[03:09] <snap-l> rick_h__: Well, your name is anonymous, with you icon as the frisbee icon, and it says that you haven't shared anything with me (private)
[03:11] <rick_h__> gotcha
[12:00] <greg-g> g'morning
[12:04] <rick_h__> morning
[12:31] <rick_h__> damn that deal of the day
[12:31] <rick_h__> snap-l: how dare you tell me of it
[12:34] <brousch> rick_h__: wallet lighter and kindle heavier today?
[12:36] <rick_h__> yea
[12:44] <brousch> so many metaphors break down in the digital age
[12:52] <rick_h__> yea, guess it's more "wallet found/used and kindle with less free memory today?"
[12:53] <rick_h__> I've got to get me a DX this year
[12:54] <rick_h__> hopefully they'll have new ones out around school time
[13:18] <brousch> i'm considering getting this http://oreilly.com/catalog/0636920016632
[13:18] <rick_h__> I thought the point of app inventor was that you didn't need a book
[13:18] <rick_h__> it was so easy kids could use it kind of thing?
[13:19] <rick_h__> wow, 384 pages?
[13:19] <rick_h__> guess I'm wrong...or lots of screenshots
[13:20] <brousch> hah
[13:22] <snap-l> rick_h__: I know, right?
[13:22] <rick_h__>  snap-l yea, record two books in two days
[13:22] <brousch> did you also see "Building Android Apps with HTML, CSS, and JavaScript"? http://oreilly.com/catalog/0636920010067
[13:22] <snap-l> That's a record? :)
[13:22] <rick_h__> brousch: yea, there are a few books like that I've been checking reviews on
[13:23] <rick_h__> snap-l: lol, for me
[13:23] <rick_h__> I had only gotten one deal before
[13:23] <snap-l> rick_h__: I thought it would have been 7 books in 2 days.
[13:23] <rick_h__> but I'm starting to check my machine for bugs
[13:23] <rick_h__> oh, I just mean deal of the day purchases
[13:23] <rick_h__> lol, get books all the time, though I've been working hard to stick to the new year's resolution
[13:23] <brousch> i really need a tablet so i can read these things on the couch
[13:24] <brousch> rick_h__: a new year's resolution to buy _fewer_ books?
[13:24] <rick_h__> brousch: yea, "read less..do more"
[13:24] <rick_h__> bah, lcd isn't for reading, but man that DX is getting hard to resist
[13:25] <snap-l> The line is due for a refresh anyway.
[13:25] <rick_h__> yea, why I'm waiting
[13:25] <rick_h__> see what the new one is and maybe save some $$ on a used model
[13:25] <rick_h__> Blazeix must be looking to upgrade soon :)
[13:26] <snap-l> ;)
[13:27] <brousch> i only have 1 hour stretches of time to read, so lcd is sufficient. it's just a pita to balance a laptop for reading on the couch
[13:27] <rick_h__> yea, laptop reading is fail as well
[13:27] <rick_h__> I do a lot of 'read to sleep' stuff
[13:27] <rick_h__> so the ereader without the bright light is good for that last 30-60min before bed
[13:28] <brousch> i would looooove one of these http://www.engadget.com/2011/05/17/samsung-galaxy-tab-10-1-limited-edition-review/
[13:28] <brousch> 1280x800 on 10" screen
[13:28] <brousch> also i want an android tablet so my son can play around with it
[13:29] <brousch> i'm getting annoyed that tigerdirect hasn't sent a replacement for my buggy archos tablet
[13:34] <snap-l> They may have trouble sourcing one
[13:38] <brousch> yeah, so send my money back ;)
[13:54] <brousch> damnit, they have the thing supposedly in stock in one of their stores in naperville, il. grab it off the shelf and send it to me!
[13:54] <rick_h__> ruh roh, they've angered the brousch
[13:55] <brousch> well it's been a month, and i really wanted it for monday's mobile web development meeting
[13:55] <rick_h__> ah, yea sucky
[14:01] <brousch> hm, it says i may be able to substitute. this is the same price http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=7330044&CatId=6957
[14:31] <brousch> damn fools cancelled my back order and credited me back, but didn't notify me by email
[14:34] <rick_h__> heh, well at least it's not that they ignored you for a month
[14:34] <rick_h__> now you can go order whatever you want
[14:45] <brousch> i should just bite the bullet and get a nook color
[14:45] <rick_h__> heh, wait they have an announcment coming
[14:46] <rick_h__> http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2385535,00.asp
[14:47] <brousch> probably a new nook color now with encrypted bootloader!
