[00:07] in case someone cares or will be reading through the logs... I found the solution to the slow lookup in wget/browsers: it has to do with the wins server configuration in /etc/nsswitch.conf - wins needs to be moved to the end of the hosts lookup lists (instead of before dns). Reports say this may screw with samba automounts, but that's a less pertinent issue for me and I'll deal with it some other time. For everyone blaming ipv6 [00:07] configurations - know that there is another cause that should be checked :-) [00:07] tsimpson: ^^ (and thanks) [00:19] anyone else having issues with rekonq's stability? === DevCore_ is now known as Guest90103 === ryan_ is now known as madapiarist [00:52] does anyone here make their own splash screens, plasma themes,, etc or know a place i can go to start learning how? [00:53] Magnusson: played about with some splahs screens, best way is to download some form kde-look.org and start experimenting [00:54] that's what i was afraid of =\. not that great at reading complex code. was trying to convert a kdm 3 splash screen to use in kdm 4 [00:55] http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/Ksplash+theme+generator?content=104456 http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/KSplasher+Splash+Screen+Editor?content=86463 might help [00:57] hello? [00:57] Hi pete_ [00:57] i saw the first link last night, but the 2nd one looks promising, thanks James147 :) [00:58] hi james, i have no idea what i am doing here, how do i create a name that i can use properly? [00:58] pete_>if you're just wanting to change your nickname use /nick (new desired name) [00:59] where do i use that command? === pete_ is now known as peatie [01:00] oh i see i am now peatie [01:00] heh [01:00] thanks Magnusson [01:00] sure np :) [01:00] evenin Magnusson [01:01] hey preecher [01:01] how's it goin [01:01] good [01:02] i was thinking i had to join the channel irc.freenode.net to get on chat for advice, does anyone know any applications that I can get similar to hyperterminal in windows? [01:04] peatie>what're you wanting to do exactly? [01:04] i remember using hyperterminal years ago but forgot what for [01:04] Console to my cisco router, so I can fiddle with it [01:04] try putty [01:05] Magnusson>I've only got one network interface on this PC at the mo [01:06] peatie>http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/ check it out and see if that'll serve your needs [01:06] I'd think that the router would support telnet or ssh [01:06] this (linux) is all very new to me [01:07] peatie>heh yep, me too. i've recently come back to linux myself [01:07] peatie: minicom is what you want [01:08] yeah, I can't telnet to my cisco when I'm using the only eth port available to chat unfortunately [01:08] minicom eh? [01:08] Why can't you telnet to it? [01:09] Seems weird that you can't have a telnet connection to it over the same wire as everything else [01:09] dragnslcr> because my internet connection is to a different router [01:10] the serial console is cooler :D [01:10] Heh, I'll take your word for it [01:10] gomiboy> i feel safer with the console [01:12] http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Serial-HOWTO.html might be a good starting point [01:13] Though that's probably for raw communication over the serial port [01:14] Magnusson: what do you want w/ PuTTY on Linux? isn't that 100% redundant? [01:15] szal>to my understanding he was wanting something to use on windows 0.o [01:15] Magnusson: then you understood wrongly [01:15] fair nuff [01:15] apart from that that'd be OT here ^^ [01:16] thanks, that looks like some good info, but i'm just after an application that will let me get to the router for now. I've used hyperterminal a fair bit, just after a linux equivalent [01:22] so anyway, I haven't registerd or anything, so if I close this window, will I lose the name peatie? and if so how do I register? AND will i be able to get on other thingmajigs (channels?) with that username? [01:23] sorry I didn't mean to use the term "window" [01:24] peatie: don't worry, peatie isn't a particularly appealing name :D [01:25] * gomiboy isn't registered anyway :) [01:26] I dunno, wasn't he the artist in the Charlie Braown comics? [01:26] got an easy one [01:27] !register [01:27] Information about registering your