| xelister | Hello | 01:05 |
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| xelister | I have a dream | 01:05 |
| xelister | that Ubuntu project would release Ubuntu version that is able to boot itself [always] | 01:05 |
| xelister | without being unbootable per bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/477430 | 01:05 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 477430 in grub2 (Ubuntu) "grub 2 error: out of disk. failed to boot default entries. press any key to continue... (affects: 12) (dups: 1) (heat: 50)" [High,New] | 01:05 |
| xelister | does this deam may come true one day? | 01:19 |
| micahg | xelister: I think it does in most cases, I don't there exists perfect software anywhere | 01:21 |
| xelister | yea but BOOTING SELF UP | 01:21 |
| xelister | seems like number one on todo list imo | 01:21 |
| xelister | micahg: got this on 2 boxes now | 01:21 |
| micahg | xelister: there are 980 bugs against grub2 | 01:21 |
| xelister | all resulting in system being unbootable? | 01:22 |
| xelister | its a trivial change, just remobe record_fail thing | 01:22 |
| micahg | xelister: you might want to ask in #ubuntu-installer in the morning | 01:23 |
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| jtaylor | hi, can someone nominate 782414 for natty? | 09:19 |
| vish | bug 782414 | 09:19 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 782414 in foolscap (Ubuntu) (and 2 other projects) "tahoe-lafs can't start because foolscap packaging metadata doesn't declare the fact that it supports secure_connections (affects: 4) (dups: 1) (heat: 26)" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/782414 | 09:19 |
| vish | jtaylor: is the change simple enough that it can be SRU'd ? | 09:22 |
| vish | ie, not a huge diff/major change , etc.. | 09:22 |
| jtaylor | it only adds some python egg info | 09:23 |
| jtaylor | the other stuff can be droped for the SRU | 09:23 |
| jtaylor | wrapandsort + standard bump | 09:23 |
| vish | jtaylor: yea, so we need a debdiff there if you want to get it SRU'd | 09:24 |
| vish | in the lp bug. | 09:24 |
| vish | !sru | 09:24 |
| ubot4 | Stable Release Update information is at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates | 09:24 |
| jtaylor | can you mark it as not fixed in natty? I'll create the debdiff soon | 09:25 |
| vish | i can nominate for Natty, but cant approve, that the SRU team or Core devs will be able to do | 09:25 |
| vish | not all in the SRU team have the rights yet, but basically Core devs have the rights for that | 09:26 |
| vish | jtaylor: i've nominated it for natty, but the sru procedure needs to be followed, only after that the upload will be considered.. | 09:31 |
| vish | (just so you know that nomination does not automatically put bugs in SRU radar..) | 09:31 |
| jtaylor | yes I'm aware of that, thanks | 09:31 |
| vish | np.. | 09:31 |
| jtaylor | vish: updated bug 782414, is that ok for a SRU? | 13:19 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 782414 in foolscap (Ubuntu) (and 2 other projects) "tahoe-lafs can't start because foolscap packaging metadata doesn't declare the fact that it supports secure_connections (affects: 4) (dups: 1) (heat: 26)" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/782414 | 13:19 |
| roadmr | jibel: morning! The original jason posted back on bug 772820 and it looks like he has a non-ubuntu debconf installed. should this bug then be invalid, and the duplicate delinked? (as in that one, it does have the ubuntu packages - it's the *other* jason) | 14:37 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 772820 in checkbox (Ubuntu) "package checkbox 0.11.3 failed to install/upgrade: ErrorMessage: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1 (affects: 2) (dups: 1) (heat: 16)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/772820 | 14:37 |
| jibel | Hey roadmr | 14:41 |
| jibel | roadmr, both users broke their system | 14:41 |
| jibel | roadmr, jason on 772820 installed debconf 1.5.36.1 from debian squeeze | 14:42 |
| jibel | roadmr, jason on 753243 installed debconf 1.5.38 from I don't know where, but surely not an Ubuntu package | 14:43 |
| jibel | roadmr, both are invalid | 14:43 |
| roadmr | jibel: oh, I see the package list now, yes | 14:44 |
| jibel | they are running some kind of frankensystems, that's frightening | 14:45 |
