you go :)
[00:56] <DarkwingDuck> YES!
[00:56] <DarkwingDuck> jamalta: thank you!
[00:56] <jamalta> DarkwingDuck: np :)
[00:56] <pleia2> DarkwingDuck: I'm shipping some directly to nhaines
[00:56] <nhaines> DarkwingDuck: I don't know.  My request was only for UHLF, OCLUG, and an independant classroom who asked UHLF.
[00:56] <pleia2> DarkwingDuck: I figure I send you the SD ones :)
[00:57] <nhaines> pleia2: I realized about 10 minutes after I sent the email that I didn't send any shipping info, so let me know if you need it  :)
[00:57] <pleia2> nhaines: I replied asking if you had the same addy as last time :)
[00:57] <pleia2> if yes, then no!
[00:57] <DarkwingDuck> ahhhhh, Got ya
[00:57] <nhaines> pleia2: Ooh, I never saw it.... updating my phone on a Friday was fun but not smart... it wiped the phone's memory.
[00:58] <nhaines> pleia2: Yup, same addy and everything.  :)
[00:58] <pleia2> ok cool
[00:58] <nhaines> Not only did it wipe the phone but it broke Netflix support so :(
[00:58] <pleia2> doh :(
[00:59] <nhaines> At least I had the forethought to back up my data and apps first.  :)  But still.  Lost my gas mileage data.
[03:05] <pleia2> ok, so far CDs being sent out to San Diego (and surrounding), lake forest, sacramento and mt view
[03:07] <nhaines> \o/
[03:07] <DarkwingDuck> Whoot!
[03:08] <nhaines> pleia2: were there enough CDs to send an extra set for OCLUG and for the training classroom?
[03:08] <DarkwingDuck> Ohhh, Also, I'm starting plans for a SCaLE booth
[03:09] <pleia2> nhaines: yep, sending your final totals
[03:09] <nhaines> pleia2: ooh, thanks!  I can let them know this week.  :)
[03:09] <pleia2> no 10.04s though, I think during that release the CA ones were sent to Flannel and grantbow got ones for up here from YokoZar
[03:09] <pleia2> I don't have any of them
[03:10] <nhaines> Ah, yes, I did find that email after all (not used to Evolution's threaded views).  There may not be any more left, but if that's the case I'll lightscribe some up pretty.
[03:19] <Eureka> wiki: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/NattyRelease edited
[04:12] <erichammond> pleia2: I can act as  a distributor for CDs in the Los Angeles area if folks need them here.  I live and work on the East and West sides of the city.
[04:13] <pleia2> erichammond: ok, can you touch base with DarkwingDuck? I am sending a big package his way and he said he'd bring some up to the LA area (he's in San Diego)
[04:13] <pleia2> if he can't make it up I'll send some more down
[04:19] <erichammond> pleia2: will do.  (I also work with friends who drive North to the valley, South to the beach cities, and inwards to the Hollywood area)
[04:19] <seidos> erichammond: you're in l.a.?  hey, me too
[04:20] <erichammond> hmmm... What else could I distribute ;-)
[04:20] <erichammond> seidos: I live in Arcadia and work in Santa Monica.
[04:20] <seidos> erichammond: i thought you were in the Bay Area.  i thought i met an eric out there
[04:21] <seidos> i'm not familiar with the Arcadia area, Santa Monica yes
[04:21] <erichammond> speaking of which, it's time for my commute back home.  Arcadia is just East of Pasadena.
[04:21] <seidos> i live near Culver City
[04:21] <pleia2> seidos: the eric you met up here is probably eps
[04:21] <seidos> have a save trip
[04:21] <seidos> *safe
[04:23] <seidos> pleia2: ah
[04:23] <seidos> i should've known there is more than 1 eric, there is more than one kevin
[04:38] <rww> only one of me so far i think
[04:39] <rww> (my brain just went "any other p... prin... wait no. umm. oh there we go"
[04:39] <pleia2> it's always cause for celebration when there is another elizabeth :)
[04:42] <pleia2> (for me anyway)
[04:46] <DarkwingDuck> More tehen 1 David too
[04:46] <Eureka> wiki: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/TeamReports/11/April edited
[05:03] <Eureka> wiki: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/NattyRelease edited | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/TeamReports/Current edited | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/TeamReports/11/April edited
[05:44] <YokoZar> pleia2: for what it's worth I got CDs shipped directly from one of the women who organize UDS at Canonical (the one who wasn't there this time actually)
[06:43] <DarkwingDuck> Anyone still up?
