[00:28] Hello all! It is the official chat of lubuntu? [00:29] :( [00:38] hmm, [00:47] KM0201: he is the correct room now :) [00:47] lol [00:47] *he is in* [02:07] anyone have problem with lubuntu? [02:11] nope.. :) [02:11] u? [02:11] poltak: [02:11] KM0201: does lubuntu have the software store? [02:11] not by default.. i think you can install it if you want it though [02:12] it has synaptic [02:12] hmm what distro do you use? [02:12] lubuntu [02:12] 11.04 [02:13] I use Arch [02:13] I would like lubntu because it is nice fast and good for old hardware [02:13] yeah, if you can use arch, you'll figure out ubuntu/lubuntu [02:14] !info software-center [02:14] software-center (source: software-center): Utility for browsing, installing, and removing applications. In component main, is optional. Version 4.0.1 (natty), package size 451 kB, installed size 2484 kB [02:14] so thats an easy install [02:14] although i prefer synaptic, software center is available if you want it [02:14] gran [02:15] Aynone use SSD? [02:17] no [02:17] i should say, no, i don't [02:17] i'm sure someone does === palhmbs is now known as palhmbs_ [02:41] hey guys and girls [02:41] Anyone have issues with ccsm not working in lubuntu? it wsorked fine on my regular gnome desktop on same install [02:41] \it justy gives me a straace when i try to run [04:06] any smart people around? [04:06] Rules me out... [04:06] lovely [04:06] is there a way to use Gksudo, w/ pcmanfm? [04:06] :D [04:07] here's what happened. [04:07] i was just using my laptop, like normal, closed firefox, went to restart it, said there was an unexpected error in an unknown application, it done that on any app i started [04:07] so i restarted, [04:07] now, i log in at the login screen, it looks like it logs in, then drops back to the log inscreen [04:08] im not really concerned w/ fixing the problem (i tried rm'ing Xauthority, etc. [04:09] my main issue, is i want to back up /.thunderbird === palhmbs_ is now known as palhmbs === palhmbs is now known as palhmbs_ === palhmbs_ is now known as palhmbs === palhmbs is now known as Guest43519 [04:10] Unit193: no ideas? === Guest43519 is now known as release === release is now known as guestnew === guestnew is now known as palhmbs [04:13] KM0201: Backup .thunderbird? You SFTP it over to another computer or boot off a liveCD [04:13] Unit193: i booted a lubuntu live usb... but whenever i access my /home, it says permission denied, so i tried sudo cp... permission denied. [04:13] i know gksudo works, cuz i've used it before. [04:14] but for some reason... gksudo doesn't get used in lubuntu [04:14] its no big deal.. worst that happens is i put ubuntu on a live cd, and do that real quick, then reinstall lubuntu. [04:15] i was able to move a couple of movies, etc.. to my backup.. but when i try to back up, say... /.thunderbird i get no joy [04:20] ls -l -a |grep thunder [04:22] whats thunder? [04:22] !info thunder [04:22] Package thunder does not exist in natty [04:49] !info thunderbird | KM0201 [04:49] KM0201: thunderbird (source: thunderbird): mail/news client with RSS and integrated spam filter support. In component main, is optional. Version 3.1.10+build1+nobinonly-0ubuntu0.11.04.1 (natty), package size 10705 kB, installed size 29608 kB [04:49] Oh, he disappeared ... never mind :) [05:59] Hmm is it default to have colours in LXTerminal or is it just some config file I have stored from years ago? [06:01] what colors [06:01] Dark and light blues [06:01] cd / [06:01] and then [06:01] ls [06:01] ls colors [06:02] im a zsh user [06:03] I was just using the default stuff but it did have some sort of terminal config from a previous install [06:03] i have alias for them [06:03] it has nothing to do with terminal [06:03] its in your bashrc [06:04] or profile === wiZZZZZZone is now known as wizonesolutions [06:23] By default, Ubuntu and Lubuntu set alias ls=ls --color=auto (in .etc/skel/.bashrc [06:36] I just modified the bash.rc [06:36] I like time and date stamps as well [06:37] Takes up a lot more room on the screen but with a 24inch monitor it doesn't really matter [06:45] For a way to see the