=== jjesse_ is now known as jjesse [03:09] rick_h__: Well, your name is anonymous, with you icon as the frisbee icon, and it says that you haven't shared anything with me (private) [03:11] gotcha [12:00] g'morning [12:04] morning [12:31] damn that deal of the day [12:31] snap-l: how dare you tell me of it [12:34] rick_h__: wallet lighter and kindle heavier today? [12:36] yea [12:44] so many metaphors break down in the digital age [12:52] yea, guess it's more "wallet found/used and kindle with less free memory today?" [12:53] I've got to get me a DX this year [12:54] hopefully they'll have new ones out around school time [13:18] i'm considering getting this http://oreilly.com/catalog/0636920016632 [13:18] I thought the point of app inventor was that you didn't need a book [13:18] it was so easy kids could use it kind of thing? [13:19] wow, 384 pages? [13:19] guess I'm wrong...or lots of screenshots [13:20] hah [13:22] rick_h__: I know, right? [13:22] snap-l yea, record two books in two days [13:22] did you also see "Building Android Apps with HTML, CSS, and JavaScript"? http://oreilly.com/catalog/0636920010067 [13:22] That's a record? :) [13:22] brousch: yea, there are a few books like that I've been checking reviews on [13:23] snap-l: lol, for me [13:23] I had only gotten one deal before [13:23] rick_h__: I thought it would have been 7 books in 2 days. [13:23] but I'm starting to check my machine for bugs [13:23] oh, I just mean deal of the day purchases [13:23] lol, get books all the time, though I've been working hard to stick to the new year's resolution [13:23] i really need a tablet so i can read these things on the couch [13:24] rick_h__: a new year's resolution to buy _fewer_ books? [13:24] brousch: yea, "read less..do more" [13:24] bah, lcd isn't for reading, but man that DX is getting hard to resist [13:25] The line is due for a refresh anyway. [13:25] yea, why I'm waiting [13:25] see what the new one is and maybe save some $$ on a used model [13:25] Blazeix must be looking to upgrade soon :) [13:26] ;) [13:27] i only have 1 hour stretches of time to read, so lcd is sufficient. it's just a pita to balance a laptop for reading on the couch [13:27] yea, laptop reading is fail as well [13:27] I do a lot of 'read to sleep' stuff [13:27] so the ereader without the bright light is good for that last 30-60min before bed [13:28] i would looooove one of these http://www.engadget.com/2011/05/17/samsung-galaxy-tab-10-1-limited-edition-review/ [13:28] 1280x800 on 10" screen [13:28] also i want an android tablet so my son can play around with it [13:29] i'm getting annoyed that tigerdirect hasn't sent a replacement for my buggy archos tablet [13:34] They may have trouble sourcing one [13:38] yeah, so send my money back ;) [13:54] damnit, they have the thing supposedly in stock in one of their stores in naperville, il. grab it off the shelf and send it to me! [13:54] ruh roh, they've angered the brousch [13:55] well it's been a month, and i really wanted it for monday's mobile web development meeting [13:55] ah, yea sucky [14:01] hm, it says i may be able to substitute. this is the same price http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=7330044&CatId=6957 [14:31] damn fools cancelled my back order and credited me back, but didn't notify me by email [14:34] heh, well at least it's not that they ignored you for a month [14:34] now you can go order whatever you want [14:45] i should just bite the bullet and get a nook color [14:45] heh, wait they have an announcment coming [14:46] http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2385535,00.asp [14:47] probably a new nook color now with encrypted bootloader! [14:48] you know it [14:48] they don'e like all that hacking [14:51] i can stay out of trouble with the wife by asking for it for my birthday 6/30. by that time i'll find out what the new one is [14:53] there you go, now you're thinking [14:53] I got in trouble, ordered a vacuum lol [14:55] <_stink_> rick_h__: did you create a comparison matrix for the vacuum too? [14:55] heh no [14:55] rick_h__: On the surface that doesn't sound troublesome [14:55] I knew I wanted to try one of these dyson [14:55] and woot had one so took the bait [14:55] but it's over the agreed "we'll discuss with sig other" $$ [14:56] so I got in trouble :P [14:56] foot-pounds of suction / decibel of noise? [14:56] <_stink_> hehe, i get it [14:56] so brousch is a wise man [14:59] rarely [15:36] rich_h__: recorded some audio with that mic, it's working great! Thanks again. [15:36] krondor: awesome [15:37] I was going to try to fashion a pop filter, but I think that will come after I get at least 1 episode out the door. [15:37] heh yea [15:37] you can actually have some decent distance on that to help some [15:37] but with pop filters for $10 I just ordered one [15:38] oh wow didn't realize they were so cheap. I was going to do the felt thing and try to make it but for 10 bucks yeah I'll just buy one. [15:38] make your own pop filter by going under the sink and getting a spounge [15:39] jrwren: are you speaking of the carbonated variety? [15:40] i