[00:48] eMyller: Dropped a bad patch you won't care about unless you're either using the new Ubuntu touch stuff or a wacom tablet. [00:48] eMyller: The PPA breaks the former and fixes the latter. [00:52] ScottK: i added the repo to my sources [00:52] was too lazy to get the ntrack packages only [00:53] ScottK: and HELL IT WORKS [00:53] :) [03:44] Unless you care about touch stuff the PPA Qt packages are just fine. [03:49] ScottK: my netbook's screen gets smudged when I touch it, but np at all. [03:50] :-) [03:51] ok, now my natty is almost perfect [03:52] i just need to make the gpu stuff smoother :\ [03:52] (intel) [03:56] For me Intel on Natty is way better than it was on Maverick. [03:56] Still not perfect, but way better. [03:56] maverick was very smoother [03:56] Hi [03:56] blur worked beautifully [03:56] * even blur [03:57] I'm a kubuntu user from Chima [03:57] hi, fei [03:57] China [03:57] Hello fei. Welcome. [03:57] eMyller: Which Intel? [03:57] ScottK: what driver are you using? [03:57] I have something in trouble,could you help me? [03:58] fei: For help, you should try #kubuntu. [03:58] eMyller: Whatever is default for Intel. It's mostly i945. [03:58] I have try,but they tell me to come here [03:58] OK. What's the problem. [03:58] No promises, but I'll at least listen to the problem. [03:58] when I resize the konsole window, the system crashed [03:59] thank you [03:59] eMyller: Blur and some effects are slower, but that's Kwin changes in 4.6, not Intel. [03:59] fei: Did the Dr. Konqi crash reporting tool start up after it crashed? [03:59] no [04:00] the system no respon [04:00] I have to reboot [04:00] It crashes and the system doesn't respond at all? [04:00] ye [04:00] wow [04:00] ScottK: mine is a N10 gpu [04:01] Oh. I don't have any of those. [04:01] nvidia gpu [04:01] fei: Does the screen go black? What exactly happens? [04:01] I have installed nvidia driver [04:01] not go black [04:02] it was horribly unusable (really) with default natty drivers; i had to install xorg-edgers'. [04:02] now i have a burning cpu (not the gpu one!) [04:02] Sounds like either an nvidia or X problem, not strictly KDE then fei. [04:02] o [04:02] fei: I hate to redirect you again, but in #ubuntu-x they can probably help you better. [04:03] fei: try to remove you kwin and konsole settings [04:03] ok,thank you [04:03] I will try [04:03] I don't know anything about using nvidia myself, so I can't help further. [04:03] fei: rm ~/.kde/share/config/{konsolerc,kwinrc} [04:03] That does sound like it's worth a try. [04:04] ok,thank you [04:04] hi, im unable to get iphone4 to mount in 11.04, all i can get is the camera. any idea? [04:04] fei: then do a hard logout and try again [04:04] multipass: Ask in #ubuntu as it's not likely Kubuntu specific. [04:04] ok [04:04] ScottK: indeed, the #kubuntu channel lacks of good support. :S [04:05] Well we need more people who know what they are doing to help then. [04:05] its kubuntu specific, im able to get iphone4 working in ubuntu 10.10, and in 11.04, it works out of the box, ScottK [04:05] Odd. [04:05] lol [04:05] Then #kubuntu. [04:05] * ScottK has no iPhone of any kind, so can't help with that one. [04:06] multipass: just out of curiosity, do a sudo fdisk -l and see if anything there matches your iphone storage [04:07] ScottK: it seems they're redirecting to here. :P [04:07] Which is what happens from time to time. [04:07] My usual response is "That doesn't make this the support channel", but I felt briefly generous tonight. [04:08] linux could always use more support to gain more users [04:08] hmm, nothing [04:09] asobi: ##linux is awesome [04:09] just my 3 harddrives [04:09] the problem are the distros spread support [04:09] multipass: ok, so that is definitely kde-specific; there's something odd happening. [04:09] The next place to look is /dev. Look at it with and without the iPhone plugged in and see if the list changes. [04:10] You can use that to find the device name. [04:10] right. more support in general across all distros [04:10] It would also help if it sucked less. [04:10] ScottK: is it too hard to downgrade to mav? [04:10] well, gentoo or arch users probably don't need support ~_~ [04:11] dantti_: Downgrading is not supported. [04:11] dantti_: why are you willing to do it? [04:11] ScottK: yes, taht what I thought, but natty x, nvidia, kernel... something is killing me [04:11] It's not supported in Debian type distros and it's not supported by KDE, so you're out on all counts. [04:12] You can possibly install the maverick kernel and run that. [04:12] or my gpu got broken :P [04:12] if I