| roadmr | jibel: Jason Coplen from 753243 posted on 772820 with apt-cache policy debconf and it seems to be the version from Natty, so I guess he did a fresh install after reporting the bug | 14:46 |
| jibel | roadmr, yes, I think he fixed it in a way or another. the original report is not relevant anymore. | 14:47 |
| roadmr | jibel: would it make sense to dedupe them so I can comment on each separately? and I'd be setting both to invalid after telling the users what you determined | 14:48 |
| roadmr | jibel: or I can set 772820 to invalid and add a comment that applies to both users, maybe less bug traffic that way | 14:48 |
| jibel | roadmr, to make things properly, it's better to deduplicate and address both issue separately even if they broke their systems in a similar way. | 14:49 |
| roadmr | jibel: OK, I'll do that. Sorry to bug so much about this bug :) | 14:50 |
| jibel | roadmr, you're welcome. Thanks for helping with bugs :-) | 14:50 |
| jibel | roadmr, just a tip to quickly check the version of a package you can use rmadison | 14:53 |
| jibel | for example 'rmadison debconf' will return the availaible version of debconf in Ubuntu. | 14:53 |
| jibel | and 'rmadison -u debian debconf' the versions in debian | 14:53 |
| Pici | ♥ rmadison | 14:54 |
| roadmr | Awesome! thanks jibel! *playing with rmadison* | 14:54 |
| jklandis | I filed a bunch of detailed memory-leak bugs related to 780602 yesterday. Can someone help get patches through to the right people? | 16:31 |
| jklandis | Cyphermox emailed me about them, but I guess he isn't around right now. | 16:31 |
| jklandis | I have a limited amount of time to work on this. | 16:34 |
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| hggdh | bug 780602 | 17:38 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 780602 in network-manager-applet (Ubuntu) "nm-applet leaks memory and stops functioning after a while (affects: 4) (heat: 24)" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/780602 | 17:38 |
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| bcurtiswx | I just thought of something. I think it would be beneficial to add something to the "this bug effects me too" that asks said individual steps they took to cause the bug. Opinions? | 18:10 |
| bcurtiswx | This is especially beneficial for bugs that are hard to reproduce, I can see the potential for similarities in their responses to help find the root cause | 18:11 |
| bcurtiswx | bdmurray: ^^ | 18:13 |
| bdmurray | bcurtiswx: that sounds interesting, I'm somewhat involved at the moment though | 18:16 |
| bcurtiswx | bdmurray: Np thx :) | 18:18 |
| micahg | ugh, were we supposed to have a meeting? | 18:25 |
| bcurtiswx | What does the wiki say? | 18:26 |
| micahg | Next BugSquad Team Meeting, Thursday, May 19th, 2011, 17:00 UTC, #ubuntu-meeting | 18:27 |
| bcurtiswx | Whoops | 18:33 |
| bdmurray | whoops indeed! | 18:33 |
| bdmurray | was there anything new on the agenda? | 18:34 |
| * micahg has no idea, | 18:34 | |
| bcurtiswx | Haha I just added something without realizing it | 18:35 |
| bcurtiswx | Look ^^^ | 18:35 |
| charlie-tca | bcurtiswx: part of triage is making sure we do have steps to reproduce the bug. If there no steps for that, we should be asking the reporter to give them | 18:36 |
| bdmurray | charlie-tca: this would happen when people click affects me too | 18:36 |
| bdmurray | charlie-tca: like a pop-up saying hey what do you do to get this bug? | 18:37 |
| charlie-tca | wouldn't that make things more confusing, with 200 people giving how to reproduce the bug? | 18:37 |
| bcurtiswx | Only rarely would you get that ,any people who knew how they reproduced | 18:37 |
| charlie-tca | The idea of the "affects me too" is to cut down on comments saying I got this too | 18:37 |
| bcurtiswx | I also have another topic to bring up | 18:38 |
| bcurtiswx | Lemme get onto a better keyboard | 18:38 |
| bcurtiswx_ | charlie-tca: OK, so i don't think it would be too much to have multiple ways to reproduce the issue | 18:39 |
| bcurtiswx_ | expecially for hard-to-reproduce bugs, we could look through those to find a similarity | 18:39 |
| charlie-tca | Then we should not have the quick button, since we | 18:40 |
| charlie-tca | want them to tell us more than just that they are affected? | 18:40 |
| charlie-tca | I can agree on the "hard to do" bugs, though | 18:40 |
| charlie-tca | I think it would be noisy for those easy to reproduce ones | 18:41 |
| bcurtiswx_ | maybe having those not send e-mails out would be less noisy | 18:41 |
