[03:13] <head_victim> sagaci: pong
[05:18] <sagaci> head_victim, pingading
[05:18] <head_victim> sagaci: pongadong ;)
[05:20] <sagaci> i'd like to put my hand up for chairing the meeting(s) if nisshh is unavailable or the spot is still vacant
[05:20] <head_victim> Sounds fantastic
[05:20] <head_victim> Do you know how to use the meeting bot we use?
[05:20] <sagaci> not really, but i'd like to learn how
[05:21] <head_victim> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ScribesTeam/MootBot describes it better than I ever could
[05:22] <head_victim> And what I would like from chairpeople (and like I said 2 - 3 is probably optimal to share around the time) is to do all the admin work for meetings as well. But I've also documented that process as well
[05:23] <sagaci> yep
[05:25] <head_victim> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/Meetings/ToDoList
[05:25] <head_victim> It's not heaps of work but it's enough that I think it needs more than one person to cover in case you can't make one particular meeting
[05:28] <gorilla> that also allows people to be a fly on the wall occasionally. :-)
[05:28] <head_victim> gorilla: indeed :)
[05:46] <head_victim> sagaci: so if you like you can chair the one upcoming June 12th if you're able to attend? (I should be at that one myself to help guide you and we can do practice runs as well if you like)
[05:49] <gorilla> head_victim: I am happy to heckle at a practice run. :-P
[05:51] <head_victim> Haha actually running a good meeting isn't always easy. I was at another team's meeting recently and without a strong chairperson it quickly fell into a waste of time for all. I'd actually stayed up until 8am after a night shift for it and wasn't happy it deteriorated into something I wish I never attended.
[05:52] <gorilla> head_victim: yeah.. I heard you on that one.. at lease a face to face meeting someone can turn around and say STFU or go outside.
[05:53] <head_victim> Yep but it's just a matter of konwing where to draw the line
[05:53] <sagaci> head_victim, yep, sure
[05:53] <gorilla> I guess it could be enforced by devoicing someone for a minute or two.
[05:54] <head_victim> sagaci: Well I've already created the meeting on loco.u.c and sent the first email but if you want to pick up from there.
[05:54] <head_victim> sagaci: and again, not all this stuff has to happen immediately or on the same day (re the ToDoList) but as long as it's done in enough time to allow everyone in the team to contribute no matter if they're going to attend or just talk on the list.
[05:56] <head_victim> cd /
[05:56] <head_victim> Hah - wrong screen ;)
[05:56] <head_victim> Thank goodness there were no password
[06:01] <sagaci> head_victim, do you use gnome-terminal?
[06:02] <head_victim> sagaci: currently lxterminal on this pc
[06:03] <sagaci> guake runs well on lxde
[06:03]  * head_victim googles guake
[06:04] <sagaci> drop down terminal
[06:04] <sagaci> add it to startup apps and change the toggle to the menu key and it's the handiest terminal around
[06:05] <sagaci> yakuake for kde
[06:07] <sagaci> head_victim, http://i.imgur.com/qnvOh.png
[06:08] <head_victim> Looks ok
[06:08] <sagaci> i like my size 20 font
[06:08] <head_victim> I don't mind the default stuff, it's hooked into shortcuts well without changing them, etc.
[06:08] <head_victim> I just want to dispose of these colours
[06:08] <sagaci> shortcut, such as?
[06:08] <head_victim> alt fhist t
[06:08] <head_victim> shift*
[06:09] <sagaci> oh ok
[06:09] <sagaci> guake is the first thing I install after a fresh install... I can't use my computer without it
[06:10] <head_victim> I don't actually use terminal for lots, just updates and ssh really
[06:10] <sagaci> text editing?
[06:10] <head_victim> Not heaps
[06:10] <sagaci> I get better performance out of mplayer than any GUI mediaplayer i've used
[06:11] <sagaci> for video
[06:11] <head_victim> A bit of rsync and most of my config stuff is already there from keeping my /home and well, I can't code so there's none of that
[06:11] <head_victim> I rarely watch video on my pc that isn't online and for audio I just use exaile
[06:12] <sagaci> so I guess you're using xchat?