date/time of last prompt in the window title, you can do things like PROMPT_COMMAND='echo -ne "\033]0;`date +%F\ %T` ${USER}@`hostname --fqdn`: ${PWD/$HOME/~}\007"' [06:45] This avoids wasting space in the terminal window itself :) [06:45] Thu_19May2011_15:45:59_jared@galapagos:~$ [06:45] That's my prompt [06:46] That being said I have a similar timestamp on IRC [06:47] head_victim, would you like to try zsh? ;) [06:47] I don't even know what that is bioterror ;) [06:47] head_victim, something beyond bash === wizonesolutions is now known as wiZZZone [06:48] I hardly use bash so probably not ;) I'm what you call a "novice end user" [06:48] isnt it time to rise above others? [06:49] maybe yo [06:49] you will understand more why terminal > gui ;) [06:50] I already understand terminal > gui for certain thiings it's just I don't use a lot of those things regularly ;) [06:53] head_victim: my PROMPT_COMMAND makes my window title look something like: 2011-05-18 22:51:55 jonathan@black.jmarsden.org: /home/jonathan/packages/bibledit/main [06:53] But my shell prompt is quite a bit shorter :) [06:53] my window title says hmmm [06:53] what did it say [06:54] it says lots of stuff [06:54] like last command, which tty [06:54] under screen that does not work ;) [06:55] bioterror: Right, I wrap that setting inside a case statement that checks your $TERM is xterm or rxvt to try to handle that little issue. [06:55] * jmarsden has a .bashrc around 200 lines long... :) [06:56] http://ricecows.org/weekhat.png [06:56] example [06:57] tty, folder and last command [06:57] last command is ssh but shows an irc client... shouldn't it show the command that started the irc client?? [06:58] last command is ssh [06:58] to my shell [06:59] OK... you are so paranoid you need to run IRC non-locally?? :) [07:00] I run it becouse my cable conenction sucks and oh well [07:00] this is kinda free for me ;) [07:00] my friend runs webhotel and stuff [07:00] and I help when I can with things like moving servers in the middle of the night from cave to another :D [07:01] and I have three domains hosted too [07:01] and emails there for me, my wife and my parents with unlimited quota [07:01] so I can send you a 5 Exabyte email? :) [07:02] first you need to get that ammount of space :D [07:02] cat /dev/urandom > ;D [07:02] No, I can write a program to generate it one byte at a time :) [07:02] You need the space to receive it, not to send it :) [07:02] but ofcourse I try not to abuse this thing [07:23] Nice, I've just lost my mouse pointer, it's invisible but still there sort of [07:23] I took it [07:23] DAMN YOU [07:23] I need more mouse pointers [07:23] Might be synergy related [07:24] Nope [07:25] Damn mouse pointers [07:25] Any suggestions on resetting that without a restart of X ? [07:25] try lxpanel and mouse icon :P [07:26] just killed the lxpanel, it's gone but the pointer hasn't returned :/ [07:26] sorry [07:27] I need to drink my cup of coffee till end [07:27] becouse I ment lxappearance [07:27] without lxpanel lxde is rather useless :G [07:27] head_victim, you're too trigger happy [07:27] No lxappearance here [07:28] And I can get my panel back easily enough [07:28] Hmm [07:29] I'm thinking restarting X might be my only option :/ [07:29] In which case I may as well reboot for that kernel update as well [07:29] head_victim: Just learn to use the shell instead of a GUI :) [07:29] head say in terminal: service lxdm restart ;) [07:29] bioterror: does that restart X though? [07:29] yeah [07:30] HAHAHA I think my mouse batteries died [07:30] I found the pointer. It's stationary [07:30] :D [07:31] On that note I shall go shopping and let it recharge *docks mouse and feels like an idiot* [07:31] hahhaha [07:31] you at least have that dock [07:32] Heh I got my lxpanel back as well though so it's not like I lost anything [07:34] There is no known Lubuntu command to return mouse to dock to recharge dead mouse batteries... you have to do that yourself :) [07:35] needs some physical work [07:35] move hand [07:35] "sudo mv mouse dock" [08:23] what kind of kernel does lubuntu use? (and please don't say "linux") [08:23] 32bit :D [08:23] or if you're using that AMD64 test iso [08:23] you have 64bit kernel! [08:24] ... [08:24] could you specify more [08:24] don't [08:25] Does it use the same kernel as Ubuntu? [08:25] there's this generic kernel, then there's PAE-kernel and even realtime kernel [08:25] poltak, ofcourse it uses the same kernel as ubuntu, or kubuntu or even the xubuntu uses [08:25] we use the same repository [08:25] don't [08:25] the only difference between ubuntu and lubuntu is that candy what you see on your desktop [08:26] and the name [08:26] and bunch of more lightweight applications that's shipped [08:30] poltak, but I give you props for that Linux comment ;) [08:30] hi here, what the command to start lxfe panel again ? start lfce-panel seem not the good one [08:30] :) [08:31] lxpanel --profile Lubuntu [08:31] thx bioterror =) [08:31] lighta, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/FAQ bookmarks it ;) [08:32] yep eh I found it weird one panel stuck wasn't easy to start app again [08:32] I mean I used formally xfce, I just add to do right clic then navigate to app but here na ! had to do the way in usr/bin/ lol [08:33] bioterror: I reject your prop [08:41] Hey lookk, my mouse works again now [08:41] \o/ [08:48] Great head_victim :) [09:26] If anyone is ever looking for a good book to buy that wants to learn about linux and sys admin stuff http://www.apress.com/9781430219125 is awesome [09:27] It's more beginner than pro but still awesome for learners like me [10:10] hmm where can I find bash alias'? I thought I'd fixed the colour problem but find and ls and stuff still have colours :/ [10:10] /etc/bash.bashrc [10:14] Nothing in there at all [10:14] really [10:14] Well nothing colour related [10:14] Thu08:23* By default, Ubuntu and Lubuntu set alias ls=ls --color=auto (in .etc/skel/.bashrc [10:15] unset color_prompt force_color_prompt [10:18] I think that's doing something [10:18] Nah found it [10:18] Sorry I should look at the whole file first [10:18] you should use find! [10:18] Yeah was trying to be lazy in nano === palhmbs is now known as palhmbs_ [12:12] hi [12:15] Gday silverarrow [12:23] hi head [12:24] lol [12:24] hi head [12:26] I'm considering downloading opera, or grease monkey, and hopefully make them play youtube videos [12:31] silverarrow: chromium doesnt work? [12:31] good luck with Opera [12:31] try facebook for example with Opera and you will notice nice CPU load [12:31] it's suppose to be difficult with chromium, but opera and grease monkey are possible [12:32] true lol [12:32] opera is a bit taxing, but fire fox is even worse [12:32] I liked MacGyver when he had that pocket knife, but then again Opera is horrible [12:33] yeah, maybe on the very tiny computers [12:33] MacGyver did awesome things with this knife, but Opera is a worse in everything [12:33] as a browser, as a mail client, as a what ever [12:33] it is? [12:34] silverarrow, try midori [12:34] give it a chance [12:34] when I did research on the library, and had all kinds of online books, documents and flash streams going, Opera was the only one that never crashed [12:36] in Puppy linux opera ran very smoothly on minimal systems, when fire fox didn't [12:36] but now, I am in lubuntu, so maybe not opera then [12:36] Chrome likes RAM [12:36] that's for sure [12:37] or Chromium [12:37] try midori [12:37] chromium works fine, and I have only 1GB right now [12:37] did you install midori? [12:37] adobe doesn't run smoothly, but vlc does for some reason [12:38] midori is lovely [12:38] I am opening package manager ;- ) [12:38] silverarrow, sudo apt-get install midori [12:38] it's that easy ;) [12:38] lol [12:39] I yesterday saw once again wacom users [12:39] and they said I would never use mouse again if I tried to use wacom for a week [12:40] bioterror: your point? [12:40] now I have midori [12:43] do you draw a lot? [12:43] silverarrow, how does it play? [12:43] silverarrow, I dont draw, but those guys downstairs draws [12:43] and when I get to their computers, it's like ":D" [12:43] lol [12:44] yeah, it can be fun [12:44] you keep that pen above that board and