[00:28] <Rob_____> Hello all! It is the official chat of lubuntu?
[00:29] <Rob_____> :(
[00:38] <KM0201> hmm,
[00:47] <phillw> KM0201: he is the correct room now :)
[00:47] <KM0201> lol
[00:47] <phillw> *he is in*
[02:07] <poltak> anyone have problem with lubuntu?
[02:11] <KM0201> nope.. :)
[02:11] <KM0201> u?
[02:11] <KM0201> poltak:
[02:11] <poltak> KM0201: does lubuntu have the software store?
[02:11] <KM0201> not by default.. i think you can install it if you want it though
[02:12] <KM0201> it has synaptic
[02:12] <poltak> hmm what distro do you use?
[02:12] <KM0201> lubuntu
[02:12] <KM0201> 11.04
[02:13] <poltak> I use Arch
[02:13] <poltak> I would like lubntu because it is nice fast and good for old hardware
[02:13] <KM0201> yeah, if you can use arch, you'll figure out ubuntu/lubuntu
[02:14] <KM0201> !info software-center
[02:14] <KM0201> so thats an easy install
[02:14] <KM0201> although i prefer synaptic, software center is available if you want it
[02:14] <poltak> gran
[02:15] <poltak> Aynone use SSD?
[02:17] <KM0201> no
[02:17] <KM0201> i should say, no, i don't
[02:17] <KM0201> i'm sure someone does
[02:41] <n0yd> hey guys and girls
[02:41] <n0yd> Anyone have issues with ccsm not working in lubuntu? it wsorked fine on my regular gnome desktop on same install
[02:41] <n0yd> \it justy gives me a straace when i try to run
[04:06] <KM0201> any smart people around?
[04:06] <Unit193> Rules me out...
[04:06] <KM0201> lovely
[04:06] <KM0201> is there a way to use Gksudo, w/ pcmanfm?
[04:06] <Unit193> :D
[04:07] <KM0201> here's what happened.
[04:07] <KM0201> i was just using my laptop, like normal, closed firefox, went to restart it, said there was an unexpected error in an unknown application, it done that on any app i started
[04:07] <KM0201> so i restarted,
[04:07] <KM0201> now, i log in at the login screen, it looks like it logs in, then drops back to the log inscreen
[04:08] <KM0201> im not really concerned w/ fixing the problem (i tried rm'ing Xauthority, etc.
[04:09] <KM0201> my main issue, is i want to back up /.thunderbird
[04:10] <KM0201> Unit193: no ideas?
[04:13] <Unit193> KM0201: Backup .thunderbird? You SFTP it over to another computer or boot off a liveCD
[04:13] <KM0201> Unit193: i booted a lubuntu live usb... but whenever i access my /home, it says permission denied, so i tried sudo cp... permission denied.
[04:13] <KM0201> i know gksudo works, cuz i've used it before.
[04:14] <KM0201> but for some reason... gksudo doesn't get used in lubuntu
[04:14] <KM0201> its no big deal.. worst that happens is i put ubuntu on a live cd, and do that real quick, then reinstall lubuntu.
[04:15] <KM0201> i was able to move a couple of movies, etc.. to my backup.. but when i try to back up, say... /.thunderbird   i get no joy
[04:20] <Unit193> ls -l -a |grep thunder
[04:22] <KM0201> whats thunder?
[04:22] <KM0201> !info thunder
[04:49] <jmarsden> !info thunderbird | KM0201
[04:49] <jmarsden> Oh, he disappeared ... never mind :)
[05:59] <head_victim> Hmm is it default to have colours in LXTerminal or is it just some config file I have stored from years ago?
[06:01] <bioterror> what colors
[06:01] <head_victim> Dark and light blues
[06:01] <head_victim> cd /
[06:01] <head_victim> and then
[06:01] <head_victim> ls
[06:01] <bioterror> ls colors
[06:02] <bioterror> im a zsh user
[06:03] <head_victim> I was just using the default stuff but it did have some sort of terminal config from a previous install
[06:03] <bioterror> i have alias for them
[06:03] <bioterror> it has nothing to do with terminal
[06:03] <bioterror> its in your bashrc
[06:04] <bioterror> or profile
[06:23] <jmarsden> By default, Ubuntu and Lubuntu set alias ls=ls --color=auto    (in .etc/skel/.bashrc
[06:36] <head_victim> I just modified the bash.rc
[06:36] <head_victim> I like time and date stamps as well
[06:37] <head_victim> Takes up a lot more room on the screen but with a 24inch monitor it doesn't really matter
[06:45] <jmarsden> For a way to see the date/time of last prompt in the window title, you can do things like   PROMPT_COMMAND='echo -ne "\033]0;`date +%F\ %T` ${USER}@`hostname --fqdn`: ${PWD/$HOME/~}\007"'
[06:45] <jmarsden> This avoids wasting space in the terminal window itself :)
[06:45] <head_victim> Thu_19May2011_15:45:59_jared@galapagos:~$
[06:45] <head_victim> That's my prompt
[06:46] <head_victim> That being said I have a similar timestamp on IRC
[06:47] <bioterror> head_victim, would you like to try zsh? ;)
[06:47] <head_victim> I don't even know what that is bioterror  ;)
[06:47] <bioterror> head_victim, something beyond bash
[06:48] <head_victim> I hardly use bash so probably not ;) I'm what you call a "novice end user"
[06:48] <bioterror> isnt it time to rise above others?
[06:49] <bioterror> maybe yo
[06:49] <bioterror> you will understand more why terminal > gui ;)
[06:50] <head_victim> I already understand terminal > gui for certain thiings it's just I don't use a lot of those things regularly  ;)
[06:53] <jmarsden> head_victim: my PROMPT_COMMAND makes my window title look something like:   2011-05-18 22:51:55 jonathan@black.jmarsden.org: /home/jonathan/packages/bibledit/main
[06:53] <jmarsden> But my shell prompt is quite a bit shorter :)
[06:53] <bioterror> my window title says hmmm
[06:53] <bioterror> what did it say
[06:54] <bioterror> it says lots of stuff
[06:54] <bioterror> like last command, which tty
[06:54] <bioterror> under screen that does not work ;)
[06:55] <jmarsden> bioterror: Right, I wrap that setting inside a case statement that checks your $TERM is xterm or rxvt to try to handle that little issue.