| bcurtiswx_ | or some type of thing for bug triagers to toggle that option on and off ? | 18:42 |
| charlie-tca | I like that toggle idea. It would really be useful on some the bugs | 18:43 |
| charlie-tca | The ones that are really easy to reproduce would not need it, those that are hard to reproduce would benefit greatly | 18:43 |
| bcurtiswx_ | so any other ideas on how to best handle something along these lines? | 18:44 |
| bdmurray | bcurtiswx: well it'd be a change in Launchpad so a launchpad bug and/or finding a community launchpad developer to help you out | 18:47 |
| charlie-tca | I think you have a good idea going there. | 18:47 |
| bcurtiswx_ | Ok second idea | 18:49 |
| bcurtiswx_ | which is anotehr LP one.. go figure.. lol | 18:50 |
| bcurtiswx_ | i'm talking in #telepathy with one of the devs, and he was having a tough time going from bug report to the code we have in ubuntu to compare line nuber of backtraces and the such | 18:50 |
| bcurtiswx_ | would it be too much of a hastle to have lp branches linked in their bugs for easy access | 18:51 |
| bcurtiswx_ | apport bugs would be best, as they can tell which repo a package was dl's from | 18:51 |
| bcurtiswx_ | non-apport would default to a branch (like code.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/empathy | 18:52 |
| bcurtiswx_ | ) | 18:52 |
| bdmurray | well related branches are supposed to be for fixes not this | 18:52 |
| bdmurray | however one interesting thing to look at might be having the retracer and in a link to the branch / line number | 18:53 |
| bdmurray | s/and/add/ | 18:53 |
| bcurtiswx_ | bdmurray: yes, that link would be great | 18:55 |
| bdmurray | bcurtiswx_: so like in bug 752449 in comment 2 is where I'm imagining it | 18:57 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 752449 in empathy (Ubuntu) "empathy crashed with SIGSEGV in empathy_event_activate() (affects: 1) (heat: 83)" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/752449 | 18:57 |
| bdmurray | I'm not sure how to establish the relationship between empathy-event-manager.c:1578 and where it is located in the source code though | 18:59 |
| bdmurray | well it looks kind of easy for empathy since its right in src/ | 19:00 |
| bdmurray | http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/natty/empathy/natty/view/head:/src/empathy-event-manager.c | 19:01 |
| bdmurray | I'm not sure that's true for every package though | 19:01 |
| bcurtiswx_ | bdmurray: yes, thats right. That would be perfect. Sorry, I got caught in a meeting i completely forgot about | 19:39 |
| bdmurray | bcurtiswx_: can you report a bug about apport about it and subscribe me? | 19:40 |
| bcurtiswx_ | both topics discussed ? | 19:42 |
| bcurtiswx_ | or just this most recent one? | 19:42 |
| bcurtiswx_ | bdmurray: ^^ + does LP have the ability to search src repos for certain files. I imagine that ability will make finding files easy | 19:48 |
| micahg | bcurtiswx: you can do that on packages.ubuntu.com | 19:48 |
| bdmurray | the apport retracer linking to source code topic | 19:48 |
| bdmurray | bcurtiswx_: I don't know know about the search | 19:48 |
| micahg | ignore me, I seem to be out of the loop | 19:48 |
| bcurtiswx_ | bdmurray: https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/785364 | 20:06 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 785364 in launchpad "bugs should include links from stacktraces to source code (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,New] | 20:06 |
| roadmr | Hey folks, can bug 784416 be set to triaged? there's output from ubiquity --debug and I can't make much sense of it but someone from ubiquity might. I'm not sure about importance though - looks pretty critical to this guy who can't use his computer :) | 20:08 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 784416 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Ubuntu 11.04 installer crash (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/784416 | 20:08 |
| persia | I'd recommend against changing anything for ubiquity bugs *unless* you're familiar: the installer developers tend to watch the bugs very closely,and get annoyed when we set things incorrectly. | 20:10 |
| roadmr | persia: thanks, should I at least move it to New status, now that the reporter posted the debug log? | 20:12 |
| bdmurray | roadmr: I'm looking at it | 20:12 |
| roadmr | bdmurray: thanks :) | 20:13 |