try to click by movign pen down :D [12:46] hmm, midori is veeeryyy slow [12:46] is it? [12:46] should be fast like greased lightning [12:46] perhaps just the few seconds, [12:46] silverarrow: you should probably use links if midori's too slow for you [12:46] it seems to run fine now [12:46] poltak, +1 ;D [12:46] links -g [12:48] I mean, it looks like it was slow only in the very beginning, but not now [12:49] weird thing is that Opera was really quick in Puppy Linux [12:49] as I said, try facebook with opera and you will notice that it uses lots of cpu [12:49] while chromium for example uses almost nothing at all [12:49] I will [12:49] but then again, if I use speedtest.net with chromium [12:49] my cpu usage is around 60-80% :D [12:50] and I have slow AMD Athlon X2 2.7GHz [12:50] seems like I need more cores [12:50] chromium was really bad in puppy, for some reason, [12:51] at least on the computer I had then [12:51] but in lubuntu, it works fine [12:52] I used to like firefox, had it for years, but then I got used to opera, [12:53] on my ubuntu computer I had firefox and xp computer opera [12:53] like googles sync more than opera's sync [12:53] I get everything synced with chromium and chrome [12:54] no big hustle with those [12:54] internet explorer wasn't the best there for a while, but the latest versions have pretty much fixed a lot of problems [12:54] it's still slow [12:54] no matter what kind of hw you have, it's slow [12:54] and I bet IE9 is still a security risk [12:54] yes, a bit slow, especially at startup [12:55] (I just picked up a laptop for reinstallation becouse of malmware/virus ;) [12:55] safety is an issu [12:55] I [12:55] I'm now making new images with chrome and firefox 4 installed [12:56] cool [12:56] is fire fox the safest still? [12:56] I dont have any problems with Chrome [12:56] I never had anything in opera, and I had trend micro then [12:58] with the linix distros I have had I never installed antivirus [12:58] that's becouse there's only few of them and those are not active [12:58] all you have is mostly remote exploits [12:58] you need to run those [12:58] and some holes in softwares :) [12:59] but they get fixed rather fast [12:59] you're pretty safe when you're not having open ports to outworld [13:00] if you have sshd for example, you just remember to disable root login and have a little more tricky username instead of firstname and password that has big letter, number and has more than 6 marks [13:00] small things matters [13:01] noted [13:01] and you can install fail2ban or denyhosts [13:01] I have denyhosts installed [13:01] I have to google it [13:01] cat /etc/hosts.deny |wc -l [13:01] 16885 [13:02] ;) [13:04] and from the last 4 days [13:04] sudo cat /var/log/auth.log |grep refused |wc -l [13:04] 51 [13:04] what I like about firefox and chromium is the toolbar bookmarks, you can have only the logo, no title text [13:05] very cool [13:08] thanks for the new info [13:08] I have to leave now [13:08] have a fine day [13:08] thanks for all the help [13:44] What's the best way to add an app launcher to the taskbar? [13:44] what kind of app [13:45] you have it installed? [13:45] bioterror: Things from the, "Accessories" menu. [13:45] you right click that taskbar, you edit that lauched application and you add an item to it [13:45] launcher [13:46] if I remember right [13:46] I dont have lxpanel near me atm. ;) [13:47] Hmm...doesn't seem to be very intuitive... [13:48] Argh! Kupfer stopped working! [13:48] it was working fine yesterday [13:49] it pops up on ctrl+space but I can't type anything [13:49] wrong channel, I know... but still :| [13:49] bioterror: I right-click the taskbar and the only thing that looks promising is a menu item that says, "Add/Remove panel items" so I select that. From there, I get a window with a bunch of things that don't lead me to the items in, "Accessories" so it doesn't seem to be possible. [13:50] uhm what's was the problem? [13:51] Neosano: Was your question directed at me? [13:51] I'll buut my 10.10 pendrive [13:51] rob_p, yeah ^^ [13:51] Neosano: What's the best way to add an app launcher to