[14:48] <rick_h__> you know it
[14:48] <rick_h__> they don'e like all that hacking
[14:51] <brousch> i can stay out of trouble with the wife by asking for it for my birthday 6/30. by that time i'll find out what the new one is
[14:53] <rick_h__> there you go, now you're thinking
[14:53] <rick_h__> I got in trouble, ordered a vacuum lol
[14:55] <_stink_> rick_h__: did you create a comparison matrix for the vacuum too?
[14:55] <rick_h__> heh no
[14:55] <snap-l> rick_h__: On the surface that doesn't sound troublesome
[14:55] <rick_h__> I knew I wanted to try one of these dyson
[14:55] <rick_h__> and woot had one so took the bait
[14:55] <rick_h__> but it's over the agreed "we'll discuss with sig other" $$
[14:56] <rick_h__> so I got in trouble :P
[14:56] <brousch> foot-pounds of suction / decibel of noise?
[14:56] <_stink_> hehe, i get it
[14:56] <rick_h__> so brousch is a wise man
[14:59] <brousch> rarely
[15:36] <krondor> rich_h__:  recorded some audio with that mic, it's working great!  Thanks again.
[15:36] <rick_h__> krondor: awesome
[15:37] <krondor> I was going to try to fashion a pop filter, but I think that will come after I get at least 1 episode out the door.
[15:37] <rick_h__> heh yea
[15:37] <rick_h__> you can actually have some decent distance on that to help some
[15:37] <rick_h__> but with pop filters for $10 I just ordered one
[15:38] <krondor> oh wow didn't realize they were so cheap.  I was going to do the felt thing and try to make it but for 10 bucks yeah I'll just buy one.
[15:38] <jrwren> make your own pop filter by going under the sink and getting a spounge
[15:39] <krondor> jrwren:  are you speaking of the carbonated variety?
[15:40] <jrwren> i have no idea.
[15:41] <rick_h__> krondor: ok lied: http://goo.gl/Epetw
[15:41] <rick_h__> that's the one I got and it's $16 right now
[15:42] <rick_h__> but there are some down to $12 it looks like
[15:42] <rick_h__> and up to $50
[15:42] <rick_h__> try a metal one out for me lol
[15:42] <rick_h__> I don't hear grat things about those
[15:43] <rick_h__> but they pack/travel better
[15:46] <krondor> yeah that's true, maybe I'll make one initially and see how well it performs.  Felt or nylon is cheap enough...
[15:46] <rick_h__> yep
[16:08] <wolfger> only 148 days to go... time to switch repos to the ocelot
[16:20] <rick_h__> http://techland.time.com/2011/05/18/playstation-network-security-woes-continue-with-new-exploit/
[16:20] <rick_h__> man, how much $$ you think sony has dished out to security companies and they still can't get it right
[16:21] <snap-l> nice
[16:21] <snap-l> Seems they're in for a continued world of hurt.
[16:22] <rick_h__> well at this point it's like they've put out a calling card
[16:22] <rick_h__> "want to be cool, join the crowd of folks that have hacked up sony! We want you! to hack us up good"
[16:23] <krondor> that's not really a new hack is it?  I mean they're just saying that they took the reset password page offline because hackers compromised the security questions.
[16:23] <krondor> that's kind of a fallout from the first hack right?
[16:23] <rick_h__> "Hello, this is Sony. We suck...so can you please change your password *again*"
[16:23] <rick_h__> well it's a mix
[16:23] <rick_h__> part of opening back up is asking everyone in the system to please change your password before you can log back in
[16:23] <rick_h__> but once everyone changes their passwords, the original hackers (who have your email/birthday) can just change it to something else
[16:24] <rick_h__> since that's all that's required to change a password
[16:24] <rick_h__> the original plan was that you could only change your password from the place you first set it back up at
[16:24] <rick_h__> but guess the token/etc isn't verifying correctly
[16:24] <rick_h__> so your buddy down the street that knows your birthday could reset your password from his machine lol
[16:25] <rick_h__> at least that's how this reads
[16:25] <krondor> ah ok, so that's the second piece then.  Yeah not so good...