[06:12] <head_victim> bingo ;)
[06:12] <sagaci> I used to use irssi but I've gotten used to xchat to the point when it's just nicer to use than a console irc app
[06:13] <head_victim> Unless you have a specific need for cli (eg with screen) I can't see why you'd not use a gui
[06:13] <head_victim> ls
[06:13] <head_victim> hah note to self, using a terminal screen with *always on top* is a BAD idea
[06:13] <sagaci> being a laptop, don't usually use a mouse, and don't like using touchpad
[06:21] <gorilla> head_victim: could have been worse for example: ssh myserver.example.net
[06:21] <gorilla> mypasswordisvery secret
[06:24] <head_victim> Heh I've actually been meaning to try out clicompanion it's meant to be good
[09:11] <head_victim> blahdeblah: you're with the wrong ISP according to your ausnog post ;)
[12:05] <jaddi27> head_victim, I would like to ask you a couple of things with regards to social media for Ubuntu-au
[12:05] <head_victim> jaddi27: shoot 
[12:06] <jaddi27> There is no twitter account set up from what I know - is that the case?
[12:07] <jaddi27> I ask because I think it would be a simple way to get messages out to people who use it, which seems to be an ever increasing number
[12:07] <head_victim> That's my understanding.
[12:07] <head_victim> If you had a quick double check with a search to confirm
[12:07] <head_victim> I've been led to believe you can link identica and twitter together somehow so not sure if that is an option either
[12:08] <jaddi27> Yes, I did a couple of searches and didn't find any, but just wanted to check
[12:08] <jaddi27> I haven't used identica at all, but I could look into it I guess
[12:09] <head_victim> Ok, I have been thinking of getting some social media accounts just to blurb about the team to randoms.
[12:09] <head_victim> I've got no idea how to set up groups in twitter, is it a case of just creating an account?
[12:09] <head_victim> Or can you subscribe to a group?
[12:09] <jaddi27> I think you have to have an account to set them up, but I am not really sure
[12:10] <head_victim> I guess you just then share the password with whomever you want to be able to post from it
[12:10] <jaddi27> Yes, that would be the way to do it
[12:11] <jaddi27> http://support.twitter.com/articles/76460-how-to-use-twitter-lists
[12:11] <jaddi27> I am not sure if that would be what you are thinking of
[12:12] <head_victim> Are you proficient with twitter?
[12:12] <jaddi27> Not really, but have a general idea of it
[12:13] <jaddi27> It is something I want to look into more, because it seems to be very popular as a tool to get messages out quickly, which could be quite useful
[12:13] <head_victim> Yep, I'm also keen to link it with the identica group if possible
[12:14] <head_victim> I'm all about not having to do 200 things separately if possible so one updates the other would be best. One less thing to update
[12:15] <head_victim> I'm just asking around to see what other loco's do.
[12:15] <jaddi27> Yes. Looking around just then, it looks like identica has built in support for the Twitter API, so I presume that means you post to one and it is sent to the other automatically
[12:16] <head_victim> That sounds exactly like what I'm after :) Having to update multiple accounts is tiresome
[12:16] <jaddi27> Yes, I agree with that
[12:16] <jaddi27> I know there are some clients that can post updates to multiple locations as well
[12:17] <head_victim> Cool.
[12:18] <jaddi27> Also, the Ubuntu-au Facebook page could be used a bit more to capture that market as well. I have used Tweetdeck to send post to both a Twitter account and Facebook page at the same time, so that might be an option.
[12:19] <head_victim> I like the flickr account because it's a place to put pictures and links in to loco.u.c nicely (it displays the most recent photos on the team page). The identica/twitter/facebook things are currently severely underused and the last.fm I'm not sure about.
[12:19] <jaddi27> I have never used last.fm at all (don't even know what it is)
[12:19] <head_victim> So is tweetdeck a standalone program or browser based.
[12:20] <head_victim> Last.fm is a music aggregation, shows what you're currently playing and what you've recently played.
[12:20] <jaddi27> Either. It is more of a standalone application, but they have a version for Chrome browser, as well as an Adobe Air application
[12:21] <head_victim> Available for linux?