the taskbar? [13:51] o_o [13:52] Neosano: I just want to put a launcher for lxterminal in my taskbar. [13:52] add remove panel items/add/application launch bar [13:52] then click on the launch bar, then click Edit [13:52] hmmm [13:52] right click panel [13:52] panel settings [13:52] choose panel applets tab [13:53] there's application launcher bar [13:53] choose chat active and edit [13:53] bioterror, hmm, does it work ok from your pendrive? [13:53] I assume you can figure out the rest [13:53] Neosano, ofcourse it does, I made that stick ;) [13:53] bioterror, mine freezes sometimes. :\ [13:53] bioterror, just for a sec or two.. [13:54] bioterror: Neosano: Oh, now I see what was happening. I added launchbars but they need to be edited... [13:54] rob_p, yeah ^.^ you can right click your launch bars directly from the panel [13:55] bioterror: Neosano: Slightly unintuitive but now that I know the process, seems easy enough. Thanks for the help. [13:55] bioterror, especially 5 minutes after the boot.. shouldn't it work faster than from a hdd? [13:55] no [14:08] usb stick is slower than hdd ;) [14:13] damn.. then is there a way to minimize disk usage? [14:48] live cd will not boot into gui [14:48] what's the error [14:49] well........once you boot the live cd it enters black and white screen command mode [14:50] hmm [14:50] error occurs when I enter command: startx [14:50] hmmmm [14:50] herp n derp [14:50] I say [14:50] !mini | budo [14:50] budo: The Minimal CD image is very small in size, and it downloads most packages from the Internet during installation, allowing you to select only those you want (the installer is like the one on the !Alternate CD). See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD [14:50] try minimal installation [14:50] install from that and we might have better resources to try fix the problem [14:51] once you have minimal installation installed, you can say "sudo apt-get install lubuntu-desktop --no-install-recommends" [14:53] okay umm is this a try out version? [14:53] try out lubuntu without installing it on the hard drive? [14:53] no [14:53] you will install ubuntu wit minimal installation [14:53] and then fetch all the lubuntu stuff [14:53] I rather try to fix a working installation than LiveCD session [14:54] oh ok hmm [14:55] lbuntu is very slim and fast, right? [14:57] yes [14:57] and remember to first run "sudo apt-get update" [14:57] before you install lubuntu-desktop ;) [14:59] well....i'll need to back up some files b4 i get started, brb [15:57] hi [15:58] yesterday I installed lubuntu to my new harddrive, and happen to burn the old version, but updated to the new one right away [15:59] now I am trying to figure out how to make videoplayer work properly, if I have all the restricted packages I need [16:01] install vlc, easieräää [16:01] easier... even [16:01] I have marked of for the restricted extras and plugins [16:01] I did [16:01] if you dont have anything against qt [16:01] VLC is my favorite [16:02] it doesn't play torrent dowloads [16:02] it plays anything you throw at it [16:02] yeah, usually [16:02] what kind of pr0n have you leeched? [16:02] this old movie I downloaded plays in the gnome player [16:02] and old scary movie [16:02] hmmm [16:03] I thought it was the version plaing in the movies now, but it turned out to be an old one [16:03] would you download a car if you could? [16:04] I also dowloaded Red Riding Hood, but neither of them takes the rar stuff [16:04] hahaha [16:04] neither gnome or vlc [16:04] thats becouse they are compressed [16:04] yeah, funny, but I needed to have something to play and try out [16:04] unrar x fooooooo.rar [16:05] xbmc actually handles those [16:05] fyi [16:05] hmm, I have opened rar in vlc before, but I cannot remember what I did [16:05] stupid scene releases [16:05] yes [16:06] after unpacking rm *.r* [16:09] the dvd player is not working either [16:09] hmm [16:09] do I need more than the restricted packages found in package manager? [16:11] somehow it does read the dvd, I can see a list of stuff when opening as a folder [16:11] libdvdcss2 or what was it [16:11] !dvd [16:11]