[16:25] <krondor> so this will all end with sony sending two factor tokens to everyone
[16:25] <rick_h__> oh awesome, I can see it now
[16:25] <rick_h__> "dammit, I'm high and just want to kill some people, where the $#@$%#@ is that token generator!?!?!?!"
[16:26] <wolfger> Can't they just do simple e-mailed password resets, like everbody else in the world?
[16:26] <rick_h__> "the new sony contrller, now with bio auth...simply point the red laser at your eye to log in"
[16:26] <rick_h__> no, they wanted to limit it to the devices
[16:26] <rick_h__> you have to do the changes from your ps2
[16:26] <rick_h__> ps3
[16:26] <wolfger> lame
[16:27] <rick_h__> well the idea is ok. Help use the device as part of auth
[16:27] <rick_h__> but if you scew up...*sigh*
[16:28] <rick_h__> at least it sounds like a security firm found/notified them
[16:28] <rick_h__> nothing in here about real exploit at this point
[16:29] <krondor> wasn't it uncovered as part of the Japanese government's audit?  They didn't allow them to turn psn back on in japan until the government was satisfied it was secured.
[16:30] <wolfger> "Mexican authorities find 513 illegal immigrants in 2 tractor-trailers". Those crazy college kids!
[16:30] <wolfger> Always trying to see how many people they can stuff in one vehicle.
[16:31] <wolfger> there were 513, so clearly one team beat the other by at least one person
[16:31] <Blazeix> so close to 512. then we'd have nice power of 2 numbers.
[16:38] <snap-l> If I were a PS3 owner heavily into networked gaming, I'd be furious right now
[16:38] <Blazeix> my coworker hasn't been able to complete Portal 2 yet because of it
[16:39] <snap-l> Wow, that sucks
[16:39] <brousch> is there a way to measure how much more productive the world has been during this outage?
[16:40] <snap-l> It's a false productivity with everyone trying to get to the network every five minutes. ;)
[16:45] <jrwren> what outage?
[16:46] <rick_h__> sony PSN
[16:55] <wolfger> somebody must die
[16:56] <rick_h__> they're running out of IT folks in japan
[16:58] <wolfger> oh, I wasn't referring to Sony. I couldn't care less about gaming consoles
[16:58] <wolfger> I meant, somebody here must die
[17:00] <wolfger> For starters, I just got an e-mail that was addressed to "Friends_of_Fred_Shadko"... a group ID that apparently everybody in Chrysler (or at least everybody in ITM) was added to, whether they'd ever heard Fred's name before or not.
[17:00] <wolfger> The e-mail contained a link to a Notes document (we've migrated away from Notes) which then contained a Word document.
[17:01] <wolfger> that's 2 or 3 different kinds of stupid
[17:01] <wolfger> possibly 4
[17:01] <_stink_> awesome
[17:02] <wolfger> and the Word doc didn't contain anything that couldn't have just been pasted in the body of the e-mail to begin with. In fact, most of it was.
[17:03] <wolfger> and I'm still wondering who Fred Shadko is, but I'm tempted to go to his retirement party anyways.
[17:10] <wolfger> perhaps I'm just grumpy
[17:10] <jcastro> http://acko.net/blog/on-termkit
[17:10] <jcastro> call it the rick heart attack kit!
[17:12] <wolfger> Hey, don't bash monospace!
[17:12] <wolfger> Monospace fonts are FTW
[17:14] <wolfger> variable width fonts are just asking for trouble. Don't believe me? Come take a look at the crap application I'm involved with... :-p
[17:25] <snap-l> jcastro: I hope that whatever this gent is working on works for him
[17:25] <snap-l> because I'll likely never use it
[17:26] <snap-l> I don't need the ADD version of GNOME-DO in my terminal.
[17:26] <ColonelPanic001> heh
[17:26] <jcastro> My idea is more conservative
[17:26] <jcastro> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5720/terminal-lens.png
[17:27] <snap-l> Meh
[17:28] <jcastro> meh your face
[17:28] <ColonelPanic001> not in public
[17:29] <wolfger> Now that's what I'm talking about...