[06:55]  * jmarsden has a .bashrc around 200 lines long... :)
[06:56] <bioterror> http://ricecows.org/weekhat.png
[06:56] <bioterror> example
[06:57] <bioterror> tty, folder and last command
[06:57] <jmarsden> last command is ssh but shows an irc client... shouldn't it show the command that started the irc client??
[06:58] <bioterror> last command is ssh
[06:58] <bioterror> to my shell
[06:59] <jmarsden> OK... you are so paranoid you need to run IRC non-locally?? :)
[07:00] <bioterror> I run it becouse my cable conenction sucks and oh well
[07:00] <bioterror> this is kinda free for me ;)
[07:00] <bioterror> my friend runs webhotel and stuff
[07:00] <bioterror> and I help when I can with things like moving servers in the middle of the night from cave to another :D
[07:01] <bioterror> and I have three domains hosted too
[07:01] <bioterror> and emails there for me, my wife and my parents with unlimited quota
[07:01] <jmarsden> so I can send you a 5 Exabyte email? :)
[07:02] <bioterror> first you need to get that ammount of space :D
[07:02] <bioterror> cat /dev/urandom > ;D
[07:02] <jmarsden> No, I can write a program to generate it one byte at a time :)
[07:02] <jmarsden> You need the space to receive it, not to send it :)
[07:02] <bioterror> but ofcourse I try not to abuse this thing
[07:23] <head_victim> Nice, I've just lost my mouse pointer, it's invisible but still there sort of
[07:23] <bioterror> I took it
[07:23] <head_victim> DAMN YOU
[07:23] <bioterror> I need more mouse pointers
[07:23] <head_victim> Might be synergy related
[07:24] <head_victim> Nope
[07:25] <head_victim> Damn mouse pointers
[07:25] <head_victim> Any suggestions on resetting that without a restart of X ?
[07:25] <bioterror> try lxpanel and mouse icon :P
[07:26] <head_victim> just killed the lxpanel, it's gone but the pointer hasn't returned :/
[07:26] <bioterror> sorry
[07:27] <bioterror> I need to drink my cup of coffee till end
[07:27] <bioterror> becouse I ment lxappearance
[07:27] <bioterror> without lxpanel lxde is rather useless :G
[07:27] <bioterror> head_victim, you're too trigger happy
[07:27] <head_victim> No lxappearance here
[07:28] <head_victim> And I can get my panel back easily enough
[07:28] <head_victim> Hmm
[07:29] <head_victim> I'm thinking restarting X might be my only option :/
[07:29] <head_victim> In which case I may as well reboot for that kernel update as well
[07:29] <jmarsden> head_victim: Just learn to use the shell instead of a GUI :)
[07:29] <bioterror> head say in terminal: service lxdm restart ;)
[07:29] <head_victim> bioterror: does that restart X though?
[07:29] <bioterror> yeah
[07:30] <head_victim> HAHAHA I think my mouse batteries died
[07:30] <head_victim> I found the pointer. It's stationary
[07:30] <bioterror> :D
[07:31] <head_victim> On that note I shall go shopping and let it recharge *docks mouse and feels like an idiot*
[07:31] <bioterror> hahhaha
[07:31] <bioterror> you at least have that dock
[07:32] <head_victim> Heh I got my lxpanel back as well though so it's not like I lost anything
[07:34] <jmarsden> There is no known Lubuntu command to return mouse to dock to recharge dead mouse batteries... you have to do that yourself :)
[07:35] <bioterror> needs some physical work
[07:35] <bioterror> move hand
[07:35] <bioterror> "sudo mv mouse dock"
[08:23] <poltak> what kind of kernel does lubuntu use? (and please don't say "linux")
[08:23] <bioterror> 32bit :D
[08:23] <bioterror> or if you're using that AMD64 test iso
[08:23] <bioterror> you have 64bit kernel!
[08:24] <poltak> ...
[08:24] <bioterror> could you specify more
[08:24] <poltak> don't
[08:25] <poltak> Does it use the same kernel as Ubuntu?
[08:25] <bioterror> there's this generic kernel, then there's PAE-kernel and even realtime kernel
[08:25] <bioterror> poltak, ofcourse it uses the same kernel as ubuntu, or kubuntu or even the xubuntu uses
[08:25] <bioterror> we use the same repository
[08:25] <poltak> don't
[08:25] <bioterror> the only difference between ubuntu and lubuntu is that candy what you see on your desktop
[08:26] <poltak> and the name
[08:26] <bioterror> and bunch of more lightweight applications that's shipped
[08:30] <bioterror> poltak, but I give you props for that Linux comment ;)
[08:30] <lighta> hi here, what the command to start lxfe panel again ? start lfce-panel seem not the good one
[08:30] <bioterror> :)
[08:31] <bioterror> lxpanel --profile Lubuntu
[08:31] <lighta> thx bioterror =)
[08:31] <bioterror> lighta, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/FAQ bookmarks it ;)
[08:32] <lighta> yep eh I found it weird one panel stuck wasn't easy to start app again
[08:32] <lighta> I mean I used formally xfce, I just add to do right clic then navigate to app but here na ! had to do the way in usr/bin/ lol
[08:33] <poltak> bioterror: I reject your prop
[08:41] <head_victim> Hey lookk, my mouse works again now
[08:41] <bioterror> \o/
[08:48] <MrChrisDruif> Great head_victim :)
[09:26] <head_victim> If anyone is ever looking for a good book to buy that wants to learn about linux and sys admin stuff http://www.apress.com/9781430219125 is awesome
[09:27] <head_victim> It's more beginner than pro but still awesome for learners like me
[10:10] <head_victim> hmm where can I find bash alias'? I thought I'd fixed the colour problem but find and ls and stuff still have colours :/
[10:10] <bioterror> /etc/bash.bashrc
[10:14] <head_victim> Nothing in there at all
[10:14] <bioterror> really
[10:14] <head_victim> Well nothing colour related
[10:14] <bioterror> Thu08:23*<jmarsden> By default, Ubuntu and Lubuntu set alias ls=ls --color=auto    (in .etc/skel/.bashrc
[10:15] <head_victim> unset color_prompt force_color_prompt
[10:18] <head_victim> I think that's doing something
[10:18] <head_victim> Nah found it
[10:18] <head_victim> Sorry I should look at the whole file first
[10:18] <bioterror> you should use find!