maximize my konsole it freezes now and I have to reboot :P [04:13] not counting the when the screen get completely corrupted... but pc still responds [04:13] dantti_: That sounds similar to the problem fei is having. [04:14] You might see what's up in #ubuntu-x as well. [04:14] ScottK: yes... I bet on nvidia drivers but.. [04:14] There is no but. You had me at nVidia. [04:14] anyways thanks.. [04:14] Sorry I don't have a better answer. [04:15] that's fine, it's just that it's upsetting to work with these problems ... [04:16] dantti_: there are always workarounds [04:16] is it possible kubuntu doesnt ship with the libs? [04:16] life wouldn't be beautiful it it wasn't difficult lol [04:16] maco: what libs? [04:16] emy the philosopher^^ [04:17] hehe [04:18] eMyller: like? (I was thinking on trying to use mav nvidia driver... but I'm not sure if that would work... [04:18] dantti_: i think it's worth a try [04:18] usbmuxd and ifuse? [04:18] anyway i can't give you a straightforward answer because i don't have a nvidia gpu. unfortunately. [04:19] maye open source nivedia will be ok [04:19] driver === yofel_ is now known as yofel [09:43] Hi guys. I did the packaging for kontact 4.6 rc1 and uploaded it to staging. [11:22] https://code.launchpad.net/~bulldog98/kdepim-runtime/ubuntu-4.6/+merge/60387 [11:22] https://code.launchpad.net/~bulldog98/kdepim/ubuntu-4.6/+merge/61530 [12:47] apachelogger: ping [12:53] I think today is the day when tarballs for kde sc 4.7 should be released. What is the time? [13:05] When they are ready. [13:10] rbelem: pong [13:19] apachelogger: do you think we should send the tablet list to ubuntu-devel or directly to ogra, rsalveti? [13:31] * ScottK recommends handling it privately. [13:40] ScottK: Is the kdepim 46 doesn't build against kdelibs47 thing still an issue? trueg hasn't fixed it, and I need to decide whether I need to just revert his patches [13:41] steveire: I think it's an upstream question, but I also think Thiago's "If you're going to do that call it KDE 5.0" response is germane. [13:42] Me too === ximion1 is now known as ximion === makl is now known as ximion === apachelogger changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Merges: https://merges.ubuntu.com/main.html | TODO: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo | Council elections: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2011-May/005170.html [14:35] 'morning fellas === makl is now known as ximion [14:56] \o === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan [14:56] SO FREAKIN HOT [14:57] Quintasan: come to here and meet true hotness [14:58] eMyller: more than 30*C celsius? [14:58] hahaah [14:58] yes. [14:58] sup, 32 in here [14:58] kinda that in here too [14:59] but that's what the meters say. there is also the polution dome to make things worse. [15:17] * yofel watches the tunderstorm outside [15:18] 23°C [15:22] we have rain here.... [15:32] JontheEchidna: hey dude. Do you need help in Muon SC UI improvements? [15:36] HAHAHAHA [15:36] Quintasan: it's flipping 45oC here [15:37] on the good days it comes down to 30ocC [15:40] rather warm in austria [15:40] dang, no jr [15:41] * apachelogger ponders whether '''D-Bus method call failed: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name com.redhat.NewPrinterNotification was not provided by any .service files''' is ubuntu specific [15:42] com.redhat ... that doesn't sound too good [15:42] system-config-printer whatever it is called implements that [15:42] apachelogger: oh did you get my message ? [15:42] as redhat originally worte that plunder and it never ended up on fdo [15:42] hehe [15:42] shadeslayer: can you plz fix kamoso to not build depend on liblvc-dev [15:42] apachelogger: the one about OMAP4 [15:43] apachelogger: will have a go at it tonight maybe [15:43] isnt it tonight already? [15:43] no message about omap4 [15:43] [01:10:29] apachelogger: Question: What do we wish to accomplish by supporting Kubuntu on OMAP4? i'm still trying to figure out what OMAP4 offers over OMAP3 [15:44] I am not targeting omap4 [15:44] you are [15:44] so you should actually know what you want to accomplish [15:44] as I mentioned the other day there are only 2 or 3 consumer devices on the market with omap4 [15:44] yeah ^^ [15:45] apachelogger: but what does OMAP4 offer better than OMAP3? [15:45] ask wikipedia [15:46] i can't find a satisfactory answer to that [15:46] tried [15:46] OMAP4430 and OMAP4440 use dual-core ARM Cortex-A9, a PowerVR SGX540 integrated 3D graphics accelerator which runs at a clock frequency of 300 MHz compared to previous incarnations of SGX540 typically at 200 MHz making it theoretically 50% faster, and an IVA3 multimedia hardware accelerator with a programmable DSP that enables 1080p Full HD and multi-standard video encode/decode.