[17:29] <wolfger> It's pretty, but it's still a term window
[17:29] <wolfger> and monospace
[17:30] <snap-l> Meh
[17:30] <ColonelPanic001> I don't see the advantage
[17:31] <Blazeix> well, I think it'd be pretty cool to integrate termkit as a lens.
[17:31] <snap-l> I use the terminal to get shit done
[17:31] <ColonelPanic001> the input is t the top? So it's all in top-to-bottom order? That'd be confusing to me
[17:31] <ColonelPanic001> and making it bigger just doesn't do much for me
[17:35] <snap-l> Uness it works via SSH, it's no good to me
[17:38] <wolfger> you remote access people...
[17:38] <snap-l> Yeah, we're killing the internet.
[17:39] <Blazeix> well, it'd be in addition to urxvt, of course. If it's a lens it'd be just used for local access.
[17:39] <Blazeix> I can't imagine myself sshing via a lens. If I had to do serious bash scripting or remote sessions, I'd use a standalone terminal
[17:43] <snap-l> ++
[17:44] <snap-l> http://blog.iso50.com/2746/vt100-user-guide/
[17:47] <rick_h__> Blazeix: it's the return of tilda/yaquake
[17:47] <rick_h__> just as a lense shortcut vs a drop down
[17:47] <rick_h__> all that wasn't cool then is cool now
[17:48] <Blazeix> yeah, that's why the termkit integration would differentiate it
[17:48] <rick_h__> I'm missing the termkit bit?
[17:49] <rick_h__> why would we have a node/js based terminal there? can't it just incorp gnome-terminal or something?
[17:49] <Blazeix> ah, see jcastro's link http://acko.net/blog/on-termkit
[17:50] <krondor> that link both offends and intrigues me, I don't know what to think
[17:50] <rick_h__> right, oh you just mean the ui-ish of it?
[17:50] <rick_h__> I thought you meant more the embedded js tech of it, like gnome3 js stuff
[17:51] <rick_h__> sometimes I feel like such a bad guy
[17:51] <rick_h__> boss is all excited about: http://fanstatic.org/
[17:52] <rick_h__> and all I can do is think about how it solves the wrong problem the wrong way ugh
[17:52] <Blazeix> oh, I'm not sold on the json passing yet, though it could be neat.
[17:52] <Blazeix> mainly just basic user stuff like nice progress bars, cat-ing images, etc
[17:53] <snap-l> rick_h__: What is this supposed to solve? Looks like Python CDN
[17:53] <rick_h__> kind of, he's all excited that he can (in python) say which .js and .css to include
[17:53] <rick_h__> so that pages without a date picker don't get datepicker code
[17:53] <rick_h__> but now each page hash it's own url for .js and .css files, causing you to miss caches much more often
[17:54] <rick_h__> when just using library cdn's, or moving your files to a diff subdomain (static.xxx) and all that would make a much bigger difference
[17:54] <rick_h__> but he's all happy and wants to defend it to no end
[17:54] <snap-l> Why not use this for a static CDN subdomain?
[17:54] <rick_h__> and I don't want to deal with it so want to crush it
[17:54] <snap-l> Ah, OK. ;)
[17:54] <rick_h__> so this isa wsgi layer you wrap around your app
[17:55] <rick_h__> so the files come from your app via the same wsgi serving your app is under
[17:55] <rick_h__> and you've got to do all the library setup, it's just more pita for no real gain
[17:55] <snap-l> This sounds like the problem of too few resources (one domain name)
[17:55] <rick_h__> it's a number of problems
[17:56] <snap-l> ie: If I didn't have the ability to spin up CNAMEs like crazy, then it might help
[17:56] <rick_h__> I'd much rather biuld something like the yui builder
[17:56] <rick_h__> that's the right way to fix those kinds of issues imo
[17:56] <wolfger> Did this Planet post about bug triage make anybody else say "WTF"? http://blog.launchpad.net/bug-tracking/how-triage-launchpad-bugs
[17:56] <rick_h__> and then he goes off "well what if we're on site with no net access"...ugh
[17:57] <wolfger> High importance is "Bugs we think we can fix in the next six months."  I'm sorry... thinking you can fix it in x amount of time is more about low difficulty than high importance.