nickname: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat/Registration - Type « /nick » to select your nickname. Registration help available by typing /join #freenode [01:27] James147>the ksplasherX app worked great , thanks again :) [01:27] got an easy one [01:27] !repeat | dbc254 [01:27] dbc254: Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. You can search https://help.ubuntu.com/ http://www.ubuntuforums.org/ or http://www.kubuntuforums.net/ while you wait. [01:27] how do you create a new icon in 10.10 [01:28] Kubuntu 10.04...I have four workspaces ...I want to add different wallpaper to each one...Need url with instructions ? [01:28] hey [01:28] how can i fix the height for the tray icons? [01:28] moes>you can do it but you'll have to add seperate widgets for each desktop [01:29] i really want my panel thinner than normal, but the icons are all unaligned or oversized [01:29] what KDE version is in 10.04? 4.4.x? was that possible already there? [01:29] in 9.01 I could just right click on the desktop and create a new icon. Can't do that in 10.10 [01:32] Magnusson, Is the cheat sheet somewhere's...the one I found does not work [01:34] moes>right click the desktop pager [01:34] pager settings->virtual desktops [01:34] omg [01:36] exit === scott__ is now known as ScottyK [01:46] Im having the most annoying thing happen with my focus policy at the moment. For some reason, the focus policy is causing the window's to raise, which is difficult when I have some things maximized and some at smaller screens. how do I make it so the focus follows the mouse, but doesn't raise the windows? [01:50] I fixed it, nevermind. I kept monkeying around with it, and got it. Thanks anyways [02:06] hello [02:06] hallo [02:12] hello again [02:13] hi] [02:17] hey hey === RKyle_ is now known as RKyle [02:44] Hello everyone! anyone knows how can i enable subpixel hinting for the fonts? [02:51] :o [02:52] o:? [02:55] anyone knows where can i change the font hinting? (my fonts look horrible) [02:56] You can go to 'system settings -> Application Appearance -> Fonts[tab]' and see what can be done from there [02:57] Linkmaster: thanks [02:57] Did it help? [02:58] Linkmaster: i just enabled Anti-alising [02:59] but no changes, i think i have to restart X [02:59] brb to try [03:01] Linkmaster: am back, and no, still ugly haha [03:01] Huh..I wouldn't know then, my apologies Dx [03:02] Linkmaster: np, thanks al lot ;) [03:12] hmm i cant mount my iphone in 11.04 [03:12] any tips [03:15] all it says is camera [03:27] How can I find out what wireless driver I'm running? I know the chip is broadcom [03:27] Hello e'rbody! [03:29] ScottyK: lsmod [03:29] hi Animental [03:29] * Animental blinks [03:29] Hi! [03:29] Omigorsh :) [03:29] * Daskreech waves [03:29] hey :) [03:29] Hi,e'rbody [03:29] hi [03:30] I'm from China [03:30] fei: welcome [03:30] Hello, Fei! [03:30] hello [03:30] this is an english channel :) [03:30] I have something in trouble [03:30] Haha, English Channel. [03:30] what is it? [03:30] could you help me? [03:31] Daskreech - Thanks! [03:31] We don't know un;ess you tell us :) [03:31] unless [03:31] He's running from the police. [03:32] I think that's definitely what he met. [03:32] meant. [03:32] Animental: don't be mean :) [03:32] everytime I resize the konsole window, the system crashed [03:32] fei: nvidia video card? [03:33] yes [03:33] turn off transparency [03:33] or the desktop effects [03:33] ok,but how? [03:34] try alt+shift+F12 [03:34] Hi, how can I get my ubuntu to be as idle as possible? [03:34] Im trying to see how low my cpu temp drops... [03:34] thank you very much [03:35] mediawork: don't touch it and leave it in front of MTV [03:35] He could turn off X. Run it command line only. [03:36] AND THEN set it in front of MTV. [03:37] anyways, is 38 deg C a low idle temp for a cpu? [03:37] fei: if you want just transparency gone you can turn it off under Desktop effects [03:37] ok,thank you [03:37] mediawork: not low but below normal [03:37] how does MTV help? the TV station? [03:37] I just try [03:38] mediawork: it makes whoever watches it an idler [03:38] Yeah, Dask was jokin'. [03:38] * Animental raises his hand. He has a n00b question. [03:38] * Daskreech has n00b answers [03:39] * Animental updated his...holy smokes, he just realized he was in the wrong