[6][7][8][9][10][11] OMAP 4 will use ARM-Cortex A9s with ARMs [15:46] SIMD engine (Media Processing Engine, aka NEON) which may have a significant performance advantage in some cases over Nvidia Tegra 2s Cortex-A9s with non-vector floating point units.[12] It also uses a dual-channel LPDDR2 memory controller compared to Nvidia Tegra 2s single-channel memory controller. [15:46] yes i saw that [15:46] i was coming to the point about video cards [15:47] from what i've learnt most of the optimizations would go into the compiler itself [15:47] gcc in this case [15:48] apachelogger: how well does Kubuntu Mobile run on OMAP3 ? [15:51] it starts [15:52] are the branches in ~kubuntu-members still in use? they seems private to all members and so don't reflect uploader rights [15:53] didrocks: kubuntu-packagers is the latest and greatest [15:53] didrocks: they're in kubuntu-packagers now, which is -members and ubuntu-core-dev [15:53] need to update some vcs-bzr then ;) [15:53] thanks! [15:53] yofel: are there still branches in kubuntu-members? [15:54] not that I know of, but the Vcs- links in the packages probably still point there (where it wasn't updated yet) [15:54] ah [16:05] apachelogger: is it usable? [16:06] shadeslayer: define usable [16:07] rbelem: do we have some hi quality photo/video of kubuntu mobile on n900? [16:07] apachelogger: can i play a movie on it? can i browse the web? can i make a phone call via the N900 [16:07] +/ [16:07] * apachelogger only has shitty cams except for the one on the n900 itself... ;) [16:07] erm [16:07] hehe [16:07] shadeslayer: no [16:07] as it is a tech previe [16:07] w [16:07] no to all of the above? [16:07] you could browse the web [16:08] okay so WiFi works, but video is shot? [16:08] but seeing as our web browser likes to render in the cpu right now, it would not be much pleasure I assume [16:08] plus the whole thing is not finger proof anyway ^^ [16:08] hmm ... okay ... make Kubuntu usable on OMAP* [16:08] or lets say ARM [16:09] much more fancy :P [16:09] you better be reading documentation on arm and omap before saying things like that [16:09] apachelogger: yeah thats what i do in my free time these days [16:09] also trying to rope in a prof who can help me out there [16:10] apachelogger, hum i think we dont have [16:11] rbelem: do you have a setup right now? + a sensible cam [16:12] apachelogger, i dont have a ready setuo, but i can setup in some min [16:12] only if you have time :) [16:12] not that urgent [16:12] apachelogger, i forgot to give you the class 10 microsd :-( [16:12] apachelogger, cool :-) i will do that in my lunch time [16:14] rbelem: the alternative to class 10 microsd is making ofono work and replace maemo on the HD with kubuntu mobile ^^ [16:14] that said, do you actually know if that is easily possible + would you be able to restore maemo [16:18] folks i still need more SoK mentors/projects - if anyone is up for that pretty please let me know - i have way more students than i can currently match with mentors [16:20] harald!!!! apachelogger!!! http://is.gd/swWjo6 [16:20] :D [16:21] is it ofono for n900? [16:21] jussi: WTF is it green [16:21] because of the grass unicorns eat... [16:21] :P [16:22] that sounds silly [16:22] LOL [16:23] apachelogger, yup... a cold flash [16:29] http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/kcm-grub2 [16:29] new version packaged [16:33] apachelogger: make it pink then [16:33] sheytan: did you have any particular changes in mind? [16:33] JontheEchidna a lot of ;) [16:34] bulldog98: ;) [16:34] er [16:34] sheytan: ;) [16:34] first of all i would love to see something like a start page. [16:34] b is not even next to s O-o [16:34] * Quintasan silently pokes agateau [16:34] UI specialist! [16:35] JontheEchidna, I will make some mocks when i come back home ;) [16:35] sheytan: btw, there is interest in a Muon Mobile. It's pretty much a clean slate [16:35] MOBILEZ?! [16:35] cool [16:36] JontheEchidna, well, that would be next step for me. First I want to concentrate on Muon of kubuntu (couse you kick off kpk) which is kinda sed :( [16:36] i liked kpk [16:37] but if we can do Muon a cooler one, then i'm with your decision [16:37] rbelem: that sounds scary ^^ [16:37] brb rebootin' [16:38] bulldog98: kcm-grub2 0.5.0 is already in the archive [16:41] Quintasan: what should I look at? [16:42] :-O [16:42] agateau: well, sheytan wants to propose