[04:28] <ScottK> tim: You're probably better off installing Debian.
[04:31] <tim> i agree
[04:31] <tim> when i installed ubuntu many moons ago, it was because the installer had the firmware bundled with it, whereas debian needed the ethernet firmware
[06:36] <dcarr_home> rsalveti: ping
[06:38] <dcarr_home> Does anyone here know which tool chain I should be using to cross compile for the Ubuntu 11.04 ARM build?
[06:38] <dcarr_home> I am not having a merry old time with the standard code sourcery toolchains I use for all my other targets; I get of host of undefined symbols
[06:57] <dcarr_home> Does anyone know why there are spans of libraries inside of a arm-linux-gnueabi folder inside of /usr/lib
[06:57] <dcarr_home> I have never seen this convention used before; not even in the Ubuntu 10.10 image I ran on the panda board
[06:58] <dcarr_home> Again, any insight would be appreciated as this kind of info makes for labourious googling
[06:58]  * dcarr_home will barter Qt knowledge for insight into the mores of Ubuntu cross compilaiton 
[08:02] <dcarr_home> anyone willing/able to lend a hand with a linking issue?
[08:11] <ppisati> rsalveti: it seems i was using an x-loader from a bete image
[08:11] <ppisati> rsalveti: i'll check later
[08:20] <ndec> rsalveti: hi
[08:21] <ndec> rsalveti: i have been told that glmark-es crashes X on 11.04 (during the shader tests). are you aware of this?
[08:49] <dcarr_home> rsalveti: ping
[09:13] <amitk> ogra_: know about http://trimslice.com/web/ ? It seems to have native sata
[09:31] <dcarr_home> Would people expect the -B <dir> argument supplied to a cross compiler to adequate adjust the search dirs to successfully cross compile for ubuntu targets?
[09:31] <dcarr_home> I am trying to use a standard code sourcery compiler, is this stupid of me?
[09:31] <dcarr_home> is there any way to make it work?
[09:31] <dcarr_home> Again, any help would be greatly appreciated
[09:34] <ogra_> dcarr_home, seen the topic ? there is a link about cross building
[09:34] <ogra_> beyond that, hrw is the cross compiler expert here in the channel
[09:35] <dcarr_home> ogra_: Thanks for the response. I glanced over the documentation, and it indicated how to set up an entire environment for cross compiling all of Ubuntu
[09:35] <hrw> dcarr_home: ok, one by one
[09:36] <dcarr_home> ogra_: I have your rootfs, it would be nice to use a standard code sourcery compiler
[09:36] <hrw> dcarr_home: 'apt-get install gcc-arm-linux-gnueabi' will give you cross toolchain
[09:36] <hrw> gcc/g++/gfortran/gobjc/gobjc++ are available
[09:37] <dcarr_home> hrw: That is convenient, and it is very nice, but requires one to use Ubuntu as his primary dev machine
[09:37] <hrw> dcarr_home: /usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabi/ on arm board is result of multiarch which allows to install more then one arch libs on system
[09:37]  * dcarr_home is a Troll (Trolltech residue)
[09:37] <hrw> dcarr_home: I will work on providing our toolchain for other linux systems and then also for windows
[09:37] <hrw> dcarr_home: so @nokia or not anymore?