channel. [03:39] jeez, Ive got 4 cores and all of them are fluctuating between 2 - 10% load, and nothing is running... [03:40] * Animental waves goobye. [03:40] mediawork: your computer is on [03:40] something is running [03:41] * Daskreech has n00b answers <--- liesssssss [03:41] Daskreech: right, just seems a bit busy doing some flops of rubbish I dont care about I think [03:41] Daskreech: I wish it didn't... Is ubuntu busy solving some math problems while Im not around? [03:42] Okay, so, the #xubuntu room is very quiet. They just stared at me. [03:42] * Daskreech stares [03:42] :o Not you, too! [03:42] mediawork: most likely [03:42] maybe your computer just come to crazy ,^_^ [03:43] what would you like it to do? [03:43] ? [03:43] not you fei i was asking mediawork [03:44] o [03:44] k [03:44] I like this channle [03:44] yes much better than MTV ^_^ [03:45] hi dask [03:45] Daskreech: Cant ubuntu be a bit concervative on cpu-power, when all it has to do is hold that thought... wait for me to ask it to do something... [03:45] I don't know...Jersey Shore's pretty awesome... Quick question: just updated my server running Xubuntu with some recent updates (still 11.04) and I can no longer connect to it using it's hostname, just IP addy. Wha happen? [03:45] anyone know how to mount a iphone4 in kubuntu 11.04? [03:45] Daskreech: I mean average 5 percent of all 4x 3.6GHz cores is pretty damn much dont you think, mind you what does Ubuntu do with a single core machine? [03:45] hi asobi [03:47] single core machine would then be 20 percent busy when Idle... [03:47] and on a weaker processor, it might be 50 percent busy doing nothing... [03:48] I turned off all desktop effects, the busyness seems to have dropped a bit, and my cpu cooled down a degree. [03:49] mediawork: No it wouldn't Linux would scale back [03:49] if you put in 64 cores it would scale up [03:49] !iphone [03:49] For information on how to sync and add tracks to your iPod, see the guide at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IPodHowto - For the iPhone and the iPod Touch, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PortableDevices/iPhone - See !RockBox for information on liberating your iPod [03:49] multipass: ^^^ [03:49] Daskreech: lol, yes, Linux would scale back on wasting time with your cpu. [03:49] mediawork: well it does have work to do [03:49] * Animental has a single-core PIII in his server. Idles just fine. [03:50] The way the kernel does things is that anytime a user is doing something it basically stops all of it's own work [03:50] when the user goes idle then it returns to doing it's jobs [03:50] so when you go idle for a little bit you'll see a bit of a spike in work getting done [03:51] Daskreech: right, I suppose it could be checking my filesystem integrity ... [03:51] my system crashed again when I try to resize the konsole window [03:51] mediawork: right and indexing files. cleaning dead processes and files doing chronological checks dumping old log files [03:51] Daskreech: but, there can be too much of a good thing, maybe this scaling isn't making much sense with these new multi-core machines. [03:52] mediawork: it just gets the work done faster then it goes back to idle [03:52] the steps that work in ubuntu dont work in kubuntu, Daskreech [03:52] Daskreech: maybe I can control this aspect of the kernel? [03:52] :| [03:52] ubuntu 11.04 iphone works out of the box [03:52] kubuntu is nogo [03:52] mediawork: A lot of it might have to do with GUI and network checks you can kill the gui and network if you like [03:53] multipass: ask in #ubuntu how it works then [03:53] multipass: or you can check in #kubuntu-devel [03:53] but im on kubuntu [03:53] so they will be like [03:53] we dont support kubuntu here [03:53] multipass: well they are meanines then. We are all part of the linux family [03:54] multipass: ask in #kubuntu-devel [03:54] mediawork: I suppose it is too much to point out that if you want to use less power turning off the computer might be a good idea> [03:56] mediawork: I never thought of turning of a linux machine [03:56] Daskreech: I mean. [04:02] fei: did you turn off the effects? [04:05] Wow [04:05] Hibernate works :) [04:14] recorditnow is not recording sound? any idea how? [04:17] So, how do I connect to my server using it's hostname and not it's IP