[17:59] <wolfger> And low importance basically means DIY or fuggedaboutit
[17:59] <snap-l> bug priorities are too overloaded anyway
[17:59] <tjagoda> There is a bug in priorities of bugs.
[17:59] <snap-l> Should be when to fix, not prioirity
[18:00] <snap-l> Immediately, ASAP, etc
[18:01] <wolfger> There should be some mechanism that links "This bug affects me" directly to priority. So that if a bug affects a lot of people, it gains more importance than bugs that affect few
[18:02] <snap-l> With a separate security priority
[18:02] <snap-l> I could abide by that
[18:03] <snap-l> Security priority: denial of service _> Serious goatse moment
[18:04] <wolfger> not necessarily security... I'd say a "priority" based on users complaining and an "importance" which devs set one of 3 levels. Critical for security issues or total breakage, High for non-security issues that adversely affect functionality, and low for annoyances.
[18:04] <snap-l> Sorry, but you need a secuirty path
[18:04] <snap-l> and make it separate
[18:04] <snap-l> you're once again overloading priority. ;)
[18:07] <snap-l> You need the secuirty path to be clean
[18:10] <brousch> if users are worried about a security bug they can add themselves to the "this affects me" and get it moved up the queue
[18:12] <rick_h__> let me fix that for you "if users are worried about a security bug, they can apply the diff and recompile like everyone else out there!"
[18:13] <brousch> wtf, is this gentoo?
[18:14] <brousch> i just picked up some of this for a meeting tonight http://beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/12516/27857
[18:15] <brousch> Thirsty Dog Old Leghumper Porter
[18:17] <wolfger> because everybody wants an Old Leghumper...
[18:18] <wolfger> and "I only *wish* this was Gentoo..."
[18:18] <wolfger> :-p
[18:38] <brousch> oooh, star trek cook book http://www.thinkgeek.com/books/nonfiction/e8ce/?cpg=159H&link
[18:38] <binbrain> brousch: your AA meeting lets you BYOB?
[18:38] <binbrain> anyhow, looks good ;)
[18:39] <brousch> barcamp grand rapids organizing meeting
[18:39] <binbrain> ah
[18:42] <binbrain> hmm, the NYC barcamp is at Microsoft's office, not sure I could be BYOB
[18:42] <wolfger> oh, don't let tjagoda see that link
[18:55] <tjagoda> I would never buy a cookbook with nelix on the cover
[18:55] <brousch> racist
[18:58] <tjagoda> Yes
[18:58] <tjagoda> I am racist against rainbow lion-lizards =P
[18:58] <brousch> maybe you're sexist. i bet if it was an orion slave girl on the covor you'd buy it
[18:59] <tjagoda> Orion slave girls are not rainbow lion-lizards.
[18:59] <wolfger> I bet if it was Neelix's wife on the cover you'd buy it
[19:01] <tjagoda> What part of racist are you people not getting
[19:02] <brousch> cripes. apparently i need a license on my blog posts now
[19:02] <tjagoda> do I need to exterminate the lion-lizards? =P '
[19:02]  * wolfger is being intentionally obtuse
[19:02] <brousch> i feel like a rock star
[19:02] <jjesse> brousch i saw your post got posted on facebook
[19:02] <wolfger> tjagoda is the Hitler of the Star Trek universe
[19:03] <brousch> jjesse: the tedxmuskegon site wants to republish it or use it
[19:03] <jjesse> 'interesting
[19:04] <tjagoda> If the Jack boots fir, sir. =P
[19:04]  * brousch wanders over to Consilience to see how the pros do it
[19:19] <brousch> greg-g: why did you choose the cc-by-sa over just cc-by?
[19:21] <wolfger> because he wants you IP thieves to share
[19:21] <brousch> but they still have to give credit
[19:23] <wolfger> what's credit got to do with anything?
[19:23] <brousch> it seems like it would limit reuse of the work
[19:23] <brousch> only other freetards can reuse it
[19:23] <wolfger> LOL
[19:24] <wolfger> if you don't believe in releasing things as CC, don't steal things from other people's CC works. That's very simple.