have no idea. [15:41] krondor: ok lied: http://goo.gl/Epetw [15:41] that's the one I got and it's $16 right now [15:42] but there are some down to $12 it looks like [15:42] and up to $50 [15:42] try a metal one out for me lol [15:42] I don't hear grat things about those [15:43] but they pack/travel better [15:46] yeah that's true, maybe I'll make one initially and see how well it performs. Felt or nylon is cheap enough... [15:46] yep [16:08] only 148 days to go... time to switch repos to the ocelot [16:20] http://techland.time.com/2011/05/18/playstation-network-security-woes-continue-with-new-exploit/ [16:20] man, how much $$ you think sony has dished out to security companies and they still can't get it right [16:21] nice [16:21] Seems they're in for a continued world of hurt. [16:22] well at this point it's like they've put out a calling card [16:22] "want to be cool, join the crowd of folks that have hacked up sony! We want you! to hack us up good" [16:23] that's not really a new hack is it? I mean they're just saying that they took the reset password page offline because hackers compromised the security questions. [16:23] that's kind of a fallout from the first hack right? [16:23] "Hello, this is Sony. We suck...so can you please change your password *again*" [16:23] well it's a mix [16:23] part of opening back up is asking everyone in the system to please change your password before you can log back in [16:23] but once everyone changes their passwords, the original hackers (who have your email/birthday) can just change it to something else [16:24] since that's all that's required to change a password [16:24] the original plan was that you could only change your password from the place you first set it back up at [16:24] but guess the token/etc isn't verifying correctly [16:24] so your buddy down the street that knows your birthday could reset your password from his machine lol [16:25] at least that's how this reads [16:25] ah ok, so that's the second piece then. Yeah not so good... [16:25] so this will all end with sony sending two factor tokens to everyone [16:25] oh awesome, I can see it now [16:25] "dammit, I'm high and just want to kill some people, where the $#@$%#@ is that token generator!?!?!?!" [16:26] Can't they just do simple e-mailed password resets, like everbody else in the world? [16:26] "the new sony contrller, now with bio auth...simply point the red laser at your eye to log in" [16:26] no, they wanted to limit it to the devices [16:26] you have to do the changes from your ps2 [16:26] ps3 [16:26] lame [16:27] well the idea is ok. Help use the device as part of auth [16:27] but if you scew up...*sigh* [16:28] at least it sounds like a security firm found/notified them [16:28] nothing in here about real exploit at this point [16:29] wasn't it uncovered as part of the Japanese government's audit? They didn't allow them to turn psn back on in japan until the government was satisfied it was secured. [16:30] "Mexican authorities find 513 illegal immigrants in 2 tractor-trailers". Those crazy college kids! [16:30] Always trying to see how many people they can stuff in one vehicle. [16:31] there were 513, so clearly one team beat the other by at least one person [16:31] so close to 512. then we'd have nice power of 2 numbers. [16:38] If I were a PS3 owner heavily into networked gaming, I'd be furious right now [16:38] my coworker hasn't been able to complete Portal 2 yet because of it [16:39] Wow, that sucks [16:39] is there a way to measure how much more productive the world has been during this outage? [16:40] It's a false productivity with everyone trying to get to the network every five minutes. ;) [16:45] what outage? [16:46] sony PSN [16:55] somebody must die [16:56] they're running out of IT folks in japan [16:58] oh, I wasn't referring to Sony. I couldn't care less about gaming consoles [16:58] I meant, somebody here must die [17:00] For starters, I just got an e-mail that was addressed to "Friends_of_Fred_Shadko"... a group ID that apparently everybody in Chrysler (or at least everybody in ITM) was added to, whether they'd ever heard Fred's name before or not. [17:00] The e-mail contained a link to a Notes document (we've migrated away from Notes) which then contained a Word document. [17:01] that's 2 or 3 different kinds of stupid [17:01] possibly 4 [17:01] <_stink_> awesome [17:02] and the Word doc didn't contain anything that couldn't have just been pasted in the body of the e-mail to begin with. In fact, most of it was. [17:03] and I'm still wondering who Fred Shadko is, but I'm tempted to go to his retirement party anyways. [17:10] perhaps I'm just grumpy [17:10] http://acko.net/blog/on-termkit [17:10] call it the rick heart attack kit! [17:12] Hey, don't bash monospace! [17:12] Monospace fonts are FTW [17:14] variable width fonts are just asking for trouble. Don't believe me? Come take a look at the crap application I'm involved with... :-p [17:25] jcastro: I hope that whatever this gent is working on works for him [17:25] because I'll likely never use it [17:26] I don't need the ADD