[01:54] <cyberanger> chris4585: I bit the bullet and did it from scratch with debootstrap
[02:05] <vychune> o/
[04:04] <chris4585> cyberanger, yeah?
[04:04] <chris4585> I like it from debootstrap better
[13:08] <wrst> morning cyberanger
[16:26] <kd4zay> morning all
[16:46] <wrst> kd4zay: morning
[16:52] <vychune> o/
[18:24] <kd4zay> cyberanger: how do you guys handle your linux backups? I looking for a way to take snapshots of the system while mounted.  deshavu!
[18:37] <Juzzy> lvm can
[18:38] <Juzzy> how many linux boxes?
[19:34] <chris4585> kd4zay, my favorite method of backing up http://paste.ubuntu.com/609655/
[20:00] <Xpistos> what are you backing up with that>
[20:01] <Juzzy> heh
[20:01] <Juzzy> everything apperently
[20:30] <kd4zay> I have about 8 linux boxes
[20:35] <kd4zay> chris4585: so if i was to need to do a full metal restore i would need to: manually create the partitions ,restore the backup, chroot from the bootup media mount dev and proc then run grub to reinstall the mbr ?
[20:41] <kd4zay> juzzy: lvm was not install on these server originally
[21:05] <cyberanger> hey wrst
[21:06] <cyberanger> kd4zay: we've not done frozen snapshots, becuase the system was mounted
[21:06] <cyberanger> in the past, we've umounted /boot
[21:06] <cyberanger> then rsync'd it
[21:06] <cyberanger> then do the same, but without unmounting it
[21:07] <cyberanger> ignoring a directory here and there
[21:07] <kd4zay> i see
[21:07] <cyberanger> not a full backup, exactly, but the directories we ignored are the stuff that is created on the fly
[21:08] <cyberanger>  /proc for example
[21:08] <kd4zay> dev proc
[21:08] <cyberanger>  /dev too, yep
[21:08] <kd4zay> sys
[21:09] <cyberanger> um, not sure on that one
[21:09] <kd4zay> though rsync would only keep one copy synced correct?
[21:10] <cyberanger> there was little that one machine did, /mirror and /etc were about all that was tweaked from stock
[21:10] <cyberanger> apache and ssh added
[21:10] <cyberanger> that is true, if you keep using the same destnation or don't back that up
[21:11] <cyberanger> once rsync got the data off the mirror, we could tarball it, we did tarball /boot and /etc for sure
[21:11] <cyberanger>  /home was pretty useless in this case
[21:12] <cyberanger> thing about the mirror, only the most recent data was worth anything
[21:13] <kd4zay> i have a hylafax server / a mailarchiva box / snort / and a few others that im trying to come up with a way to manage all the backups for all or anyone but be able to do baremetal recovery
[21:13] <cyberanger> so "rsync -avPe ssh exampleuser@exampledomain:/mirror /backup/mirror1 && cp /backup/mirror1 /backup/mirror2"
[21:15] <cyberanger> then we allways have a fairly recent bit of /mirror, and if that had an issue, it'd be on one of two sets, if both sets failed, a bigger issue just happened
[21:15] <cyberanger> and since there are no donations, no backers, besides my wallet
[21:15] <cyberanger> this isn't corprate, that's what I gotta settle for
[21:16] <kd4zay> sure that could work with a automated script that could create x amount backups or just a daily cron for each day of the week
[21:16] <cyberanger> yep, and toss in something checking sha256sums
[21:16] <cyberanger> make sure the backups are good
[21:17] <cyberanger> now, there is other options, but for a true snapshot, you've gotta stop read and write access
[21:18] <kd4zay> the only issue i see would be any database being open of course you can just stop mysql before the backups
[21:19] <cyberanger> yeah, and anything reading the database has downtime too
[21:23] <kd4zay> so if i was doing a bare metal restore , i would need to create the partitions, restore the backup and use grub to install the mbr back ?
[21:24] <kd4zay> cause really thats what i am looking for is a way to recover from a full failure at any point with a week
[21:27] <cyberanger> yeah, that would work
[21:27] <Juzzy> for big deployments I use arkeia (commercial) b/c it has point in time, etc
[21:27] <cyberanger> xfs has some nifty utilities that might be better
[21:27] <Juzzy> its cheap, and has wicked nice .deb support
[21:28] <cyberanger> for going from nearest backup to new box
[21:29] <cyberanger> I've gotten used to doing by hand in under an hour (less with the backup box already setup from one backup, then it's just an update)
[21:36] <kd4zay> the company here uses symantec back exec system recover which take snapshot through out the day, very expense! now i would not need that for the nixs but I will need to come up with a process
[21:37] <kd4zay> cyberanger: your solution seem like a valid one
[21:38] <kd4zay> arkeia has a free linux version !
[21:45] <kd4zay> but only supports 2 server 8p
[21:54] <Juzzy> hehe
[21:55] <Juzzy> there's always bakula
[22:23] <kd4zay> bakula ? i havent looked at that yet