[10:18] <head_victim> Yeah was trying to be lazy in nano
[12:12] <silverarrow> hi
[12:15] <head_victim> Gday silverarrow
[12:23] <silverarrow> hi head
[12:24] <stlsaint> lol
[12:24] <stlsaint> hi head
[12:26] <silverarrow> I'm considering downloading opera, or grease monkey, and hopefully make them play youtube videos
[12:31] <stlsaint> silverarrow: chromium doesnt work?
[12:31] <bioterror> good luck with Opera
[12:31] <bioterror> try facebook for example with Opera and you will notice nice CPU load
[12:31] <silverarrow> it's suppose to be difficult with chromium, but opera and grease monkey are possible
[12:32] <silverarrow> true lol
[12:32] <silverarrow> opera is a bit taxing, but fire fox is even worse
[12:32] <bioterror> I liked MacGyver when he had that pocket knife, but then again Opera is horrible
[12:33] <silverarrow> yeah, maybe on the very tiny computers
[12:33] <bioterror> MacGyver did awesome things with this knife, but Opera is a worse in everything
[12:33] <bioterror> as a browser, as a mail client, as a what ever
[12:33] <silverarrow> it is?
[12:34] <bioterror> silverarrow, try midori
[12:34] <bioterror> give it a chance
[12:34] <silverarrow> when I did research on the library, and had all kinds of online books, documents and flash streams going, Opera was the only one that never crashed
[12:36] <silverarrow> in Puppy linux opera ran very smoothly on minimal systems, when fire fox didn't
[12:36] <silverarrow> but now, I am in lubuntu, so maybe not opera then
[12:36] <bioterror> Chrome likes RAM
[12:36] <bioterror> that's for sure
[12:37] <bioterror> or Chromium
[12:37] <bioterror> try midori
[12:37] <silverarrow> chromium works fine, and I have only 1GB right now
[12:37] <bioterror> did you install midori?
[12:37] <silverarrow> adobe doesn't run smoothly, but vlc does for some reason
[12:38] <poltak> midori is lovely
[12:38] <silverarrow> I am opening package manager ;- )
[12:38] <bioterror> silverarrow, sudo apt-get install midori
[12:38] <bioterror> it's that easy ;)
[12:38] <silverarrow> lol
[12:39] <bioterror> I yesterday saw once again wacom users
[12:39] <bioterror> and they said I would never use mouse again if I tried to use wacom for a week
[12:40] <poltak> bioterror: your point?
[12:40] <silverarrow> now I have midori
[12:43] <silverarrow> do you draw a lot?
[12:43] <bioterror> silverarrow, how does it play?
[12:43] <bioterror> silverarrow, I dont draw, but those guys downstairs draws
[12:43] <bioterror> and when I get to their computers, it's like ":D"
[12:43] <silverarrow> lol
[12:44] <silverarrow> yeah, it can be fun
[12:44] <bioterror> you keep that pen above that board and try to click by movign pen down :D
[12:46] <silverarrow> hmm, midori is veeeryyy slow
[12:46] <bioterror> is it?
[12:46] <bioterror> should be fast like greased lightning
[12:46] <silverarrow> perhaps just the few seconds,
[12:46] <poltak> silverarrow: you should probably use links if midori's too slow for you
[12:46] <silverarrow> it seems to run fine now
[12:46] <bioterror> poltak, +1 ;D
[12:46] <bioterror> links -g
[12:48] <silverarrow> I mean, it looks like it was slow only in the very beginning, but not now
[12:49] <silverarrow> weird thing is that Opera was really quick in Puppy Linux
[12:49] <bioterror> as I said, try facebook with opera and you will notice that it uses lots of cpu
[12:49] <bioterror> while chromium for example uses almost nothing at all
[12:49] <silverarrow> I will
[12:49] <bioterror> but then again, if I use speedtest.net with chromium
[12:49] <bioterror> my cpu usage is around 60-80% :D
[12:50] <bioterror> and I have slow AMD Athlon X2 2.7GHz
[12:50] <bioterror> seems like I need more cores
[12:50] <silverarrow> chromium was really bad in puppy, for some reason,
[12:51] <silverarrow> at least on the computer I had then
[12:51] <silverarrow> but in lubuntu, it works fine
[12:52] <silverarrow> I used to like firefox, had it for years, but then I got used to opera,
[12:53] <silverarrow> on my ubuntu computer I had firefox and xp computer opera
[12:53] <bioterror> like googles sync more than opera's sync
[12:53] <bioterror> I get everything synced with chromium and chrome
[12:54] <bioterror> no big hustle with those
[12:54] <silverarrow> internet explorer wasn't the best there for a while, but the latest versions have pretty much fixed a lot of problems
[12:54] <bioterror> it's still slow
[12:54] <bioterror> no matter what kind of hw you have, it's slow
[12:54] <bioterror> and I bet IE9 is still a security risk
[12:54] <silverarrow> yes, a bit slow, especially at startup
[12:55] <bioterror> (I just picked up a laptop for reinstallation becouse of malmware/virus ;)
[12:55] <silverarrow> safety is an issu
[12:55] <bioterror> I
[12:55] <bioterror> I'm now making new images with chrome and firefox 4 installed
[12:56] <silverarrow> cool
[12:56] <silverarrow> is fire fox the safest still?