[06:44] <DarkwingDuck> Does this http://imm.io/5JcU look like this banner? http://www.flickr.com/photos/trevi55/5705047100/sizes/l/in/photostream/
[07:02] <jmarsden> DarkwingDuck: The first one lacks the copyright symbol after the word ubuntu, and the text below the graphic, but otherwise, yes.  Why are we playing "spot the difference", by the way?
[07:03] <DarkwingDuck> Because I build the graphic from scratch based off the photo.
[07:03] <DarkwingDuck> I wanted to see how it matched
[07:12] <jono> DarkwingDuck, ping?
[07:13] <DarkwingDuck> jono: Pong
[17:33] <MarkDude> Has anyone else decided to go to Maker Faire this Saturday?
[17:34] <crashsystems> where is that MarkDude ?
[17:34] <MarkDude> San Mateo
[17:34] <MarkDude> in the land of enchantment
[17:34] <MarkDude> :D
[17:34] <crashsystems> where is that in relation to sunnyvale?
[17:35] <akk> northwest
[17:35] <MarkDude> Sunnyvale is much better
[17:35] <MarkDude> lol
[17:35] <akk> I thought the land of enchantment was New Mexico.
[17:35] <MarkDude> It will be enchanting- there will be self powered cupcakes there
[17:36] <crashsystems> I don't know how long it takes to get just about anywhere around here, except SF.
[17:37] <akk> Figure maybe half an hour, 40 min from Sunnyvale to San Mateo (I'm not sure exactly where Maker Faire is, need to look that up).
[17:41] <crashsystems> via public transit?
[17:42] <akk> no, via car
[17:43] <akk> Transit times obviously depend on exactly where on each end ... Caltrain from Sunnyvale to San Mateo is probably 20 min or so, but you could check caltrain.org to know for sure.
[17:49] <MarkDude> http://makezine.com/makerfaire/bayarea/2011/alternative.csp
[17:49] <MarkDude> Caltrain is actually easier than BART here
[17:49] <MarkDude> For TedxHayward- BART is better
[17:51] <akk> Hmm, is parking expensive for those who drive? Any idea?
[17:52] <akk> Oh, they have a page for it -- some free parking, woo. http://makerfaire.com/bayarea/2011/car.csp
[17:55] <MarkDude> No too far away it says
[17:55] <iheartubuntu> are there any easy linux solutions for hooking up something to a TV to view websites?
[17:56] <iheartubuntu> my wife mostly watches russian TV shows and russian movies from russian websites and click the full screen button. something easier than hooking up a computer to the TV
[17:56] <iheartubuntu> i wonder if boxee can handle websites
[18:10] <seidos> isn't it like medibuntu or something?  i think the problem is more hardware though, need to have compatible output from computer to t.v./monitor
[18:23] <iheartubuntu> dang, boxee doesnt have 32 bit anymore
[18:25] <iheartubuntu> i tired installing the 64 bit deb my forcing the install. it installed, but wont run
[18:42] <nhaines> iheartubuntu: you want to view a computer using a TV without hooking up a computer to a TV?
[18:43] <iheartubuntu> pretty much :)
[18:43] <iheartubuntu> something like boxee probably
[18:43] <iheartubuntu> or XBMC
[18:43] <sn9> boxee is a computer
[18:43] <sn9> so is xbmc
[18:43] <nhaines> Yeah, those are both computers.
[18:43] <sn9> so based on your specs, they don't qualify
[18:44] <iheartubuntu> something simpler like a dvd player or playstation
[18:44] <iheartubuntu> but can handle browsing the web
[18:44] <sn9> a ps3 is a  computer, too
[18:44] <nhaines> My Blu-ray player is running Linux.