version of GNOME-DO in my terminal. [17:26] heh [17:26] My idea is more conservative [17:26] http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5720/terminal-lens.png [17:27] Meh [17:28] meh your face [17:28] not in public [17:29] Now that's what I'm talking about... [17:29] It's pretty, but it's still a term window [17:29] and monospace [17:30] Meh [17:30] I don't see the advantage [17:31] well, I think it'd be pretty cool to integrate termkit as a lens. [17:31] I use the terminal to get shit done [17:31] the input is t the top? So it's all in top-to-bottom order? That'd be confusing to me [17:31] and making it bigger just doesn't do much for me [17:35] Uness it works via SSH, it's no good to me [17:38] you remote access people... [17:38] Yeah, we're killing the internet. [17:39] well, it'd be in addition to urxvt, of course. If it's a lens it'd be just used for local access. [17:39] I can't imagine myself sshing via a lens. If I had to do serious bash scripting or remote sessions, I'd use a standalone terminal [17:43] ++ [17:44] http://blog.iso50.com/2746/vt100-user-guide/ [17:47] Blazeix: it's the return of tilda/yaquake [17:47] just as a lense shortcut vs a drop down [17:47] all that wasn't cool then is cool now [17:48] yeah, that's why the termkit integration would differentiate it [17:48] I'm missing the termkit bit? [17:49] why would we have a node/js based terminal there? can't it just incorp gnome-terminal or something? [17:49] ah, see jcastro's link http://acko.net/blog/on-termkit [17:50] that link both offends and intrigues me, I don't know what to think [17:50] right, oh you just mean the ui-ish of it? [17:50] I thought you meant more the embedded js tech of it, like gnome3 js stuff [17:51] sometimes I feel like such a bad guy [17:51] boss is all excited about: http://fanstatic.org/ [17:52] and all I can do is think about how it solves the wrong problem the wrong way ugh [17:52] oh, I'm not sold on the json passing yet, though it could be neat. [17:52] mainly just basic user stuff like nice progress bars, cat-ing images, etc [17:53] rick_h__: What is this supposed to solve? Looks like Python CDN [17:53] kind of, he's all excited that he can (in python) say which .js and .css to include [17:53] so that pages without a date picker don't get datepicker code [17:53] but now each page hash it's own url for .js and .css files, causing you to miss caches much more often [17:54] when just using library cdn's, or moving your files to a diff subdomain (static.xxx) and all that would make a much bigger difference [17:54] but he's all happy and wants to defend it to no end [17:54] Why not use this for a static CDN subdomain? [17:54] and I don't want to deal with it so want to crush it [17:54] Ah, OK. ;) [17:54] so this isa wsgi layer you wrap around your app [17:55] so the files come from your app via the same wsgi serving your app is under [17:55] and you've got to do all the library setup, it's just more pita for no real gain [17:55] This sounds like the problem of too few resources (one domain name) [17:55] it's a number of problems [17:56] ie: If I didn't have the ability to spin up CNAMEs like crazy, then it might help [17:56] I'd much rather biuld something like the yui builder [17:56] that's the right way to fix those kinds of issues imo [17:56] Did this Planet post about bug triage make anybody else say "WTF"? http://blog.launchpad.net/bug-tracking/how-triage-launchpad-bugs [17:56] and then he goes off "well what if we're on site with no net access"...ugh [17:57] High importance is "Bugs we think we can fix in the next six months." I'm sorry... thinking you can fix it in x amount of time is more about low difficulty than high importance. [17:59] And low importance basically means DIY or fuggedaboutit [17:59] bug priorities are too overloaded anyway [17:59] There is a bug in priorities of bugs. [17:59] Should be when to fix, not prioirity [18:00] Immediately, ASAP, etc [18:01] There should be some mechanism that links "This bug affects me" directly to priority. So that if a bug affects a lot of people, it gains more importance than bugs that affect few [18:02] With a separate security priority [18:02] I could abide by that [18:03] Security priority: denial of service _> Serious goatse moment [18:04] not necessarily security... I'd say a "priority" based on users complaining and an "importance" which devs set one of 3 levels. Critical for security issues or total breakage, High for non-security issues that adversely affect functionality, and low for annoyances. [18:04] Sorry, but you need a secuirty path [18:04] and make it separate [18:04] you're once again overloading priority. ;) [18:07] You need the secuirty path to be clean [18:10] if users are worried about a security bug they can add themselves to the "this affects me" and get it moved up the queue [18:12] let me fix that for you "if users are worried about a security bug, they can apply the diff and recompile like everyone else out there!" [18:13] wtf, is this gentoo? [18:14] i just picked up some of this for a meeting tonight