[12:21] <jaddi27> Yes, it is
[12:21] <jaddi27> I just found this - http://www.webupd8.org/2010/09/how-to-use-tweetdeck-with-identica-w.html
[12:21] <jaddi27> It sounds just what we would want
[12:22] <head_victim> Oh no, another adobe product.
[12:22] <head_victim> I wonder if air is a little more stable than flash
[12:23] <head_victim> Hmm in the partner repositories though
[12:25] <head_victim> Installing now
[12:25] <jaddi27> I have used it a bit on Ubuntu, and it has worked fine so far
[12:26] <head_victim> Hmm it even knows how to handle lxde
[12:26] <head_victim> Created the menu and desktop items fine
[12:28] <jaddi27> I am happy to help out with the updating of the Facebook page, and the identica/Twitter ones (if we start a Twitter account, that is)
[12:28] <head_victim> Yep if we can do them both together I'm all for it
[12:29] <head_victim> Just want to make sure it's done right to start with so if you don't mind I will wait until another loco gets back to me just to make sure. Easier to organise the "right way" now than try and redo it later.
[12:29] <jaddi27> Yes, that is fine
[12:30] <head_victim> The facebook stuff, does anyone need special permissions to post to the group or can members just sign up and send it stuff?
[12:30] <head_victim> Because I know nothing about it either
[12:31] <jaddi27> To post as the page, you need to be a page admin. Anyone logged in to Facebook can add comments and make new posts to the wall of the page, but not make posts as the page itself.
[12:32] <jaddi27> To use Tweetdeck with a Facebook Page, you need to be an admin of the page you want to post as.
[12:32] <head_victim> Ah ok, thanks for clearing that up. SO essentially though anyone can post something that will get out to all members?
[12:32] <jaddi27> No, I think for it to go out to all people who 'like' the page, it has to be posted as the page
[12:33] <head_victim> Ok, that's important to know 
[12:33] <head_victim> I'm getting quite the education tonight, thanks for letting me pick your brain
[12:33] <jaddi27> That's alright
[12:33] <head_victim> I know flickr, that's the only one I have any understanding of :) Anyone can add to that group so that's easy.
[12:34] <head_victim> Half the reason of posting the new contact us page was to find out who did what and make sure they're still active enough to continue doing it.
[12:34] <jaddi27> Yes, I thought it might have been for that. It is good to see exactly who is in charge of what though, so thanks for doing it.
[12:35] <head_victim> The identica one is a group though, not a single account
[12:35] <head_victim> Yeah I had to search out a few of them and I'm almost certain it's not complete.
[12:36] <head_victim> elky: if you had a chance sometime to skim over the page I would love to see if I've missed anything - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/ContactUs as I don't really know who the mailing list moderators are and I think I've got most of the others right but not 100% sure.
[12:36] <head_victim> jaddi27: yeah it was one of the things I had had several people ask me about actually so thought it would be a good thing to get done.
[12:37] <head_victim> Now I just need to find someone to pick the brains of about identica and I think I'm almost capable of organising it all 
[12:39] <jaddi27> I guess nisshh would be the person to ask, seeing as he is the admin of the page
[12:39] <head_victim> Yeah, I think he's stepped out of the team for a bit. Once I understood it all better I was going to talk to him about organising others to help admin it.
[12:41] <jaddi27> Ok, sounds good.
[12:45] <head_victim> I've just taken the plunge and created a twitter and identica account
[12:45] <head_victim> Took a little bit of work to get the same account name
[12:45] <jaddi27> What is your account url? I could become your first follower on Twitter
[12:53] <head_victim> Facebook is taking ages. I'm spending heaps of time going through settings and locking it up :/
[12:53] <head_victim> Not that there's anything there
[12:53] <head_victim> ANd they appear to like hiding stuff in random places
[12:53] <jaddi27> Yes, I know what that is like. There are so many different options available, which is good in some aspects, but very annoying to set up
[13:03] <jaddi27> I have just realised that the Facebook page for Ubuntu Australia is actually a group, and not a page
[13:04] <head_victim> Does that change things?