[12:56] <bioterror> I dont have any problems with Chrome
[12:56] <silverarrow> I never had anything in opera, and I had trend micro then
[12:58] <silverarrow> with the linix distros I have had I never installed antivirus
[12:58] <bioterror> that's becouse there's only few of them and those are not active
[12:58] <bioterror> all you have is mostly remote exploits
[12:58] <bioterror> you need to run those
[12:58] <bioterror> and some holes in softwares :)
[12:59] <bioterror> but they get fixed rather fast
[12:59] <bioterror> you're pretty safe when you're not having open ports to outworld
[13:00] <bioterror> if you have sshd for example, you just remember to disable root login and have a little more tricky username instead of firstname and password that has big letter, number and has more than 6 marks
[13:00] <bioterror> small things matters
[13:01] <silverarrow> noted
[13:01] <bioterror> and you can install fail2ban or denyhosts
[13:01] <bioterror> I have denyhosts installed
[13:01] <silverarrow> I have to google it
[13:01] <bioterror>  cat /etc/hosts.deny |wc -l
[13:01] <bioterror> 16885
[13:02] <bioterror> ;)
[13:04] <bioterror> and from the last 4 days
[13:04] <bioterror> sudo cat /var/log/auth.log |grep refused |wc -l
[13:04] <bioterror> 51
[13:04] <silverarrow> what I like about firefox and chromium is the toolbar bookmarks, you can have only the logo, no title text
[13:05] <silverarrow> very cool
[13:08] <silverarrow> thanks for the new info
[13:08] <silverarrow> I have to leave now
[13:08] <silverarrow> have a fine day
[13:08] <silverarrow> thanks for all the help
[13:44] <rob_p> What's the best way to add an app launcher to the taskbar?
[13:44] <bioterror> what kind of app
[13:45] <bioterror> you have it installed?
[13:45] <rob_p> bioterror: Things from the, "Accessories" menu.
[13:45] <bioterror> you right click that taskbar, you edit that lauched application and you add an item to it
[13:45] <bioterror> launcher
[13:46] <bioterror> if I remember right
[13:46] <bioterror> I dont have lxpanel near me atm. ;)
[13:47] <rob_p> Hmm...doesn't seem to be very intuitive...
[13:48] <Neosano> Argh! Kupfer stopped working!
[13:48] <Neosano> it was working fine yesterday
[13:49] <Neosano> it pops up on ctrl+space but I can't type anything
[13:49] <Neosano> wrong channel, I know... but still :|
[13:49] <rob_p> bioterror: I right-click the taskbar and the only thing that looks promising is a menu item that says, "Add/Remove panel items" so I select that.  From there, I get a window with a bunch of things that don't lead me to the items in, "Accessories" so it doesn't seem to be possible.
[13:50] <Neosano> uhm what's was the problem?
[13:51] <rob_p> Neosano: Was your question directed at me?
[13:51] <bioterror> I'll buut my 10.10 pendrive
[13:51] <Neosano> rob_p, yeah ^^
[13:51] <rob_p> Neosano: What's the best way to add an app launcher to the taskbar?
[13:51] <Neosano> o_o
[13:52] <rob_p> Neosano: I just want to put a launcher for lxterminal in my taskbar.
[13:52] <Neosano> add remove panel items/add/application launch bar
[13:52] <Neosano> then click on the launch bar, then click Edit
[13:52] <bioterror> hmmm
[13:52] <bioterror> right click panel
[13:52] <bioterror> panel settings
[13:52] <bioterror> choose panel applets tab
[13:53] <bioterror> there's application launcher bar
[13:53] <bioterror> choose chat active and edit
[13:53] <Neosano> bioterror, hmm, does it work ok from your pendrive?
[13:53] <bioterror> I assume you can figure out the rest
[13:53] <bioterror> Neosano, ofcourse it does, I made that stick ;)
[13:53] <Neosano> bioterror, mine freezes sometimes. :\
[13:53] <Neosano> bioterror, just for a sec or two..
[13:54] <rob_p> bioterror: Neosano: Oh, now I see what was happening.  I added launchbars but they need to be edited...
[13:54] <Neosano> rob_p, yeah ^.^ you can right click your launch bars directly from the panel
[13:55] <rob_p> bioterror: Neosano: Slightly unintuitive but now that I know the process, seems easy enough.  Thanks for the help.
[13:55] <Neosano> bioterror, especially 5 minutes after the boot.. shouldn't it work faster than from a hdd?
[13:55] <bioterror> no
[14:08] <bioterror> usb stick is slower than hdd ;)
[14:13] <Neosano> damn.. then is there a way to minimize disk usage?
[14:48] <budo> live cd will not boot into gui
[14:48] <bioterror> what's the error
[14:49] <budo> well........once you boot the live cd it enters black and white screen command mode
[14:50] <bioterror> hmm
[14:50] <budo> error occurs when I enter command:  startx
[14:50] <bioterror> hmmmm
[14:50] <bioterror> herp n derp
[14:50] <bioterror> I say
[14:50] <bioterror> !mini | budo
[14:50] <bioterror> try minimal installation
[14:50] <bioterror> install from that and we might have better resources to try fix the problem
[14:51] <bioterror> once you have minimal installation installed, you can say "sudo apt-get install lubuntu-desktop --no-install-recommends"
[14:53] <budo> okay umm  is this a try out version?
[14:53] <budo> try out lubuntu without installing it on the hard drive?
[14:53] <bioterror> no
[14:53] <bioterror> you will install ubuntu wit minimal installation
[14:53] <bioterror> and then fetch all the lubuntu stuff
[14:53] <bioterror> I rather try to fix a working installation than LiveCD session
[14:54] <budo> oh ok  hmm
[14:55] <budo> lbuntu is very slim and fast, right?