| persia | roadmr, For bugs against ubiquity and debian-installer, I generally don't make any changes unless I completely understand the state or one of the developers told me to make the change. I may be too conservative, but there are *lots* of packages where the developers are paying less attention, and I think I can make more of a difference. | 20:15 |
| roadmr | persia: I see your point | 20:17 |
| bdmurray | persia: have you seen how many new bugs about ubiquity there are now? | 20:18 |
| persia | bdmurray, No. As with many things, I may be behind the times. | 20:20 |
| charlie-tca | We do have quite a few now, since we got people to file new bugs instead of adding to old ones | 20:27 |
| charlie-tca | I really wish that reporter had used apport. We don't even know the date of the image now | 20:29 |
| punchedpeace | helo.... | 20:29 |
| charlie-tca | bdmurray: it is going to be difficult without the rest of the information on that report. | 20:30 |
| punchedpeace | I have an issue with my laptop, backligth is not working and all issues I see look old ..... 2008 2009 where should I log this issue? | 20:30 |
| charlie-tca | punchedpeace: ubuntu-bug linux | 20:30 |
| JFo | punchedpeace, what model is your laptop? | 20:33 |
| punchedpeace | I have a toshiba satellite a500 | 20:38 |
| JFo | punchedpeace, did you file the bug as charlie-tca instructed? | 20:38 |
| JFo | ah | 20:38 |
| JFo | hmm, we have a lot of difficulty with Toshiba generally | 20:38 |
| JFo | once the bug is filed I will see if there is some work on that model that would be of use | 20:39 |
| punchedpeace | well I'm developper and can provide any necesari information... | 20:39 |
| JFo | I do know of a PPA that we have that may solve you, but I need to do some digging first | 20:39 |
| roadmr | Me again, bug 784484, it has logs from apport-collect and a picture of the screen with a kernel panic, is that enough for someone to look at it or should I ask for anything else from the reporter? | 20:46 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 784484 in linux (Ubuntu) "dramatic kernel panic on Ubuntu 11.04 and derivatives- when rebooted. (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/784484 | 20:46 |
| punchedpeace | ppa = ? | 20:47 |
| JFo | roadmr, that should do for now | 20:51 |
| JFo | punchedpeace, Personal Package Archive | 20:51 |
| roadmr | JFo: thanks, should I set it to New again, or just leave it as-is? | 20:51 |
| charlie-tca | roadmr: should be ready for marking triage and set the importance | 20:56 |
| charlie-tca | It has all the logs, plus the picture, and has been tested with the mainline kernel. | 20:56 |
| charlie-tca | roadmr: What importance would you set it to? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Importance | 20:57 |
| JFo | what charlie-tca said :-P | 21:01 |
| roadmr | charlie-tca: I'd say Medium, it's easily workaroundable but it is a problem with the Linux kernel and looks like a regression too, so I'd hesitate to say it's Low | 21:02 |
| roadmr | it's not critical but it sure looks annoying | 21:03 |
| * JFo gives roadmr a gold star | 21:03 | |
| JFo | that is perfect | 21:03 |
| charlie-tca | I agree. It is regression-release, and probably should be medium | 21:03 |
| roadmr | thanks guys! I can set to triaged and tag regression-release, but if you could help me setting the importance I'd be thankful | 21:04 |
| paultag | I've gotcha back | 21:05 |
| paultag | what bug? | 21:05 |
| paultag | nvmd, just read backscroll | 21:05 |
| paultag | ah, nvmd, charlie-tca got it | 21:05 |
| roadmr | Thanks charlie-tca :) | 21:06 |
| charlie-tca | roadmr: marked as triaged | 21:06 |
| charlie-tca | You are welcome | 21:06 |
| charlie-tca | roadmr: thank you very much for helping with bugs. Persistence does work! | 21:07 |
| roadmr | charlie-tca: you're welcome, I'm glad to pitch in. Thank you for your help too! | 21:08 |
| charlie-tca | no problem | 21:09 |
| charlie-tca | I am happy to help when someone needs it. It is great to have you sticking around, though. | 21:09 |
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| JoshuaL | can someone mark bug #785402 as a wishlist item? | 22:00 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 785402 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Offer a "reinstall GRUB" option on the installation ISOs (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/785402 | 22:00 |
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