[04:28] tim: You're probably better off installing Debian. [04:31] i agree [04:31] when i installed ubuntu many moons ago, it was because the installer had the firmware bundled with it, whereas debian needed the ethernet firmware === LyNX is now known as Guest55274 [06:36] rsalveti: ping [06:38] Does anyone here know which tool chain I should be using to cross compile for the Ubuntu 11.04 ARM build? [06:38] I am not having a merry old time with the standard code sourcery toolchains I use for all my other targets; I get of host of undefined symbols [06:57] Does anyone know why there are spans of libraries inside of a arm-linux-gnueabi folder inside of /usr/lib [06:57] I have never seen this convention used before; not even in the Ubuntu 10.10 image I ran on the panda board [06:58] Again, any insight would be appreciated as this kind of info makes for labourious googling [06:58] * dcarr_home will barter Qt knowledge for insight into the mores of Ubuntu cross compilaiton [08:02] anyone willing/able to lend a hand with a linking issue? [08:11] rsalveti: it seems i was using an x-loader from a bete image [08:11] rsalveti: i'll check later [08:20] rsalveti: hi [08:21] rsalveti: i have been told that glmark-es crashes X on 11.04 (during the shader tests). are you aware of this? [08:49] rsalveti: ping [09:13] ogra_: know about http://trimslice.com/web/ ? It seems to have native sata [09:31] Would people expect the -B argument supplied to a cross compiler to adequate adjust the search dirs to successfully cross compile for ubuntu targets? [09:31] I am trying to use a standard code sourcery compiler, is this stupid of me? [09:31] is there any way to make it work? [09:31] Again, any help would be greatly appreciated [09:34] dcarr_home, seen the topic ? there is a link about cross building [09:34] beyond that, hrw is the cross compiler expert here in the channel [09:35] ogra_: Thanks for the response. I glanced over the documentation, and it indicated how to set up an entire environment for cross compiling all of Ubuntu [09:35] dcarr_home: ok, one by one [09:36] ogra_: I have your rootfs, it would be nice to use a standard code sourcery compiler [09:36] dcarr_home: 'apt-get install gcc-arm-linux-gnueabi' will give you cross toolchain [09:36] gcc/g++/gfortran/gobjc/gobjc++ are available [09:37] hrw: That is convenient, and it is very nice, but requires one to use Ubuntu as his primary dev machine [09:37] dcarr_home: /usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabi/ on arm board is result of multiarch which allows to install more then one arch libs on system [09:37] * dcarr_home is a Troll (Trolltech residue) [09:37] dcarr_home: I will work on providing our toolchain for other linux systems and then also for windows [09:37] dcarr_home: so @nokia or not anymore? [09:38] hrw: I was surprised that I could not simply adjust the search dirs to handle the additional arm-linux-gnueabi [09:38] hrw: Still at Nokia [09:38] hrw: We tend to stick [09:39] hrw: I am failing with this: [09:39] /opt/toolchains/arm-2011.03-41-arm-none-linux-gnueabi/bin/arm-none-linux-gnueabi-g++ --sysroot=/opt/rootfs/ti/omap4/ubuntu11.04 -B /opt/rootfs/ti/omap4/ubuntu11.04/usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabi -B /opt/rootfs/ti/omap4/ubuntu11.04/lib/arm-linux-gnueabi foo [09:40] hrw: I am a little unsettled as our resident guru indicated I should compile g++ myself using your arguments [09:40] as if it were impossible to override the necessary configure time options at runtime [09:41] looks like multiarch change broke some external toolchains [09:41] * dcarr_home is surprised g++ would lack provisions for runtime configuration. (qmake hardcoding always seemed evil) [09:42] hrw: Thanks for the answers [09:42] I will install it on a local box [09:42] and swipe it across to my arch machine [09:43] * dcarr_home wants to demo his Panda board at Meego Conf [09:44] The 11.04 build looks pretty damn nice on first inspection [09:44] well, the SD card slowness bites a bit during demos [09:45] ogra_: I can believe it [09:45] ogra_: The Intel targets I get tend to ship with full sata drives for this very reason [09:45] if you really want to demo, i would actually recommend to find a fast usb key, format that and copy the second SD partition onto it [09:46] (after running the complete install on the sd indeed) [09:46] ogra_: Thanks, that is what we do in general although I have not done so on the Panda to date [09:47] you will need to edit root= in /boot/boot.script and run sudo flash-kernel to have the system pick up the change [09:47] .oO( why dont we have a wikipage for that ) [09:48] ogra_: You dudes have ample wiki pages :) [09:48] wiki is where information goes to perish [09:49] well, its still easier to point to a wikipage than having to type the above every time :) [09:50] as long as i know the page is correct at least [09:50] ogra_: If it makes you feel any better, people keep on being bitten by Qt's default options [09:51] Especially companies from a historically non-Linux background [09:51] People keep on being hit by the same damn issues [09:51] ogra_: So our documentation of best practises also clearly bites [09:52] or its hidden to well :) [09:53] (ours clearly