[14:57] <bioterror> yes
[14:57] <bioterror> and remember to first run "sudo apt-get update"
[14:57] <bioterror> before you install lubuntu-desktop ;)
[14:59] <budo> well....i'll need to back up some files b4 i get started, brb
[15:57] <silverarrow> hi
[15:58] <silverarrow> yesterday I installed lubuntu to my new harddrive, and happen to burn the old version, but updated to the new one right away
[15:59] <silverarrow> now I am trying to figure out how to make videoplayer work properly, if I have all the restricted packages I need
[16:01] <bioterror> install vlc, easieräää
[16:01] <bioterror> easier... even
[16:01] <silverarrow> I have marked of for the restricted extras and plugins
[16:01] <silverarrow> I did
[16:01] <bioterror> if you dont have anything against qt
[16:01] <silverarrow> VLC is my favorite
[16:02] <silverarrow> it doesn't play torrent dowloads
[16:02] <bioterror> it plays anything you throw at it
[16:02] <silverarrow> yeah, usually
[16:02] <bioterror> what kind of pr0n have you leeched?
[16:02] <silverarrow> this old movie I downloaded plays in the gnome player
[16:02] <silverarrow> and old scary movie
[16:02] <bioterror> hmmm
[16:03] <silverarrow> I thought it was the version plaing in the movies now, but it turned out to be an old one
[16:03] <bioterror> would you download a car if you could?
[16:04] <silverarrow> I also dowloaded Red Riding Hood, but neither of them takes the rar stuff
[16:04] <bioterror> hahaha
[16:04] <silverarrow> neither gnome or vlc
[16:04] <bioterror> thats becouse they are compressed
[16:04] <silverarrow> yeah, funny, but I needed to have something to play and try out
[16:04] <bioterror> unrar x fooooooo.rar
[16:05] <bioterror> xbmc actually handles those
[16:05] <bioterror> fyi
[16:05] <silverarrow> hmm, I have opened rar in vlc before, but I cannot remember what I did
[16:05] <bioterror> stupid scene releases
[16:05] <silverarrow> yes
[16:06] <bioterror> after unpacking rm *.r*
[16:09] <silverarrow> the dvd player is not working either
[16:09] <silverarrow> hmm
[16:09] <silverarrow> do I need more than the restricted packages found in package manager?
[16:11] <silverarrow> somehow it does read the dvd, I can see a list of stuff when opening as a folder
[16:11] <bioterror> libdvdcss2 or what was it
[16:11] <bioterror> !dvd
[16:11] <bioterror> haaa
[16:11] <bioterror> !dvdplay
[16:19] <KarolRadom> I want to install Lubuntu desktop but now i have xubuntu 10.10. It will be OK if i install lubuntu desktop in synaptic??
[16:19] <silverarrow> hi, I happen to close the window
[16:20] <silverarrow> yeas, you should be able to choose desktop environment
[16:20] <silverarrow> yes
[16:20] <silverarrow> i missed the last posts bioterror made
[16:20] <silverarrow> unfortunately
[16:20] <KarolRadom> and after that i have to uninstall xubuntu packages??
[16:21] <silverarrow> hmm, I don't think you have to, but it's probably a good idea
[16:21] <silverarrow> in my experience the last desktop you choose, sort of sticks
[16:22] <silverarrow> and no messup
[16:22] <head_victim> KarolRadom: you don't have to, if you don't it will just leave it as an option to log into when you boot up
[16:22] <head_victim> silverarrow: he was using a bot command
[16:22] <head_victim> !dvd
[16:22] <head_victim> That's what he last posted :)
[16:22] <silverarrow> thanks
[16:22] <head_victim> No worries mate
[16:22] <silverarrow> cool
[16:23] <KarolRadom> ok thank you for your help
[16:23] <silverarrow> I have installed the restricted ones you have to choose manually
[16:24] <head_victim> silverarrow: should work then if you follow those instructions
[16:25] <silverarrow> it doesn't lol
[16:29] <budo> hmm.....the minimal install wont ask me for the partition scheme I want?
[16:29] <silverarrow> I still might be missing something
[16:30] <silverarrow> you  mean manual partitioning table ?
[16:31] <silverarrow> there is an option in the regular installation process
[16:32] <budo> yes the table
[16:32] <budo> okay, thanks
[16:33] <silverarrow> I get the message DVDRead could not read -1/4 blocks at 0x01
[16:33] <silverarrow> in vlc
[16:34] <silverarrow> budo, I think it is basically an integrated version of G-parted
[16:41] <bioterror> budo, what kind of partition table are you after?
[16:46] <budo> im thinking 504mb swap, 35mb for /boot, and for 1 dont know, and /mnt/home the rest
[16:46] <budo> its 8.5 GB hard drive
[16:46] <budo> for /  I dont know^
[16:46] <bioterror> rather small
[16:46] <budo> yup
[16:47] <bioterror> my wife's laptop: 145M    /boot
[16:47] <bioterror> :----D
[16:47] <budo> could I get away with smaller swap?
[16:47] <bioterror> how much you have RAM?
[16:48] <budo> most people I read only say rarely do people need over 100 mb for /boot
[16:48] <budo> 504 mb
[16:48] <bioterror> my wife seems to have couple of kernels
[16:48] <budo> oh i c
[16:48] <bioterror> oh, you have shared RAM with with graphics card?
[16:48] <bioterror> is that a laptop?
[16:49] <budo> good question  lol
[16:49] <budo> no desktop
[16:49] <bioterror> okay
[16:49] <budo> old gateway
[16:49] <bioterror> then you dont need 1.5x RAM
[16:50] <budo> could I get away with 384?
[16:50] <bioterror> oh look, I dont have swap activated atm. :D
[16:50] <bioterror> depends
[16:50] <bioterror> I dont know your habbits
[16:50] <bioterror> but I would put 512MB
[16:51] <bioterror> there's some for the case if a program starts to leak memory
[16:51] <budo> k
[16:52] <bioterror> / is the place where you install programs
[16:52] <bioterror> I would go with swap and /
[16:52] <bioterror> but that's me
[16:52] <silverarrow> with that kind of harddrive, why don't let lubuntu take over and handle it automatically?