[18:44] <iheartubuntu> i realize at some point its a computer... im not trying to hook up an orange to the tv
[18:45] <nhaines> Actually, so do the WD TV Live series of media players we make.  :)
[18:45] <sn9> would an orange suit your purpose?
[18:45] <iheartubuntu> i cannot get a computer hooked to the TV without fighting it
[18:46] <nhaines> Why not?  What are your TV's inputs?
[18:46] <iheartubuntu> although ive never tried HDMI connection if thats possible
[18:46] <iheartubuntu> VGA out from a netbook
[18:47] <iheartubuntu> when connected to any TV the screen jumps around to different sizes. its not very user friendly.
[18:47] <iheartubuntu> both in ubuntu and xp
[18:47] <nhaines> If your TV doesn't have anything but VGA-in, it sounds like more like a monitor.
[18:48] <iheartubuntu> i was unable to hook up a projector to the netbook either
[18:48] <iheartubuntu> akk was helping me way back on that
[18:48] <iheartubuntu> its either the operator or the netbook
[18:48] <iheartubuntu> :D
[18:49] <iheartubuntu> ive tried these things on multiple TVs too
[18:49] <sn9> what netbook is it?
[18:49] <nhaines> Are we focusing on the netbook now or the TV?
[18:49] <iheartubuntu> acer inspire
[18:49] <iheartubuntu> and i have an acer laptop that wont hook up to TV or projector either
[18:50] <sn9> the celeron one or the atom?
[18:50] <iheartubuntu> wonder if its an acer prob
[18:50] <iheartubuntu> atom netbook
[18:50] <sn9> so it has intel video? are you using the intel proprietary binary video driver?
[18:51] <sn9> last i checked, atom required that
[18:52] <iheartubuntu> this i do not know
[18:53] <sn9> unless you installed it manually, likely not
[18:53] <iheartubuntu> i'll check it tonight thanks sn9
[18:53] <iheartubuntu> no i didnt install it
[18:53] <iheartubuntu> im not even sure what version ubuntu is on it
[18:54] <iheartubuntu> like a 10.x version
[18:54] <sn9> i'm assuming vga is its only video output
[18:55] <sn9> btw, i know i'm late to the convo, but what exactly is your use case?
[18:55] <nhaines> sn9: media playback and web browsing on a TV>
[18:57] <sn9> that is a potential solution, not the use case itself. what is the media playback and browsing needed for?
[18:58] <nhaines> sn9: that's not a solution, it's the use case.  His wife wants to view Russian video and browse Russian web sites using a TV as a display.
[18:59] <sn9> i don't think that calls for a netbook
[18:59] <nhaines> Me either, but that's what he's using right now apparently.
[19:00] <sn9> a netbook would be undesirable for this in a multitude of ways
[19:00] <nhaines> That might be why he's asking for alternate solutions.
[19:00] <sn9> HTPC ftw
[19:01] <sn9> mythbuntu
[19:01] <sn9> does she subscribe to RTN?
[19:01] <nhaines> sn9: I was going to suggest mythbuntu, but he won't elaborate on the TV or other details, so...  it's hard to recommend anythinh.
[19:02] <sn9> or NTVi?
[19:02] <nhaines> Plus, he said he didn't want to use a computer, so that rules out Boxee, XBMC, Mythbuntu, and so on.
[19:02] <sn9> or Dish Network?
[19:03] <sn9> a netbook is a computer, so not wanting to use one is already moot
[19:03] <nhaines> sn9: he wants to replace the netbook.  His current setup isn't working or presumably he wouldn't be asking.
[19:06] <sn9> HTPC is more suitable than a netbook
[19:07] <iheartubuntu> no, we have no cable tv. just a HD digital antenna I built :) we get an italian channel which she loves since she speaks italian
[19:07] <nhaines> sn9: I agree but he doesn't want one.