is) [10:05] sudo debootstrap --arch amd64 natty . http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu [10:05] yum [12:17] morning [12:18] ndec: yup, that's exactly what I'm currently debugging [12:19] rsalveti: ah... so you knew about this... [12:19] cool [14:14] ogra_: any idea when we'll get a fix for bug 746023? [14:14] Launchpad bug 746023 in alsa-utils "No sound on omap4" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/746023 [14:14] don't know if you're still planning to fix it [15:33] ogra_: asking again, any idea when we'll get a fix for bug 746023? [15:33] Launchpad bug 746023 in alsa-utils "No sound on omap4" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/746023 [15:33] or if you're still planning to work on it === prpplague is now known as prpplague^2 [15:59] rsalveti, well, feel free to grab it if you have a quick fix, else, yes, i will try to fix it [16:01] ogra_: ok, just wanted to know if it was at your todo list :-) === zyga is now known as zyga-afk === LyNX is now known as Guest81386 [21:45] Hi, boys I wish to know if it is possible install Ubuntu 10.04 in ARM Cortex iMX515 [21:45] Hi, boys I wish to know if it is possible install Ubuntu 10.04 in ARM Cortex iMX515? [21:45] innovacion: yes, as long as you have a kernel for it [21:46] 10.04 was lucid, so yes. [21:46] We supported lucid on the babbage3 (imx51). [21:46] Well, the 10.04 kernel for i.MX51 was kinda specific to a certain board: it may need some hackery to run on other boards. [21:49] Do you know something link guide? wiki ? [21:50] innovacion, How does your device boot? [21:52] If you can boot from SD *AND* your device is sufficiently supported by the kernel used for the Babbage reference board (I believe it was TO3), you can try the image at http://releases.ubuntu.com/10.04/ [21:52] Jejeje ;), I am thinking to buy tablet PC, with ARM Cortex 8, 1 GHz, 512 MB ram. [21:52] Ah, OK. That's *completely* different. [21:53] But I don't like android, I wish install ubuntu or debian. [21:53] We don't currently have any decent guides for installing Ubuntu on ${RETAIL_DEVICE}. [21:54] Generally folk rely on the user communities for their device, and then semi-manually inject Ubuntu onto the target. [21:55] Yes, I used google in spanish an english and i don't find nothing good [21:55] The main issue is that, for the most part, each and every device has a different process by which one needs to do an install. [21:56] And it can be even more complicated, because many devices are not designed to boot from alternate media to install, so one needs to follow a wide variety of "restore" procedures, with device-specific hackery along the way. [21:57] I would suggest *against* trying to run 10.04 on any retail tablet. If you're willing to run 11.04 or newer (depending on when you get the tablet), your chances are substantially increased. [21:57] In this case, I'd recommend picking a tablet where the community around that tablet has already established what needs to be done to perform the install. [21:58] (and eventually we'll get documentation, but the documentation for Ubuntu on the N900 is still *very* rough, and people have been installing alternate environments on that since it was released) [21:59] Ok, the ubuntu version can be 11.04 or 10.10 or debian, the most important is that I can install it linux ".debs" [21:59] You very much can do this. [21:59] Precisely how you do this depends entirely on the device (not the SoC, but the specific device) [22:03] Ok, So then should be I to try with several ubuntu or kernels versions ? [22:03] Check the user community for your device. [22:04] innovacion: Do you already have this device? [22:04] See if someone else has done an install on the device. [22:04] Then follow those directions. Be aware that this may be tricky, and isn't yet entirely well supported. [22:04] We can help some, but we're not yet at the point where we can confidently state that any released version of Ubuntu works properly on any retail device. [22:06] (although we're *really* close for the Efika SB, the AC 100/Dynabook AZ, and the N900) [22:08] Gure: No I don't have, I think to buy a Chinese Tablet with ARM with Cortex 8 iMX515, and Android? [22:08] Gure: No I don't have, I think to buy a Chinese Tablet with ARM with Cortex 8 iMX515, and Android [22:10] Personally I would shy away from them. I have read bad reviews (like the battery never charging and unable to boot when it goes flat). [22:10] But your mileage may vary. [22:11] There are a few tablets that have nVidia Tegra cpus that have been reported to work with Ubuntu (with some hacking). [22:12] If you don't already have one, do some more research. Unless you really want to hack one up yourself. [22:13] Nvidia Tegra uhmmm...., good information, I will think about it [22:15] I am semi-noob and semi-expert linux, but so the I think that hack one Chinese tablet is all challenge [22:16] Well, the software part is one thing. Having to hack the hardware just to keep it working is another. [22:17] I did a little research, and came up with a nook color from barnes & noble. Only in North America unfortunately, but easily hackable. [22:18] And I'm sure there are more options available to european and Asian markets.