[09:38] <dcarr_home> hrw: I was surprised that I could not simply adjust the search dirs to handle the additional arm-linux-gnueabi
[09:38] <dcarr_home> hrw: Still at Nokia
[09:38] <dcarr_home> hrw: We tend to stick
[09:39] <dcarr_home> hrw: I am failing with this:
[09:39] <dcarr_home> /opt/toolchains/arm-2011.03-41-arm-none-linux-gnueabi/bin/arm-none-linux-gnueabi-g++ --sysroot=/opt/rootfs/ti/omap4/ubuntu11.04 -B /opt/rootfs/ti/omap4/ubuntu11.04/usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabi -B /opt/rootfs/ti/omap4/ubuntu11.04/lib/arm-linux-gnueabi foo
[09:40] <dcarr_home> hrw: I am a little unsettled as our resident guru indicated I should compile g++ myself using your arguments
[09:40] <dcarr_home> as if it were impossible to override the necessary configure time options at runtime
[09:41] <hrw> looks like multiarch change broke some external toolchains
[09:41]  * dcarr_home is surprised g++ would lack provisions for runtime configuration. (qmake hardcoding always seemed evil)
[09:42] <dcarr_home> hrw: Thanks for the answers
[09:42] <dcarr_home> I will install it on a local box
[09:42] <dcarr_home> and swipe it across to my arch machine
[09:43]  * dcarr_home wants to demo his Panda board at Meego Conf
[09:44] <dcarr_home> The 11.04 build looks pretty damn nice on first inspection
[09:44] <ogra_> well, the SD card slowness bites a bit during demos
[09:45] <dcarr_home> ogra_: I can believe it
[09:45] <dcarr_home> ogra_: The Intel targets I get tend to ship with full sata drives for this very reason
[09:45] <ogra_> if you really want to demo, i would actually recommend to find a fast usb key, format that and copy the second SD partition onto it
[09:46] <ogra_> (after running the complete install on the sd indeed)
[09:46] <dcarr_home> ogra_: Thanks, that is what we do in general although I  have not done so on the Panda to date
[09:47] <ogra_> you will need to edit root= in /boot/boot.script and run sudo flash-kernel to have the system pick up the change
[09:47] <ogra_> .oO( why dont we have a wikipage for that )
[09:48] <dcarr_home> ogra_: You dudes have ample wiki pages :)
[09:48] <dcarr_home> wiki is where information goes to perish
[09:49] <ogra_> well, its still easier to point to a wikipage than having to type the above every time :)
[09:50] <ogra_> as long as i know the page is correct at least
[09:50] <dcarr_home> ogra_: If it makes you feel any better, people keep on being bitten by Qt's default options
[09:51] <dcarr_home> Especially companies from a historically non-Linux background
[09:51] <dcarr_home> People keep on being hit by the same damn issues
[09:51] <dcarr_home> ogra_: So our documentation of best practises also clearly bites
[09:52] <ogra_> or its hidden to well :)
[09:53] <ogra_> (ours clearly is)
[10:05] <dcarr_home> sudo debootstrap --arch amd64 natty . http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu
[10:05] <dcarr_home> yum
[12:17] <rsalveti> morning
[12:18] <rsalveti> ndec: yup, that's exactly what I'm currently debugging
[12:19] <ndec> rsalveti: ah... so you knew about this...
[12:19] <ndec> cool
[14:14] <rsalveti> ogra_: any idea when we'll get a fix for bug 746023?
[14:14] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 746023 in alsa-utils "No sound on omap4" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/746023
[14:14] <rsalveti> don't know if you're still planning to fix it
[15:33] <rsalveti> ogra_: asking again, any idea when we'll get a fix for bug 746023?
[15:33] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 746023 in alsa-utils "No sound on omap4" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/746023
[15:33] <rsalveti> or if you're still planning to work on it
[15:59] <ogra_> rsalveti, well, feel free to grab it if you have a quick fix, else, yes, i will try to fix it
[16:01] <rsalveti> ogra_: ok, just wanted to know if it was at your todo list :-)
[21:45] <innovacion> Hi, boys I wish to know if it is possible install Ubuntu 10.04 in ARM Cortex iMX515
[21:45] <innovacion> Hi, boys I wish to know if it is possible install Ubuntu 10.04 in ARM Cortex iMX515?
[21:45] <steev> innovacion: yes, as long as you have a kernel for it
[21:46] <GrueMaster> 10.04 was lucid, so yes.
[21:46] <GrueMaster> We supported lucid on the babbage3 (imx51).
[21:46] <persia> Well, the 10.04 kernel for i.MX51 was kinda specific to a certain board: it may need some hackery to run on other boards.