[19:07] <iheartubuntu> sorry. was working on a letter to my city council :) hope to get an idea of a local currency going here
[19:08] <iheartubuntu> what is an HTPC
[19:08] <sn9> comcast makes both RTN and ORT-C1R available
[19:08] <iheartubuntu> something like a boxee?
[19:08] <nhaines> It's a home theater PC.
[19:09] <sn9> are you on comcast?
[19:09] <iheartubuntu> i dont mind boxee or the like if i dont have problems with a hookup
[19:09] <DarkwingDuck> iheartubuntu: You do graphics for the countdown/banners and such?
[19:09] <sn9> oh wait, i misread "no cable" as "cable"
[19:09] <nhaines> iheartubuntu: you said your TV only has VGA input and no other options.
[19:10] <sn9> there's an italian channel over the air??
[19:10] <iheartubuntu> nhaines, yah vga
[19:10] <iheartubuntu> yep! here in LA anyhow
[19:10] <sn9> no, he said it also has hdmi
[19:10] <iheartubuntu> can boxee, mythtv, xbmc do web browsing though?
[19:10] <sn9> yes
[19:10] <iheartubuntu> i dont have hdmi
[19:10] <nhaines> sn9: no, he said he'd use HDMI if it were an option.
[19:10] <iheartubuntu> darkwingduck yes
[19:10] <sn9> it is an option if the tv has it
[19:11] <DarkwingDuck> iheartubuntu: http://people.ubuntu.com/~david.wonderly/Graphics/Oneiric/Ubuntu-Oneiric-Ocelot-Banner.png
[19:11] <nhaines> sn9: he's said twice now the TV doesn't do anything but VGA.
[19:11] <DarkwingDuck> iheartubuntu: and here is the SVG if you want to use it. http://people.ubuntu.com/~david.wonderly/Graphics/Oneiric/Ubuntu-Oneiric-Ocelot-Banner.svg
[19:11] <sn9> must be a small tv
[19:12] <nhaines> More projects should use SVG.
[19:12] <pleia2> nhaines: +1
[19:12] <iheartubuntu> sn9 - i think the italian channel in los angeles is 31.10 on digital HD
[19:12] <iheartubuntu> i'll double check if interested
[19:12] <nhaines> pleia2: if you haven't shipped those CDs yet I think I want to change my shipping address.  :P
[19:12] <DarkwingDuck> I do 99% of my stuff in inkscape now so all my projects will be SVG
[19:13] <pleia2> nhaines: you're in luck! the boxes are still sitting next to me, running out at lunchtime
[19:13] <nhaines> \o/
[19:14] <iheartubuntu> there is a new inkscape book out. i just posted an article about it
[19:14] <iheartubuntu> darkwingduck - do you need me to do anything with the SVG?
[19:15] <DarkwingDuck> No, I just wanted to give it to you in case you wanted to use the paws. AFAIK I'm the only one other then canonical that has them.... I built them last night.
[19:18] <nhaines> I know Unity gave a lot of Ubuntu users pause.
[19:19] <DarkwingDuck> hehehe
[19:19] <MarkDude> Unity was not unifying?
[19:20] <iheartubuntu> my dad just upgraded yesterday... "what the h*ll are these icons? wheres my bottom bar?"
[19:20] <DarkwingDuck> hehehe
[19:20] <sn9> iheartubuntu: so other than the italian channel, most of the video is streamed over the 'net?
[19:20] <iheartubuntu> pretty much yes.
[19:20] <iheartubuntu> there are tons of russian tv channels on the net, and russian sites with movies, cartoons, and specials
[19:21] <iheartubuntu> its huge in russian to have movies made with the countries top stars each new years. she can only find them online and i dont have time to download them and burn them to a DVD
[19:22] <sn9> so they are mostly downloads, no?
[19:22] <iheartubuntu> kinda like different fairy tales each year
[19:22] <iheartubuntu> they are streaming videos
[19:22] <sn9> please tell me the streaming does not require SilverLight
[19:22] <iheartubuntu> i used to download them from the tmp folder, use devede to burn them to a disc for her to watch
[19:22] <iheartubuntu> i just dont have time anymore
[19:22] <iheartubuntu> no
[19:23] <sn9> i saw several russian movie sites that use it
[19:23] <iheartubuntu> mostly flash and i think some of the sites are moving to html5
[19:23] <iheartubuntu> gavareet paruski?