[19:25] <wolfger> sa is the "don't be a f'ing hypocrite" clause
[19:26] <wolfger> Of course, I don't really speak for greg-g... his reasoning may or may not be the same.
[19:35] <brousch> i guess i'm more mit than gpl
[19:38] <greg-g> brousch: did you have a specific use of mine in mind, or just in general?
[19:40] <brousch> general
[19:40] <rick_h__> brousch: is trying to stir up trouble
[19:40] <brousch> for once i'm not
[19:41] <brousch> i'm trying to put a license on my blog
[19:41] <greg-g> ahhhh, so...
[19:42] <greg-g> in general, I like the use of BY-SA over just BY because it makes sure that is someone reuses my work when creating something new, I can build off of their derivative. This argument usually works to help people move away from -NC/ND restrictions
[19:43] <greg-g> like, if a political campaign that yo udon't like uses your photo, you can then create a derivative of their ad under BY-SA to comment on it
[19:43] <greg-g> with BY, you don't (necessarily) have that option
[19:43] <brousch> interesting
[19:47] <greg-g> but... with that said (sorry, phone call)...
[19:47] <rick_h__> "go find your own license silly!"
[19:47] <rick_h__> oh sorry, didn't mean to complete your sentence there greg-g :P
[19:47] <greg-g> BY does have less restriction, thus is pretty quantifiably "more re-usable"
[19:47] <greg-g> haha
[19:47] <greg-g> i encourage the use of CC:BY for educational/scholarly works
[19:48] <greg-g> and BY-SA for creative works
[19:48] <greg-g> that distinction is hard to make sometimes, and the benefits of SA over just BY can start to diminish as time goes on... but, that's my general rule of thumb
[19:48] <brousch> how many times a day do you reeat that?
[19:48] <brousch> repeat
[19:49] <greg-g> hah, about 6.8, on average
[19:49] <brousch> you have infinite patience. it is amazing
[19:49] <greg-g> with my job, you have to.
[19:49] <rick_h__> it's the beard
[19:49] <greg-g> And, really, to try and effect change in a complex system, you *really* have to
[19:49] <greg-g> rick_h__: indeed
[19:49] <greg-g> :)
[19:50] <brousch> two times and i'm yelling IT'S ON MY BLOG LOOK IT UP
[19:50] <greg-g> btw, /me waves from orlando
[19:50] <brousch> oh, nice
[19:50] <brousch> hanging with Mickey?
[19:50] <wolfger> it's easier to have patience in Orlando
[19:50] <greg-g> yeah, here for a conference, giving the lunch time keynote on CC
[19:51] <greg-g> yeah, my evening is going to consist of a pool, a hot tub, a drink, and reviewing my preso
[19:51] <greg-g> not all at the same time
[19:51] <brousch> why not?
[19:52] <greg-g> even though my x200s is awesome, it is not water proof
[19:52] <wolfger> pool and hottub at the same time? Would be difficult and counterproductive
[19:53] <greg-g> oh yeah, that too
[19:53] <wolfger> often they are separate by more than the length of one person, as well
[19:53] <greg-g> "I make my own hottub"
[19:53] <wolfger> so: difficult -> impossible
[19:53] <brousch> yikes
[19:53] <wolfger> eww
[19:53] <brousch> must be all that natural food
[19:53] <wolfger> "Why is it warm and bubbly around that guy?"
[19:57] <brousch> thanks for the help, greg-g
[19:58] <greg-g> brousch: of course, if you have any specific issues/concerns you have in mind, let me know, I might have some pointers
[19:59] <brousch> tedxmuskegon wants to republish a blog post i wrote. that's when i realised i had no license
[20:03] <greg-g> ahhh
[20:54] <snap-l> https://donate.barackobama.com/page/contribute/o2012-made-in-the-usa-mug?source=20110518_js_nd
[20:54] <snap-l> brilliant
[20:56] <brousch> ohman, i am so tempted to get that. half the people i work with are birthers
[20:57] <snap-l> Sorry to hear that.
[20:58] <brousch> yeah, that's the worst part of west mi, all the conservative nutjobs