[21:49] <innovacion> Do you know something link guide? wiki ?
[21:50] <persia> innovacion, How does your device boot?
[21:52] <persia> If you can boot from SD *AND* your device is sufficiently supported by the kernel used for the Babbage reference board (I believe it was TO3), you can try the image at http://releases.ubuntu.com/10.04/
[21:52] <innovacion> Jejeje ;), I am thinking to buy tablet PC, with ARM Cortex 8, 1 GHz,  512 MB ram.
[21:52] <persia> Ah, OK.  That's *completely* different.
[21:53] <innovacion> But I don't like android, I wish install ubuntu or debian.
[21:53] <persia> We don't currently have any decent guides for installing Ubuntu on ${RETAIL_DEVICE}.
[21:54] <persia> Generally folk rely on the user communities for their device, and then semi-manually inject Ubuntu onto the target.
[21:55] <innovacion> Yes, I used google in spanish an english and i don't find nothing good
[21:55] <persia> The main issue is that, for the most part, each and every device has a different process by which one needs to do an install.
[21:56] <persia> And it can be even more complicated, because many devices are not designed to boot from alternate media to install, so one needs to follow a wide variety of "restore" procedures, with device-specific hackery along the way.
[21:57] <persia> I would suggest *against* trying to run 10.04 on any retail tablet.  If you're willing to run 11.04 or newer (depending on when you get the tablet), your chances are substantially increased.
[21:57] <persia> In this case, I'd recommend picking a tablet where the community around that tablet has already established what needs to be done to perform the install.
[21:58] <persia> (and eventually we'll get documentation, but the documentation for Ubuntu on the N900 is still *very* rough, and people have been installing alternate environments on that since it was released)
[21:59] <innovacion> Ok, the ubuntu version can be 11.04 or 10.10 or debian, the most important is that I can install it linux ".debs"
[21:59] <persia> You very much can do this.
[21:59] <persia> Precisely how you do this depends entirely on the device (not the SoC, but the specific device)
[22:03] <innovacion> Ok, So then  should be  I to try with several ubuntu or kernels versions ?
[22:03] <persia> Check the user community for your device.
[22:04] <GrueMaster> innovacion: Do you already have this device?
[22:04] <persia> See if someone else has done an install on the device.
[22:04] <persia> Then follow those directions.  Be aware that this may be tricky, and isn't yet entirely well supported.
[22:04] <persia> We can help some, but we're not yet at the point where we can confidently state that any released version of Ubuntu works properly on any retail device.
[22:06] <persia> (although we're *really* close for the Efika SB, the AC 100/Dynabook AZ, and the N900)
[22:08] <innovacion> Gure: No I don't have, I think to buy a Chinese Tablet with ARM with Cortex 8 iMX515, and Android?
[22:08] <innovacion> Gure: No I don't have, I think to buy a Chinese Tablet with ARM with Cortex 8 iMX515, and Android
[22:10] <GrueMaster> Personally I would shy away from them.  I have read bad reviews (like the battery never charging and unable to boot when it goes flat).
[22:10] <GrueMaster> But your mileage may vary.
[22:11] <GrueMaster> There are a few tablets that have nVidia Tegra cpus that have been reported to work with Ubuntu (with some hacking).
[22:12] <GrueMaster> If you don't already have one, do some more research.  Unless you really want to hack one up yourself.
[22:13] <innovacion> Nvidia Tegra uhmmm...., good information, I will think about it
[22:15] <innovacion> I am semi-noob and semi-expert linux, but so the I think that hack one Chinese tablet is all challenge
[22:16] <GrueMaster> Well, the software part is one thing.  Having to hack the hardware just to keep it working is another.
[22:17] <GrueMaster> I did a little research, and came up with a nook color from barnes & noble. Only in North America unfortunately, but easily hackable.
[22:18] <GrueMaster> And I'm sure there are more options available to european and Asian markets.