[19:24] <iheartubuntu> darkwingduck, thanks :) i should make a 11.10 countdown now
[19:24] <DarkwingDuck> :D
[19:25] <DarkwingDuck> lemme know when you do. I'll toss it up.
[19:25] <DarkwingDuck> I'll even build a Kubuntu and Xubuntu banners for ya.
[19:26] <nhaines> Only 148 more days until Ubuntu 11.10.
[19:26] <iheartubuntu> im gonna be changing up my site dramatically soon. i think it will work out better long term
[19:26] <DarkwingDuck> I found a german site that had a couple. So I'm sporting that on my blog.
[19:27] <iheartubuntu> pleia2 had some good input about the big graphic headlines. takes up a lot of space and i dont have time to change the graphic often
[19:27] <DarkwingDuck> iheartubuntu: have you seen my redone blog?
[19:27] <sn9> я пока-что не видел что бы фильмы показывали используя html5
[19:28] <MarkDude> Hey thats not an alphabet I caan read
[19:28] <sn9> i think iheartubuntu's wife can
[19:29] <nhaines> That reminds me.  Unicode broke on my server again and I need to fix it.
[19:30] <iheartubuntu> darkwing... ive been reading your blog posts in google reader
[19:30] <iheartubuntu> ohh yes ive seen this
[19:30] <iheartubuntu> http://www.wonderly.com/
[19:31] <iheartubuntu> i like it
[19:31] <iheartubuntu> its clean
[19:31] <DarkwingDuck> Thanks.
[19:31] <DarkwingDuck> I need to write one today.
[19:32] <nhaines> No more Ubuntu Bytes updates either.
[19:33] <iheartubuntu> no
[19:33] <iheartubuntu> the program i was using was really buggy
[19:33] <iheartubuntu> TBO it was called
[19:33] <iheartubuntu> it crashed on me every time i created text or adjusted the shape of a characters head
[19:33] <nhaines> Inkscape?
[19:34] <iheartubuntu> i do want to continue it but hand draw it all and clean it up in inkscape
[19:34] <iheartubuntu> this weekend was all about installing new windows on my house. man what a difference
[19:35] <iheartubuntu> now i can work on the website without freezing over or getting too hot inside :)
[19:36] <iheartubuntu> i'd really like to get more into inkscape. i love it so far.
[19:36] <iheartubuntu> Krita looks like another promising program i could get into
[19:37] <DarkwingDuck> I only use Gimp for photos. Everything else is Inkscape
[19:37] <seidos> iheartubuntu: you installed windows?  epic.
[19:37] <iheartubuntu> not Windows
[19:37] <iheartubuntu> windows
[19:37] <iheartubuntu> :D
[19:37] <seidos> that's what i said
[19:37] <seidos> where did you get them?  home depot?
[19:37] <iheartubuntu> yes
[19:37] <seidos> did they do the measuring for you?
[19:37] <iheartubuntu> no, friend has a window company
[19:38] <seidos> ah
[19:38] <iheartubuntu> yah he came and measured everything
[19:38] <iheartubuntu> i did a square craftsman style grid along the top quarter of the windows
[19:39] <seidos> that's the hardest part, i think.  making sure you get the right size
[19:39] <iheartubuntu> looks nice
[19:39] <iheartubuntu> i reduced the size of two windows in my living room to make room for a fireplace and built in bookshelves
[19:40] <iheartubuntu> i did hand crank windows to keep the style and feel of the house
[19:41] <sn9> iheartubuntu: bottom line: HTPC _is_ your solution, and trying to get around that fact serves no purpose
[19:42] <iheartubuntu> sn9 and i cand do that myself basically with mythtv, boxee or the like?