http://beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/12516/27857 [18:15] Thirsty Dog Old Leghumper Porter [18:17] because everybody wants an Old Leghumper... [18:18] and "I only *wish* this was Gentoo..." [18:18] :-p [18:38] oooh, star trek cook book http://www.thinkgeek.com/books/nonfiction/e8ce/?cpg=159H&link [18:38] brousch: your AA meeting lets you BYOB? [18:38] anyhow, looks good ;) [18:39] barcamp grand rapids organizing meeting [18:39] ah [18:42] hmm, the NYC barcamp is at Microsoft's office, not sure I could be BYOB [18:42] oh, don't let tjagoda see that link [18:55] I would never buy a cookbook with nelix on the cover [18:55] racist [18:58] Yes [18:58] I am racist against rainbow lion-lizards =P [18:58] maybe you're sexist. i bet if it was an orion slave girl on the covor you'd buy it [18:59] Orion slave girls are not rainbow lion-lizards. [18:59] I bet if it was Neelix's wife on the cover you'd buy it [19:01] What part of racist are you people not getting [19:02] cripes. apparently i need a license on my blog posts now [19:02] do I need to exterminate the lion-lizards? =P ' [19:02] * wolfger is being intentionally obtuse [19:02] i feel like a rock star [19:02] brousch i saw your post got posted on facebook [19:02] tjagoda is the Hitler of the Star Trek universe [19:03] jjesse: the tedxmuskegon site wants to republish it or use it [19:03] 'interesting [19:04] If the Jack boots fir, sir. =P [19:04] * brousch wanders over to Consilience to see how the pros do it [19:19] greg-g: why did you choose the cc-by-sa over just cc-by? [19:21] because he wants you IP thieves to share [19:21] but they still have to give credit [19:23] what's credit got to do with anything? [19:23] it seems like it would limit reuse of the work [19:23] only other freetards can reuse it [19:23] LOL [19:24] if you don't believe in releasing things as CC, don't steal things from other people's CC works. That's very simple. [19:25] sa is the "don't be a f'ing hypocrite" clause [19:26] Of course, I don't really speak for greg-g... his reasoning may or may not be the same. [19:35] i guess i'm more mit than gpl [19:38] brousch: did you have a specific use of mine in mind, or just in general? [19:40] general [19:40] brousch: is trying to stir up trouble [19:40] for once i'm not [19:41] i'm trying to put a license on my blog [19:41] ahhhh, so... [19:42] in general, I like the use of BY-SA over just BY because it makes sure that is someone reuses my work when creating something new, I can build off of their derivative. This argument usually works to help people move away from -NC/ND restrictions [19:43] like, if a political campaign that yo udon't like uses your photo, you can then create a derivative of their ad under BY-SA to comment on it [19:43] with BY, you don't (necessarily) have that option [19:43] interesting [19:47] but... with that said (sorry, phone call)... [19:47] "go find your own license silly!" [19:47] oh sorry, didn't mean to complete your sentence there greg-g :P [19:47] BY does have less restriction, thus is pretty quantifiably "more re-usable" [19:47] haha [19:47] i encourage the use of CC:BY for educational/scholarly works [19:48] and BY-SA for creative works [19:48] that distinction is hard to make sometimes, and the benefits of SA over just BY can start to diminish as time goes on... but, that's my general rule of thumb [19:48] how many times a day do you reeat that? [19:48] repeat [19:49] hah, about 6.8, on average [19:49] you have infinite patience. it is amazing [19:49] with my job, you have to. [19:49] it's the beard [19:49] And, really, to try and effect change in a complex system, you *really* have to [19:49] rick_h__: indeed [19:49] :) [19:50] two times and i'm yelling IT'S ON MY BLOG LOOK IT UP [19:50] btw, /me waves from orlando [19:50] oh, nice [19:50] hanging with Mickey? [19:50] it's easier to have patience in Orlando [19:50] yeah, here for a conference, giving the lunch time keynote on CC [19:51] yeah, my evening is going to consist of a pool, a hot tub, a drink, and reviewing my preso [19:51] not all at the same time [19:51] why not? [19:52] even though my x200s is awesome, it is not water proof [19:52] pool and hottub at the same time? Would be difficult and counterproductive [19:53] oh yeah, that too [19:53] often they are separate by more than the length of one person, as well [19:53] "I make my own hottub" [19:53] so: difficult -> impossible [19:53] yikes [19:53] eww [19:53] must be all that natural food [19:53] "Why is it warm and bubbly around that guy?" [19:57] thanks for the help, greg-g [19:58] brousch: of course, if you have any specific issues/concerns you have in mind, let me know, I might have some pointers [19:59] tedxmuskegon wants to republish a blog post i wrote. that's when i realised i had no license [20:03] ahhh [20:54] https://donate.barackobama.com/page/contribute/o2012-made-in-the-usa-mug?source=20110518_js_nd [20:54] brilliant [20:56] ohman, i am so tempted to get that. half the people i work with are birthers [20:57] Sorry to hear that. [20:58] yeah, that's the worst part of west mi, all the conservative nutjobs