addy? [04:17] Animental: you may get the best answer for that in ##linux :) [04:18] * Animental nods [04:18] Thanks, I'll ask there! [04:18] Animental: if you know the ip addy then use it. otherwise you need a dns lookup to translate hostname to ip [04:19] and a lot faster [04:19] kubu: The strange thing is is that it worked not hours ago. After an update, which included smb updates, it just stopped. [04:20] Animental: can you ping it? [04:20] * Animental checks [04:21] Animental: is your dnswhatever service running also? [04:22] I'm not running a DNS service...I just want to connect to it on my LAN. [04:22] And I can't ping the hostname. It's IP, though, pings just dandy. [04:26] that's what dns for- translate names to ip addy. you need to tell everyone hostname is ip addrs [04:28] Well, the router handles that, I thought. Is there any reason (after this update) that my server would no longer be telling everyone it's hostname? When I gave it a host name when I set everything up, the router picked it up immediately. [04:29] where do I report bugs? [04:47] I know its possible to download system fonts, but how do you do it? I want to install 'Helvetica' as my font. Any suggestions/help? [05:15] hi, im unable to get into grub to launch ubuntu, kubuntu just starts up auto [05:17] how do i add ability to select? [05:55] multipass: Ubuntu and Kubuntu are the same except for the desktop environment they [05:55] use, so you can have both installed at the same time. No need to dual boot [06:23] Does anyone know of any good screen recorders that also record sound from the computer? And preferably doesn't bog down a slower computer. I know that Camtasia works in windows, but that has a lot of bloat, and I'm looking for something that does the same thing, but is lighter. any suggestions? [06:30] kmail copy/paste is strange... copied contents contains xml... how can I set this action that just contains plain text? [06:44] anyone here know of a screen recorder that grabs sound as well? === ward is now known as Guest93271 === Guest93271 is now known as edwardus === RUAN is now known as Guest27895 === Guest27895 is now known as SLRUAN [08:01] anyone know of something I can record the desktop sound with? I have a screen recorder already, I just need to record sound now === yofel_ is now known as yofel [08:26] /list [08:26] /list [08:29] hi [08:45] hi [08:45] do you know if it is possible to put an icon of konqueror in file manager mode in the quick launch area? [08:46] I tried like crazy but I cannot === ocs is now known as beagleOCS [08:57] alesan: just add a link to "konqueror --profile filemanagement" [08:58] tsimpson, umh... ok for the command line option [08:58] but [08:58] how do I add a "custom" command to the quick launch? [08:58] I thought you had to select an icon already existing in the K menu [08:58] I'm really lost :( [08:59] there is a line above the list, you can just type it in there and it will create a new entry for you [08:59] you can then choose an icon etc [09:05] hey al [09:05] hi ya [09:05] i have installed a deb package and can see it with sudo dpkg -l | grep packagename.. status ii.. but i can't remove it with sudo apt-get remove packagename [09:05] i get: E: Unable to locate package nevernote [09:13] any idea? [09:16] uhh yeah.... dpkg -C [09:16] i think it checks for broken packages or something... can't remember [09:16] it checks for not fully installed packages [09:16] noaXess: see if "sudo dpkg -r packagename" works [09:17] tsimpson: hey.. no [09:17] yeah... apt-get can remove packages, but if you only want to remove 1 package I think dpkg would be a better fit [09:17] dpkg: warning: there's no installed package matching nevernote [09:17] then recheck the output of "dpkg -l" I guess [09:17] sudo dpkg -l | grep nevernote [09:17] ii nevernote:i386 0.99 An open source clone designed to interact with Evernote. [09:18] eh, that looks like the package name is "nevernote:i386" [09:18] which is evil btw [09:18] ah.. yes.. better.. nno it is uninstalled [09:19] strange package name.. will report that to the creater.. [09:20] tsimpson, that must be new... [09:21] it's just bad form [09:21] tsimpson, sorry I was referring to the line to type in a custom command when adding a quick launch icon [09:22] anyway I added the konqueror icon [09:22] ah, well