[19:42] <iheartubuntu> maybe i  should get away from the vga output
[19:44] <iheartubuntu> i dont remember so many problems hooking up a laptop to a tv... i did it way back in 8 or 9 years ago when i was in russia and teaching my wife english with american dvds
[19:45] <iheartubuntu> she learned english from "sex and the city". now its all about shoes, purses, etc... looking back i should have brought beverly hillbillies episodes instead
[19:45] <DarkwingDuck> lol
[19:45] <sn9> i learned english from sesame street
[19:45] <DarkwingDuck> Or star trek
[19:45] <sn9> still took years to pick it up after russian
[19:46] <sn9> is it a small and/or old tv?
[19:46] <iheartubuntu> what is your native language?
[19:46] <iheartubuntu> like a 30" flatscreen
[19:49] <seidos> tv's are a pain, they are usually composite video, only until recently did t.v.'s get vga/dvi/hdmi connectors
[19:50] <seidos> in fact, it probably makes sense to call new t.v.'s monitors, anyway
[19:51] <seidos> "monitors"
[19:52] <sn9> my native language is russian
[19:52] <sn9> some say i still have the accent and some say i don't
[19:53] <iheartubuntu> i would have never guessed sn9. im usually good at picking up accents
[19:53] <sn9> is that 30" at 16:9, or 4:3?
[19:54] <iheartubuntu> we have friends who will not leave the russian districts of LA and their accents remain heavy. the friends who have moved away and spend more time speaking with native english speakers have the least accents ive noticed
[19:55] <iheartubuntu> my wifes english is pretty good. she majored in linguistics, which no one has heard of here in the states
[19:55] <sn9> i know people who still have the accent despite speaking only english and having forgotten how to speak russian at all
[19:56] <sn9> my dad had a ph.d equivalent in linguistics
[19:56] <iheartubuntu> wow... my dad lost his polish after he came to the states
[19:57] <iheartubuntu> if i spend any more time with linux i will lose my only spoken language of english :)
[19:57] <sn9> i though you could understand polish
[19:57] <DarkwingDuck> hehehe
[19:58] <iheartubuntu> i can understand some polish and some russian, but not speak well. tolka nimnoga
[19:58] <iheartubuntu> i can get around moscow fine
[19:59] <DarkwingDuck> I took russian in highschool
[19:59] <DarkwingDuck> :D
[19:59] <DarkwingDuck> That was like 11 years ago though.
[19:59] <sn9> i took cantonese and latin
[19:59] <DarkwingDuck> latin? I wish I had learned latin
[20:00] <iheartubuntu> they had russian in HS???
[20:00] <iheartubuntu> the only languages here in los angeles are spanish or french where i am
[20:00] <sn9> no, they had cantonese and latin
[20:00] <seidos> noam chomsky http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ghoXQxdk6s&feature=related
[20:00] <iheartubuntu> i took german, but had no one to speak it with
[20:00] <seidos> i've heard of linguistics :)
[20:01] <sn9> i took a russian class when i enrolled at Sacramento City College, though, before i transfered to City College of San Francisco
[20:01] <seidos> i wish i learned spanish
[20:02] <seidos> i practice it from time to time on my own...
[20:03] <seidos> i'm going to take some biology and perhaps anatomy at west la college, assuming i can get a fee waiver
[20:03] <sn9> my issue with spanish is that everyone speaks a mile a minute, otherwise i would have picked it up as a child
[20:03] <iheartubuntu> how did pleia2 like budapest? did you fall in love with the city?
[20:04] <iheartubuntu> russians speak russian a mile a minute :)
[20:04] <iheartubuntu> im still watching nupogodi and have problems
[20:05] <pleia2> iheartubuntu: it was lovely :)
[20:05] <sn9> my copies of nu pogodi are silent 8mm
[20:05] <seidos> same here, sn9 .  maybe we should try practicing someday
[20:05] <sn9> original soviet retail releases, some of them
[20:06] <iheartubuntu> wow
[20:06] <iheartubuntu> have u been back home ever?