[13:04] <jaddi27> That means that you cannot use Tweetdeck to post updates to it, as you can only post updates to a page
[13:05] <jaddi27> I looked into the difference between the two a while ago for a sports club, and decided that a page is better
[13:05] <head_victim> Can it be changed?
[13:05] <head_victim> Or do you have to start over?
[13:05] <jaddi27> With a page, you can get a custom URL (such as facebook.com/ubuntu-au), and you can still do most of the same things as with a group
[13:06] <jaddi27> I think you would have to start over, but it would be fairly easy to do
[13:06] <head_victim> Might be the same with identica then as well?
[13:06] <jaddi27> Yes, I think so
[13:07] <jaddi27> But after we have done it once, everything should work out a lot easier
[13:07] <jaddi27> One explanation of the differences: http://www.allfacebook.com/facebook-groups-pages-2010-02
[13:08] <head_victim> Ok, that sort of change I don't just want to do without gauging some feedback from the team.
[13:08] <jaddi27> Yes, I understand that
[13:09] <jaddi27> Should I add it to the agenda for the next meeting?
[13:09] <head_victim> Sounds like a great idea actually
[13:09] <head_victim> Just shoot the mailing list with the update to the agenda as well so those that can't actually attend can still have their say
[13:10] <jaddi27> So just an email saying that I added [insert topic here] to the agenda for the next meeting, with a brief explanation?
[13:10] <head_victim> I'd include that link as well, I know bugger all about Facebook but that's pretty informative.
[13:11] <head_victim> Yeah, feel free to reference this talk on IRC as well so if people want to come looking for the logs they can see how we came to the idea.
[13:12] <jaddi27> Ok, I will do it now
[13:13] <head_victim> Cheersa
[13:21] <jaddi27> I have added it now. Hopefully it sounds alright. I will do the email up tomorrow I think.
[13:22] <head_victim> Thanks mate, it just helps make sure those who can't make it still can participate.
[13:23] <jaddi27> That's fine. I can understand why we would want it done
[13:23] <head_victim> Well I think I'm going to head off for some dinner
[13:24] <jaddi27> Ok. I will leave now anyway to concentrate on other Uni things. Thanks for you time with all that.
[13:28] <head_victim> Thank you for helping me understand it all a bit better
[13:30] <sagaci> head_victim, so what would you like me to do about the meeting
[13:32] <head_victim> Have you read the wiki pages?
[13:32] <head_victim> We can have a practice one if you like
[13:34] <head_victim> And we can work through the items on the todo list for the upcoming one
[13:34] <sagaci> link to wiki pages?
[13:34] <sagaci> sorry, i've been in and out of this channel all day and haven't got it logged
[13:36] <head_victim> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ScribesTeam/MootBot is the information on the bot for running the meeting
[13:36] <sagaci> thatsit
[13:36] <head_victim> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/Meetings/ToDoList is the list of admin things to do behind the scenes for each meeting
[13:46] <head_victim> sagaci:  You be here in 15 - 20 mins? Was just about to knock up some dinner
[13:47] <sagaci> yeah, i'll be around till about midnight
[13:48] <head_victim> Cool, just didn't want to leave you hanging about the chairing thing
[14:16] <sagaci> well theoretically attendance should be up at the next meeting since it's on sunday afternoon and the public holiday is on the next day
[14:29] <head_victim> sagaci: cool, back with dinner now if you have questions about chairing
[14:31] <sagaci> so it's just using those commands and finding the right balance between issuing them and wait time
[14:33] <head_victim> Yeah it's important to let discussion go but make sure it stays on topic and at an adult level
[14:56] <sagaci> head_victim, ping
[14:56] <head_victim> sagaci: here mate :)
[14:57] <sagaci> so what's the process of registering a chair for a meeting, do you have to register for individual meetings?
[14:58] <head_victim> There's no official way of doing it I don't think. It's pretty much assume whoever create the event is chairing it. MootBot will respond to the person who issues the #startmeeting command as the chairperson as well.
[15:19] <head_victim> Hm speaking of which