I don't think it's new [09:22] well ok [09:22] now I must see if I can completely remove dolphin [09:22] I have KDE 4.5.3, so it can't be that new [09:23] sometimes it pops out again [09:23] you don't want to remove dolphin [09:23] and it would be so cool if non-kde apps could use the KDE file chooser when asked to save or load [09:23] dolphin _IS_ the file manager, konqueror only wraps dolphin in its window [09:23] instead of those crappy gtk ones [09:24] tsimpson, I do not care too much about the inner details I just want dolphin to go [09:24] it's dumb compared to konqueror [09:24] that doesn't make sense [09:24] konqueror _uses_ dolphin in file manager mode [09:24] in any case, I think years ago I found a way to let all applications use the KDE file chooser... do you have any idea? [09:24] it is dolphin [09:28] the only thing I've seen that makes apps use the KDE file choose is "kgtk", but it's a hack [10:12] Hi. I added: echo aaaaa > /home/ocs/foo.txt in rc.local. But the command is not executed after boot. why? [10:18] beagleOCS: is /home/ocs mounted at that stage? === DevCore is now known as Guest93200 === eggonleg1 is now known as eggonlegs === root is now known as Guest92240 [11:50] * gr8m8 is still known as gr8m8 === f3n1x is now known as F3N1X === RonnocCain is now known as ronnoc [12:14] hi, how can i reset an reconfigure alsa? i can't hear any sound no more [12:16] snikker: [12:17] Peace-: ? [12:17] snikker: ok you are there [12:17] snikker: do you know veromix? [12:17] Peace-: no [12:17] snikker: ok... click on the panel right button [12:17] add widgets [12:18] then download [12:18] then ... search for veromix [12:20] Peace-: ok, i've installed it [12:21] snikker: ok use that [12:21] Peace-: ok, now i try [12:23] Peace-: i've changed soundcard from veromix, but nothing to do [12:24] snikker: ok , lspci | grep -i audio [12:25] hi guys !!! [12:25] DoctorPepper: hi [12:25] is anyone here using the bespin widget style ? [12:26] DoctorPepper: i used [12:26] not everytime i have often used [12:26] +but i have.. [12:26] Peace-: 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 6 Series Chipset Family High Definition Audio Controller (rev 05) [12:26] snikker: 11.04 ? [12:27] snikker: i mean kubuntu 11.04? if youi don't know lsb_release -a [12:27] yes, i'm under natty [12:28] snikker: ok , alsamixer -V all in the terminal [12:28] snikker: then do a screenshot [12:28] snikker: to post a screeshot fast see this [12:28] Peace-: i have some wierd issue with dolphin places panel having some kind gradiant on his header and i cant find away to remove it [12:29] and its only the panels on dolphin that have this issue . [12:30] DoctorPepper: mm [12:30] snikker: http://wstaw.org/m/2011/05/19/sceenshot.gif [12:30] Howdy folks [12:31] DoctorPepper: screnshot ? [12:31] screen [12:31] DoctorPepper: i guess loading default scheme should fix the stuff [12:32] Peace-: http://i.imgur.com/YmWvI.png [12:33] Peace-: http://img62.imageshack.us/content_round.php?page=done&l=img62/1794/dolphinbespin.png [12:34] DoctorPepper: http://wstaw.org/m/2011/05/19/besping.gif [12:34] DoctorPepper: hihihi macstyle [12:35] snikker: of course you have not sound :D [12:35] snikker: put all to max [12:35] snikker: speakers are to 0 level [12:36] DoctorPepper: mm how did you get dolphin on the top panel? [12:36] i mean i seee [12:36] Peace-: opppss... yes, it's right :-) but kmix show it at half [12:36] DoctorPepper: dolphin edit etc [12:36] Peace-: btw now it works! thank you [12:37] snikker: :) [12:37] using Xbar plasmoid and Bespin [12:38] + install dbusmenu for gtk-apps [12:38] DoctorPepper: mmm you know about ... menubar? [12:38] DoctorPepper: you don't need of bespin with menubar [12:39] Peace-: what application do you use for make video in .gif format? [12:39] snikker: i did it xD [12:40] snikker: http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/gif+recorder+qt?content=141720&PHPSESSID=a60a95b0453c7a5ce9c869c8e2ece1de [12:40] snikker: download unpackage and then : sudo ./install [12:41] Peace-: compliments! thank you also for this :) [12:51] snikker: well it's a simple bash script + menu [12:54] Peace-: btw nice good work === f3n1x is now known as F3N1X [13:27] ok folks, maybe a silly question butI like displaying only the shut down button at the panel, but it