[20:06] <sn9> i've introduced some splices over the years, though
[20:06] <sn9> 8mm tends to get tangled and stepped on, ya know
[20:06] <sn9> "back home" to me is san francisco
[20:07] <iheartubuntu> i havent been to moscow for a few years now. im sure its much different than when i last left. massive building has been going on there the past decade
[20:07] <philipballew> i just got back home. but that is sac area. SF is a intreting place to have a home. i hear the cities are growing in russia?
[20:08] <seidos> wb philipballew
[20:08] <sn9> the only time i was in moscow was a two-week stay while awaiting the soviet exit visas
[20:08] <seidos> brrr cold
[20:08] <iheartubuntu> XBMC wont install in Natty :(
[20:09] <seidos> i wonder what the trick is to surviving out there.  i assume energy isn't that easy to come by, like everywhere else
[20:09] <philipballew> cold is all relitive. people in so cal when i am there freak out over 50 dagrees when im here i go on a bike ride when its 50 because its a nice day
[20:09] <iheartubuntu> moscow was growing fast
[20:09] <seidos> i used to swim in the ocean here sans wet suit
[20:10] <sn9> iheartubuntu: try mythbuntu
[20:10] <seidos> can't do it for very long.  i used to also snowboard.  coldest i've been in is -18F
[20:10] <iheartubuntu> a friend of ours bought an apartment in moscow region at one of the ends of the moscow metro lines for $50k and now its worth like $350k. takes over an hour to get to the center of moscow
[20:10] <seidos> yeah, with population growth it makes sense that property values would go up
[20:11] <seidos> hey MarkDude
[20:11] <iheartubuntu> markdude has won
[20:11] <MarkDude> Hey there seidos
[20:11] <MarkDude> What did I win?
[20:11] <iheartubuntu> -30*C for me
[20:11] <seidos> hey where
[20:11] <iheartubuntu> you won it all!
[20:11] <sn9> apparently, gasoline is WAY cheaper in russia than in california
[20:11] <seidos> and is cold all relative?
[20:11] <seidos> can i go to pluto now if i'm tough enough?
[20:11] <seidos> :P
[20:12] <iheartubuntu> only with vodka or champagne
[20:12] <philipballew> apperently it snowed at my house last week and i missed it... :(
[20:12] <seidos> i have to walk 10 miles today, i am procrastinating
[20:12] <philipballew> that was about 30
[20:12] <iheartubuntu> 10 miles??
[20:12] <philipballew> ride a bike! its faster
[20:12] <iheartubuntu> seidos, you might try skipping those 10 miles. you will get there much faster
[20:13] <iheartubuntu> the faster you skip the lighter you will feel too
[20:13] <seidos> iheartubuntu: skipping indeed
[20:13] <iheartubuntu> almost like you are flying to your destination
[20:13] <seidos> philipballew: i don't have a bike and i can't build one
[20:13] <seidos> i'll just skip it *stays seated*
[20:14] <seidos> i don't think skipping is a good idea, i don't need to look anymore wimpy than i already do
[20:14] <philipballew> i see. creigslist rideshare!
[20:14] <iheartubuntu> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skip_(gait)#Skip
[20:14] <seidos> never heard of it
[20:15] <seidos> what's greener, walking 10 miles, or taking the bus?
[20:15] <seidos> i know which is cheaper
[20:15] <iheartubuntu> skipping is not wimpy at all!
[20:15] <iheartubuntu> skipping is greener!
[20:15] <philipballew> its a sport in some parts of the world
[20:15] <iheartubuntu> who wants to see seidos skip 10 miles, please raise their hands
[20:15]  * iheartubuntu raises hand
[20:15] <philipballew> Hi, i am a professional athlete and i can skip!!!
[20:15] <seidos> this isn't a democracy, it's a dictatorship
[20:15] <iheartubuntu> do we have a second motion?
[20:16] <seidos> professional athletes get paid
[20:16] <philipballew> i second the motion!