[16:52] <budo> 800 MB for /, and rest for /mnt/home
[16:52] <bioterror> small /
[16:53] <bioterror> and logs will be too generated into /
[16:53] <silverarrow> hmm, a new harddrive and some ram would improve
[16:54] <silverarrow> ram for old portables doesn't cost much these days
[16:54] <budo> brb
[16:55] <silverarrow> I have a portable with 300 GB harddisk, 700 MGHz CPU, and 1GB ram, runs fine,
[16:55] <silverarrow> though for Totem player you need core 2 duo CPU, and 2 GB ram
[16:57] <silverarrow> I like the small portables, but only the newest can handle regular Ubuntu and Windows
[16:59] <silverarrow> budo, which model is it?
[17:16] <bioterror> silverarrow, tobe honest: with flash your cpu is too slow
[17:17] <silverarrow> yes it is, that old laptop is a curiosity
[17:17] <silverarrow> but a cerelon M 1,5GHz works
[17:17] <bioterror> even my few years old dell get's warm with flash
[17:18] <KM0201> Unit193: u around?
[17:18] <silverarrow> I used to have this tiny portable with an atom processor, every thing worked but it got hot
[17:18] <silverarrow> I think it is about 2 years old now, it came with windows 7
[17:19] <silverarrow> and W7 was pretty new then
[17:19] <bioterror> I have couple of Atom boards
[17:19] <bioterror> one with 330 and later one with D525
[17:19] <budo> ut oh, error occurred while trying to install the kernel
[17:20] <silverarrow> bioterror, VLC streams fine on the old computer
[17:20] <silverarrow> adobe, is jerky
[17:22] <silverarrow> but, it's way to old to depend upon, it's just that I had this new IDE harddisk and the others are SATA
[17:22] <silverarrow> so I had to try it in the old one,
[17:23] <silverarrow> my computers keep braking down, and need repair
[17:23] <silverarrow> even the new ones
[17:23] <bioterror> :D
[17:27] <Unit193> KM0201: Now I am...
[17:27] <KM0201> hang on a sec.. i just closed it...
[17:29] <KM0201> well crap, it won't let me paste it
[17:30] <bioterror> !language | KM0201
[17:30] <KM0201> bioterror: get bent.. crap isn't a bad word.
[17:30] <bioterror> ;)
[17:32] <KM0201> Unit193: can you see the problem here.. specifically 203-209   this worked fine on my laptop... http://pastebin.com/V9RmPzus
[17:32] <budo> wont install kernel
[17:44] <Unit193> KM0201: I take it it's just not running? Does it give any sort of error?
[17:44] <KM0201> Unit193: nope, nothing.. i hit ctrl alt l, and nothing at all happens
[17:47] <KM0201> Unit193: another way i could do it... is create a launcher, make it executable, and just add that to my panel and when i need to lock-screen, just click it... i'd be fine w/ that, but i can't figur eout how to create a launcher.
[17:47] <KM0201> unfortunately googling Lubuntu, always turns up "Ubuntu".. and i know how to do it in Ubuntu..
[17:48] <Unit193> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/FAQ <--- is that what you're looking for?
[17:48] <bioterror> KM0201, why dont you use super+l?
[17:48] <KM0201> Unit193: yeah
[17:49] <silverarrow> lubuntu is cool,
[17:49] <silverarrow> I think I shall have lubuntu  in my new laptop
[17:49] <KM0201> Unit193: only thing is... when i use super-l.. it doesn't work.. so go figure.
[17:50] <KM0201> i have cntrl alt l working fine on my laptop, w/ that exact set of lines, but for some reason.. not working on the desktop.
[17:50] <Unit193> Did you logout then back in?
[17:51] <KM0201> yeah.
[17:51] <KM0201> several times
[17:51] <ubuntu> hallo
[17:52] <ubuntu> i'm on the unofficial lubuntu 64, anything should I do to test?
[17:53] <Unit193> KM0201: Just to make sure, what file did you edit? And you are using 10.10 or 11.04?
[17:53] <KM0201> Unit193: 11.04, and /home/user/.config/openbox/lubuntu-rc.xml
[17:54] <KM0201> brb
[17:55] <KM0201> weird, i got it to work.
[17:55] <KM0201> i had copied/pasted it from my laptops file, and it looked exactly the same
[17:56] <KM0201> but.. i simply just "typed" it in, rather than copy/paste, and it worked.
[17:56] <KM0201> go figure.
[17:56] <Unit193> Laptop file > pastebin
[17:56] <KM0201> Unit193: i'm not at at it now.
[17:56] <KM0201> but it looks exactly like what i pastebinned earlier
[17:56] <KM0201> to the letter
[17:59] <KM0201> Unit193: thanks for your help, not sure what caused it.. only thing i did different, was type it in manually, rather than cut/paste, but it seems to be working now.
[18:00] <Unit193> KM0201: I would like to see the one that works to tell what went wrong (Compare)
[18:01] <KM0201> Unit193: it looks exactly the same...
[18:01] <KM0201> i even counted the spaces from the margin.
[18:01] <budo> on the minimal installation the kernel wont install
[18:03] <Unit193> KM0201: You could run a diff program on them (see what's changed)
[18:04] <KM0201> Unit193: to late now, i didn't save the old one
[18:04] <KM0201> i just retyped everything, logged out, logged in, and it worked
[18:04] <KM0201> maybe a weird space in there or something (from the copy/paste) was causing an issue?
[18:05] <Unit193> Well, would you mind pastebin? I have what *should* be the other one...