looks just too big. Is there a way to make it smaller, like when displaying shut down and block buttons? [13:35] george_: mm [13:35] george_: i guess you should customize the icons [13:35] i mean [13:36] /usr/share/icon [13:36] on that folder there are icons [13:36] Peace: Oh.... [13:36] so you basically you need to replace bigger icons with the smaller one [13:37] to me that's not a real question ...a real question is about fixing broken apps or probs with making things...icons etc is window dressing IMO [13:37] making apps work [13:38] Peace:Ok, thanks for you help. [13:38] afaik the icons are resized to fit into the panel without cropping. So to get a smaller icon you make the panel smaller [13:38] mostly i just shutdown our pcs from the cli with ssh [13:39] BluesKaj:I guess we all have our own preferences [13:39] george_: /usr/share/icons/oxygen/32x32/actions/ [13:39] system-shutdown.ong [13:39] *png [13:40] george_: of couse if you have another icon theme , i mean that is for oxygen [13:41] you need to edit /usr/share/icons/THEMENAME/SIZETOOBIG/actions/system-shutdown.png [13:41] Peace:Ok, thanks. [13:45] george_, yeah, I'm just in a jerky mood today. :_) === fishwithapipe is now known as f|shy [14:07] hello: does anyone here know if you can set rekonq to private browsing by default. If so then how? === michael is now known as Guest2976 === warren_ is now known as Guest54997 === Guest54997 is now known as htrejhh [14:26] <13WAAQ322> df === warren__ is now known as htrejhh [14:39] Hi is there a way to change ubuntu to kubuntu easily? [14:39] i dont like the unity [14:42] sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop, choose KDE on next login, that should do it === warren__ is now known as htrejhh === htrejhh is now known as htrejhhh === htrejhhh is now known as htrejhh [14:58] \msg NickServ identify ao11 [14:58] ao11_: You should probably change your password now === mren|off is now known as mren [15:45] hi, i need to format a USB disk to : FAT32 16KByte 8KByte clusters. [15:46] how do i do that from the command line ? === warren_ is now known as Guest85822 === Guest85822 is now known as htrejhh [15:50] * mino stares [15:56] !partners [15:56] Canonical's partner repositories provide packages a location for software vendors to publish applications. The repo itself can be added by running this in a !terminal: « sudo add-apt-repository "deb http://archive.canonical.com/ $(lsb_release -sc) partner" » [15:58] hello [15:58] after updating lucid lynx I don't hear any sound now [15:58] can anyone help ? [16:00] hey everybody [16:01] except oss neither alsa, nor pulseaudio generates any sound [16:01] I am using gstreamer-properties [16:01] to test [16:01] supermagnum_, http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/formatting-usb-pen-in-linux/ [16:02] !find sun-java6-plugin [16:02] Package/file sun-java6-plugin does not exist in maverick [16:02] !info sun-java6-plugin [16:02] Package sun-java6-plugin does not exist in maverick [16:03] !java [16:03] To install a Java runtime on Ubuntu on 10.04 LTS and newer, see http://tinyurl.com/2ffg7cc - For the Sun Java products and browser plugin, search for the sun-java6- packages in the !partner repository on Lucid (which must be enabled), or !multiverse repository on older releases. [16:03] manju_, open alsamixer in the terminal and make sure there no M in the ctrl boxes and use the arrow keys to navigate turn the ctrls up [16:03] info sun-java6-plugin partner [16:03] !info sun-java6-plugin partner [16:03] sun-java6-plugin (source: sun-java6): The Java(TM) Plug-in, Java SE 6. In component main, is optional. Version 6.24-1build0.10.10.1 (partner), package size 1 kB, installed size 60 kB (Only available for all amd64 i386 lpia ia64) [16:03] amichair: ^ [16:03] ah, thanks [16:04] unfortunately, it's not up to date :-( [16:04] amichair: What version are you looking for? [16:05] 6.25 [16:05] BluesKaj, ok...that didn't work [16:05] Ah. I see that in sid's repo, but it doesn't look like its been pulled into any of the partner repositories yet. [16:06] Pici: how long does it usually take it? [16:06] manju_, describe didn't work...what did you try ? [16:06] amichair: I'm not sure, but 6.24 seems to be in all the supported release's partner repos, so it seems that they are updating them regularly. [16:06]