some changes to Muon and if we want to have Muon by default then it HAS to have sensible UI, doesn't it? [16:43] Quintasan: agreed, I was just wondering if there was some existing ui I should look at (couldn't find anything reading the backlog) [16:44] sheytan or jtechidna: poking agateau and showing him mockup (if you agree to change something) would be a good idea IMO [16:48] debfx: ah ok === jtechidna is now known as JontheEchidna [16:49] oh, aurelien. hi :) [16:49] JontheEchidna: hi! [16:49] JontheEchidna: are you planing to upload libqapt to debian? [16:49] kdepim 4.6 should build with kdelibs master again (Though I haven't tried it yet) http://bugs.kde.org/268595 [16:50] agateau: I made a lot of the changes to Muon Package Manager: http://i.imgur.com/88DHt.png [16:50] KDE bug 268595 in general "KDEPIM fails to compile after recent Ontologies change" [Major,Resolved: fixed] [16:50] I haven't gotten around to the software center changes yet [16:50] steveire: I got it build with 4.6 [16:50] JontheEchidna: much nicer! [16:50] +1 [16:51] JontheEchidna: great to see you manage to reduce the top part of the details tab to one line [16:51] I still find the filter widget horrible ^^ [16:51] bulldog98: somebody has put packages for libqapt in mentors.debian.org, but they seem to be stuck there. I've been pondering maintaining it myself, but I'll have to set up a virtualbox for debian or something first [16:51] maybe one of these days KDE might grow a good one :S [16:51] JontheEchidna: use pbuilder magic [16:51] that works [16:51] JontheEchidna: ^ [16:51] agateu Quintasan JontheEchidna will do some mocks today propalby ;) [16:52] to maintain it in debian I'd have to actually check to make sure the packages work [16:52] JontheEchidna: isn't it possible to move the "Reinstallation" button in the "Mark for:" combo box? [16:52] JontheEchidna: and you have just to maintain it in Debian only [16:52] :P [16:53] agateau: That's not a combobox. It's a sub-menu for different types of removal [16:53] remove vs purge [16:53] (definitely not something I'd expose in the software center as an option) ;-) [16:53] you could use a setting to set that [16:54] and a right click to use the other option [16:54] http://i.imgur.com/3FEOM.png [16:54] JontheEchidna: I see [16:55] JontheEchidna: i pushed a season of kde student to you - did you find time to reply to him? [16:55] I don't think I've heard from him... [16:56] I'll feel really bad if this was a while back :( [16:56] JontheEchidna: it was ;-) - it should have been in an email from me i think [16:56] would be nice if you could check [16:58] JontheEchidna: still it feels weird that one button has a submenu and the other does not... mmm... one could just provide 3 buttons, but that could be a bit overkill... need to think about it [17:02] brb, mother having computer problems [17:06] back [17:06] Nightrose: ah, two weeks ago. That was finals week ;-) [17:07] JontheEchidna: heh np - would be nice if you could get back to him - really having problems matching the students up - i have over 90 now for SoK and 51 for gsoc [17:07] slightly more than my mentor pool :D [17:07] heh [17:08] It sounds like he wants to get in to documentation? [17:08] might be - not entirely sure [17:09] Nightrose: looks like everyone who applied for GSoC and did not get selected applied for SoK :D [17:09] shadeslayer: actually also a lot of those who didn't [17:09] I don't think there's really a technical solution for that. Identifying when or why a piece of hardware isn't working isn't easy. (In most cases the computer itself is oblivious that it is not working). Improving documentation to include tips on how to deal with that would be best [17:09] JontheEchidna: can you maybe reply with that? [17:09] yeah [17:15] Nightrose: sent [17:16] JontheEchidna: thx! [17:16] I referred him to our docs guys, hope he can handle a bit of runaround :P [17:17] heh yeah [18:10] evening [18:40] note: I'm off sick till tomorrow, c [18:40] *cu :( [18:57] JontheEchidna: what do we think of a library that adds pure virtual functions without soversion bump? [18:58] that would change the vtable, would it not? [18:58] not abi compatible, I don't think [18:58] yes, that is if there is a vtable to begin with [18:58] * apachelogger finds the horriblyness at lower level much worse [18:59] kde wiki says that abi should be ok if there was already a vtable [18:59] but not ok if there wasn't one already [18:59] appA builds with libB.so.0.0, does not with libB.so.0.0 :D [18:59] I mean [18:59] srsly [18:59] and this class can't have any subclasses [19:00] JontheEchidna: actually not [19:01] you can reimpl a virtual function of a base in a leaf [19:01] there is a bug or a detailed description about "Fix dolphin file property preview tab" ? [19:03] JontheEchidna: if you add a new virtual function to the vtable, the table changes [19:03] (I am working on userconfig but I can help for other tasks ;) ) [19:03] meaning table lookups of leaf classes (assuming leaf classes are not privately contained within the own source) will fail [19:05] JontheEchidna: basically whenever you release a class with virtual functions you are stuck with those virtuals until you break ABI, as any change to the functions can potentially change the vtable thus breaking ABI [19:05] "just don't touch that shit; it'll probably break" [19:05] aye [19:05] anyhow [19:06] even if I were to accept the fact that it breaks binary compatibility [19:06] *pure* virtual also breaks source compatibility [19:06] gives me a stroke just thinking about that [19:08] virtual ~HAsyncOp() = 0; [19:08] * apachelogger giggles [19:09] so it would seem the class is pure virtual because the API consumer is supposed to implement refcounting [19:09] a very interesting design choice right there [19:09] that sounds like something that should never be left to the consumer to do [19:10] assuming the author is no moron he must have had a reason for this [19:13] HAsyncOpPrivate* h_ptr; [19:14] I wonder what the pimpl in the private class is called [19:15] HClientAction* q_ptr; [19:15] ok [19:15] wtf [19:16] that does not make any sense [19:16] JontheEchidna: guess what the visible ptr of the private class is called [19:16] it is not d_ptr btw ;) [19:17] q_ptr [19:17] no [19:17] oh, that's how you get back out to the public class from the private class [19:18] yeah, I mean the other way around ... public to private === mgraesslin__ is now known as mgraesslin [19:18] d_ptr [19:18] no [19:18] in sane apis [19:18] JontheEchidna: HAsyncOpPrivate* h_ptr; [19:18] lol [19:18] :D :D :D [19:18] that is how you know someone did not quite understand the meaning of why d and why q ^^ [19:19] I mean [19:19] if you call public ot private h, then at least call private to public micro ^^ [19:19] HClientAction* μ_ptr; [19:19] ^^ [19:19] lol [19:19] :D :D :D [19:19] does the c standard allow that? [19:19] prolly not [19:19] and do compilers support that, is the real question [19:20] lol [19:20] which is why you do not choose h as pimpl name :P [19:21] http://paste.kde.org/72787/ [19:21] this is also cool [19:21] "we are public, and we have a function invokethemaster, and remember we are still public, and we have a qba.... oh and did I mention we are public?, yeah, we also have dtor and ctor" [19:22] * apachelogger considers code too similar to prn to find this code there enjoyable [19:23] argh, will is not around [19:23] * apachelogger wanted to do some upnp enablement [19:42] JontheEchidna: hey, does Muon SC have an option for updating packages? [19:42] i didin't see any :| [19:44] JontheEchidna: the worst thing about it now, is the left panel with software sources [19:47] sheytan: did I show you th banner I created? [19:48] http://people.ubuntu.com/~david.wonderly/Graphics/Oneiric/ [19:48] DarkwingDuck nope [19:48] prietty simple and nice :) [19:49] nice [19:49] sheytan: You do graphics for Kubuntu aye? [19:49] DarkwingDuck: yep [19:50] sheytan: We need ot get together then. :) I'm leaning inkscape quickly and want to continue that. [19:51] DarkwingDuck: help is always welcome :) [19:51] i'm working on muon SC mockup now [19:51] if we want a software center we have to do it right [19:51] Okay good. Mimicing the website? [19:52] DarkwingDuck: what's mimicing? :D [19:53] mirror the look. [19:53] Thanks Quintasan [19:53] DarkwingDuck: do you want me to show the website to ya? [19:54] sheytan: Sure! [19:55] DarkwingDuck: sec [19:55] i even can show you what's already done live :D [19:55] :D [19:55] sheytan: you going to be online tomorrow? [19:56] Or, in 5 or 6 hours? [19:56] DarkwingDuck: i'm generally online between 20:00 and 00:00 poland time [19:56] DarkwingDuck: http://staging.kubuntu.violetech.org/ [19:56] please don't publish this link anywhere else :) [19:57] o.O [19:57] sheytan: we are def going to start working together. [19:57] BRB [19:57] Need to make a phone call [19:58] DarkwingDuck: what we need now is a web dev, that can finish the page. Mine doesn't have time :( [20:05] oh god [20:05] we seriously have Ballmer's Peak on TODO [20:05] :DDD [20:06] Did you forget to mark the spec "Implemented"? [20:07] no idea [20:07] We should change that [20:07]