[20:16] <iheartubuntu> what if you becvome a professional skipper
[20:16] <seidos> that would be totally awesome
[20:16] <philipballew> you could pay people to watch you
[20:16] <seidos> i could pay people to not watch me
[20:17] <iheartubuntu> the government can watch you
[20:17] <seidos> "i'll give you 5 cents if you'll just turn the other way"
[20:17] <seidos> Echelon?  here?  oh no, please don't get up *BOOM*
[20:18] <philipballew> the gov probably already is!
[20:18] <seidos> we are the government o_o
[20:18] <philipballew> in a sense
[20:18] <seidos> i haven't voted in years
[20:18] <seidos> in a sense
[20:18] <iheartubuntu> you create a sort of kinetic movement with skipping that makes motion much easier.
[20:19] <iheartubuntu> my wife and i skip everywhere
[20:19] <seidos> actually i was walking around with my arms, like cross country skiing
[20:19] <seidos> but that was back in SF
[20:19] <iheartubuntu> whenever we go to the oktoberfest we skip all around the place. skipping is easy after large quantities of beer too
[20:19] <seidos> i wouldn't do looney stuff like that around here
[20:19] <seidos> some snob with a poodle might laugh, and then not pay me for my trouble
[20:20] <seidos> it only seems easy after large quantities of beer
[20:20] <MarkDude> p/me was skipping the other day
[20:20] <MarkDude> it was fun
[20:21] <iheartubuntu> skipping : to leap over lightly and nimbly
[20:21] <seidos> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2EPg4muXrzI
[20:21] <iheartubuntu> see what i mean? you feel light and get places much faster
[20:21] <seidos> oh, i've skipped
[20:21] <seidos> it's not like i've ever skipped before
[20:21] <seidos> dualistic serious xor funny
[20:22] <iheartubuntu> if you have to go to the bathroom you can even skip to the lue
[20:22] <seidos> maybe i'll just walk on my toes
[20:22] <seidos> or electric slide
[20:22] <MarkDude> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BblV6AQsd2s
[20:22] <seidos> i should probably limp
[20:22]  * MarkDude just spent some time swinging also
[20:23] <seidos> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBMT3OMEPwk
[20:23] <seidos> i <3 rise against
[20:23] <MarkDude> Yep- they are cool
[20:23] <seidos> nah, i take it back
[20:23] <seidos> i don't even know them
[20:24] <seidos> *closes youtube*
[20:24] <MarkDude> lol
[20:25] <seidos> ah, to be entertained by a friend
[20:25] <seidos> or to entertain a friend
[20:25] <seidos> instead of listening to the musings of strangers
[20:26]  * seidos opens youtube again and goes to his own channel
[20:26] <iheartubuntu> seidos is going to skip part of those 10 miles today :) muuuhahahaaa
[20:28] <seidos> i might
[20:29] <iheartubuntu> YESSS!!!!
[20:29] <philipballew> i hope so
[20:29] <iheartubuntu> bring a stopwatch
[20:29] <iheartubuntu> time yourself walking and time yourself skipping
[20:29] <iheartubuntu> you could make a skipping app for ubuntu
[20:30] <iheartubuntu> feel how light you become
[20:30] <seidos> i think walking is probably more efficient, i'm not in a hurry to get there
[20:31] <iheartubuntu> and feel the energy fill your soul and mind, creating a positive vibration that will resonate with others around you.
[20:31] <iheartubuntu> skipping is contagious, so be careful
[20:31] <seidos> i would rather remain balanced
[20:31] <seidos> i will be positive when Reality itself is
[20:32] <seidos> not feeling the skipping
[20:32] <seidos> perhaps if i were on the yellow brick road i would be
[20:32] <iheartubuntu> (d@mn)
[20:32] <seidos> or if i had ruby slippers
[20:36] <iheartubuntu> sn9 - looks like mythtv has a browser plugin
[20:45] <seidos> hasta la pasta
[20:48] <iheartubuntu> are there any easy ways to watch shows on BBC or Seesaw that are located in UK?
[20:49] <philipballew> ude the gogle uk search engine and google for those shows
[20:50] <iheartubuntu> does anyone know what happened to the guy working for writeonglass.com who hosted an ubuntu get together in socal 6+ months ago?