[18:05] <KM0201> yeah, hang on
[18:06] <KM0201> http://pastebin.com/SVix563q
[18:07] <KM0201> thats just the relevant part
[18:08] <KM0201> like i said, there had to be a hidden space, or somthing weird in there
[18:08] <KM0201> cuz when i typed it manually, it worked fine
[18:10] <ubuntu> hey what up yo
[18:11] <ubuntu> these messages that say "don't show this message again" don't seem to work
[18:11] <ubuntu> y'all up on this?
[18:12] <KM0201> Unit193: any ideas on what the prob was?
[18:13] <Unit193> KM0201: There was no change.... (Might be in the Keybind key part)
[18:13] <KM0201> hmm, maybe.
[18:48] <silverarrow> hi
[18:59] <ubuntu> hallo
[19:12] <bioterror> hi ubuntu
[19:13] <ubuntu> hello bioterror :)
[19:13] <bioterror> anything in mind?
[19:26] <ubuntu> I'm running the unofficial 64 bit lubuntu, just wondered if I should be running any tests or what not
[19:27] <bioterror> if it works, it's okay
[19:38] <Wulong> Can someone recommend a decent remote desktop serer like the one in Ubuntu?
[19:39] <Wulong> That should be server.
[19:39] <bioterror> szczur, would you say x11vnc?
[19:39] <bioterror> szczur, or you do prefer "tight" more? :D
[19:40] <szczur> i used x11vnc afair
[19:41] <Wulong> Is it virtual? I will need to be connected to the same desktop as the one running.
[19:42] <Wulong> Display :0.0
[19:42] <bioterror> isnt that the idea of vnc
[19:43] <Unit193> bioterror: That's not how tight server works... It makes it's own virtual server
[19:44] <Unit193> Wulong: x11vnc will show you the current/running desktop
[19:44] <Wulong> Ok. Downloading, thanks.
[19:44] <bioterror> really
[19:44] <bioterror> x11vnc then
[19:47] <Wulong> Do Lubuntu automatically connect to my last saved/used WiFi network when using automatically login?
[19:48] <bioterror> Wulong, you have said to do so
[19:57] <Wulong> Are there any autorun scripts or folders where I can run x11vnc on X startup?
[19:58] <bioterror> yes
[19:58] <Wulong> Where?
[19:58] <bioterror> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/FAQ
[19:58] <Wulong> ok, thanks
[19:58] <bioterror> 3.4
[20:00] <bioterror> budo, how's going now?
[20:00] <budo> anyone have any idea why a kernel will refuse to install on hard drive?
[20:00] <budo> hey
[20:00] <bioterror> budo, with mini.iso?
[20:01] <budo> itll download and install the packages but generate an error for kernal install
[20:01] <budo> yes
[20:01] <bioterror> hmmm
[20:01] <bioterror> not good
[20:01]  * bioterror tries to remember if there was possibility to choose another mirror
[20:02] <budo> yes there is, tried that, same response
[20:03] <budo> hope my hard drive isnt defected
[20:05] <bioterror> mini.iso should be idiot proof
[20:13] <Karolek> I have one questin: Can I update my lubuntu to 11.04 when I have version 10.10??
[20:14] <bioterror> yes
[20:14] <Wulong> Sure
[20:14] <Wulong> Run do-release-upgrade
[20:14] <bioterror> you can do it with update manager or from terminal with comman ^
[20:14] <Karolek> Everything will be OK??
[20:14] <bioterror> should be
[20:14] <Wulong> That is always the question :P
[20:15] <Karolek> OK thanks :)
[20:15] <bioterror> if n ot, i think we can think somekind of solutions
[20:15] <Wulong> As long as you don't have any exotic hardware.
[20:15] <Wulong> Like gma500 I'm struggling with.
[20:23] <Wulong> Maybe I should put lubuntu on my main computer. Is there anything like gnome-do available?
[20:23] <bioterror> gnome-do is a dock?
[20:23] <Wulong> No, it's a .... argh. Like katapult, if you know KDE.
[20:23] <bioterror> hmmm
[20:24] <Wulong> It executes program quickly.
[20:24] <Wulong> Simliar to what unity does today.
[20:24] <Wulong> You trigger the program, enter "fire" and it understand you want to open firefox and does it.
[20:24] <bioterror> "gnome do with the docky interface"
[20:25] <bioterror> I have gmrun
[20:25] <bioterror> I type chr and press tab :D
[20:25] <Wulong> I hit <menu>, type c and enter :D
[20:25] <Unit193> I wonder how well dmenu works in Lubuntu
[20:25] <Wulong> gnome-do didn't have that docking crap before.
[20:25] <Wulong> Used it for a long time.
[20:26] <Wulong> Always disabling it.
[20:26] <bioterror> oh well, dock is here to stay
[20:26]  * bioterror is not going to judge as I still use wmaker every day ;)
[20:27] <bioterror> but that's so OS X stuff
[20:27] <Wulong> I prefer screen relestate.
[20:27] <bioterror> Unit193, I've wondered that too
[20:32] <Wulong> I see gmrun is a little stupid.
[20:33] <Wulong> It suggest running CLI stuff in an desktop enviroment.
[20:33] <bioterror> how so
[20:33] <Wulong> Without even opening terminal for it.
[20:33] <Wulong> It should only check or atleast prioritate .desktop stuff.
[20:34] <Wulong> Maybe I can config it to do so.
[20:40] <Ahmuck-Sr> how do i tell what version of lubuntu i'm using?
[20:41] <Wulong> cat /etc/lsb-release
[20:42] <Ahmuck-Sr> looks like i'm at 10.4  how do i upgrade?
[20:42] <Wulong> do-release-upgrade
[20:42] <bioterror> lsb_release -rc
[20:42] <Ahmuck-Sr> sudo aptitude do-release-upgarde
[20:42] <Wulong> update-manager -d
[20:46] <Ahmuck-Sr> ps -ax
[20:49] <budo> bioterror:  it went through now.....frankly, it didnt like my partition scheme i had for some reason
[20:53] <bioterror> yep
[21:27] <slooksterpsv> hey all I have a quick question, is there a bug with the lxpanel's cause changing it to system theme doesn't make the panel's look like the chosen theme
[21:29] <slooksterpsv> ?? anyone?
[21:30] <gomiboy> works as expected here
[21:31] <Neosano> slooksterpsv, what version?
[21:31] <slooksterpsv> so if you change the system theme, and then select system theme for the appearance of lxpanel it works? hmmm I'm on 64-bit Lubuntu (installed Ubuntu 64-bit then used psychocats script to install lubuntu) and it doesn't what can I try - 11.04 64-bit
[21:36] <slooksterpsv> is anyone here running the 64-bit version via the torrent that was sent mentioned in the mailing list and it works?
[21:37] <gomiboy> slooksterpsv: try this: logout, ctrl+F1, login, mv .config/lxpanel .config/lxpanel.backup, ctrl+f7, login and change the setting
[21:40] <slooksterpsv> ahh I think I figured it out; well when I made this ISO I guess I not only had just LXDE installed, I guess I had tested KDE and Gnome, so I logged into LXDE instead of Default and it works... weird
[21:41] <slooksterpsv> alright I'll bb gonna grab the ISO off my other computer for the Lubuntu 64-bit torrent brb
[21:54] <ocj-001> i'm on 10.04.2.x
[21:54] <ocj-001> i was reading on upgrading, but it did not appear to work
[21:55] <ocj-001> really though, i'm comfortable with the LTS release.  is there a libre office option for 10.04.2
[21:55] <bioterror> no
[21:55] <bioterror> unless ppa
[21:55] <bioterror> ocj-001, what did not work?
[21:55] <bioterror> did you get somekind of error message?
[21:56] <ocj-001> k, guess i should upgrade then
[21:56] <ocj-001> k, let me try again
[21:56] <bioterror> "sudo do-release-upgrade"
[21:56] <bioterror> and you will end up to 10.10
[21:56] <bioterror> where you can upgrade again to 11.04
[21:58] <ocj-001> ocj-001@OCJ-001:~$ sudo do-release-upgrade
[21:58] <ocj-001> Checking for a new ubuntu release
[21:58] <ocj-001> No new release found
[21:59] <slooksterpsv> gomiboy, could I Just do rm .config/lxpanel and then pkill lxpanel ?
[21:59] <ocj-001> lsb_release -a
[21:59] <ocj-001> No LSB modules are available.
[21:59] <ocj-001> Distributor ID:	Ubuntu
[21:59] <ocj-001> Description:	Ubuntu 10.04.2 LTS
[21:59] <ocj-001> Release:	10.04
[21:59] <ocj-001> Codename:	lucid
[22:00] <bioterror> hmm
[22:00] <bioterror> ocj-001, use -d flag?
[22:00] <bioterror> do-release-upgrade -d
[22:01] <KM0201> ocj-001: are you trying to upgrade 10.04 to 10.10?
[22:01] <gomiboy> slooksterpsv: didn't you solved already? anyway, yes, should work that way too...
[22:02] <ocj-001> that worked
[22:02] <ocj-001> thx bioterror
[22:02] <bioterror> np
[22:02] <slooksterpsv> gomiboy, actually I have to rm the lxpanel directory in .config; set it to the system theme, change the system theme, then pkill lxpanel then lxpanel & just to get it to show correctly
[22:03] <slooksterpsv> oh wait now it's somewhat working... weird
[22:04] <slooksterpsv> either way we've figured out how to fix it
[22:05] <ocj-001> KM0201: i'm really only trying to get libre office, and if that requires upgrading, i'll try
[22:06] <KM0201> ocj-001: honestly, i see no reason to upgrade for libre office... that seems a bit like buying a new car because you'll get a free tank of gas
[22:07] <bioterror> ocj-001, https://launchpad.net/~libreoffice/+archive/ppa
[22:07] <KM0201> ocj-001: i'm pretty sure there's a repository for 10.04 and libre office
[22:07] <KM0201> ocj-001: thats the one i used for Maverick... i imagine it would work fine for lucid as well.
[22:07] <bioterror> but then again, if you're not using i586, I would recommend upgrading
[22:08] <ocj-001> cept there is no buying part
[22:08] <ocj-001> just the free tank of gas
[22:09] <ocj-001> any way of stopping the upgrade?
[22:09] <ocj-001> looks like there is a ppa
[22:09] <bioterror> ^C :D
[22:09] <ocj-001> it warns you when starting the upgrade, don't interrupt
[22:10] <bioterror> yep
[22:10] <bioterror> is it now upgrading to natty or maverick?
[22:13] <budo> the minimal install doesnt like my computer
[22:13] <bioterror> budo, what's the issue now?
[22:14] <ocj-001> now i need to downgrade
[22:14] <budo> itll complete the install n everything, once it reboots for the new system to load it just hangs there
[22:14] <ocj-001> to maverick
[22:14] <bioterror> ocj-001, what+
[22:14] <ocj-001> i cancelled the instal as it was only in the download part
[22:14] <bioterror> yes
[22:14] <bioterror> sudo apt-get clean
[22:14] <bioterror> and edit your apt sources
[22:14] <ocj-001> i need to downgrade my source.list to 10.04.2
[22:15] <ocj-001> sudo apt-get clean
[22:15] <ocj-001> sorry
[22:23] <KM0201> ocj-001: still doesn't make sense to jut upgrade for a free office program, that is easy to install on 10.04... (if the office program is your only reason to upgrade)...
[22:23] <KM0201> that was my point..
[22:24] <bioterror> rather funny that lts didnt have libreoffice in the repos by default
[22:25] <KM0201> bioterror: i dont think libre office was stable when 10.04 came out.. thus why it wasn't put in lts.
[22:25] <bioterror> oh well, they could add it to repos
[22:25] <bioterror> but in the end it doesnt matter
[22:26] <KM0201> they could, but its something to do w/ how the repos on LTS is handled..
[22:30] <bioterror> oh well, good night folks
[22:31] <Unit193> bioterror: Have a good one!